Whose fault is this accident?

[TimHauck 3,304]

@SaintsInDome2006 posted about this story in the fascism thread.

Being a centrist myself, I don’t see how anyone can watch this video and conclude that the accident is the fault of the black car.

But apparently many conservatives (including DHS…well, sort of, they said the black car “rammed” the DHS vehicle, but didn’t charge the driver) seem to think it is.  I know this guy Colin Rugg is a conservative, but in the past I’ve found him to be more reasonable than most other conservative “influencers.”  Not here though, he claims the video “appears to show” the black car “slamming into the ICE vehicle.”

Maybe the black car ideally should have stayed back further from a car doing a u-turn in the middle of the road, but if another car drives into your lane, how is that your fault?

 

 

[weepaws 3,335]

OP, I would blame your dad, I’m sure he forced himself upon your mom, and that produced the accident.  

[Ron_Artest 2,195]

It's hard to tell without a wider angle.

Either way, these people are focking monsters.

[MDC 7,874]

1 minute ago, weepaws said:

OP, I would blame your dad, I’m sure he forced himself upon your mom, and that produced the accident.  

That’s not very Christian of you.

[Maximum Overkill 2,428]

I've seen it from other angles. She was definitely the aggressor and should be charged as a Domestic Terrorist 

[weepaws 3,335]

21 minutes ago, MDC said:

That’s not very Christian of you.

No, you’re not.  

[TimHauck 3,304]

27 minutes ago, weepaws said:

OP, I would blame your dad, I’m sure he forced himself upon your mom, and that produced the accident.  

Jesus didn’t rise from the dead 

[weepaws 3,335]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Jesus didn’t rise from the dead 

Says the accident.  

[Voltaire 5,483]

39 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I've seen it from other angles. She was definitely the aggressor and should be charged as a Domestic Terrorist 

Can you link to those please so we can judge for ourselves? Thanks. Gutterboy is right that we need more angles.

[cmh6476 1,125]

I would like other angles before drawing conclusions

[Strike 6,007]

As a "centrist", @TimHauck  can form a conclusion from a video that doesn't really show anything.

[seafoam1 3,409]

59 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Jesus didn’t rise from the dead 

Link?

[seafoam1 3,409]

Timcrack is a centrist. 

[TimHauck 3,304]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

As a "centrist", @TimHauck  can form a conclusion from a video that doesn't really show anything.

It shows the SUV entering the lane of the black car.  If there are other videos I’d be glad to watch those as well, but I’m guessing Max O might just be making that up

[Strike 6,007]

Just now, TimHauck said:

It shows the SUV entering the lane of the black car.  If there are other videos I’d be glad to watch those as well, but I’m guessing Max O might just be making that up

It doesn't matter about MO.  The point is that this video is nowhere near conclusive, centrist.

[Gladiators 2,032]

42 minutes ago, Strike said:

It doesn't matter about MO.  The point is that this video is nowhere near conclusive, centrist.

100%

[TimHauck 3,304]

50 minutes ago, Strike said:

It doesn't matter about MO.  The point is that this video is nowhere near conclusive, centrist.

Did you know that DHS definitively stated that she rammed the ICE vehicle (despite not charging her)?  I guess you’re making progress if you’re not drawing any conclusions, usually you just believe whatever DHS says 100%.

[Voltaire 5,483]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did you know that DHS definitively stated that she rammed the ICE vehicle (despite not charging her)?  I guess you’re making progress if you’re not drawing any conclusions, usually you just believe whatever DHS says 100%.

That's probably the truth, but all I'm working off of is the video you provided. The people present don't come across as particularly reliable witnesses, but props to them for attempting to video the incident to the best of their ability.

[Strike 6,007]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did you know that DHS definitively stated that she rammed the ICE vehicle (despite not charging her)?  I guess you’re making progress if you’re not drawing any conclusions, usually you just believe whatever DHS says 100%.

This is 100% untrue, CENTRIST!!!!

[TimHauck 3,304]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

This is 100% untrue, CENTRIST!!!!

No it’s not.  Remember when you thought a 70-something year old Jewish grandma pushed an ICE agent?

lol

[Strike 6,007]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

That's probably the truth, but all I'm working off of is the video you provided. The people present don't come across as particularly reliable witnesses, but props to them for attempting to video the incident to the best of their ability.

You do realize that activists follow ICE around and harass them.  That's why they wear masks.  So, it's just as likely that these are all activists and one of them rammed the ICE vehicle and the rest of them video taped it and shouted at ICE to try to make them look like the bad guys.  Note to the "centrist":  I'm not saying that's what happened.  I'm throwing out a plausible scenario that activists could deploy to try to make ICE look bad.  That's why your video is worthless.  It doesn't show the entirety of what happened. 

[Strike 6,007]

Just now, TimHauck said:

No it’s not.  Remember when you thought a 70-something year old Jewish grandma pushed an ICE agent?

lol

No, but I'm sure you bookmarked it, centrist!!!!  

[Voltaire 5,483]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

You do realize that activists follow ICE around and harass them.  That's why they wear masks.  So, it's just as likely that these are all activists and one of them rammed the ICE vehicle and the rest of them video taped it and shouted at ICE to try to make them look like the bad guys.  Note to the "centrist":  I'm not saying that's what happened.  I'm throwing out a plausible scenario that activists could deploy to try to make ICE look bad.  That's why your video is worthless.  It doesn't show the entirety of what happened. 

Yes and that's the presumption I'm working off of: the video is being provided by protestors. It occurs to me that any other angles of it would likely have to come from other protestors, so anything exculpatory would not be shared.

[TimHauck 3,304]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

No, but I'm sure you bookmarked it, centrist!!!!  

I guess it makes it easy to say you’re hardly ever wrong if you just “forget” every time you are 

[Strike 6,007]

Just now, TimHauck said:

I guess it makes it easy to say you’re hardly ever wrong if you just “forget” every time you are 

Ok

[BunnysBastatrds 2,589]

 As an insurance adjuster for twenty five years, accident scene investigator, I would have to read any and all police’s reports, listen to recorded statements, and scope the myself or trust the witnessess involved. 

[jonnyutah 538]

It is pretty obvious when you see the longer video it is clearly her fault. 

[jonnyutah 538]

https://x.com/KimKatieUSA/status/1985525284695916803

[jonnyutah 538]

Just now, jonnyutah said:

https://x.com/KimKatieUSA/status/1985525284695916803

This video shows the whole "she was just going straight in the lane" narrative is garbage.

She drove around the car in front of her and went on the wrong side of the road then jammed on it to end up where she was when the cars collided. 

[TimHauck 3,304]

7 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

This video shows the whole "she was just going straight in the lane" narrative is garbage.

She drove around the car in front of her and went on the wrong side of the road then jammed on it to end up where she was when the cars collided. 

The car in front of her had its door open, didn’t look like it was going anywhere so the Mercedes was likely trying to go around it.   A bunch of time passed between when it can be seen on the wrong side and when the accident happened, it was absolutely “going straight in the lane” at the time of the accident.

Interesting that you call out her being on the wrong side of the road (before any accident occurred) though and not DHS for being on the wrong side of the road leading into the accident. 

Would you at least say it was an accident and not a “ramming” as DHS claims?

[jonnyutah 538]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The car in front of her had its door open, didn’t look like it was going anywhere so the Mercedes was likely trying to go around it.   A bunch of time passed between when it can be seen on the wrong side and when the accident happened, it was absolutely “going straight in the lane” at the time of the accident.

Interesting that you call out her being on the wrong side of the road (before any accident occcirree) though and not DHS for being on the wrong side of the road leading into the accident. 

Would you at least say it was an accident and not a “ramming” as DHS claims?

Only an idiot would try and argue that police and official vehicles should always only stay in standard traffic lanes. Omg they werent in their lane! Omg they were in the intersection!! Thats my lane! Lol. 

You can clearly see they are blocking traffic intentionally as they are perp walking somebody right there. Law enforcement blocks traffic all the time for many many reasons. Once they get the guy in the red vehicle, the vehicle blocking traffic goes to leave the scene by making a perfectly legal turn for an official vehicle that is now pulling away after blocking traffic. 

The crazy lady then drove around the vehicle in front of her, came from the wrong side of the road and is clearly driving way too fast for the situation. 

At best she jammed on it to get ahead of the government vehicle that has the right of way and she hit the government vehicle. At worst she is one of these idiots that tails ICE around yelling thats ice, thats ice!! to warn people and she hit them. 

 

[jonnyutah 538]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Interesting that you call out her being on the wrong side of the road (before any accident occcirree) though and not DHS for being on the wrong side of the road leading into the accident

This paragraph is so delulu. 

It needs its own mention because of how absolutely insane it is. 

Should I call out ambulances that drive in the shoulder? Should I call out fire trucks that go through red lights? Should I call out police for speeding? For making a uturn where there is a no uturn sign? What about traffic cops that wave people through stop signs after baseball games? 

 

[Kopy 590]

8 hours ago, BunnysBastatrds said:

 As an insurance adjuster for twenty five years, accident scene investigator, I would have to read any and all police’s reports, listen to recorded statements, and scope the myself or trust the witnessess involved. 

But what does the emu have to say.

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,428]

10 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

This video shows the whole "she was just going straight in the lane" narrative is garbage.

She drove around the car in front of her and went on the wrong side of the road then jammed on it to end up where she was when the cars collided. 

Impeding and assault with intent on a Federal Officer 

@TimHauck

[TimHauck 3,304]

9 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

This paragraph is so delulu. 

It needs its own mention because of how absolutely insane it is. 

Should I call out ambulances that drive in the shoulder? Should I call out fire trucks that go through red lights? Should I call out police for speeding? For making a uturn where there is a no uturn sign? What about traffic cops that wave people through stop signs after baseball games? 

 

One obvious difference with those examples is that ambulances, fire trucks and police cars should have their emergency lights on when doing those things (I believe police have gotten in trouble for causing accidents if they don’t have their lights on).

I’ll admit it was stupid of her to try to pass the silver SUV and maybe she was trying to follow the red van, but I still don’t see how that would make the accident her fault.  Also keep in mind she was released without charges.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,589]

6 hours ago, Kopy said:

But what does the emu have to say.

 

 I FAWKING HATE THOSE COMMERCIALS!!!

[Kopy 590]

[jerryskids 7,072]

16 hours ago, TimHauck said:

The car in front of her had its door open, didn’t look like it was going anywhere so the Mercedes was likely trying to go around it.   A bunch of time passed between when it can be seen on the wrong side and when the accident happened, it was absolutely “going straight in the lane” at the time of the accident.

Interesting that you call out her being on the wrong side of the road (before any accident occurred) though and not DHS for being on the wrong side of the road leading into the accident. 

Would you at least say it was an accident and not a “ramming” as DHS claims?

It looks to me like the ICE car was trying to cut her off and she tried to accelerate past it before it happened.

She clearly is uncooperative after the accident.