Parents have a constitutional right to be informed if their child changes their gender presentation at school

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Parents have a constitutional right to be informed if their child changes their gender presentation at school, and schools can’t hide that information from parents, a federal judge in San Diego ruled in a class-action lawsuit.

In a 52-page decision handed down Monday night, Judge Roger Benitez ruled that parents have a constitutional right to know if their child may be transgender and that California public schools cannot in any way prevent employees from notifying parents. In a separate order, he barred them from violating that right.

The injunction bans any public school employee from misleading parents about their child’s gender presentation at school, such as by using different pronouns or names with a parent than the student uses at school. The ruling also bars employees from calling students by names or pronouns that don’t match their legal ones if their parents object.

Schools Can’t Bar Teachers From Telling Parents If Kids Are Transgender, Judge Rules https://share.google/Lpc4MDYk470o1IL2H

[Tree of Knowledge 2,273]

It’s amazing that people think the parents don’t need to know. 

[squistion 2,673]

I don't believe they do actually have that Constitutional right and I doubt the Summary Judgment ruling will be upheld on appeal.

And the privacy rights of the minor also comes into play here IMO. I can foresee that the consequences of parents being informed may result in the transgender minor being forced into therapy against their will, or kicked out of their home and in some cases resulting in suicide. Bad decision.

Fun Fact: Judge Roger T. Benitez was appointed as a U.S. District Judge by President George W. Bush in 2004.

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32 minutes ago, squistion said:

I don't believe they do actually have that Constitutional right and I doubt the Summary Judgment ruling will be upheld on appeal.

And the privacy rights of the minor also comes into play here IMO. I can foresee that the consequences of parents being informed may result in the transgender minor being forced into therapy against their will, or kicked out of their home and in some cases resulting in suicide. Bad decision.

Fun Fact: Judge Roger T. Benitez was appointed as a U.S. District Judge by President George W. Bush in 2004.

fun fact, all trannies should be forced into therapy against their will if THEIR parents chose too

the suicide rate remains the same regardless of if you transition or not

 

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54 minutes ago, squistion said:

I don't believe they do actually have that Constitutional right and I doubt the Summary Judgment ruling will be upheld on appeal.

And the privacy rights of the minor also comes into play here IMO. I can foresee that the consequences of parents being informed may result in the transgender minor being forced into therapy against their will, or kicked out of their home and in some cases resulting in suicide. Bad decision.

Fun Fact: Judge Roger T. Benitez was appointed as a U.S. District Judge by President George W. Bush in 2004.

Parents need to be informed, and minors privacy rights, should be eliminated.   Don’t know how or when minors were given so much freedom to choose stupidity.  

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Interested to know how often that’s actually a thing?
 

What I mean is most of these kids that are trans overwhelmingly come from liberal families and their ideologies that end up getting pushed on their kids. But how often is it occurring where they don’t have to tell the parents or that it’s a complete shock to the parents That their kids want to be trans? 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,071]

Can’t get a tattoo in most places even with parental permission. Can get mutilated without it in libtard land. 

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Kids are getting gender reassignment surgery without their parents’ consent?   

[squistion 2,673]

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The suicide rate remains the same regardless of if you transition or not

Not true:

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Research indicates that suicide rates and risks are generally not the same for transgender individuals who have transitioned compared to those who have not. Studies consistently show that access to gender-affirming care (medical, surgical, or social) is associated with a lower prevalence of suicidal ideation and attempts. 

Conversely, those who have not transitioned, or who have been denied necessary care, face higher risks. 

[dogcows 1,294]

So, parents SHOULD be involved in decisions involving their child’s gender presentation? There’s an entire thread here full of the same posters saying the government should decide because there are so many bad parents. 

Make up your minds…

 

[5-Points 3,847]

I don't remember having any "privacy rights" when I was a minor. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,641]

58 minutes ago, dogcows said:

parents SHOULD be involved in decisions involving their child’s gender presentation?

Of course. 

Do you disagree? 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,071]

Parents should be involved as far as deciding who to kill if they do that to their child. 

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1 hour ago, squistion said:

Not true:

AI Overview

Research indicates that suicide rates and risks are generally not the same for transgender individuals who have transitioned compared to those who have not. Studies consistently show that access to gender-affirming care (medical, surgical, or social) is associated with a lower prevalence of suicidal ideation and attempts. 

Conversely, those who have not transitioned, or who have been denied necessary care, face higher risks. 

BS

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Research indicates a complex picture regarding suicide rates among transgender people before and after transition, with 

some studies showing a decrease in suicidal ideation after gender-affirming care, while long-term studies on completed suicides show elevated rates in the post-transition population compared to the general population. The overall data is often limited by methodological challenges. 

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Squidly lumping therapy / psych help in with surgery as far as outcomes go. No one has an issue with a kid getting therapeutic help. It’s the surgery that’s the problem. You’re using vulnerable kids for your virtue signaling. That’s terrible. 

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No one has an issue with a kid getting therapeutic help

Yes, they do if the therapeutic help is to support them in the process of transitioning. That is considered part of what is called gender affirming care.

[dogcows 1,294]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Of course. 

Do you disagree? 

No, YOU disagree according to the other thread. Which is it? Parents choose care with their doctors.. or the government decides?

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15 minutes ago, squistion said:

Yes, they do if the therapeutic help is to support them in the process of transitioning. That is considered part of what is called gender affirming care.

Correct. Even when you’re right you manage to be wrong. 

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1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

I don't remember having any "privacy rights" when I was a minor. 

 

Correct.  My parents told me my rights, and even though I mostly disagreed,, that was the way it was, darn glad for it, keeps children from making stupid decisions for n matters or issues they feel pressured to be an agreement with.   

 

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9 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

It’s amazing that people think the parents don’t need to know. 

We know what's best for you and your family, especially your children.

Don't resist. Trust us.

[Tree of Knowledge 2,273]

24 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

We know what's best for you and your family, especially your children.

Don't resist. Trust us.

Sounds fascist?

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5 hours ago, dogcows said:

No, YOU disagree according to the other thread. Which is it? Parents choose care with their doctors.. or the government decides?

Parents knowing how their children are presenting, and parents choosing to medically mutilate their children, are not the same. 

 

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9 hours ago, squistion said:

I don't believe they do actually have that Constitutional right and I doubt the Summary Judgment ruling will be upheld on appeal.

And the privacy rights of the minor also comes into play here IMO. I can foresee that the consequences of parents being informed may result in the transgender minor being forced into therapy against their will, or kicked out of their home and in some cases resulting in suicide. Bad decision.

Fun Fact: Judge Roger T. Benitez was appointed as a U.S. District Judge by President George W. Bush in 2004.

You're such a weirdo

[dogcows 1,294]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Parents knowing how their children are presenting, and parents choosing to medically mutilate their children, are not the same. 

 

Again, you think lawmakers know more about what’s good for somebody else’s child than their parents and doctors. Are you ok with the government deciding the same if you need care? Or if you need to make a medical decision for your kids? I guess so. Open this door and it can and will go farther.

All because MAGA (and you apparently) are obsessed with kids’ genitals.

MAGA are Sky screamers when asked to wear a mask or get a vaccine, but perfectly ok with forcing pregnant women to give birth or restrict gender affirming care. Such absurd hypocrisy. Plus, masks and vaccines are for the greater good, and denying care to others based on your personal morality, which others may not share, is not for THEIR good. It’s to enforce your values on others by force of law.

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cutting my Wang off would definitely make me less suicidal

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23 minutes ago, edjr said:

cutting my Wang off would definitely make me less suicidal

Save children from sexual abuse

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

cutting my Wang off would definitely make me less suicidal

It’d probably make you less of an a55hole.

[jerryskids 7,210]

10 hours ago, dogcows said:

Again, you think lawmakers know more about what’s good for somebody else’s child than their parents and doctors. Are you ok with the government deciding the same if you need care? Or if you need to make a medical decision for your kids? I guess so. Open this door and it can and will go farther.

All because MAGA (and you apparently) are obsessed with kids’ genitals.

MAGA are Sky screamers when asked to wear a mask or get a vaccine, but perfectly ok with forcing pregnant women to give birth or restrict gender affirming care. Such absurd hypocrisy. Plus, masks and vaccines are for the greater good, and denying care to others based on your personal morality, which others may not share, is not for THEIR good. It’s to enforce your values on others by force of law.

I very much prefer parents make such decisions vs. lawmakers, but there needs to be a guardrail.  We wouldn't let a parent starve a child to death in belief that it would cure an illness, for instance.

But wait, you say, transing the kids is supported by the medical community!  This is where I explain my model of the medical community.  One, doctors are neither omniscient nor infallible.  I learned this as a young adult, and have debated with doctors throughout my life, including my cancer journey, on care decisions. 

Two, I've worked with many people with advanced degrees, and regardless of the field, the following is true:  the higher the degree, the more they will defer to their peers in adjacent fields.  An orthopedic surgeon will absolutely defer to a urologist on urology issues -- after all, he wouldn't want a urologist telling him how to handle a knee surgery.  This is how we get statements like "the medical community" supports it -- most doctors are just defering to...

... transgender care doctors.  The problem with this is that everyone who enters the field is biased towards believing children and helping them on their trans journey.  After all, that's why they entered the field and work with such kids, right?  So there is an inherent systemic bias.

Then there is the whole discussion of social contagion (which absolutely has happened) and woke pressure (which influences lobbying groups like the AMA and APA).

By the way, when I hear the phrase "gender affirming care" to describe mutilating children, I want to club a baby seal with a puppy.  It disgusts me that the left conflates therapy with mutilation.  What you are describing is, at its kindest, gender changing care, and more accurately, gender destroying care.

Europe led the way in transing the kids, and we followed like good little Leftie lemmings.  Europe has now seen the error of its ways, but we're not quite ready to give up our woke position on this.  Some day we will look back on this time in horror at the way we abused our young people in the name of social justice points.  As I told Real Tim when we had this discussion, when that day occurs, Lefties will just say "oh well, we meant well!"  That is the nice thing about Leftism -- you can pave a lot of roads to hell with your good intentions. 

I'll skip your abortion strawman for now, to not dilute the discussion even more.

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10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Europe led the way in transing the kids, and we followed like good little Leftie lemmings.  Europe has now seen the error of its ways, but we're not quite ready to give up our woke position on this.  Some day we will look back on this time in horror at the way we abused our young people in the name of social justice points.  As I told Real Tim when we had this discussion, when that day occurs, Lefties will just say "oh well, we meant well!"  That is the nice thing about Leftism -- you can pave a lot of roads to hell with your good intentions. 

 

This pretty much nails it.  In fact, it was a SINGLE study who's purpose wasn't even specifically to define what type of care Gender Dysphoric youth should be given.  And EVERYONE jumped on board with it thinking it was the bees knees of studies on this issue.  And that study has now been retracted due to methodology and other issues.  As you noted, pretty much every European country that jumped on the "Gender Affirming" bandwagon has bailed, especially after a report came out detailing the problems with that system in the U.K. which was much more comprehensive than the original study I mentioned above.  

Also, throw in what I would call a fact that mental health care is nowhere near as advanced as health care that focuses on disease and other issues in our body.  The way the libs and some mental health professionals approach treating gender issues in America just reeks of wanting a certain treatment and working backwards to justify that treatment, which is the exact opposite of how something should be treated.

As far as withholding vital information about their children from parents, I just find it so hard to believe people are actually ok with that.  What a disgusting concept.

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11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I very much prefer parents make such decisions vs. lawmakers, but there needs to be a guardrail.  We wouldn't let a parent starve a child to death in belief that it would cure an illness, for instance.

But wait, you say, transing the kids is supported by the medical community!  This is where I explain my model of the medical community.  One, doctors are neither omniscient nor infallible.  I learned this as a young adult, and have debated with doctors throughout my life, including my cancer journey, on care decisions. 

Two, I've worked with many people with advanced degrees, and regardless of the field, the following is true:  the higher the degree, the more they will defer to their peers in adjacent fields.  An orthopedic surgeon will absolutely defer to a urologist on urology issues -- after all, he wouldn't want a urologist telling him how to handle a knee surgery.  This is how we get statements like "the medical community" supports it -- most doctors are just defering to...

... transgender care doctors.  The problem with this is that everyone who enters the field is biased towards believing children and helping them on their trans journey.  After all, that's why they entered the field and work with such kids, right?  So there is an inherent systemic bias.

Then there is the whole discussion of social contagion (which absolutely has happened) and woke pressure (which influences lobbying groups like the AMA and APA).

By the way, when I hear the phrase "gender affirming care" to describe mutilating children, I want to club a baby seal with a puppy.  It disgusts me that the left conflates therapy with mutilation.  What you are describing is, at its kindest, gender changing care, and more accurately, gender destroying care.

Europe led the way in transing the kids, and we followed like good little Leftie lemmings.  Europe has now seen the error of its ways, but we're not quite ready to give up our woke position on this.  Some day we will look back on this time in horror at the way we abused our young people in the name of social justice points.  As I told Real Tim when we had this discussion, when that day occurs, Lefties will just say "oh well, we meant well!"  That is the nice thing about Leftism -- you can pave a lot of roads to hell with your good intentions. 

I'll skip your abortion strawman for now, to not dilute the discussion even more.

Starving a child to death is the same as gender affirming care!

You know more about medicine than the medical community!

You admit your own extreme bias on the issue with the killing baby seals comment and still think it’s a good idea for people with the same bias to dictate life choices for other parents!

This is everything wrong with MAGA in one post. They don’t care what the experts say, and they will impose THEIR ignorant beliefs and values on others.

This attitude that MAGA folks know more about medicine than actual FOCKING DOCTORS is how we got Measles back in America.

I can promise you one thing 100%. Of the many things people will look back at in horror from this time period, transgender surgeries won’t even make the top 10.

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2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Starving a child to death is the same as gender affirming care!

You know more about medicine than the medical community!

You admit your own extreme bias on the issue with the killing baby seals comment and still think it’s a good idea for people with the same bias to dictate life choices for other parents!

This is everything wrong with MAGA in one post. They don’t care what the experts say, and they will impose THEIR ignorant beliefs and values on others.

This attitude that MAGA folks know more about medicine than actual FOCKING DOCTORS is how we got Measles back in America.

I can promise you one thing 100%. Of the many things people will look back at in horror from this time period, transgender surgeries won’t even make the top 10.

Well, I for one am glad I took the time on a Saturday morning to explain my position.  Derp away, Slingblade.  Remember, you meant well!

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The best part about transitioning is you absolutely do not have to, nor do your kids. You are totally in charge of that.

What you’re not in charge of is anyone else’s decisions.

MAGA is too ignorant to understand this. 

[jerryskids 7,210]

Never question doctors!

 

[dogcows 1,294]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, I for one am glad I took the time on a Saturday morning to explain my position. 

I’m glad you did too, thanks and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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Just gonna repost this here, from another thread.  It's a an interview with someone from the U.K. regarding their move away from gender affirming care.  Thanks for posting this originally, @jerryskids

https://www.thefp.com/p/when-gender-ideology-corrupts-medicine-tavistock

[jerryskids 7,210]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

Just gonna repost this here, from another thread.  It's a an interview with someone from the U.K. regarding their move away from gender affirming care.  Thanks for posting this originally, @jerryskids

https://www.thefp.com/p/when-gender-ideology-corrupts-medicine-tavistock

Thanks, but I learned from dogcows that only American doctors are infallible.  Or maybe it's the ones that agree with his ideology.  Also I'm biased.