Woman shot in the face during 'ICE-related shooting' in Minneapolis

[Horseman 2,821]

11 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I totally disagree that people shouldn’t be allowed to follow these cops around and record them. I definitely don’t believe shet this administration says, what all these hand picked ass kissing clown bureaucrats say. 

Its like talking in circles with you.  

50 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Go for it.  Just stay out of the way and don't threaten officers.  You probably missed all the yelling and middle fingers too. Just like you missed MY POINT - they aren't there to protest. They are there to incite. 

The girlfriend knew they shouldn’t have been there doing what they were doing.  Fact.  

[thegeneral 3,794]

Just now, Strike said:

This incident is one of the reasons you SHOULD always listen to cops.  You don't know what cowboy you're gonna get holding that badge.  And we purposely make it difficult to prosecute cops because otherwise we wouldn't have any.  

I def don’t want my cops being cowboys unless we are talking Timothy Olipant from Deadwood. I’d trust his judgement. ICE has ramped up so fast, given this difficult mission to carry out, led by politicians doing things for political gain. It’s a recipe for a shitshow sandwich. 

This cop I’d bet was a big fan of The Shield and Vic Mackey.

 

[Strike 6,115]

Just now, thegeneral said:

 

This cop I’d bet was a big fan of The Shield and Vic Mackey.

 

Who wasn't?

[cyclone24 1,962]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Its like talking in circles with you.  

The girlfriend knew they shouldn’t have been there doing what they were doing.  Fact.  

They’ve developed a culture where they don’t think anything will ever happen to them and they can just say and do whatever they want as low as they want as violent as they want and then they’re shocked when something bad happens to them.
 

It’s actually quite sad to see people so brainwashed by people using them for political gain.

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4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

They’ve developed a culture where they don’t think anything will ever happen to them and they can just say and do whatever they want as low as they want as violent as they want and then they’re shocked when something bad happens to them.
 

It’s actually quite sad to see people so brainwashed by people using them for political gain.

instead of using this as a learning opportunity, as if they haven't had enough of them over the years, they use it to to justify their bad behavior.  It's just surreal, and the exact opposite of how I was taught to live in a civilized society growing up.

[Horseman 2,821]

Hey honey, I know we have plans to hang out at home playing with our guinea pigs after we dropped your kid off, but, I saw on lesbian blue cry that ICE is going to be on 34th street today.  We should go down there and ______________.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,178]

Liberals don’t care about victims unless they can get some political benefit out of the suffering.  

[Ron_Artest 2,688]

4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

It’s actually quite sad to see people so brainwashed by people using them for political gain.

Trump voter

[jerryskids 7,248]

15 hours ago, TimHauck said:

This is the correct take.  If the car made contact with the agent which it appears it did, then he was most likely justified legally.  But anyone who thinks she was “trying to run him over” and not simply trying to flee needs their head examined.

I agree that she probably wasn't trying to hit him, but you and a lot of Lefties here seem to have a version of Biden's "shoot 'em in the leg" syndrome; namely, if the car hit him, then his actions were OK, but if not, they weren't.  That's like saying you can only shoot an intruder in your house if they shoot you first.

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

The last part if true I would want to see or hear how this occurred. I’m a bit skeptical as to why she only put out video from the point which she did.

One could reasonably assume the prior footage showed the woman being obstructive.  I mean, she's parked sideways in the middle of the street.  I actually think that the footage might help her -- being an obstruction and getting under the skin of ICE agents may be a bad look, but it isn't reason to shoot her, and it might build a case that the agent was acting with some malice.  But, we won't know until (if) we see it.

I think you have a reasonable position in this thread BTW, one with which I generally agree.  I think it will be difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer wasn't in fear for his safety.  For all we know, the woman looked him in the eye with an "I got you now!" grin as she gunned it forward.  Or at least, he can say that that's what happened.

Then again, Minnesota showed they don't understand "reasonable doubt" when they paneled a jury of 12 @Fnords (who has already labeled this a murder) to inexplicably find Chauvin guilty of not manslaughter but murder, despite copious amounts of reasonable doubt.

I do think the follow-up shots are harder for the shooter to justify than the initial one through the front windshield, and that might be the focus of a prosecution.

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

According to VP Vance, who has no role in any of this, “We were going door to door to try to find criminal illegal aliens.” 

[cyclone24 1,962]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump voter

Sorry, pumpkin. We’re not training our people to constantly be attacking conservatives almost on a daily basis. And I can name things I voted for Trump for that. He’s doing exactly what I wanted. I hardly ever see any liberal talk about Joe Biden, and why they voted for him and what an outstanding job he is doing with it. Never happens. But good try though man.

[BrahmaBulls 1,007]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump voter

You voted for Trump, dumb a$$

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

Sorry, pumpkin. We’re not training our people to constantly be attacking conservatives almost on a daily basis. And I can name things I voted for Trump for that. He’s doing exactly what I wanted. I hardly ever see any liberal talk about Joe Biden, and why they voted for him and what an outstanding job he is doing with it. Never happens. But good try though man.

Uhm I’ll do it. Things were comparatively normal & peaceful. We’ve been in a chaos machine since late last January.

[Horseman 2,821]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump voter

Jamala (K!) voter

[Engorgeous George 2,342]

41 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have advocated for years that ALL law enforcement officers should be required to wear body cams.  I hadn't really thought about ICE when making that statement but would include them in that as well.  Body cams not only protect the victims but the agents/officers as well.  And, while I am not suggesting we get rid of citizens recording law enforcement, body cams would certainly minimize that need to an extent.  

When body cams first came out they were originally mounted as a head piece so that they pointed where the officers were looking, rather than as is now common as a chest mounted camera facing where the officer is facing, but not necessarily looking.  The Department I was then advising was a test agency.  We had a night shift given the cameras.  There was a disturbance call to a Salsa dance club, a fairly regular event.  We responded.  The club was shut down and the patrons made to file past a phalanx of officers while victims of a beating looked to identify those involved.  The cameras were recording.  As the patrons filed out our officers uniformly looked at and tracked the most attractive females in short skirts and high heels.  Uniformly they did not look at or track the males who more or less matched the discription of the assailants until they where pointed out by the victims.  We knew we had a problem.  I conducted trainings for the officers on them basically being the directors of their own movies.  We taught them to record the reality as much as possible as we would want it to be.

 

The push back in the day was for body cams with the believe from the community being that they would document officer abuses.  To an extremely limited extent they have.  To a wide extent they have documented that criminals are dumb, abusive, obnoxious, and basically ask for far more than they get.

[Ron_Artest 2,688]

The murderers name has been revealed, Jonathan Ross.

DHS says he was involved in ANOTHER incident where he was hit by a car in June.

Maybe this piece of sh1t should stop standing in front of cars.

[HellToupee 2,360]

16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This cop I’d bet was a big fan of The Shield and Vic Mackey.

Is that a bad thing??

[Hardcore troubadour 16,178]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Uhm I’ll do it. Things were comparatively normal & peaceful. We’ve been in a chaos machine since late last January.

Really? All those migrants getting put up in hotels was Normal? The border was normal? Are you being a clown on purpose? 

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2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

When body cams first came out they were originally mounted as a head piece so that they pointed where the officers were looking, rather than as is now common as a chest mounted camera facing where the officer is facing, but not necessarily looking.  The Department I was then advising was a test agency.  We had a night shift given the cameras.  There was a distuirbance call to a Salsa dance club, a fairly regualr event.  We responded.  The club was shut down and the aptrons made to file past a phalanx of officeers while victims of a beating looked to identify those involved.  The cameras were recording.  As the patrons filed out our officers uniformly looked at and tracked the most attractive females in short skirts and high heels.  Uniformly they did not look at or track the males who more or less matched the discription of the assailants until they where pointed out by the victims.  We knew we haed a problem.  I conducted trainings for the officers on them basically being the directors of their own movies.  We taught them to record the reality as much as possible as we would want it to be.

 

The push back in the day was for body cams with the believe from the community being that they would document officer abuses.  To an extremely limited extent they have.  To a wide extent they have documented that criminals are dumb, abusive, obnoxious, and basically ask for far more than they get.

Should have sent those officers to Shotgun Willies.

[Maximum Overkill 2,707]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Jonathan Ross.

This Hero saved innocent lives while being run down by a violent liberal Pedocrat. 

Thank you Mr. Ross for your service and may God Bless you and ICE. 

[Horseman 2,821]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Uhm I’ll do it. Things were comparatively normal & peaceful. We’ve been in a chaos machine since late last January.

Chaos?   

What about 2020 and 2021 when you had a mental breakdown?   

I guess there was some quiet years there during the ice-cream administration.  Except Afghanistan.   And Russia.  And record inflation. Oh and the 20 million illegals that gave us this thread.  Other than that very peaceful and normal.   

[cyclone24 1,962]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Uhm I’ll do it. Things were comparatively normal & peaceful. We’ve been in a chaos machine since late last January.

Wooooww. Oh yes, as long as everyone is compliant with liberals then and only then is it comparatively normal and peaceful. You didn’t see this behavior under Joe. 
And this completely ignores how chaotic it was with North Korea, the border, Russia, taking over new land, getting our asses kicked in almost every single metric that we are no longer.

Like I said, you guys have no self-awareness whatsoever. Of course it was peaceful because you guys had one so you guys don’t whine and every day. 
That has a lot more to do with Republicans than it does anything with what Joe was doing

[Engorgeous George 2,342]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Should have sent those officers to Shotgun Willies.

Glendale is out of our jurisdiction, or what was at the time our jurisdiction.  I am now retired and have no jurisdiction

[Fnord 2,698]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I agree that she probably wasn't trying to hit him, but you and a lot of Lefties here seem to have a version of Biden's "shoot 'em in the leg" syndrome; namely, if the car hit him, then his actions were OK, but if not, they weren't.  That's like saying you can only shoot an intruder in your house if they shoot you first.

One could reasonably assume the prior footage showed the woman being obstructive.  I mean, she's parked sideways in the middle of the street.  I actually think that the footage might help her -- being an obstruction and getting under the skin of ICE agents may be a bad look, but it isn't reason to shoot her, and it might build a case that the agent was acting with some malice.  But, we won't know until (if) we see it.

I think you have a reasonable position in this thread BTW, one with which I generally agree.  I think it will be difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer wasn't in fear for his safety.  For all we know, the woman looked him in the eye with an "I got you now!" grin as she gunned it forward.  Or at least, he can say that that's what happened.

Then again, Minnesota showed they don't understand "reasonable doubt" when they paneled a jury of 12 @Fnords (who has already labeled this a murder) to inexplicably find Chauvin guilty of not manslaughter but murder, despite copious amounts of reasonable doubt.

I do think the follow-up shots are harder for the shooter to justify than the initial one through the front windshield, and that might be the focus of a prosecution.

Hadn't taken you for one that would dismiss the results of a legitimate jury trial, but live and learn.

I'll point out that I gave no opinion until I saw the definitive video. At that point, yeah, I'm comfortable calling it murder. Or at the very least criminally negligent homicide. NYT has a great slo-mo breakdown of the incident which has been linked here. Hard for me to accept anyone watched that video and still thinks it's a justified police action unless they're just a partisan hack, troll, or blind. 

There won't be a jury trial and it seems like the DHS concluded their investigation more quickly than I did, while acknowledging even less evidence. So, yaknow, the "professional" investigation was even quicker and less thorough than the one I did from work on my computer.

[thegeneral 3,794]

31 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Its like talking in circles with you.  

The girlfriend knew they shouldn’t have been there doing what they were doing.  Fact.  

Fact

The Prez said he the cop was run over and is lucky to be alive.

People say all kinds of things. You don’t have a clue what they were doing there and neither do I because we haven’t seen shet yet.

[thegeneral 3,794]

32 minutes ago, Strike said:

Who wasn't?

I mean he was great…but I don’t want him walking the beat.

[thegeneral 3,794]

13 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Is that a bad thing??

Vic is a bad hombre.

[Strike 6,115]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I mean he was great…but I don’t want him walking the beat.

He's behind a desk now.  You're safe, snowflake.

[thegeneral 3,794]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

He's behind a desk now.  You're safe, snowflake.

You probably cheered when he shot Terry in the face!

[jerryskids 7,248]

6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Hadn't taken you for one that would dismiss the results of a legitimate jury trial, but live and learn.

I'll point out that I gave no opinion until I saw the definitive video. At that point, yeah, I'm comfortable calling it murder. Or at the very least criminally negligent homicide. NYT has a great slo-mo breakdown of the incident which has been linked here. Hard for me to accept anyone watched that video and still thinks it's a justified police action unless they're just a partisan hack, troll, or blind. 

There won't be a jury trial and it seems like the DHS concluded their investigation more quickly than I did, while acknowledging even less evidence. So, yaknow, the "professional" investigation was even quicker and less thorough than the one I did from work on my computer.

Let me guess, you are the guy who thinks the ref sucks because hi-def slo-mo shows that the receiver's cleat grazes a blade of grass.

The only way to accurately assess it is full speed, and preferrable from the angle of the shooter.

For Chauvin, I don't want to re-litigate it.  I'll just say that from the moment they kept the trial in Minneapolis instead of finding a neutral venue, it was on its way to being a clown show.

[HellToupee 2,360]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Vic is a bad hombre.

At heart he was a good cop with a side business 

[Horseman 2,821]

14 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Hadn't taken you for one that would dismiss the results of a legitimate jury trial, but live and learn.

I'll point out that I gave no opinion until I saw the definitive video. At that point, yeah, I'm comfortable calling it murder. Or at the very least criminally negligent homicide. NYT has a great slo-mo breakdown of the incident which has been linked here. Hard for me to accept anyone watched that video and still thinks it's a justified police action unless they're just a partisan hack, troll, or blind. 

There won't be a jury trial and it seems like the DHS concluded their investigation more quickly than I did, while acknowledging even less evidence. So, yaknow, the "professional" investigation was even quicker and less thorough than the one I did from work on my computer.

 Detective Clouseau.  

[Strike 6,115]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You probably cheered when he shot Terry in the face!

I liked Terry but he was a rat.  Snitches get stitches, or shot in the face.  If Vic was smarter he would have just taken out Acevada instead and saved us all a lot of grief 

[Horseman 2,821]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Fact

The Prez said he the cop was run over and is lucky to be alive.

People say all kinds of things. You don’t have a clue what they were doing there and neither do I because we haven’t seen shet yet.

I know. 

33 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Hey honey, I know we have plans to hang out at home playing with our guinea pigs after we dropped your kid off, but, I saw on lesbian blue cry that ICE is going to be on 34th street today.  We should go down there and ______________.

 

You don't. You're not smart.   

[Maximum Overkill 2,707]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The Prez said he the cop was run over and is lucky to be alive.

Definitely. If he didn't blow her Violent Liberal head off then he'd probably be dead. She was trying to kill him. 

Thank God for his quick trigger hand. He saved many lives from the hands of this violent anti-American Killer. 

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4 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

At heart he was a good cop with a side business 

I thought libs were ok with people doing what they have to for their family.  Vic had an autistic kid who needed expensive special schooling.

[thegeneral 3,794]

31 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I think you have a reasonable position in this thread BTW, one with which I generally agree.  I think it will be difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer wasn't in fear for his safety.  For all we know, the woman looked him in the eye with an "I got you now!" grin as she gunned it forward.  Or at least, he can say that that's what happened.

Then again, Minnesota showed they don't understand "reasonable doubt" when they paneled a jury of 12 @Fnords (who has already labeled this a murder) to inexplicably find Chauvin guilty of not manslaughter but murder, despite copious amounts of reasonable doubt.

I do think the follow-up shots are harder for the shooter to justify than the initial one through the front windshield, and that might be the focus of a prosecution.

I def want to see more footage and how this all came to be. You could see the lady waiving cars through and then multiple cars went through. Then all hell broke loose. From just this video I don’t see how it escalated so quickly.

From what we have IMO Thai cop should not be walking around with a gun with the authority to shoot people. He needs to be a mall cop if he wants to stay in this line of work, maybe carry around a wooden gun a small rubber club. 

[Horseman 2,821]

Who knows why two lesbians with lives full of bad choices would go down there?????

Why?????

[MDC 8,214]

Would’ve been nice to have a fair and clear-eyes investigation, if the President had turned the shooting into a sideshow carnival within an hour.

You can always count on Don to take the lowest road.  

[Gepetto 1,501]

37 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

According to VP Vance, who has no role in any of this, “We were going door to door to try to find criminal illegal aliens.” 

That's what they are doing? Going door to door to find illegal aliens to deport them? That's what Vance said. And I wonder how do they determine if one is illegal? People don't have citizenship cards. Birth certificates, yes, but not always around and handy. This is ridiculous. Fock JD Vance.