The enhanced ACA subsidies will expire at the end of December; premiums will double for millions of Americans

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

Surprised there’s not a thread about this. It’s going to be second only to inflation in the minds of most people who will vote next November. 
 

Republicans argue that the subsidies, established during Covid, were never meant to be permanent, that there is a ton of corruption, that Obamacare is unsustainable anyhow, that there has got to be a better alternative. And…they’re right about all of it. But they don’t have a good alternative. Personally I don’t see a better alternative for the time being than just throwing money at Obamacare and extending the subsidies indefinitely. Maybe they will. But it looks unlikely and if they don’t, they’re going to get creamed. 

[seafoam1 3,499]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Surprised there’s not a thread about this. It’s going to be second only to inflation in the minds of most people who will vote next November. 
 

Republicans argue that the subsidies, established during Covid, were never meant to be permanent, that there is a ton of corruption, that Obamacare is unsustainable anyhow, that there has got to be a better alternative. And…they’re right about all of it. But they don’t have a good alternative. Personally I don’t see a better alternative for the time being than just throwing money at Obamacare and extending the subsidies indefinitely. Maybe they will. But it looks unlikely and if they don’t, they’re going to get creamed. 

Cool. I'll vote Republican. 

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1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Cool. I'll vote Republican. 

So you didn’t vote for trump ? 

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

From what I’m reading no state will be hurt worse than Florida. 

[easilyscan 1,063]

I think the title of the thread is a little bit misleading. For anyone who hasn't had any experience with Obamacare (the affordable care act) subsidies are still there, just not the enhanced subsidies that were added during Covid. 

 

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47 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

I think the title of the thread is a little bit misleading. For anyone who hasn't had any experience with Obamacare (the affordable care act) subsidies are still there, just not the enhanced subsidies that were added during Covid. 

 

I don’t think it’s misleading because I explained things in the opening post. But in any event I will change it. 

[easilyscan 1,063]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think it’s misleading because I explained things in the opening post. But in any event I will change it. 

Fair enough. 

[edjr 7,029]

USA has 340 million people. I am okay with a few million having their premiums doubled. My car insurance has doubled, my real estate taxes have doubled (2 properties) Life sucks get a helmet

[Hardcore troubadour 16,017]

4 minutes ago, edjr said:

USA has 340 million people. I am okay with a few million having their premiums doubled. My car insurance has doubled, my real estate taxes have doubled (2 properties) Life sucks get a helmet

Yup. My home insurance and property/ school taxes are up  by 7k in 7 years. None of the school or town/county employees are on Obamacare. I’m doing my part, get out of my pockets. 

[Kopy 596]

Romneycare was a failure. Yet the King said my Obamacare will be the answer. He had millions fall for it.

But hey. He is a great public speaker.

 

[edjr 7,029]

16 minutes ago, Kopy said:

Romneycare was a failure. Yet the King said my Obamacare will be the answer. He had millions fall for it.

But hey. He is a great public speaker.

 

I live in Taxachusetts. Romney care has been an unmitigated disaster. Make people that don't have insurance, pay a penalty when filing their taxes. Well done

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

USA has 340 million people. I am okay with a few million having their premiums doubled. My car insurance has doubled, my real estate taxes have doubled (2 properties) Life sucks get a helmet

It’s around 24 million people per what I’m reading. Perhaps that’s your idea of a “few million”. But a lot of them will be small business owners so I imagine there will be much related fallout.   

You might also want to consider that there is some relationship between the doubling of your car insurance and real estate taxes and the politicians you have chosen to support. 

[edjr 7,029]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s around 24 million people per what I’m reading. Perhaps that’s your idea of a “few million”. But a lot of them will be small business owners so I imagine there will be much related fallout.   

You might also want to consider that there is some relationship between the doubling of your car insurance and real estate taxes and the politicians you have chosen to support. 

Yeah. Like the 50 million that showed up for hate america day

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

I live in Taxachusetts. Romney care has been an unmitigated disaster. Make people that don't have insurance, pay a penalty when filing their taxes. Well done

It significantly increased the amount of healthcare insurance among poorer people and reduced mortality rates among them. These are good things, no? 

[edjr 7,029]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It significantly increased the amount of healthcare insurance among poorer people and reduced mortality rates among them. These are good things, no? 

Stop talking and pony up. Be a man. you care so much. Help them out.

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

Yeah. Like the 50 million that showed up for hate america day

The No Kings rally was extremely patriotic. At the event I took part in there were American flags everywhere. Nationwide there were about 7 million people; not sure where the 50 million number came from. But it was the largest single day protest in our history. 

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

Stop talking and pony up. Be a man. you care so much. Help them out.

I do. What’s your point? 

[Mr Fantasy 143]

Why can’t I have “an enhanced subsidy “ from the taxpayers 

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

Just now, Mr Fantasy said:

Why can’t I have “an enhanced subsidy “ from the taxpayers 

You do. You have tons of them. 

[edjr 7,029]

More Tim lies. 

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

More Tim lies. 

About what? Please be specific. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,017]

24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It significantly increased the amount of healthcare insurance among poorer people and reduced mortality rates among them. These are good things, no? 

Are you kidding me? How uneducated are you? You really think poor people didn’t have healthcare before Romney and Obama got involved? There were plenty of Dr.s offices and clinics in the hood before. Just stop. 

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

Republican moderates in the Senate are working very hard on a last minute extension of the extended subsidies for two years in exchange for financial limits and measures to reduce corruption. But there are a lot of problems with getting this agreed to, one of the main ones being abortion. Republicans want insurance for that removed from any coverage. That’s a nonstarter for Democrats. And the moderate Republicans need Democrats to vote for this because many conservative Republicans won’t. So this compromise will probably fail. 

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Are you kidding me? How uneducated are you? You really think poor people didn’t have healthcare before Romney and Obama got involved? There were plenty of Dr.s offices and clinics in the hood before. Just stop. 

I’m simply offering the facts as reported. There are plenty of articles out there about the effects of Romneycare both good and bad. Feel free to explore them. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,017]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m simply offering the facts as reported. There are plenty of articles out there about the effects of Romneycare both good and bad. Feel free to explore them. 

No, no need. I actually know people on Obamacare that have to pay for it. They hate it and wish they had their old plan. The ones getting it for free like it though. 

[edjr 7,029]

I know a couple that refuses to get married. They have 4 kids and the mom is a bartender and doesn't claim enough to get her over the free healthcare threshold. She makes WAY more the limit. The mom and kids get free healthcare and the dad gets his through his work. That is how you work the system

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No, no need. I actually know people on Obamacare that have to pay for it. They hate it and wish they had their old plan. The ones getting it for free like it though. 

I was referring to Romneycare. 

But you’re right, plenty of people hate Obamacare. The majority of Americans, per polling, seem to like it. I’m not one of them. I opposed it. 

Even so, we have it now and IMO to get rid of it would make things even worse. The key to Obamacare is that people don’t have to pay more for pre-existing conditions. Once we as a nation decided to do that, we essentially made private healthcare insurance untenable. The only viable solution, short of full socialized medicine, is a system like Obamacare with all of its problems, that we’re going to have to keep throwing money at. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,017]

9 minutes ago, edjr said:

I know a couple that refuses to get married. They have 4 kids and the mom is a bartender and doesn't claim enough to get her over the free healthcare threshold. She makes WAY more the limit. The mom and kids get free healthcare and the dad gets his through his work. That is how you work the system

Yup. I know a guy that won’t let his wife work more than 10 hours a week because it will screw up their Obamacare.  

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

12 minutes ago, edjr said:

I know a couple that refuses to get married. They have 4 kids and the mom is a bartender and doesn't claim enough to get her over the free healthcare threshold. She makes WAY more the limit. The mom and kids get free healthcare and the dad gets his through his work. That is how you work the system

Obamacare, like all government programs, are an invitation for the unscrupulous to be dishonest. 

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31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Republican moderates in the Senate are working very hard on a last minute extension of the extended subsidies for two years in exchange for financial limits and measures to reduce corruption. But there are a lot of problems with getting this agreed to, one of the main ones being abortion. Republicans want insurance for that removed from any coverage. That’s a nonstarter for Democrats. And the moderate Republicans need Democrats to vote for this because many conservative Republicans won’t. So this compromise will probably fail. 

Lawmakers in the Democratic party are as incompetent as it gets.

If you get the 2 year extension on subsidies in exchange for exclusions on abortion, you take that deal 100 out of 100 times.

Dopes.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,017]

Let’s not forget that these subsidies go to the insurers. Should make the stock tick up, bonuses for the fat cats.  I wonder when the last time was they didn’t get one? 

[JuneJuly 214]

Dont let the reporting fool you.  The premiums that double are for high income households who lose access to all subsidies.  People with low income will see some increase, but, not even close to double.  And it's more correct to say they revert back to pre-covid levels, you know, since covid is over with.   

[edjr 7,029]

1 minute ago, JuneJuly said:

Dont let the reporting fool you.  The premiums that double are for high income households who loose access to all subsidies.  People with low income will see some increase, but, not even close to double.  And it's more correct to say they revert back to pre-covid levels, you know, since covid is overwith.   

JuneJuly. is that like 6-7? 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,017]

11 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

Dont let the reporting fool you.  The premiums that double are for high income households who loose access to all subsidies.  People with low income will see some increase, but, not even close to double.  And it's more correct to say they revert back to pre-covid levels, you know, since covid is over with.   

Great post. The ignorants like Gutterboy will continue to lie though. 

[SaintsInDome2006 763]

Obama with the poison pill a decade later is pretty amusing. 

[The Real timschochet 7,541]

55 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

Dont let the reporting fool you.  The premiums that double are for high income households who lose access to all subsidies.  People with low income will see some increase, but, not even close to double.  And it's more correct to say they revert back to pre-covid levels, you know, since covid is over with.   

Even if the reporting is inaccurate (and I have no idea if this is the case) the reaction of Republican politicians in swing districts certainly is not. In a word they are panicking (thats the word THEY are using not me.) 

If you’re right then this won’t have much of an impact on the upcoming elections. But it sure sounds like it will. 

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59 minutes ago, edjr said:

JuneJuly. is that like 6-7? 

Worse. Far, far worse.

[edjr 7,029]

I must confess. Since someone here shared a picture of Tim. I can't stop laughing everytime I see him post. 

He and ~stick are twins and look exactly like I would have thought

[JuneJuly 214]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Even if the reporting is inaccurate (and I have no idea if this is the case) the reaction of Republican politicians in swing districts certainly is not. In a word they are panicking (thats the word THEY are using not me.) 

If you’re right then this won’t have much of an impact on the upcoming elections. But it sure sounds like it will. 

Might want to educate yourself instead of posting nonsense. Anyone can check prices on the marketplace.  

[Fnord 2,635]

4 hours ago, edjr said:

I know a couple that refuses to get married. They have 4 kids and the mom is a bartender and doesn't claim enough to get her over the free healthcare threshold. She makes WAY more the limit. The mom and kids get free healthcare and the dad gets his through his work. That is how you work the system

Is this a good time for the game of Guess dey color?

This crap was rampant in NorCal (and the vast majority of folks in the area I lived in vote R, for what it's worth). 75% of the folks seen at the clinic I worked at were on Medi-Cal. I know for absolute fact that a bare minimum of 25% of them were making large amounts on the side, either as laborers or pot growers/harvesters/clippers. To the point where I knew multiple people that were likely worth well into 7 figures that were getting free medical care. That pissed me off.

But hey, at least their weed was good. And CHEAP!