House passes bill criminalizing gender-affirming care for minors

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

Well, yes, not until Trump and the MAGA folks are out of power. In the meantime, transgender minors will not be able to receive any of the gender affirming care that they, their parents and their doctors feel they need.

Starting in 2027 we’re going to have a Democratic majority in House and perhaps Senate. Then in 2029 we’re going to have a Democratic President as well. I believe it will be the strongest Democratic majority in this country since 1933. 
 

It won’t last; Dems will find a way to fock it all up of course. It’s not like they have better long term solutions to our problems than Republicans do. But maybe at least they can undo some of the damage of the last decade. 

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2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

See, that goes under the assumption that parents always do the right thing by their kids.  And they don't.   So no.  I am not going to stand by and let parents decide something this important.  As far as doctors,  any doctor that agrees a KID should have his or her gender physically changed should have his or her license revoked.

Parents don't know all.   We have plenty of laws in place to protect kids from their idiot parents.

WAY more kids die in car accidents than die of transgender surgery. But we still let 16-year-olds drive. This isn’t about protecting kids. It’s just another “moral panic” to distract MAGA from the economic malaise that is getting worse.

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I have no issue with this. In fact, I would support it being 21 instead of 18. Children have no business undergoing gender-altering procedures, although MAGAs have hypercatastrophized what amounts to 0.1 percent of adolescents undergoing gender-affirming care.

Seems like Congress has bigger legislative fish to fry, but perhaps this will dull the MAGA obsession over trans people.

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Just now, dogcows said:

WAY more kids die in car accidents than die of transgender surgery. But we still let 16-year-olds drive. This isn’t about protecting kids. It’s just another “moral panic” to distract MAGA from the economic malaise that is getting worse.

Who said die from surgery?  Where did that come from?

 

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Who said die from surgery?  Where did that come from?

 

So if they aren’t dying of it, what are these proposed laws protecting them from?

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Just now, dogcows said:

So if they aren’t dying of it, what are these proposed laws protecting them from?

From changing their gender due to mental issues.  Physical changes that are not necessary with proper mental health support.  Same with an anorexic.   They need care and support, they don't need a doctor telling them they are perfect at 40 LBS

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The same people arguing to protect children are the same ones arguing to cover up child rape.

Weird huh?

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34 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Elections have consequences.  Guess your party failed here by putting kamala with no primary.  

The primaries were pretty much over when Biden announced he was not seeking reelection states and having an open convention (while making good theatre) would have guaranteed a loss for whoever the nominee was, as it would have given the appearance of the Democratic Party being in chaos. 

Also, those who had voted for Biden, implicity understood that Kamala would continue to be his VP and would take over his delegates if something happened to him or if he dropped out.  

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2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

As far as doctors,  any doctor that agrees a KID should have his or her gender physically changed should have his or her license revoked.

 

I know you don’t respond to me but I had to comment on this post anyhow because it’s so ignorant and so emblematic of conservative attitudes these days. You ignore the science. Ignore the American Pyschological Association and all of the doctors, medical boards, who have almost unanimously offered evidence on this issue. Sure there are always outliers and my friend here @jerryskids is eager to bring them up, but they are few and far between and basically considered kooks by the medical community.

What this basically comes down to is that you and so many other conservatives are grossed out. That’s the bottom line and it informs all your thinking. 

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1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

From changing their gender due to mental issues.  Physical changes that are not necessary with proper mental health support.  Same with an anorexic.   They need care and support, they don't need a doctor telling them they are perfect at 40 LBS

No real doctor will tell an anorexic they are perfect while starving to death.  You just make sh1t up all the time.

[Fnord 2,657]

9 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

See, that goes under the assumption that parents always do the right thing by their kids.  And they don't.   So no.  I am not going to stand by and let parents decide something this important.  As far as doctors,  any doctor that agrees a KID should have his or her gender physically changed should have his or her license revoked.

Parents don't know all.   We have plenty of laws in place to protect kids from their idiot parents.

Well now we're into the meat of the argument!

You are absolutely correct, there are plenty of horrible parents out there. Some of the worst are those that remove their kids from public school and opt for homeschooling. Levels of abuse and neglect (not to mention irreparable harm to their future) stemming from that one decision dwarf anything going on re: transgenders. Are you okay making the argument that parents should not have the right to homeschool their kids?

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3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

From changing their gender due to mental issues.  Physical changes that are not necessary with proper mental health support.  Same with an anorexic.   They need care and support, they don't need a doctor telling them they are perfect at 40 LBS

I am opposed to any surgery unless absolutely necessary. But I’m not gonna impose that belief on others.

I’d much rather see doctors come up with guidelines and have them enforced… than to see this decided by attention-seeking politicians looking to score points by being anti-woke.

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Agreed there are some bad parents out there that make terrible decisions for their kids but it's still the parents job and not the governments job.

Kinda related, Australia recently banned social media for kids.  Social media for kids is highly destructive, a million times more than this tranny BS, but is it really the govt's job or the parent's job.  And even with the law, it's up to the parents to enforce it.

Bottom line is the same people that cry about parent's rights when it comes to their children now want the govt to step in and take away those rights when they don't agree with them.  Hypocrites.

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12 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So if they aren’t dying of it, what are these proposed laws protecting them from?

You’re a moron. 

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3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Well now we're into the meat of the argument!

You are absolutely correct, there are plenty of horrible parents out there. Some of the worst are those that remove their kids from public school and opt for homeschooling. Levels of abuse and neglect (not to mention irreparable harm to their future) stemming from that one decision dwarf anything going on re: transgenders. Are you okay making the argument that parents should not have the right to homeschool their kids?

Also, the argument that some people will be terrible parents is a great argument to keep abortion legal.

If somebody wants an abortion? They probably aren’t super interested in raising that kid. So… we’re gonna force them to? Makes no sense to me.

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m a moron. 

Don’t be so tough on yourself.

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24 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Well now we're into the meat of the argument!

You are absolutely correct, there are plenty of horrible parents out there. Some of the worst are those that remove their kids from public school and opt for homeschooling. Levels of abuse and neglect (not to mention irreparable harm to their future) stemming from that one decision dwarf anything going on re: transgenders. Are you okay making the argument that parents should not have the right to homeschool their kids?

I think parents can homeschool.  I dont agree with it, but then again it doesn't involve physical changes to children.  I won't back off that

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22 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I am opposed to any surgery unless absolutely necessary. But I’m not gonna impose that belief on others.

I’d much rather see doctors come up with guidelines and have them enforced… than to see this decided by attention-seeking politicians looking to score points by being anti-woke.

I would agree and counter I don't want this decided by doctors that are pro woke

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28 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Well now we're into the meat of the argument!

You are absolutely correct, there are plenty of horrible parents out there. Some of the worst are those that remove their kids from public school and opt for homeschooling. Levels of abuse and neglect (not to mention irreparable harm to their future) stemming from that one decision dwarf anything going on re: transgenders. Are you okay making the argument that parents should not have the right to homeschool their kids?

And this will blow what little hair you probably have left back, I believe kids should be vaccinated.   Woah.   Where'd that come from

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39 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So if they aren’t dying of it, what are these proposed laws protecting them from?

You’re a moron. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,066]

Gay conversion therapy bad. Surgery conversion good. 

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This is greatttt news, and it should be the same for abortionist.   Jailed and deported, with the Muslims, illegals, and rainbow people 

[Fnord 2,657]

12 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I think parents can homeschool.  I dont agree with it, but then again it doesn't involve physical changes to children.  I won't back off that

That's fair, but if we're concerned about parents not being motivated by what's in the best interest of their children, it seems to me like you're drawing an imaginary line that says "certain kinds of abuse are okay, just not others."

8 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

And this will blow what little hair you probably have left back, I believe kids should be vaccinated.   Woah.   Where'd that come from

I shave my head, no hair to blow back most of the time. This does not surprise me coming from you, as you're not a psychotic TDS-addled MAGA cultist, just a misguided Republican. Anti-vaxxers are a different breed of gullible moron.

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3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

That's fair, but if we're concerned about parents not being motivated by what's in the best interest of their children, it seems to me like you're drawing an imaginary line that says "certain kinds of abuse are okay, just not others."

I shave my head, no hair to blow back most of the time. This does not surprise me coming from you, as you're not a psychotic TDS-addled MAGA cultist, just a misguided Republican. Anti-vaxxers are a different breed of gullible moron.

The guy thinks all anti vaxxers are on the right. Jeeez. How about paying attention? 

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7 minutes ago, Fnord said:

That's fair, but if we're concerned about parents not being motivated by what's in the best interest of their children, it seems to me like you're drawing an imaginary line that says "certain kinds of abuse are okay, just not others."

I shave my head, no hair to blow back most of the time. This does not surprise me coming from you, as you're not a psychotic TDS-addled MAGA cultist, just a misguided Republican. Anti-vaxxers are a different breed of gullible moron.

I am absolutely drawing a line you tree hugging liberal loon.  PHYSICAL changes I am against. 

I dont think kids should get tattoos either.    

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I know you don’t respond to me but I had to comment on this post anyhow because it’s so ignorant and so emblematic of conservative attitudes these days. You ignore the science. Ignore the American Pyschological Association and all of the doctors, medical boards, who have almost unanimously offered evidence on this issue. Sure there are always outliers and my friend here @jerryskids is eager to bring them up, but they are few and far between and basically considered kooks by the medical community.

What this basically comes down to is that you and so many other conservatives are grossed out. That’s the bottom line and it informs all your thinking. 

This is nonsense...the UK has already banned it based on studies and experts so the consensus is far from unanimous.

Not grossed out by it at all...as an adult live however you want to live.  There have always been cross-dressers and others challenging gender norms...no problem with that.  And as an adult if they want to pursue mutilating themselves then have at it...but it should not be done with children.  Beyond the very small percentage that are truly gender dysphoric this is clearly a social contagion aligned with autism and children should not be allowed the make permanent changes to themselves until they are developed enough to do so.

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8 minutes ago, eagerowl said:

This is nonsense...the UK has already banned it based on studies and experts so the consensus is far from unanimous.

Not grossed out by it at all...as an adult live however you want to live.  There have always been cross-dressers and others challenging gender norms...no problem with that.  And as an adult if they want to pursue mutilating themselves then have at it...but it should not be done with children.  Beyond the very small percentage that are truly gender dysphoric this is clearly a social contagion aligned with autism and children should not be allowed the make permanent changes to themselves until they are developed enough to do so.

Well said.   I don't care one bit if an adult wishes to take this step.  It's weird to me, and I still think its mental illness, but they are adults so therefore---have at it.   Not kids.  Never ever kids.

[Fnord 2,657]

18 minutes ago, eagerowl said:

This is nonsense...the UK has already banned it based on studies and experts so the consensus is far from unanimous.

Not grossed out by it at all...as an adult live however you want to live.  There have always been cross-dressers and others challenging gender norms...no problem with that.  And as an adult if they want to pursue mutilating themselves then have at it...but it should not be done with children.  Beyond the very small percentage that are truly gender dysphoric this is clearly a social contagion aligned with autism and children should not be allowed the make permanent changes to themselves until they are developed enough to do so.

Care to unpack the bolded a bit? 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,066]

Keep defending this libtards.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

22 minutes ago, eagerowl said:

This is nonsense...the UK has already banned it based on studies and experts so the consensus is far from unanimous.

Not grossed out by it at all...as an adult live however you want to live.  There have always been cross-dressers and others challenging gender norms...no problem with that.  And as an adult if they want to pursue mutilating themselves then have at it...but it should not be done with children.  Beyond the very small percentage that are truly gender dysphoric this is clearly a social contagion aligned with autism and children should not be allowed the make permanent changes to themselves until they are developed enough to do so.

Don’t know which is worse: the idea that this is a social contagion or that autism is a social contagion. Not surprised you have chosen to defend the kooks; you’re clearly one of them. 

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22 minutes ago, eagerowl said:

This is nonsense...the UK has already banned it based on studies and experts so the consensus is far from unanimous.

Not grossed out by it at all...as an adult live however you want to live.  There have always been cross-dressers and others challenging gender norms...no problem with that.  And as an adult if they want to pursue mutilating themselves then have at it...but it should not be done with children.  Beyond the very small percentage that are truly gender dysphoric this is clearly a social contagion aligned with autism and children should not be allowed the make permanent changes to themselves until they are developed enough to do so.

This is why we should leave this up to doctors and parents. The opinions on this from members of Congress are equally ill-informed.

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37 minutes ago, eagerowl said:

This is nonsense...the UK has already banned it based on studies and experts so the consensus is far from unanimous.

Not grossed out by it at all...as an adult live however you want to live.  There have always been cross-dressers and others challenging gender norms...no problem with that.  And as an adult if they want to pursue mutilating themselves then have at it...but it should not be done with children.  Beyond the very small percentage that are truly gender dysphoric this is clearly a social contagion aligned with autism and children should not be allowed the make permanent changes to themselves until they are developed enough to do so.

As an adult live however you want to live,  Just won the stupidest statement of the day award.  

So a rapist should be allowed to live the adult life it chooses, an adult that abuses children, should be allowed to do so, a thief , should be allowed to steal, a woman beater, should be allowed to do that, it’s the adult life they chose.  

What a flocking stupid way of thinking OP.  

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13 minutes ago, weepaws said:

As an adult live however you want to live,  Just won the stupidest statement of the day award.  

So a rapist should be allowed to live the adult life it chooses, an adult that abuses children, should be allowed to do so, a thief , should be allowed to steal, a woman beater, should be allowed to do that, it’s the adult life they chose.  

What a flocking stupid way of thinking OP.  

Sigh.   

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Anti trans laws increases the rate of suicide among transgender and nonbinary teenagers: 

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/blog/anti-transgender-laws-cause-up-to-72-increase-in-suicide-attempts-among-transgender-and-nonbinary-youth-study-shows/

Access to gender affirming care reduces suicide rates among transgender youths: 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ga-trans-suicide-press-release/

This is no joke. You’re messing with people’s lives here. 

[Fnord 2,657]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Anti trans laws increases the rate of suicide among transgender and nonbinary teenagers: 

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/blog/anti-transgender-laws-cause-up-to-72-increase-in-suicide-attempts-among-transgender-and-nonbinary-youth-study-shows/

Access to gender affirming care reduces suicide rates among transgender youths: 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ga-trans-suicide-press-release/

This is no joke. You’re messing with people’s lives here. 

THEY. DON'T. CARE. Transgenders aren't real people to them, especially MO. Maybe someday he'll see the error in his ways, like after he finally crawls out of the sewer and accepts himself for who he really is, but not until then. I used to hate this phrase, but as time goes on and these folks continue to expose their base inhumanity, I'm starting to believe it: Cruelty is the point.

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7 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Like federally required vaccines?

What vaccines are federally required?

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4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This will be overturned eventually. The conservative obsession with transgender issues is unhealthy. 

Are you unfamiliar with the current supreme court?

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Anti trans laws increases the rate of suicide among transgender and nonbinary teenagers: 

This is no joke. You’re messing with people’s lives here. 

There is no such thing as transgender in reality.

Liberals push this imaginary shlt on kids and that's the illness. 

Follow the science dumbass. 

 

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3 hours ago, dogcows said:

So if they aren’t dying of it, what are these proposed laws protecting them from?

Holy f....