Woman shot in the face during 'ICE-related shooting' in Minneapolis

[Strike 6,115]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Negligence. But yeah cops a far as I know legally get leeway because of the nature of their jobs. 

The rest of my post you removed for whatever reason is the important part here to me. This ICE force needs to be put in check. The people running this thing are doing a huge disservice. 

I kept the part I was responding to.  I removed the irrelevant part to avoid confusion on what I was responding to.

[Engorgeous George 2,347]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

In case you're curious, this is the current use of force policy for DHS/ICE:

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf

Pretty similar to directives I myself have authored.  

 

In the last directive I drafted shooting at or into a moving vehicle was absolutely prohibited.  The directive came with an evaluation of such incidents showing that never in teh history of the world had a 180 grain bullet stopped a several ton mving vehicle but had, occassionally, turned that several tone projectile into an unguided projectile.  The Department for whom that directive was drafted wanted to adopt it as written.  The Unions for the Officers lobbied hard to get that portion removed and to have me removed.  They prevailed.  I do note that the main bargaining union did attempt to hire me as their attorn ey wich i turned down.  I did, however serve as an expert witness for their attorney in three different matters subsequently and before my retirement.

[Fnord 2,700]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

In case you're curious, this is the current use of force policy for DHS/ICE:

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf

Thanks for this. 

Skimming through just the first few pages is an indictment of the shooting officer's behavior. He disregarded proper policy multiple times over the course of just a few seconds of real time.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,184]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm not giving you my venmo.

As far as gunshot wounds go, as I stated, you can stand next to the front quarter panel and fire a shot into the windshield which enters the victim in the front of the face.  Try it yourself.  Stand where we see the officer standing in that frame, left quarter panel of a car.  Point your finger to look like a gun.  Point it at the windshield where a drivers head should be and it will all line up.

There. Is. Video. Evidence.

Let Jerry handle it like he did when we had our bet. Puzzy. 

[Engorgeous George 2,347]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

In case you're curious, this is the current use of force policy for DHS/ICE:

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf

You will notice if you reviewed this thread from its inception and the other parallel thread that long before the general discussion moved to thesee issues I had already begun commenting on them as work experience taught me how this would invitably evolve.

[HellToupee 2,364]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

Let’s double the ICE workforce and deploy them into US cities with less than a year of training and “absolute immunity” to carry out an aggressive new deportation strategy, under the direction of Kristi Noem, who has zero law enforcement experience.

What could go wrong?  

That’s why we should use Blackwater in conjunction with ICE

[thegeneral 3,801]

11 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Second-Degree Murder
This involves an intentional killing that was not planned in advance. It sits between the "cold-blooded" nature of first-degree murder and the "hot-blooded" nature of manslaughter.

Intent to Cause Harm: The perpetrator intended to cause serious bodily injury, and that injury resulted in death.

Depraved Heart: This refers to conduct that is so extremely reckless and shows such a "callous disregard for human life" that it results in death.

I think this shooting is absurd personally but putting that up on a cop is not going to work looking at history. 

[cyclone24 1,963]

17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm not giving you my venmo.

As far as gunshot wounds go, as I stated, you can stand next to the front quarter panel and fire a shot into the windshield which enters the victim in the front of the face.  Try it yourself.  Stand where we see the officer standing in that frame, left quarter panel of a car.  Point your finger to look like a gun.  Point it at the windshield where a drivers head should be and it will all line up.

There. Is. Video. Evidence.

Yeah, I wouldn’t either if I was you. You would lose the bet. 
 

The first shot comes right in front of the car. Not the side, right in front of it. When this comes back and we’ve got a gunshot to the front of the head, I’m dragging all of you because you’re buffoons.

[thegeneral 3,801]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

I kept the part I was responding to.  I removed the irrelevant part to avoid confusion on what I was responding to.

Ok. Personally like the bold the part you are responding to but a small quibble!

What is your opinion of the rest of that post?

[Fnord 2,700]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, I wouldn’t either if I was you. You would lose the bet. 
 

The first shot comes right in front of the car. Not the side, right in front of it. When this comes back and we’ve got a gunshot to the front of the head, I’m dragging all of you because you’re buffoons.

And when it comes back that you're wrong?

Never mind, it won't. The Feds have refused to cooperate with local cops and the MN Bureau of Apprehension has already closed their investigation as a result. The killers you support will walk away scott free to go on making poor decisions and endangering American lives. Just like you voted for, right?

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I think this shooting is absurd personally but putting that up on a cop is not going to work looking at history. 

I agree that it's unlikely that he gets convicted of murder, but just saying it fits the definition.

[thegeneral 3,801]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, I wouldn’t either if I was you. You would lose the bet. 
 

The first shot comes right in front of the car. Not the side, right in front of it. When this comes back and we’ve got a gunshot to the front of the head, I’m dragging all of you because you’re buffoons.

Question for you. Outside of this legal argument about the shooting and this cop.

Is this how you want this police force to operate? We are told they have absolute immunity, they aren’t supposed to be filmed by citizens. Do you feel comfortable with this?

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, I wouldn’t either if I was you. You would lose the bet. 
 

The first shot comes right in front of the car. Not the side, right in front of it. When this comes back and we’ve got a gunshot to the front of the head, I’m dragging all of you because you’re buffoons.

Did you see the video frame where this contradicts you?

Also I can still shoot you in the front of the head standing on the side of the car.

[Strike 6,115]

ICE doing the Lord's work despite the resistance:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2026/01/08/dhs-highlights-worst-worst-criminal-illegal-aliens-including-rapists-pedophiles-and

Such a shame the Libs hate America so much.

[cyclone24 1,963]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Did you see the video frame where this contradicts you?

Also I can still shoot you in the front of the head standing on the side of the car.

No, there’s really not. We’ve posted this thread plenty of still shots where he is right in front of it when she accelerates.

She’s going to have a gunshot in the middle of her face… so no you can’t shoot someone in the front of the face from the side like you’re trying to claim

[cyclone24 1,963]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Question for you. Outside of this legal argument about the shooting and this cop.

Is this how you want this police force to operate? We are told they have absolute immunity, they aren’t supposed to be filmed by citizens. Do you feel comfortable with this?

I don’t care about filming, but let them do their jobs. Don’t like the policy change the policy. You’re not gonna scare these guys from leaving and not doing their job.
But the left also can’t continue with this rhetoric and causing problems guys doing what is by any level rational normal work getting bad people out of our country… and then go oh poor me when something bad finally does happen because of their actions.

Those guys are not after these protesters. They’re trying to get bad guys out which for some bizarre ass reason as a problem. They are choosing to interject themselves. Well? That things eventually will happen to you if you do.

[cyclone24 1,963]

11 minutes ago, Fnord said:

And when it comes back that you're wrong?

Never mind, it won't. The Feds have refused to cooperate with local cops and the MN Bureau of Apprehension has already closed their investigation as a result. The killers you support will walk away scott free to go on making poor decisions and endangering American lives. Just like you voted for, right?

Oh yeah sorry you don’t get to want to work with the authorities when you want to but refuse to help them when they actually need you. Not the way that’s going to work. Oh, and let me guess. Which way a liberal state would run an investigation. Gee lemme me guess what the verdict on that would be.

lol no. 

[HellToupee 2,364]

9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Did you see the video frame where this contradicts you?

Also I can still shoot you in the front of the head standing on the side of the car.

Did you conclude your investigation? Why not wait until the official investigation is wrapped up . See what the FBI comes up with 

[Grace Under Pressure 255]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Question for you. Outside of this legal argument about the shooting and this cop.

Is this how you want this police force to operate? We are told they have absolute immunity, they aren’t supposed to be filmed by citizens. Do you feel comfortable with this?

The answer, as I'm sure most realize, is that if it benefits Donald Trump, then yes they are comfortable with it. If it benefits the shtlibs, then no, they don't think it's right. 

[Strike 6,115]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

I don’t care about filming, but let them do their jobs. Don’t like the policy change the policy. You’re not gonna scare these guys from leaving and not doing their job.
But the left also can’t continue with this rhetoric and causing problems guys doing what is by any level rational normal work getting bad people out of our country… and then go oh poor me when something bad finally does happen because of their actions.

Those guys are not after these protesters. They’re trying to get bad guys out which for some bizarre ass reason as a problem. They are choosing to interject themselves. Well? That things eventually will happen to you if you do.

Exactly.  And I'm not opposed to them protesting.  That's an American right.  However, it has to be done peacefully and without impeding the ability of law enforcement to do their job.  This shouldn't even be a debate.  We, as Americans, should all agree that protesting is OK when done correctly.  And this was NOT protesting being done correctly.  It's unfortunate how it ended up but that's a foreseeable consequence of these types of actions, which are encouraged by Libs.  Libs WANT this outcome.  And Walz is loving it because it's deflecting from his corruption and incompetence.

[Engorgeous George 2,347]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Thanks for this. 

Skimming through just the first few pages is an indictment of the shooting officer's behavior. He disregarded proper policy multiple times over the course of just a few seconds of real time.

He did.  Of course the incident escalated so quickly he likely may not have perceived himself as being in a use of force or deadly force situation until it was too late.  This thing went from annoying/innocuous to deadly in a very few seconds.

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

13 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

No, there’s really not. We’ve posted this thread plenty of still shots where he is right in front of it when she accelerates.

She’s going to have a gunshot in the middle of her face… so no you can’t shoot someone in the front of the face from the side like you’re trying to claim

Did you try it?  Do you own a car?  Do you have a friend?  Have the friend sit in the driver seat, and stand right where the agent is standing in that frame, left front fender.  Hold your finger out like it's a gun and aim it at the face of the driver.  Then come back and tell me I'm right.

[HellToupee 2,364]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Exactly.  And I'm not opposed to them protesting.  That's an American right.  However, it has to be done peacefully and without impeding the ability of law enforcement to do their job.  This shouldn't even be a debate.  We, as Americans, should all agree that protesting is OK when done correctly.  And this was NOT protesting being done correctly.  It's unfortunate how it ended up but that's a foreseeable consequence of these types of actions, which are encouraged by Libs.  Libs WANT this outcome.  And Walz is loving it because it's deflecting from his corruption and incompetence.

Somehow these larping freedom fighters think they can obstruct with no consequences. Plenty of videos out there of woman in particular using their cars as obstacles and to block in ice agents. They act like it’s a game to do these things

[Engorgeous George 2,347]

21 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, I wouldn’t either if I was you. You would lose the bet. 
 

The first shot comes right in front of the car. Not the side, right in front of it. When this comes back and we’ve got a gunshot to the front of the head, I’m dragging all of you because you’re buffoons.

I will not argue front or side as you two seem to want to do endlessly.  I will only note that my wrist articulates as does my elbow and to some extent my shoulder, meaning that I could stand to the side of that or any vehicle and still get off a shot directly into the drivers side windshield such that the shot would appear to come from the front.  Nutty the way the human body works.

[jerryskids 7,248]

44 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes I do.  Watch the whole video.  He walks around the right side of the vehicle while the driver is looking left.  He walks right in front of the car while she reverses.  Instead of getting out of the way, he likely says to himself, fock you I'm not letting you get away and he pulls his weapon.  As she goes into drive, he takes a side step with his weapon drawn and fires as she's driving away from him.  I think he was angry, maybe has some PTSD from the earlier incident, and didn't want to de-escalate the situation as he easily could have.  I believe he murdered her, and then immediately after he probably regretted it, just like the other agents there that just noped out of the whole situation.

Alrighty then.  I appreciate your honesty, and now we know where you are coming from.   

9 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

No, there’s really not. We’ve posted this thread plenty of still shots where he is right in front of it when she accelerates.

She’s going to have a gunshot in the middle of her face… so no you can’t shoot someone in the front of the face from the side like you’re trying to claim

I don't see how anyone could possibly know which way her head was turned for any of the shots, until we learn more.  She may have seen the gun and turned away, making a shot from the front hit the side of her head.  Or vice versa, the first shot may have turned her head into the subsequent shots.

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

ICE doing the Lord's work despite the resistance:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2026/01/08/dhs-highlights-worst-worst-criminal-illegal-aliens-including-rapists-pedophiles-and

Such a shame the Libs hate America so much.

92% of ICE Detention Growth in FY 2026 Driven by Immigrants with No Criminal Convictions

ICE published new detention data today that brings the current population to a record-high of 68,990. ICE records first detention death of 2026.

[Grace Under Pressure 255]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

He did.  Of course the incident escalated so quickly he likely may nothave percieved himself as being in a use of force or deadly force situation until it was too late.  This thing went from annoying/innocuous to deadly in a very few seconds.

The thug lost his temper and shot and killed a US citizen. Time to arrest him, let him face the multitude of charges, and let a jury decide. This is America, that's how it works. If he's not guilty like the MAGA rally goers claim, this should be no problem for them.

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

However, it has to be done peacefully and without impeding the ability of law enforcement to do their job.  This shouldn't even be a debate.  We, as Americans, should all agree that protesting is OK when done correctly.  And this was NOT protesting being done correctly.

Much respect, seriously, & thanks for the rest of the post as well, all good stuff.

Just a point here - Immigration & Customs Enforcement was not impeded by Good. They drove around her. She tried to leave. But not just that, where were they going? What address? To arrest what suspect? I don’t expect you to know, no one knows, not even Immigration & Customs Enforcement.

And you’re right, our system of government does recognize the right to protest. But the state has no rights, no powers enshrined in the Constitution. The individual is preeminent. 

[Strike 6,115]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

92% of ICE Detention Growth in FY 2026 Driven by Immigrants with No Criminal Convictions

ICE published new detention data today that brings the current population to a record-high of 68,990. ICE records first detention death of 2026.

So they're arresting illegals.  As I said, the Lord's work.  

[cyclone24 1,963]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I will not argue front or side as you two seem to want to do endlessly.  I will only note that my wrist articulates as does my elbow and to some extent my shoulder, meaning that I could stand to the side of that or any vehicle and still get off a shot directly into the drivers side windshield such that the shot would appear to come from the front.  Nutty the way the human body works.

But the premise of the liberal argument is that he had all this time he could’ve just sidestepped and that he somehow wasn’t in danger when that’s just not accurate. She backs up and like any rational normal person when there’s a car directly in front of them he knows that she’s going to put it in drive. Soon as she does, there’s a shot right through the front windshield. 

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

So they're arresting illegals.  As I said, the Lord's work.  

You think God wants poor people kicked out of their homes?  What is wrong with you?

[Frozenbeernuts 2,540]

Anyone notice that BLM and ANTIFA are majorly missing from these protests? I wonder why. Can libs explain this to me? It can't be because the money dried up, right? No that's not possible. These protesters are all super honest.

[Strike 6,115]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

You think God wants poor people kicked out of their homes?  What is wrong with you?

Illegals?  Absolutely.  God believes in law and order.  And they don't have homes in the U.S..  They're here illegally. 

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

there’s a car directly in front of them he knows that she’s going to put it in drive. Soon as she does, there’s a shot right through the front windshield. 

This is a lie and here is the receipt

 

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Illegals?  Absolutely.  God believes in law and order.  And they don't have homes in the U.S..  They're here illegally. 

I don't know what God you pray to, but God loves all people and believes in helping others, compassion, kindness.  God does not support cruelty.

If you're Catholic, the Pope does not support what ICE is doing.

[cyclone24 1,963]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

This is a lie and here is the receipt

 

Yeah, dope not the guy standing there trying to open the door. Look over his shoulder.
 

Thank you for providing evidence that the guy is literally standing in front of the vehicle

[Frozenbeernuts 2,540]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

I don't know what God you pray to, but God loves all people and believes in helping others, compassion, kindness.  God does not support cruelty.

If you're Catholic, the Pope does not support what ICE is doing.

The pope is the head of a crime organization. So his opinion doesn't matter

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, dope not the guy standing there trying to open the door. Look over his shoulder.
 

Thank you for providing evidence that the guy is literally standing in front of the vehicle

Wow, Alright.

I'm at a loss.

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

God believes in law and order. 

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Our system says nothing about God & law & order. It speaks of God & the rights of individuals. The best resources for the inherent rights of the state I’ve ever seen is the 1936 Soviet constitution.

[thegeneral 3,801]

32 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

I don’t care about filming, but let them do their jobs. Don’t like the policy change the policy. You’re not gonna scare these guys from leaving and not doing their job.
But the left also can’t continue with this rhetoric and causing problems guys doing what is by any level rational normal work getting bad people out of our country… and then go oh poor me when something bad finally does happen because of their actions.

Those guys are not after these protesters. They’re trying to get bad guys out which for some bizarre ass reason as a problem. They are choosing to interject themselves. Well? That things eventually will happen to you if you do.

The position of this administration is you cannot film this. That’s a problem though, right? Saying they have absolute immunity is a problem for sure.

The handling of this incident highlights serious problems. This lady may have been acting like a twat, but these dudes focked up. The agency is led by a political hack I’d start there.