TimHauck 3,361 Posted October 23 Parents refuse to abort baby whose organs were underdeveloped, baby lives for 2 hours. I’m fine with the parents choosing to do this, but by saying “every child is worthy of life,” this x poster seems to be saying she wouldn’t be okay if the parents had chose to have an abortion instead. GC pro-lifers, would you have been? Speaking of this x poster, of course she’s the same one quoted in a previous thread here about a gay couple that wanted a surrogate baby aborted, and I’d bet completely made up a claim that “they ordered life saving care be withheld.” Of course digby and probably some other GC righties fell for the fake news. https://catholicvote.org/surrogacy-horror-two-men-kill-25-week-baby-they-owned/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 2,022 Posted October 23 Baby Charlie had a better childhood than these two boys... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,361 Posted October 23 19 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said: Baby Charlie had a better childhood than these two boys... Maybe baby Charlie died from the covid vax you ghoul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 8,001 Posted October 23 Was Baby Charlie in pain throughout the pregnancy / birth? Seems like abortion would’ve been the kinder thing to do in this case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 7,161 Posted October 23 It's a tough call unless you are avidly pro-life... or pro-abortion, I guess. Obviously the live birth and several hours were extremely emotional, and changes the dynamics of things. Charlie was officially alive, was named, parents got to hold him, to see him, to etch his face into their memories. They can have a ceremony for his death where friends and family can offer their condolences and support. I think I've convinced myself this was a good thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 8,001 Posted October 23 2 minutes ago, jerryskids said: It's a tough call unless you are avidly pro-life... or pro-abortion, I guess. Obviously the live birth and several hours were extremely emotional, and changes the dynamics of things. Charlie was officially alive, was named, parents got to hold him, to see him, to etch his face into their memories. They can have a ceremony for his death where friends and family can offer their condolences and support. I think I've convinced myself this was a good thing. What if Charlie was in agony? Seems like the parents would have prolonged his pain and made him go through a traumatic childbirth for selfish reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,576 Posted October 23 seems like the parents made the decision that was theirs to make 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 7,161 Posted October 23 15 minutes ago, MDC said: What if Charlie was in agony? Seems like the parents would have prolonged his pain and made him go through a traumatic childbirth for selfish reasons. Like I said, it's a tough call. And I do support euthanasia for people in pain with terminal illnesses. My counter to this though is that babies are in pain all the time, that's why they cry. And nobody remembers that pain when they are old enough to remember things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 1,012 Posted October 23 Some are pro-life, some pro-choice.... I'm pro-abortion. It should be encouraged and subsidized. The vast majority of people getting abortions aren't valedictorians, but the scourge of society. Pay a little now, or a whole lot more later in policing, court costs, prisons, welfare, etc. And the thing about scum - they exponentially multiply. I disagree with pro-lifers about the moral issue, "All life is precious!" I disagree, but I can respect that argument. However, don't then tell me "Except in cases of rape or incest... then just abort the little bastard." That's called hypocrisy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,620 Posted October 23 10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: seems like the parents made the decision that was theirs to make This. Doesn't matter what any of us think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,361 Posted October 23 7 minutes ago, Fnord said: This. Doesn't matter what any of us think. Agree. But I’m confident the person who wrote the tweet would have a different opinion if they made a different choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,478 Posted October 23 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: Parents refuse to abort baby whose organs were underdeveloped, baby lives for 2 hours. I’m fine with the parents choosing to do this, but by saying “every child is worthy of life,” this x poster seems to be saying she wouldn’t be okay if the parents had chose to have an abortion instead. GC pro-lifers, would you have been? Speaking of this x poster, of course she’s the same one quoted in a previous thread here about a gay couple that wanted a surrogate baby aborted, and I’d bet completely made up a claim that “they ordered life saving care be withheld.” Of course digby and probably some other GC righties fell for the fake news. https://catholicvote.org/surrogacy-horror-two-men-kill-25-week-baby-they-owned/ Wish all kids dead all you want. Shows your character. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,573 Posted October 23 PRO-MURDER Protecting ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, KILLING BABIES Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 8,001 Posted October 23 57 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Like I said, it's a tough call. And I do support euthanasia for people in pain with terminal illnesses. My counter to this though is that babies are in pain all the time, that's why they cry. And nobody remembers that pain when they are old enough to remember things. I don’t think babies are in pain all the time. They cry to express discomfort like hunger or tiredness because that’s the only way they can communicate. Guess my take on this story is, Charlie may have been in pain all the time due to his physical defects. So it seems selfish to have him also go through the trauma of childbirth just so mom and dad can see his face for a few hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,389 Posted October 23 Murder is never right, abortion is taking a life, murder is never right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,417 Posted October 23 You don't understand a thing about life, so why would you even weigh in on this? Clueless poster asking questions about morality. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,417 Posted October 23 Complete ignorance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,361 Posted October 23 9 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: You don't understand a thing about life, so why would you even weigh in on this? Clueless poster asking questions about morality. LOL Who are you talking to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,417 Posted October 23 1 hour ago, TimHauck said: Who are you talking to? You Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 268 Posted October 23 3 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: seems like the parents made the decision that was theirs to make This & maybe they wanted the baby baptized. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,371 Posted October 23 Yup, parents should be able to make whatever decision they want. It's their baby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 7,161 Posted October 23 2 hours ago, MDC said: I don’t think babies are in pain all the time. They cry to express discomfort like hunger or tiredness because that’s the only way they can communicate. Guess my take on this story is, Charlie may have been in pain all the time due to his physical defects. So it seems selfish to have him also go through the trauma of childbirth just so mom and dad can see his face for a few hours. Discomfort is a level of pain. It sure seems like pain when a baby is wailing at the top of its lungs. Speaking of which, the baby in the OP post doesn't appear to be crying. And what if it had somehow lived? Stranger miracles had happened. Your answer seems like a rationalization for supporting abortion. Also, if pain is your reason, then the ability to feel pain developed in the womb, and a baby might feel pain when an abortionist sucks the brains out of its head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,361 Posted October 23 30 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: You So you’re saying your opinion is that in this scenario you would disagree with the family if they chose abortion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 8,001 Posted October 23 8 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Discomfort is a level of pain. It sure seems like pain when a baby is wailing at the top of its lungs. Speaking of which, the baby in the OP post doesn't appear to be crying. And what if it had somehow lived? Stranger miracles had happened. Your answer seems like a rationalization for supporting abortion. Also, if pain is your reason, then the ability to feel pain developed in the womb, and a baby might feel pain when an abortionist sucks the brains out of its head. I think there’s a difference between ordinary discomfort like being hungry, tired etc. and outright pain because your limbs didn’t form right. The baby in the OP’s post could be minutes form death. Just saying, if the baby is not viable abortion may have been the kinder option. Baby Charlie may have preferred a moment of shape pain followed by peace vs weeks of agony, child birth, and then slow death. If I were in that situation I’d be considering that instead of how I’d like a photograph. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,417 Posted October 23 45 minutes ago, TimHauck said: So you’re saying your opinion is that in this scenario you would disagree with the family if they chose abortion? My knowing, not opinion, is that you are very ignorant. It's amusing to see you give opinions on things despite being so ignorant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,361 Posted October 23 12 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: My knowing, not opinion, is that you are very ignorant. It's amusing to see you give opinions on things despite being so ignorant. Ok guy who thinks Jill Biden wore a panda costume for Halloween to mock child rape victims Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,478 Posted October 23 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Ok guy who thinks Jill Biden wore a panda costume for Halloween to mock child rape victims She did. That's a fact. She also called Mexicans 'tacos'. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,637 Posted October 23 My opinion is that these parents chose what was right for them. Pro-choice or pro-life, it's not my position to judge someone here. This situation is incredibly painful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 6,030 Posted October 23 How many kids, or people for that matter, have been given a diagnosis suggesting imminent death and exceeded that time frame significantly? Doctors aren't Gods who know everything. And how many parents have had special needs kids and were told that in advance - "your down syndrome kid will be lucky to live to 5 years old and will need constant attention and never be self sufficient.". Then those kids live for 20 years and while never self sufficient they live a good life and bring joy and love to all for however long they live. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,637 Posted October 23 1 minute ago, Strike said: How many kids, or people for that matter, have been given a diagnosis suggesting imminent death and exceeded that time frame significantly? Doctors aren't Gods who know everything. And how many parents have had special needs kids and were told that in advance - "your down syndrome kid will be lucky to live to 5 years old and will need constant attention and never be self sufficient.". Then those kids live for 20 years and while never self sufficient they live a good life and bring joy and love to all for however long they live. This. I had typed out the story of a friend of mine, but deleted it. My friend found out that she was pregnant, went and got a scan and they told her that the baby wasn't viable. They saw the sac, saw "something" but didn't think it was a baby. They'd recommended a D&C, or she could wait it out to see if she miscarried naturally. She scheduled the D&C for about a week later, but the morning of the procedure, she asked for another scan. They found that she did have a baby in there, had a heartbeat, etc. The baby was born 100% healthy and is now 9 months old. My BFF has a son with Downs. He's the happiest kid/adult I've ever met. I couldn't imagine not knowing him, so I am sure she feels exactly the same. And plenty of people with Downs have larger health problems; usually heart and stomach issues, so I'd wager that people suggest aborting in those situations as well. Doctors make mistakes. Fock, even my OWN doctor told me for MONTHS that my son was head down and ready to go. Turns out he'd actually been breech for awhile and I needed a C-section. (I am not a big person and he was a pretty decent sized baby, so it's likely I wouldn't have been able to have natural CB anyways). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,361 Posted October 23 22 minutes ago, Strike said: How many kids, or people for that matter, have been given a diagnosis suggesting imminent death and exceeded that time frame significantly? Doctors aren't Gods who know everything. And how many parents have had special needs kids and were told that in advance - "your down syndrome kid will be lucky to live to 5 years old and will need constant attention and never be self sufficient.". Then those kids live for 20 years and while never self sufficient they live a good life and bring joy and love to all for however long they live. Yes these are fair reasons to make the choice they did. Would you have disagreed if they made the choice to have an abortion instead? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 6,030 Posted October 23 12 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Yes these are fair reasons to make the choice they did. Would you have disagreed if they made the choice to have an abortion instead? No. I am pro choice. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,478 Posted October 23 I love it that Democrats prefer aborting their kids vs. conservatives. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
