The Religion of Peace Strikes Again-Australian Ediition

[jerryskids 7,189]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

Almost all refugees are impoverished when they arrive. That is not unique to Muslims.

As for the “tribal” approach to politics, that is neither inherent in Islam nor even common among most Muslims. Tends to be more Sunni vs Shi’a, not local tribes. Kind of like Protestant v Catholic (more on that to follow).

So you have impoverished refugees, a problem as old as the problem of refugees themselves. You have a tribal view of politics specific to a group of people from a fairly small and underdeveloped nation.

Neither issue appears to have anything to do with the refugees’ religion.

Staying on the topic of religion: perhaps the most famous (infamous?) group of immigrants in U.S. history: the Irish of the 1840s had almost 100% poverty and were hated by many Americans at the time. Those opposing their immigration claimed that their religion would never be compatible with America - their religion? Catholicism.

https://www.history.com/articles/when-america-despised-the-irish-the-19th-centurys-refugee-crisis

The faith of refugees isn’t the real issue, but it’s always the first thing people focus on. Maybe it’s time to reflect on history a bit? Pretty sure Catholicism turned out to be “compatible” with American culture. 

And as for tribal politics? That appears to be an example of something Somalis have in common with Americans. I’ve never seen our politics more tribal than they are now. Looks like US politics should be very familiar to them.

And one final historical note: the biggest influx of Muslims into America was those brought here by slave traders. Islam has been in America before it was even a country.

So, you can't think of any positives, just that migrants are poor.  And your attempt at specifics is a whatabout the Irish?  So the Irish came here, didn't work, didn't learn English, sat around and collected welfare at an 80% clip, all while committing large scale fraud on the system?  And the Irish came from an environment of Sharia law?  I learned a lot today.   

It's not the religion per se, it's the culture that evolved around it and which exhibits itself when there are concentrations of Muslims.

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,013]

That Muslim who lit those holocaust survivors on fire in Colorado did it because of poverty. 

[TimHauck 3,395]

15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is one of the dumbest things ever said here. And we have one guy that said football helmets are made of metal. 

You must have missed the post where someone said Anthony Anderson was as bad as Nick Fuentes

[TimHauck 3,395]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So the Irish came here, didn't work, didn't learn English, sat around and collected welfare at an 80% clip, all while committing large scale fraud on the system?  

Now do Hasidics

[dogcows 1,197]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, you can't think of any positives, just that migrants are poor.  And your attempt at specifics is a whatabout the Irish?  So the Irish came here, didn't work, didn't learn English, sat around and collected welfare at an 80% clip, all while committing large scale fraud on the system?  And the Irish came from an environment of Sharia law?  I learned a lot today.   

It's not the religion per se, it's the culture that evolved around it and which exhibits itself when there are concentrations of Muslims.

You claimed Muslims are the problem. I’m pointing out that refugees are in a bad spot when they flee violence or famine. It takes time for them to adjust. But as you can see today, Irish Catholics are fully integrated members of American society. Same with many other groups of refugees from the past. Your prejudice against Muslims is the same as the anti-Catholic prejudice of the 1800s.

And Islam is practiced by people from a variety of different cultures, as one might expect with a billion people following the religion. Again, that is why it’s wildly prejudicial to claim that a “concentration of Muslims” is a problem.

[Mark Davis 435]

4 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I think a basic, common misconception surrounds what is western culture. This is western culture, or at least it’s American culture. It’s baked in. 

Which part of that is American/Western culture?  I admit I don't follow.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,013]

Catholics weren’t yelling death to America like the Muslims in Dearborn were. 

[jerryskids 7,189]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

You claimed Muslims are the problem. I’m pointing out that refugees are in a bad spot when they flee violence or famine. It takes time for them to adjust. But as you can see today, Irish Catholics are fully integrated members of American society. Same with many other groups of refugees from the past.

And Islam is practiced by people from a variety of different cultures, as one might expect with a billion people following the religion. Again, that is why it’s wildly prejudicial to claim that a “concentration of Muslims” is a problem.

I said concentrations of Muslims from Muslim countries/cultures, not Muslims.  Multiple times.

I point out all the differences with the Irish situation, you once again say they are the same.

You still haven't pointed out a single situation where concentrations of Muslim migrants have provided a benefit in a western society somewhere.

You should go back to calling me a proud bigot; pretending to be smart isn't working for you.   

[dogcows 1,197]

Just now, jerryskids said:

I said concentrations of Muslims from Muslim countries/cultures, not Muslims.  Multiple times.

I point out all the differences with the Irish situation, you once again say they are the same.

You still haven't pointed out a single situation where concentrations of Muslim migrants have provided a benefit in a western society somewhere.

You should go back to calling me a proud bigot; pretending to be smart isn't working for you.   

You’re great at ACTING smart, but your conclusions are brain dead.

Here’s a question for you then: did slaves benefit America?

[jerryskids 7,189]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

You’re great at ACTING smart, but your conclusions are brain dead.

Here’s a question for you then: did slaves benefit America?

Your turn; answer my points first.

[dogcows 1,197]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Your turn; answer my points first.

No

[jerryskids 7,189]

8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

No

Cool.  Thanks for the W.   

[dogcows 1,197]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Cool.  Thanks for the W.   

Yeah you’re a real winner.  You’ve successfully TRANSITIONED from your anti-trans BS to anti-Muslim BS.

[The Real timschochet 7,535]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Christian. Try again. 

So what? You still wouldn’t let him in. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,013]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So what? You still wouldn’t let him in. 

Maybe if he played for the Giants and they won a Super Bowl. 

[TimHauck 3,395]

 

[seafoam1 3,497]

39 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

So you hate illegals. 

[SaintsInDome2006 757]

3 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

Which part of that is American/Western culture?  I admit I don't follow.

Well we can start with the need for immigration being in the Declaration of Independence. We can talk about Liberté, égalité, fraternité, and the rights of man. We can talk about the founding of the Republican Party. Franklin & Jefferson to Eisenhower & Kennedy. We are a culture of liberty & defending the liberty & equality of others who also love liberty & giving them a home.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,013]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

Neither one should have been there. Send them back. Problem solved 

[Mark Davis 435]

5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Well we can start with the need for immigration being in the Declaration of Independence. We can talk about Liberté, égalité, fraternité, and the rights of man. We can talk about the founding of the Republican Party. Franklin & Jefferson to Eisenhower & Kennedy. We are a culture of liberty & defending the liberty & equality of others who also love liberty & giving them a home.

Sadly, Muslim extremists don't share in that love of liberty and want to replace culture worldwide with theirs.  It's one of the basic ideas behind ISIS for instance.  They wouldn't hold territory without some buy-in from locals, at least tacit acceptance of it.  Sadly, there are large communities worldwide willing to live under that type system, even embrace it in some cases.  There's a reason the Taliban can hold land in Afghanistan and we could only rent it with our soldiers lives.  Ultimately the population as a whole prefers to live under that system.  Blindly accepting people from these regions that you can't vet is playing Russian roulette and a game that statistically you are going to lose.  

[TimHauck 3,395]

 

[seafoam1 3,497]

5 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Well we can start with the need for immigration being in the Declaration of Independence. We can talk about Liberté, égalité, fraternité, and the rights of man. We can talk about the founding of the Republican Party. Franklin & Jefferson to Eisenhower & Kennedy. We are a culture of liberty & defending the liberty & equality of others who also love liberty & giving them a home.

You are all in on this immigration BS. 10 million people from all over the earth flooding into this country over the past 4 years is not intelligent immigratoin. It gets people killed, raped, robbed from, etc. Hurts everything this country was meant to be about. Plenty of good people from around the world get opportunity here, but this country is not, no country actually, suited to hold all the filth that exists in the world. Well, maybe the whole Middle East group of shltholes can make a case for it if people want to choose to live in hell on earth, but my point is, this country was set up to hear from the people. So no matter what anyone wrote down over 200 years ago, we will be at war with ourselves in this country in these current times until the liberals get a clue, wise up and stop thinking about expecting handouts and start taking owernership of their own lives under the laws of this nation. It's time to rid this country of the cancerous humans that make this place violent, needy, and simply whiny to no end. 

The US should learn the lesson you hear mentioned on every flight you take somewhere. "Put your own mask on before you help others put on their masks." 

The rule of this modern age here in the US should be, clean up our own filth before we allow more filth in that we have proven to not be able to handle to this point. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,424]

Psy op. It's all fake and staged. Someone just so happened to be at the beach and Israel on Oct 7? Yeah OK

At Parkland and at Brown? Yeah OK

At LA and at Brown? Yeah OK. 

[TimHauck 3,395]

2 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Psy op. It's all fake and staged. Someone just so happened to be at the beach and Israel on Oct 7? Yeah OK

At Parkland and at Brown? Yeah OK

At LA and at Brown? Yeah OK. 

Lol seek help please.

The person wasn’t actually at Parkland btw, they were at the middle school next door.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,424]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Lol seek help please.

The person wasn’t actually at Parkland btw, they were at the middle school next door.

There is so much distraction. This stuff is meant to suck your energy out. I recommend ignoring it.

[Fnord 2,634]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

You still haven't pointed out a single situation where concentrations of Muslim migrants have provided a benefit in a western society somewhere.

 

6 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

Sadly, Muslim extremists don't share in that love of liberty and want to replace culture worldwide with theirs.  It's one of the basic ideas behind ISIS for instance.  They wouldn't hold territory without some buy-in from locals, at least tacit acceptance of it.  Sadly, there are large communities worldwide willing to live under that type system, even embrace it in some cases.  There's a reason the Taliban can hold land in Afghanistan and we could only rent it with our soldiers lives.  Ultimately the population as a whole prefers to live under that system.  Blindly accepting people from these regions that you can't vet is playing Russian roulette and a game that statistically you are going to lose.  

I understand where you are coming from, but how about one of you produce a link showing us that every single Muslim immigrant is a violent adherent to Sharia law with no plans to assimilate, refuses to be a productive member of society, and will ultimately destroy our nation from within? Oh, you can't?

Yeah, I know that's snarky AF, but this whole argument is absurd. YES, some of these immigrants are bad people with bad intentions committing crimes. Most are not. I live in a community with many of these people, I work with them. I'm very fond of some of them, they work hard, they're pleasant people, they have families to support, and they have, in fact, assimilated.

TO BE VERY CLEAR: I do NOT think you two are bigots, but what you're saying here is highly bigoted. Most of these people experienced violence and despair in their home countries that we cannot fathom as Americans. This nation was created for them. Right down to the freedom to practice the religion of their choice. I don't expect stupid focks like HT or seafoam to understand it. But you're better than them.

[seafoam1 3,497]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

 

I understand where you are coming from, but how about one of you produce a link showing us that every single Muslim immigrant is a violent adherent to Sharia law with no plans to assimilate, refuses to be a productive member of society, and will ultimately destroy our nation from within? Oh, you can't?

Yeah, I know that's snarky AF, but this whole argument is absurd. YES, some of these immigrants are bad people with bad intentions committing crimes. Most are not. I live in a community with many of these people, I work with them. I'm very fond of some of them, they work hard, they're pleasant people, they have families to support, and they have, in fact, assimilated.

TO BE VERY CLEAR: I do NOT think you two are bigots, but what you're saying here is highly bigoted. Most of these people experienced violence and despair in their home countries that we cannot fathom as Americans. This nation was created for them. Right down to the freedom to practice the religion of their choice. I don't expect stupid focks like HT or seafoam to understand it. But you're better than them.

Liberals are so stupid. 

[TimHauck 3,395]

33 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 

I understand where you are coming from, but how about one of you produce a link showing us that every single Muslim immigrant is a violent adherent to Sharia law with no plans to assimilate, refuses to be a productive member of society, and will ultimately destroy our nation from within? Oh, you can't?

Yeah, I know that's snarky AF, but this whole argument is absurd. YES, some of these immigrants are bad people with bad intentions committing crimes. Most are not. I live in a community with many of these people, I work with them. I'm very fond of some of them, they work hard, they're pleasant people, they have families to support, and they have, in fact, assimilated.

TO BE VERY CLEAR: I do NOT think you two are bigots, but what you're saying here is highly bigoted. Most of these people experienced violence and despair in their home countries that we cannot fathom as Americans. This nation was created for them. Right down to the freedom to practice the religion of their choice. I don't expect stupid focks like HT or seafoam to understand it. But you're better than them.

Jerry thinks the mayor of NYC that speaks perfect English, wears full American clothing, and had the support of many Jews would institute sharia law if he could.  Jerry is not better than them.

[Mike Hunt 317]

12 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Here’s my experience with Arabs personally:

- Had a friend from Carville LA, turns out for some bizarre reason Lebanese moved there en masse decades years ago, kind of like Dearborn MI. Great guy, banker, wife is in marketing.

- Female, Lebanese, absolutely knock down gorgeous, worked wuth her, she moved away.

- Guy I went to school with, Syrian, had a friend I knew who was Greek & they’d say the funniest, foulest insults to each other. His dad was a cab driver in Damascus.

- 2 more Arab/muslim guys I know from working in my field, top notch professionals.

- A couple restaurants nearby run by great Arab guys, both families are involved, one doesn’t serve alcohol.

That’s my experience with assimilation.

Mine is the same, but also they were openly racist toward blacks. Much more than any white people I associated with.

[Mr Fantasy 140]

This Australian pol knows the problem 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,013]

Where did all those Christian countries in the Middle East go? Doesn’t seem to be any left. 

[jerryskids 7,189]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Jerry thinks the mayor of NYC that speaks perfect English, wears full American clothing, and had the support of many Jews would institute sharia law if he could.  Jerry is not better than them.

I KNOW that the mayor of NYC formed a SJP chapter in college.  I KNOW that SJP supports Hamas.  I KNOW that Hamas' charter is the death of all Jews.  I KNOW that Mamdani refuses to condemn globalizing the intifada; we saw some of that globalization in Australia this past weekend.  I KNOW that Mamdani wants to arrest the president of Israel.  I KNOW that Mamdani was born in a sharia country and raised by parents who were born and raised in that country.

You have your Leftie feelz.

I don't think he's going to institute sharia law whole cloth, that would be stupid.  But if some Muslim sections of NYC want to handle some situations the way they best see fit... I'm not convinced that Mamdani would oppose that.  That's my opinion, based on the facts I just educated you on.  HTH.

[TimHauck 3,395]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I KNOW that the mayor of NYC formed a SJP chapter in college.  I KNOW that SJP supports Hamas.  I KNOW that Hamas' charter is the death of all Jews.  I KNOW that Mamdani refuses to condemn globalizing the intifada; we saw some of that globalization in Australia this past weekend.  I KNOW that Mamdani wants to arrest the president of Israel.  I KNOW that Mamdani was born in a sharia country and raised by parents who were born and raised in that country.

You have your Leftie feelz.

I don't think he's going to institute sharia law whole cloth, that would be stupid.  But if some Muslim sections of NYC want to handle some situations the way they best see fit... I'm not convinced that Mamdani would oppose that.  That's my opinion, based on the facts I just educated you on.  HTH.

Lol.  See what I mean @Fnord? Jerry isn’t better than peefoam 

[jerryskids 7,189]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

 

I understand where you are coming from, but how about one of you produce a link showing us that every single Muslim immigrant is a violent adherent to Sharia law with no plans to assimilate, refuses to be a productive member of society, and will ultimately destroy our nation from within? Oh, you can't?

Yeah, I know that's snarky AF, but this whole argument is absurd. YES, some of these immigrants are bad people with bad intentions committing crimes. Most are not. I live in a community with many of these people, I work with them. I'm very fond of some of them, they work hard, they're pleasant people, they have families to support, and they have, in fact, assimilated.

TO BE VERY CLEAR: I do NOT think you two are bigots, but what you're saying here is highly bigoted. Most of these people experienced violence and despair in their home countries that we cannot fathom as Americans. This nation was created for them. Right down to the freedom to practice the religion of their choice. I don't expect stupid focks like HT or seafoam to understand it. But you're better than them.

Fnord, I consider you smart so I'm going to try to word this carefully.  The bolded shows an utter and complete lack of comprehension of what I've repeatedly said, including the very post you quoted, where I specifically said "concentration of Muslims."  The request in the bolded to show "every single Muslim" is silly, TimHauck-level stuff.  I expect better from you.   

[jerryskids 7,189]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Lol.  See what I mean @Fnord? Jerry isn’t better than peefoam 

Lolol$#!!#$$#@  

Dispute the facts in my post.

[TimHauck 3,395]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I KNOW that the mayor of NYC formed a SJP chapter in college.  I KNOW that SJP supports Hamas.  I KNOW that Hamas' charter is the death of all Jews.  I KNOW that Mamdani refuses to condemn globalizing the intifada; we saw some of that globalization in Australia this past weekend.  I KNOW that Mamdani wants to arrest the president of Israel.  I KNOW that Mamdani was born in a sharia country and raised by parents who were born and raised in that country.

You have your Leftie feelz.

I don't think he's going to institute sharia law whole cloth, that would be stupid.  But if some Muslim sections of NYC want to handle some situations the way they best see fit... I'm not convinced that Mamdani would oppose that.  That's my opinion, based on the facts I just educated you on.  HTH.

Link to SJP as an organization supporting Hamas?  Not just a chapter or two.   And not some distant “link” from where they’ve received funds (speaking of which, did I miss you calling out Trump for pardoning CZ who helped Hamas launder money?).  And of course most likely any “support” for Hamas from SJP was in reference to 10/7.  Surely you’re not accusing Mamdani of agreeing with something different chapters of a club he was in said 10+ years after he was in said club are you?  

Mamdani specifically says he doesn’t use the phrase globalize the intifada.

Wanting to arrest the President of Israel has nothing to do with Jews.

Tyler Robinson was raised in MAGA country by MAGA parents, but I’m not accusing him of having the same beliefs as his parents.

I didn’t say you think he actually is going to try to institute sharia law, I said you think he would if he could.  Thanks for confirming.

You are not a serious poster.

[Meglamaniac 809]

Congrats Jerry, you got the TimHack trifecta

Show me a link, but it has to be a link I approve of

Tyler Robinson

Thanks for confirming

 

LOL

[Hardcore troubadour 16,013]

So, we are to believe that Christians are committing acts of terror and killing people at the same rate as Muslims, or kinda close? 

[dogcows 1,197]

48 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Fnord, I consider you smart so I'm going to try to word this carefully.  The bolded shows an utter and complete lack of comprehension of what I've repeatedly said, including the very post you quoted, where I specifically said "concentration of Muslims."  The request in the bolded to show "every single Muslim" is silly, TimHauck-level stuff.  I expect better from you.   

I think you should be concerned about using terms like “concentration of Muslims.” Replace Muslims with Jews in your statements and now you are basically repeating the words of Nazis. 

Your claim that groups of Muslims never contribute anything to western society is absolutely farcical. I brought up slavery because slaves built this country and a large number of them were Muslims. And that’s just the earliest and most obvious example.

A large number of top doctors and scientists in the U.S. are Muslims.

Muslims were a big part of the civil rights movement in America.

Cities like Dearborn MI with large Muslim communities have seen an improved economy.

Muslims have higher levels of education than the average in the U.S. and a higher percentage of them start small businesses than the average.

I could go on. Maybe you will educate yourself or maybe you’ll just keep “winning” the fight against opening your mind. If you decide otherwise, visit Chicago or northern VA or other areas with a sizable Muslim population. You could see economic growth, a lot of professionals and academics, and even try some new cuisine.

[TimHauck 3,395]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I think you should be concerned about using terms like “concentration of Muslims.” Replace Muslims with Jews in your statements and now you are basically repeating the words of Nazis. 

Your claim that groups of Muslims never contribute anything to western society is absolutely farcical. I brought up slavery because slaves built this country and a large number of them were Muslims.

In b4 “wHy DiDn’T tHeY bUiLd AfRiCa?!??”