US Federal Government Shutdown Thread

[squistion 2,485]

 

[HellToupee 2,172]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

 

More lies by the biggest liar on the boards. Why wont the democrats pass the CR?

[Ron_Artest 2,157]

9 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

More lies by the biggest liar on the boards. Why wont the democrats pass the CR?

Not a lie, bozo.

Republican Sen. John Thune blasts Democrats over SNAP, shutdown https://share.google/V9xSf6CeRyE3GMaPn

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

The Democrats have won this battle in terms of public opinion…so far. But that’s not going to last IMO. Very soon it’s going to be “a plague on both your houses” with Dems being blamed as much as Republicans. 

I think the Dems should at this point consider voting for the CR. They can explain to the base that they didn’t want to see people lose their SNAP benefits. The base will be angry but it will quickly be forgotten because (1) the health care premiums will go up and the public will nearly unanimously blame the GOP (2) prices will continue to rise and the public will nearly unanimously blame the GOP (3) if Democrats do this it will immediately force Johnson to open the House which means a vote on Epstein which will cause that scandal to rise to the forefront again. 

I think the Dems have gained as much as they can out of this shutdown and should now appear to be the adults in the room. Just my take and they don’t listen to me. 

[seafoam1 3,403]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The Democrats have caused damage to this country.

Agreed. They are losers..

[squistion 2,485]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The Democrats have won this battle in terms of public opinion…so far. But that’s not going to last IMO. Very soon it’s going to be “a plague on both your houses” with Dems being blamed as much as Republicans. 

I think the Dems should at this point consider voting for the CR. They can explain to the base that they didn’t want to see people lose their SNAP benefits. The base will be angry but it will quickly be forgotten because (1) the health care premiums will go up and the public will nearly unanimously blame the GOP (2) prices will continue to rise and the public will nearly unanimously blame the GOP (3) if Democrats do this it will immediately force Johnson to open the House which means a vote on Epstein which will cause that scandal to rise to the forefront again. 

I think the Dems have gained as much as they can out of this shutdown and should now appear to be the adults in the room. Just my take and they don’t listen to me. 

Tim, you want the Democrats to do a Neville Chamberlain and capitulate hoping that Republicans will keep there promise will be willing to discuss keeping Obamacare after the government shutdown is over, but that won't happen. 

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

Just now, squistion said:

Tim, you want the Democrats to do a Neville Chamberlain and capitulate hoping that Republicans will keep there promise will be willing to discuss keeping Obamacare after the government shutdown is over, but that won't happen. 

Of course it won’t happen. But if it doesn’t it only makes the Republicans look worse. If the Dems open the government back up and the Republicans then refuse to negotiate on ACA then the Dems are blameless. Politically it’s a win win. On the other hand if the Dems continue to hold out at some point the public is going to blame them too. Do you see? I don’t believe you Chamberlain analogy is applicable in this instance. 

[seafoam1 3,403]

I hope the democrat's shutdown goes through Trump's whole term. 

[squistion 2,485]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course it won’t happen. But if it doesn’t it only makes the Republicans look worse. If the Dems open the government back up and the Republicans then refuse to negotiate on ACA then the Dems are blameless. Politically it’s a win win. On the other hand if the Dems continue to hold out at some point the public is going to blame them too. Do you see? I don’t believe you Chamberlain analogy is applicable in this instance. 

And how many folks will lose or won't be able to afford their healthcare as a result? And Chamberlain is applicable IMO because compromise or appeasement doesn't work with a dictator. 

[seafoam1 3,403]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

And how many folks will lose or won't be able to afford their healthcare as a result? And Chamberlain is applicable IMO because compromise or appeasement doesn't work with a dictator. 

Liberals should go back to work. Agreed.  

[thegeneral 3,556]

Flying to New York next week, then Mexico City, then Dallas the following weeks. You focking dopes better have the air traffic controllers and TSA working.

[Ron_Artest 2,157]

14 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Flying to New York next week, then Mexico City, then Dallas the following weeks. You focking dopes better have the air traffic controllers and TSA working.

Hopefully not ewr.  It's a sh1t show

[HellToupee 2,172]

29 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Flying to New York next week, then Mexico City, then Dallas the following weeks. You focking dopes better have the air traffic controllers and TSA working.

Good luck with that bro

[thegeneral 3,556]

4 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Good luck with that bro

I saw Newark was shutdown or very much slowed today. 

[thegeneral 3,556]

21 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Hopefully not ewr.  It's a sh1t show

Yep. Prefer it over JFK but not when these dudes aren’t getting paid.

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

And how many folks will lose or won't be able to afford their healthcare as a result?

They’re going to lose it anyhow. 

[squistion 2,485]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They’re going to lose it anyhow. 

Better to go down fighting, doing the right thing as a matter of principle. rather than throw in the towel like Chamberlian did and hope for the best. 

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Better to go down fighting, doing the right thing as a matter of principle. rather than throw in the towel like Chamberlian did and hope for the best. 

I get it but there are other factors to consider. Republicans are willing to let people go without SNAP benefits. Personally I’m not. I don’t like seeing anyone suffer. I would rather have the Dems give in, and see people fed, and deal with the fallout later on. But that’s just me. 

[HellToupee 2,172]

34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Republicans are willing to let people go without SNAP benefits.

This is on the dems. Full stop as you would say

[BrahmaBulls 914]

56 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I get it but there are other factors to consider. Republicans are willing to let people go without SNAP benefits. Personally I’m not. I don’t like seeing anyone suffer. I would rather have the Dems give in, and see people fed, and deal with the fallout later on. But that’s just me. 

Squis is party over literally anything.

[Ron_Artest 2,157]

Now that Trump has caved on China I wouldn't be shocked to see him cave on the shutdown.  Democrats will get one year of ACA subsidies with a promise* to negotiate more Medicaid funding.  Deal complete Monday morning.