US Federal Government Shutdown Thread

[Strike 6,023]

Just now, MDC said:

I’m not disputing what Tim said. I’m saying Tim saying something tasteless about Polanski years ago doesn’t mean that he himself is a pedophile. Since you bring it up 437 times per week you should try to be accurate.  

I didnt bring it up.  You did. 

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10 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

If you weren't lazy and actually looked at the results, you will see, particularly in NJ, that the Democrat outperformed the Republican by a much wider margin than just a year ago.

This was an up and down beating, from school boards in PA to Mississippi house and senate, the results were clear.  America doesn't approve of Donald Trump.

Deny it all you want, next year will be even more glorious.

Cool story “Bruh.”

Trump and MAGA was not on the ballot. Those were candidates.  

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18 minutes ago, Strike said:

The POLLS tell you that?  

Election results.   Keep denying.

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

19 minutes ago, nobody said:

I'm not a trump nuthugger and I don't see it that way at all.  

1. Strike is right.  Dems kept the shutdown in place hoping it would lead to favorable election outcomes.
2. This isn't a loss for Dems.  All they need to do is get enough extensions until they get enough votes to codify the handouts permanently.  everyone can relax.  The handouts will keep coming.

They'll need to adjust the timing of the budget bills.  Shutdowns are going to be used as a weapon every year the president isn't aligned with the senate.

Except you are trump nuthugger.  Not as bad as some of the other clowns here, but you're still hugging those nuts.

1) There is little data to suggest that the shutdown swung any of these elections.  The top issue was affordability and general dislike of Trump policies.

I don't believe there will be a vote on the ACA subsidies, don't believe there will be any extensions, but we'll see.  If Republicans had any intent of providing them, then they would have made a deal to re-open weeks ago.  Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare and the first step is to make it unaffordable.

We're also not going to see a budget bill any time soon.  Another CR will be needed in January, Dems might decide to do this again at that time, but there is no way a budget is getting passed.

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30 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

nuthugger

I believe @The General has the trademark on this term. Use some originality 

[squistion 2,538]

 

[Kopy 593]

Hasn't even been a full year yet.

God is life, faaaaanfuckintastic.

 

[Strike 6,023]

At least there is one honorable Dem:

https://x.com/SenFettermanPA/status/1987712657583911194

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Except you are trump nuthugger.  Not as bad as some of the other clowns here, but you're still hugging those nuts.

1) There is little data to suggest that the shutdown swung any of these elections.  The top issue was affordability and general dislike of Trump policies.

I don't believe there will be a vote on the ACA subsidies, don't believe there will be any extensions, but we'll see.  If Republicans had any intent of providing them, then they would have made a deal to re-open weeks ago.  Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare and the first step is to make it unaffordable.

We're also not going to see a budget bill any time soon.  Another CR will be needed in January, Dems might decide to do this again at that time, but there is no way a budget is getting passed.

Rs aren't making it unaffordable.  It IS unaffordable. 

I hope that the Rs vote to extend the subsidies, but with the understanding that the underlying costs need to be addressed.  Some basic problems:

1. We need it to be for catastrophic care only.  The underlying model -- young, healthy people will pay for old, unhealthy people -- was always wrong, and it is more wrong now that so many young people don't have jobs (another issue, probably beyond the scope of this).

2. Why are healthcare costs rising so much?  I suspect that part of it was the subsidies.  Specifically, once the government agreed to subsidize costs, the HC companies said Yahtzee, we can raise prices and people won't notice!  It's like when the Feds got into the college loan business -- the colleges had no incentive to lower costs, so they built lazy rivers and hired 100 DEI VPs.  Again, I'm speculating here as to the reasons, but the costs need to be analyzed.

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44 minutes ago, squistion said:

 

Kyle Griffin. 

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2 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Cool story “Bruh.”

Trump and MAGA was not on the ballot. Those were candidates.  

Well the VA candidate was a black immigrant from Jamaica who served in the military. That’s everything liberals hate. 

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15 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Kyle Griffin. 

It’s his go to and only go to.  It’s sad. Leave him alone. 

[Tree of Knowledge 2,129]

19 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Kyle Griffin. 

He’s not even American.  

[The Real timschochet 7,458]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Rs aren't making it unaffordable.  It IS unaffordable. 

I hope that the Rs vote to extend the subsidies, but with the understanding that the underlying costs need to be addressed.  Some basic problems:

1. We need it to be for catastrophic care only.  The underlying model -- young, healthy people will pay for old, unhealthy people -- was always wrong, and it is more wrong now that so many young people don't have jobs (another issue, probably beyond the scope of this).

2. Why are healthcare costs rising so much?  I suspect that part of it was the subsidies.  Specifically, once the government agreed to subsidize costs, the HC companies said Yahtzee, we can raise prices and people won't notice!  It's like when the Feds got into the college loan business -- the colleges had no incentive to lower costs, so they built lazy rivers and hired 100 DEI VPs.  Again, I'm speculating here as to the reasons, but the costs need to be analyzed.

I was opposed to ACA because the minute that they forced insurance companies to accept pre-existing conditions and not charge more I knew that it would eventually become unworkable. So it has. The only way to keep it functioning is to throw more money at it, all the time, which is what we’re doing. 
 

We will never go back to allowing insurance to charge more for pre-existing conditions. The public won’t stand for it. And we’re not, in the foreseeable future, going to move to single payer because Republicans will not agree. So we’re stuck with throwing our money at ACA.

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I was opposed to ACA because the minute that they forced insurance companies to accept pre-existing conditions and not charge more I knew that it would eventually become unworkable. So it has. The only way to keep it functioning is to throw more money at it, all the time, which is what we’re doing. 
 

We will never go back to allowing insurance to charge more for pre-existing conditions. The public won’t stand for it. And we’re not, in the foreseeable future, going to move to single payer because Republicans will not agree. So we’re stuck with throwing our money at ACA.

There are other options. It's not one or the other.  To you libs the answer is always FREE MONEY!!!

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19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Rs aren't making it unaffordable.  It IS unaffordable. 

I hope that the Rs vote to extend the subsidies, but with the understanding that the underlying costs need to be addressed.  Some basic problems:

1. We need it to be for catastrophic care only.  The underlying model -- young, healthy people will pay for old, unhealthy people -- was always wrong, and it is more wrong now that so many young people don't have jobs (another issue, probably beyond the scope of this).

2. Why are healthcare costs rising so much?  I suspect that part of it was the subsidies.  Specifically, once the government agreed to subsidize costs, the HC companies said Yahtzee, we can raise prices and people won't notice!  It's like when the Feds got into the college loan business -- the colleges had no incentive to lower costs, so they built lazy rivers and hired 100 DEI VPs.  Again, I'm speculating here as to the reasons, but the costs need to be analyzed.

It WAS affordable with the subsidies, without the subsidies, it won't be for many, and many will lose their insurance.  That is a bad thing for them and for the country.

You clearly don't understand how insurance works given your post. I suggest you do some research if you want to continue the conversation.

A few things, health care costs were increasing more than other costs before the ACA, but no the ACA hasn't addressed or fixed it.  No one has.  There are lots of papers on what's behind the cost of healthcare.  Instead of speculating and bringing up DEI I suggest you read up.

Bottom line, Trump tried to get rid of it during his first term, fell one vote short.  Will do the same again.  Hopefully he fails again.

At this point single payer might make the most sense.  I never liked Obamacare when it was first passed but it's helped so many people you can't just take it away now.

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

There are other options. It's not one or the other.  To you libs the answer is always FREE MONEY!!!

You’re welcome to explain what the other options are. 

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2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Except you are trump nuthugger.  Not as bad as some of the other clowns here, but you're still hugging those nuts.

1) There is little data to suggest that the shutdown swung any of these elections.  The top issue was affordability and general dislike of Trump policies.

I don't believe there will be a vote on the ACA subsidies, don't believe there will be any extensions, but we'll see.  If Republicans had any intent of providing them, then they would have made a deal to re-open weeks ago.  Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare and the first step is to make it unaffordable.

We're also not going to see a budget bill any time soon.  Another CR will be needed in January, Dems might decide to do this again at that time, but there is no way a budget is getting passed.

Not a trump nuthugger.  I just don't care about his delivery and how he shoots from the hip when he speaks and sounds like a moron.  I just want a strong economy.

I support:

• Tough stance on immigration
• Fair trade policies whether through tariffs or otherwise
• Limiting handouts

I don't support:

• Weaponizing the DOJ/FCC
• Protecting the Epstein pedo ring

I'm agnostic to:

• Giving money/weapons to Ukraine
• Giving money to Argentina
• Blowing up Venezuelan boats
• much, much more

If Trump died today, I wouldn't give two sh¡ts and if I had to take 10 steps out of my way to save his life, I don't think it would be worth my time.  Nah, I'd do it because it would probably come with some sort of windfall, but I wouldn't go near that dude unless there was something in it for me.

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Mike Johnson said, government needs to stop hurting Americans, at least we now know what trump agenda is.  

Day ten, Americans held captive by dictator trump 

[nobody 2,884]

Just now, weepaws said:

Mike Johnson said, government needs to stop hurting Americans, at least we now know what trump agenda is.  

Day ten, Americans held captive by dictator trump 

You haven't heard?  It's all but over now.  Your handouts will be coming back soon.

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4 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Mike Johnson said, government needs to stop hurting Americans, at least we now know what trump agenda is.  

Day ten, Americans held captive by dictator trump 

Jesus loves Trump.  So should you.  Amen.  

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8 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Jesus loves Trump.  So should you.  Amen.  

Jesus does not love Trump.  Trump is the antheses if everything Jesus professed.,

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32 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re welcome to explain what the other options are. 

Lower the cost of healthcare.  That has been the solution for as long as there has been a problem. And yes I've posted HOW to do that as well.  Unlike you I offer solutions.  I don't just whine and suggest throwing more money in to a black hole like you always do.  You're welcome to go back and look at the threads on this topic and you'll find great answers and posts about this topic from me 

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17 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Mike Johnson said, government needs to stop hurting Americans, at least we now know what trump agenda is.  

Day ten, Americans held captive by dictator trump 

The last administration were Satanists. You lost your way weepy

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Jesus does not love Trump.  Trump is the antheses if everything Jesus professed.,

Donald was saved by the hand of God in Butler PA

[Strike 6,023]

Just now, HellToupee said:

The last administration was Satanists. You lost your way weepy

Yup.  The last administration literally tortured puppies.  Isn't that pretty much standard Satanist ritual stuff?

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42 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It WAS affordable with the subsidies, without the subsidies, it won't be for many, and many will lose their insurance.  That is a bad thing for them and for the country.

You clearly don't understand how insurance works given your post. I suggest you do some research if you want to continue the conversation.

A few things, health care costs were increasing more than other costs before the ACA, but no the ACA hasn't addressed or fixed it.  No one has.  There are lots of papers on what's behind the cost of healthcare.  Instead of speculating and bringing up DEI I suggest you read up.

Bottom line, Trump tried to get rid of it during his first term, fell one vote short.  Will do the same again.  Hopefully he fails again.

At this point single payer might make the most sense.  I never liked Obamacare when it was first passed but it's helped so many people you can't just take it away now.

Anything is "affordable" if you subsidize it enough.  You know what would be even more affordable?  Socialism, wheeeee!!!!!

That doesn't address the underlying price increases, which was the point of the college/DEI analogy.

Your inability to grasp the English language is amazing.  I really hope it is just laziness, because I'm not sure you could function if it were an intelligence issue.

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Anything is "affordable" if you subsidize it enough.  You know what would be even more affordable?  Socialism, wheeeee!!!!!

That doesn't address the underlying price increases, which was the point of the college/DEI analogy.

Your inability to grasp the English language is amazing.  I really hope it is just laziness, because I'm not sure you could function if it were an intelligence issue.

Home prices would be hella cheaper if the gubbermint subsidized them

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6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Anything is "affordable" if you subsidize it enough.  You know what would be even more affordable?  Socialism, wheeeee!!!!!

That doesn't address the underlying price increases, which was the point of the college/DEI analogy.

Your inability to grasp the English language is amazing.  I really hope it is just laziness, because I'm not sure you could function if it were an intelligence issue.

So then you agree with me.  I love the self owns.

Again, you not being smart and not reading is the issue.  As I stated, 

health care costs were increasing more than other costs before the ACA, but no the ACA hasn't addressed or fixed it.  No one has.

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

health care costs were increasing more than other costs before the ACA, but no the ACA hasn't addressed or fixed it.  No one has.

Are you saying Obummer lied to us when he said his bill would make healthcare AFFORDABLE?  He even put that word in the title of the bill.  

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20 minutes ago, Strike said:

Lower the cost of healthcare.  That has been the solution for as long as there has been a problem. And yes I've posted HOW to do that as well.  Unlike you I offer solutions.  I don't just whine and suggest throwing more money in to a black hole like you always do.  You're welcome to go back and look at the threads on this topic and you'll find great answers and posts about this topic from me 

How do you lower the cost of healthcare and at the same time don’t allow insurance companies to charge more for pre-existing conditions? If you have convered this specific question in your previous posts I am unaware of it. 

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4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So then you agree with me.  I love the self owns.

Again, you not being smart and not reading is the issue.  As I stated, 

health care costs were increasing more than other costs before the ACA, but no the ACA hasn't addressed or fixed it.  No one has.

I put "affordable" in quotes.  It's a matter of perspective.  It's more affordable to the people getting free stuff.  It's less affordable for the taxpayers paying for it.  

Of course you gloss over your total misread of my college/DEI analogy.  I would too, if I were you.  Actually I'd probably just stop posting if I were you.

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In any discussion of health care in this country there are are 2 points that have to be accepted by all: 

1. Americans want affordable health insurance, not affordable health care. They don’t care about affordable health care or the cost of health care, high or low: they only want to pay a fixed affordable monthly sum that pays for most or all of their health care when necessary. 
 

2. Americans want everyone with pre-existing conditions to pay the exact same monthly payment as everybody else and be given the exact same care as everybody else. 
 

Unless your solution meets these two points then your solution is meaningless. I suspect that is the case with @Strike but he’s free to correct me if I am wrong. 

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18 minutes ago, Strike said:

Are you saying Obummer lied to us when he said his bill would make healthcare AFFORDABLE?  He even put that word in the title of the bill.  

Whether it was a lie, ignorance, wishful thinking, I don't know.

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54 minutes ago, nobody said:

You haven't heard?  It's all but over now.  Your handouts will be coming back soon.

It’s good to see that you know longer bring your stupidity to the big board.  Indeed 

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I put "affordable" in quotes.  It's a matter of perspective.  It's more affordable to the people getting free stuff.  It's less affordable for the taxpayers paying for it.  

Of course you gloss over your total misread of my college/DEI analogy.  I would too, if I were you.  Actually I'd probably just stop posting if I were you.

I didn't gloss over, I ignored, because it's stupid.  You're very stupid.

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51 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Jesus loves Trump.  So should you.  Amen.  

Jesus loved Hitler also, both Hitler and trump will be find, in hell fire, neither of them know Jesus.  Indeed 

[weepaws 3,350]

41 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

The last administration were Satanists. You lost your way weepy

Different color, same administrative, like all catholic, you listen to the lies of the devil.   Shame. 

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1 hour ago, weepaws said:

Jesus loved Hitler also, both Hitler and trump will be find, in hell fire, neither of them know Jesus.  Indeed 

Jesus loved Trannies and castrated boys 

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Whether it was a lie, ignorance, wishful thinking, I don't know.

Since he has admitted it wasn't about cost but access we actually know the answer.  And because of that, why should we ever trust the Dems with healthcare again?  They flat out lied to us last time