Should the Boy Scouts accept the gheys?

[penultimatestraw 473]

Does the NAACP admit members of the KKK?

Link to them excluding KKK members?

[MDC 5,891]

And he sews patches on to a sash and then wears said sash with pride.

 

Ghey pride.

[Broheim Steamrollers 0]

Want to know how to tell if a Boy Scout is ghey? He's wearing khaki shorts and a focking scarf.

 

Touche lol. I actually happened to enjoy my time in the scouts. Who knows maybe it's turned me into a closet homo

[crackattack 513]

Not if they don't want to pretty simple really.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

exactly. why as a focking society do we need sh;t like a LGBT night at the ball park? i don't need a night for hetero S&M either....just keep that sh;t private. why do we have to expose kids to any of it??? it's a sick agenda i don't understand.

 

Because they are consistently denied rights. When you guys are ready to treat them equally under the law, I'm fine with making them STFU about it.

[drobeski 3,061]

Because they are consistently denied rights. When you guys are ready to treat them equally under the law, I'm fine with making them STFU about it.

False, and ill say it again.

Gay isn't a race, keep your perverted agenda away from kids sickos.

[gocolts 300]

Because they are consistently denied rights. When you guys are ready to treat them equally under the law, I'm fine with making them STFU about it.

You guys don't want equality, you want acceptance.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Because they are consistently denied rights. When you guys are ready to treat them equally under the law, I'm fine with making them STFU about it.

Just because you want something doesn't make it a "right". That type of thinking usually ends at 5 years old.

[Franknbeans 46]

And he sews patches on to a sash and then wears said sash with pride.

anal patch?

[MDC 5,891]

um I think they are probably gay if they dig the same sex.

They should all be kept out.

And all those enabling dirtbags in the catholic church up to the pope should be rotting in prison.

 

I'd bet that the majority of child molestors don't identify themselves as gay or have sexual relationships with same-sex adults. Most molesters aren't gay - they get off on preying on children. But whatever, nothing I could say will change your mind. I don't care if the Scouts want to limit membership, I just don't think they should be tax-exempt at the same time. Exclude whoever you want, just don't ask taxpayers to $upport your bigotry.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

Ah yes, the old Scouting is gheyer than a gay argument...

 

 

Here is a list of famous Eagle Scouts for you. Looks like this list is full of flaming h0m0s

 

•Henry Aaron - Baseball player, home run king - the Mobile Press Register quoted Henry as saying that the greatest positive influence in his life was his involvement in scouting

•Gary L. Ackerman - U.S. Representative from NY

•Bill Alexander - U.S. Representative from Arkansas

•Lamar Alexander - Lawyer, Governor of Tennessee, Secretary of Education, presidential candidate

•Neil Armstrong - astronaut, first man on moon, from Wapakoneta, OH

•Willie Banks - Olympic & world record holding track star

•Albert Belle - baseball player

•Charles E. Bennett - U.S. Representative from Florida

•William Bennett - Secretary of Education

•Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr. - Treasury Secretary & U.S. Representative from Texas

•Michael Bloomberg - Mayor of New York City, founder of Bloomberg News

•Bill Bradley - Pro basketball star and U.S. Senator from NJ

•James Brady - Press Secretary to President Reagan

•Stephen Breyer - US Supreme Court Justice

•Milton A. Caniff - Comic strip artist "Steve Canyon"

•Rear Admiral Jay M. Cohen, USN - Undersecretary of Homeland Security

•Barber B. Conable - President, World Bank

•John W. Creighton, Jr. - President & CEO of Weyerhaeuser Company

•William E. Dannemeyer - U.S. Representative from Cal.

•William Devries - M.D., transplanted first artificial heart

•Michael Dukakis - Governor of Massachusetts, presidential candidate

•LTC Aquilla James Dyess - WWII Marine, Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Arthur Eldred - First Eagle Scout

•Daniel J. Evans - Senator and Governor of Washington

•David Farabee - Texas State Representative

•Robert Edward Femoyer - WWII Army Air Force Navigator, Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Rear Admiral Eugene B. Fluckey - WWII Submarine Commander, Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Thomas Foley - Speaker of the House and U.S. Representative from Washington

•Gerald Ford - U.S. President (1st Eagle to be President) (deceased)

•Steven Fossett - Flew solo nonstop around the world in a hot air balloon and in an ultralight airplane, won the Chicago to Mackinaw boat races, competed in the Iditarod dog race, and competed in several iron man triathlons, and among other things lived the Scouting mottos both Cub and Boy Scout by doing his best and being prepared (deceased)

•Murphy J. (Mike) Foster - Governor of Louisiana

•Robert M. Gates - Director of Central Intelligence (CIA) and Secretary. of Defense

•Richard A. Gephardt - U.S. Representative from Missouri, Minority Leader

•Steve Holcomb - Olympic Gold Medal winner -4 man Bobsled

•Admiral Jay Johnson, USN - Chief of Naval Operations

•Michael Kahn - stage director, Oscar winning film editor

•William Henry Keeler - Roman Catholic Cardinal and Archbishop of Baltimore

•Larry Kellner, CEO - Continental Airlines

•Dr. Alfred Kinsey - insect biologist, human behavior researcher

•John Koncak - basketball player

•Sheldon Leonard - actor, director, producer, 3 time Emmy award winner

•Steven W. Lindsey - Astronaut - He was the pilot for STS-95 when John Glenn returned to space as a Senator. He made Eagle in Troop 161 in Temple City, California.

•Gary Locke, Governor of the State of Washington, the first Chinese-American Governor in the contiguous United States, and selected as a Distinguished Eagle Scout by NESA

•James Lovell - Navy pilot and astronaut, President of National Eagle Scout Association. Flew on Gemini 7, 12 & Apollo 8, 13 At one time had seen more sunrises than any other human being

•Richard Lugar - Senator from Indiana (presidential candidate 1996)

•J. Willard Marriott, Jr. - President, Marriott Corp.

•CDR William McCool, USN - Astronaut, Pilot of U.S. Space Shuttle Columbia

•W. Walter Menninger - Physician, civil servant

•Michael Moore - Author and filmmaker, nominated for an Oscar for "Bowling for Columbine"

•Jim Mora - NFL football coach

•Oswald "Ozzie" Nelson - actor

•Sam Nunn - U.S. Senator from Georgia

•Ellison Onizuka - Astronaut aboard the U.S. Space Shuttle Challenger (deceased)

•Steve Oswald - Astronaut, Navy Rear Admiral

•Mitchell Paige - walked 200 miles to enlist in Marines on his 18th birthday in 1936, retired as a Colonel, Medal of Honor. Presented his Eagle award in 2003 after it was verified that he'd not received it in 1936 because he'd joined the Marines. (deceased)

•Francis J. Parater - nominated for Sainthood by Diocese of Richmond, VA. died at age 22 in 1920 in Rome, while at seminary.

•H. Ross Perot - Self-made billionaire and presidential candidate

•Rick Perry - Governor, State of Texas

•J. J. Pickle - U.S. Representative from Texas, proudly displayed his Eagle plaque inside his office (deceased)

•Samuel R. Pierce - Former Sec. Housing & Urban Development

•Frederick Reines - Nobel Prize winner in Physics

•Gary Rogers - Chairman and CEO of Dreyer's Ice Cream

•Jim Rogers - CEO of Kampgrounds of America (KOA)

•Mike Rowe - Star of "Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe" on the Discovery Channel

•Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

•Harrison Salisbury - Pulitzer Prize winning author

•James Sanderson - Vice Admiral, US Navy (Ret), Deputy Chief US Atlantic Fleet

•Dr. Benjamin Lewis Salomon - WWII Army front line surgeon & Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Jeff Sessions - Senator from Alabama

•William Sessions - FBI director

•Sam Skinner - Secretary of Energy during the Bush administration and now CEO of Commonwealth Edison

•Steven Spielberg - Movie producer, from Scottsdale, AZ, made a movie of his troop while getting Photography MB. Helped to design requirements for the cinematography MB.

•Wallace Stegner - Writer and college professor, won Pulitzer Prize in 1972 for "Angle of Repose"

•Percy Sutton - Attorney, Chairman of the Board of City Broadcasting Corp.

•John Tesh - TV celebrity and pianist

•Meldrim Thomson, Jr. - 3 term governor of New Hampshire (deceased)

•Leo K. Thorsness - Vietnam War Air Force Colonel, POW, & Medal of Honor recipient

•Sam Walton - Founder, Wal-Mart (deceased)

•Togo West - Secretary of the Army and Secretary of Veterans Affairs

•Edward O. Wilson - Pellegrino University Professor and curator of entomology at the Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University

•Jay Zeamer Jr. - WWII Army Air Force pilot & Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr. - Admiral, Chief of Naval Operations

 

 

 

Ok so maybe John Tesh is a flaming h0m0 but the rest...not so much

 

 

 

Now lets look at others that were in scouting that never earned their Eagle Scout...

 

•Richard Dean Anderson - taught Reptile Study, actor

•Charles F. Barber - CEO of American Smelting & refining

•Jimmy Buffett - musician and singer

•George W. Bush - Cub Scout, President of the United States

•Bill Clinton - Cub Scout, President of the United States

•Walter Cronkite - newsman

•Harrison Ford - Life, taught Reptile Study, actor "Indiana Jones" & "Han Solo"

•Bill Gates - Life, founder of Microsoft Corp.

•Richard Gere - Actor

•Andy Griffith - Actor

•David Hartman - TV personality

•Dan Jansen - Olympic Gold Medal - Speed Skating

•Bruce Jenner - Olympic Gold Medal - Decathlon

•John F Kennedy - First US President who was a Scout - See his note to his father about an allowance increase for Scouting

•Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. -Civil rights leader

•Branford Marsalis - Life Scout, Jazz musician

•Bruce Edward Melnick - Astronaut

•Norman Y. Mineta - Mayor of San Jose, CA, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Commerce. Japanese-American, spent WWII in an internment camp in Wyoming, where he met Alan Simpson. (see below)

•Sir Paul McCartney - Rock N Roll, Beatles (UK)

•Jim Morrison - Rock N Roll

•Barack Obama - President of the United States

•Merlin Olson - Pro football player and sportscaster

•Eddie Rabbitt - Country & Western singer

•John Ritter - actor, son of singer Tex Ritter (deceased)

•Richard Roundtree - actor

•Nolan Ryan - pro baseball pitcher

•Alberto Salazar - Life, 3 time winner NY marathon

•John Schneider - Actor, Dukes of Hazard

•Alan Simpson - US Senator from Wyoming. - Boy Scout in Cody Wyoming, where he visited fellow Scouts in a Japanese-American internment camp, and met Norman Mineta (see above), who became his life-long friend. Helped pass the Japanese-American Compensation Act.

•Howard K. Smith - TV newsman

•Mark Spitz - winner of 7 Olympic Gold Medals in swimming

•James Stewart - actor, USAF Brig. General, B-17 pilot in WWII

•George Strait - Singer

•George Takei - actor, Mr. Sulu of Star Trek

•Joe Theisman - Life, former QB, Washington Redskins

•Peter Uberroth - Cub Scout, Commissioner of Baseball

•Paul Winfield - Cub Scout, Actor

[MDC 5,891]

Ah yes, the old Scouting is gheyer than a gay argument...

 

 

Here is a list of famous Eagle Scouts for you. Looks like this list is full of flaming h0m0s

 

•Henry Aaron - Baseball player, home run king - the Mobile Press Register quoted Henry as saying that the greatest positive influence in his life was his involvement in scouting

•Gary L. Ackerman - U.S. Representative from NY

•Bill Alexander - U.S. Representative from Arkansas

•Lamar Alexander - Lawyer, Governor of Tennessee, Secretary of Education, presidential candidate

•Neil Armstrong - astronaut, first man on moon, from Wapakoneta, OH

•Willie Banks - Olympic & world record holding track star

•Albert Belle - baseball player

•Charles E. Bennett - U.S. Representative from Florida

•William Bennett - Secretary of Education

•Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr. - Treasury Secretary & U.S. Representative from Texas

•Michael Bloomberg - Mayor of New York City, founder of Bloomberg News

•Bill Bradley - Pro basketball star and U.S. Senator from NJ

•James Brady - Press Secretary to President Reagan

•Stephen Breyer - US Supreme Court Justice

•Milton A. Caniff - Comic strip artist "Steve Canyon"

•Rear Admiral Jay M. Cohen, USN - Undersecretary of Homeland Security

•Barber B. Conable - President, World Bank

•John W. Creighton, Jr. - President & CEO of Weyerhaeuser Company

•William E. Dannemeyer - U.S. Representative from Cal.

•William Devries - M.D., transplanted first artificial heart

•Michael Dukakis - Governor of Massachusetts, presidential candidate

•LTC Aquilla James Dyess - WWII Marine, Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Arthur Eldred - First Eagle Scout

•Daniel J. Evans - Senator and Governor of Washington

•David Farabee - Texas State Representative

•Robert Edward Femoyer - WWII Army Air Force Navigator, Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Rear Admiral Eugene B. Fluckey - WWII Submarine Commander, Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Thomas Foley - Speaker of the House and U.S. Representative from Washington

•Gerald Ford - U.S. President (1st Eagle to be President) (deceased)

•Steven Fossett - Flew solo nonstop around the world in a hot air balloon and in an ultralight airplane, won the Chicago to Mackinaw boat races, competed in the Iditarod dog race, and competed in several iron man triathlons, and among other things lived the Scouting mottos both Cub and Boy Scout by doing his best and being prepared (deceased)

•Murphy J. (Mike) Foster - Governor of Louisiana

•Robert M. Gates - Director of Central Intelligence (CIA) and Secretary. of Defense

•Richard A. Gephardt - U.S. Representative from Missouri, Minority Leader

•Steve Holcomb - Olympic Gold Medal winner -4 man Bobsled

•Admiral Jay Johnson, USN - Chief of Naval Operations

•Michael Kahn - stage director, Oscar winning film editor

•William Henry Keeler - Roman Catholic Cardinal and Archbishop of Baltimore

•Larry Kellner, CEO - Continental Airlines

•Dr. Alfred Kinsey - insect biologist, human behavior researcher

•John Koncak - basketball player

•Sheldon Leonard - actor, director, producer, 3 time Emmy award winner

•Steven W. Lindsey - Astronaut - He was the pilot for STS-95 when John Glenn returned to space as a Senator. He made Eagle in Troop 161 in Temple City, California.

•Gary Locke, Governor of the State of Washington, the first Chinese-American Governor in the contiguous United States, and selected as a Distinguished Eagle Scout by NESA

•James Lovell - Navy pilot and astronaut, President of National Eagle Scout Association. Flew on Gemini 7, 12 & Apollo 8, 13 At one time had seen more sunrises than any other human being

•Richard Lugar - Senator from Indiana (presidential candidate 1996)

•J. Willard Marriott, Jr. - President, Marriott Corp.

•CDR William McCool, USN - Astronaut, Pilot of U.S. Space Shuttle Columbia

•W. Walter Menninger - Physician, civil servant

•Michael Moore - Author and filmmaker, nominated for an Oscar for "Bowling for Columbine"

•Jim Mora - NFL football coach

•Oswald "Ozzie" Nelson - actor

•Sam Nunn - U.S. Senator from Georgia

•Ellison Onizuka - Astronaut aboard the U.S. Space Shuttle Challenger (deceased)

•Steve Oswald - Astronaut, Navy Rear Admiral

•Mitchell Paige - walked 200 miles to enlist in Marines on his 18th birthday in 1936, retired as a Colonel, Medal of Honor. Presented his Eagle award in 2003 after it was verified that he'd not received it in 1936 because he'd joined the Marines. (deceased)

•Francis J. Parater - nominated for Sainthood by Diocese of Richmond, VA. died at age 22 in 1920 in Rome, while at seminary.

•H. Ross Perot - Self-made billionaire and presidential candidate

•Rick Perry - Governor, State of Texas

•J. J. Pickle - U.S. Representative from Texas, proudly displayed his Eagle plaque inside his office (deceased)

•Samuel R. Pierce - Former Sec. Housing & Urban Development

•Frederick Reines - Nobel Prize winner in Physics

•Gary Rogers - Chairman and CEO of Dreyer's Ice Cream

•Jim Rogers - CEO of Kampgrounds of America (KOA)

•Mike Rowe - Star of "Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe" on the Discovery Channel

•Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

•Harrison Salisbury - Pulitzer Prize winning author

•James Sanderson - Vice Admiral, US Navy (Ret), Deputy Chief US Atlantic Fleet

•Dr. Benjamin Lewis Salomon - WWII Army front line surgeon & Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Jeff Sessions - Senator from Alabama

•William Sessions - FBI director

•Sam Skinner - Secretary of Energy during the Bush administration and now CEO of Commonwealth Edison

•Steven Spielberg - Movie producer, from Scottsdale, AZ, made a movie of his troop while getting Photography MB. Helped to design requirements for the cinematography MB.

•Wallace Stegner - Writer and college professor, won Pulitzer Prize in 1972 for "Angle of Repose"

•Percy Sutton - Attorney, Chairman of the Board of City Broadcasting Corp.

•John Tesh - TV celebrity and pianist

•Meldrim Thomson, Jr. - 3 term governor of New Hampshire (deceased)

•Leo K. Thorsness - Vietnam War Air Force Colonel, POW, & Medal of Honor recipient

•Sam Walton - Founder, Wal-Mart (deceased)

•Togo West - Secretary of the Army and Secretary of Veterans Affairs

•Edward O. Wilson - Pellegrino University Professor and curator of entomology at the Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University

•Jay Zeamer Jr. - WWII Army Air Force pilot & Medal of Honor recipient (deceased)

•Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr. - Admiral, Chief of Naval Operations

 

 

 

Ok so maybe John Tesh is a flaming h0m0 but the rest...not so much

 

 

 

Now lets look at others that were in scouting that never earned their Eagle Scout...

 

•Richard Dean Anderson - taught Reptile Study, actor

•Charles F. Barber - CEO of American Smelting & refining

•Jimmy Buffett - musician and singer

•George W. Bush - Cub Scout, President of the United States

•Bill Clinton - Cub Scout, President of the United States

•Walter Cronkite - newsman

•Harrison Ford - Life, taught Reptile Study, actor "Indiana Jones" & "Han Solo"

•Bill Gates - Life, founder of Microsoft Corp.

•Richard Gere - Actor

•Andy Griffith - Actor

•David Hartman - TV personality

•Dan Jansen - Olympic Gold Medal - Speed Skating

•Bruce Jenner - Olympic Gold Medal - Decathlon

•John F Kennedy - First US President who was a Scout - See his note to his father about an allowance increase for Scouting

•Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. -Civil rights leader

•Branford Marsalis - Life Scout, Jazz musician

•Bruce Edward Melnick - Astronaut

•Norman Y. Mineta - Mayor of San Jose, CA, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Commerce. Japanese-American, spent WWII in an internment camp in Wyoming, where he met Alan Simpson. (see below)

•Sir Paul McCartney - Rock N Roll, Beatles (UK)

•Jim Morrison - Rock N Roll

•Barack Obama - President of the United States

•Merlin Olson - Pro football player and sportscaster

•Eddie Rabbitt - Country & Western singer

•John Ritter - actor, son of singer Tex Ritter (deceased)

•Richard Roundtree - actor

•Nolan Ryan - pro baseball pitcher

•Alberto Salazar - Life, 3 time winner NY marathon

•John Schneider - Actor, Dukes of Hazard

•Alan Simpson - US Senator from Wyoming. - Boy Scout in Cody Wyoming, where he visited fellow Scouts in a Japanese-American internment camp, and met Norman Mineta (see above), who became his life-long friend. Helped pass the Japanese-American Compensation Act.

•Howard K. Smith - TV newsman

•Mark Spitz - winner of 7 Olympic Gold Medals in swimming

•James Stewart - actor, USAF Brig. General, B-17 pilot in WWII

•George Strait - Singer

•George Takei - actor, Mr. Sulu of Star Trek

•Joe Theisman - Life, former QB, Washington Redskins

•Peter Uberroth - Cub Scout, Commissioner of Baseball

•Paul Winfield - Cub Scout, Actor

 

Lighten up, phag.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

Lighten up, phag.

I feel sorry for you. If you only had a male influence in your younger years maybe you wouldn't have turned into a coffee fetching secretary.

[drobeski 3,061]

I feel sorry for you. If you only had a male influence in your younger years maybe you wouldn't have turned into a coffee fetching secretary.

He did have male influence. In his bum hole

[jerryskids 5,206]

Because they are consistently denied rights. When you guys are ready to treat them equally under the law, I'm fine with making them STFU about it.

One of the things I like about our country is: when it comes to children, we tend to be a little slow in adopting the latest progressive cause du jour. While there is evidence of a physiological component in some (many?) gheys, it is far from 100% conclusive. When we have shown that 100% of all gheys are 100% physiologically compelled to be ghey, and there is no behavioral/environmental component whatsoever, then I think your argument has merit.

[MDC 5,891]

I feel sorry for you. If you only had a male influence in your younger years maybe you wouldn't have turned into a coffee fetching secretary.

 

I feel sorry for you: You're a semi-literate hillbilly bigot. Normal people think of you as a subhuman monkey person and you don't even know it. You're too busy looking down at your superiors.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

I feel sorry for you: You're a semi-literate hillbilly bigot. Normal people think of you as a subhuman monkey person and you don't even know it. You're too busy looking down at your superiors.

 

 

Racist

[MDC 5,891]

Racist

 

Seriously, you are a dirtbag loser. I thank God every day that I had parents who had class and values and not white trash pieces of sh1t like your mom and dad.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

MDC is still pixxed at the Boy Scouts for banning him for being a pole smoker.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

Seriously, you are a dirtbag loser. I thank God every day that I had parents who had class and values and not white trash pieces of sh1t like your mom and dad.

I'm a dirtbag loser and you live in Fishtown. Irony, catch it.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

MDC is still pixxed at the Boy Scouts for banning him for being a pole smoker.

I'm beging to think they did give him the boot. Either that or they just took one look at him and said we'll pass.

[phillybear 364]

Seriously, you are a dirtbag loser. I thank God every day that I had parents who had class and values and not white trash pieces of sh1t like your mom and dad.

 

Your roots are spread in the heart of White Trash, Philadelphia. You are saving money to afford rent in a crack house, you silly fruit. When is the last time you slept on a mattress that wasn't laying on the floor and wiggling from silverfish?

[MDC 5,891]

I'm a dirtbag loser and you live in Fishtown. Irony, catch it.

 

You're a focking bigot who wishes death on other people's kids. Every rightminded person in the world thinks you're a POS. Way to live down to the redneck stereotype. I'd say your parents must be ashamed but I figure they're probably no class racist ass holes like you.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

False, and ill say it again.

Gay isn't a race, keep your perverted agenda away from kids sickos.

 

 

You guys don't want equality, you want acceptance.

 

 

Just because you want something doesn't make it a "right". That type of thinking usually ends at 5 years old.

 

 

One of the things I like about our country is: when it comes to children, we tend to be a little slow in adopting the latest progressive cause du jour. While there is evidence of a physiological component in some (many?) gheys, it is far from 100% conclusive. When we have shown that 100% of all gheys are 100% physiologically compelled to be ghey, and there is no behavioral/environmental component whatsoever, then I think your argument has merit.

 

Look, here's the thing...

 

I'm not asking the boy scouts to have a big "gay is ok" campfire kumbaya singalong.

 

I just think that tolerance is a virtue, and as an organization that instills virtue, they should practice it.

 

I don't really care if ghey is psychological, or inborn, or whatever. It comes down to this...

 

1. They want to do it.

 

2. It doesn't hurt anybody.

 

3. Therefore, its none of my focking business, and I shouldn't stand in their way.

 

I would want my son to become a kind, tolerant man who respects the right of others to be what they want to be and live how they want to live, so long as they are not infringing the rights of others.

 

Guess I'd have to find somewhere else to take him to help him learn that, as the BSA has become a bunch of intolerant fringe lunatics. Its a shame, I loved scouting when I was a kid.

[jerryskids 5,206]

Look, here's the thing...

 

I'm not asking the boy scouts to have a big "gay is ok" campfire kumbaya singalong.

 

I just think that tolerance is a virtue, and as an organization that instills virtue, they should practice it.

 

I don't really care if ghey is psychological, or inborn, or whatever. It comes down to this...

 

1. They want to do it.

 

2. It doesn't hurt anybody.

 

3. Therefore, its none of my focking business, and I shouldn't stand in their way.

 

I would want my son to become a kind, tolerant man who respects the right of others to be what they want to be and live how they want to live, so long as they are not infringing the rights of others.

 

Guess I'd have to find somewhere else to take him to help him learn that, as the BSA has become a bunch of intolerant fringe lunatics. Its a shame, I loved scouting when I was a kid.

I'm not sure what your point is. I think you are trying to say "if gays want to be gay, I don't care." I'm OK with that, but...

 

1. I don't know what "It doesn't hurt anybody" means. If you mean it doesn't hurt anyone to be ghey, I disagree. To the extent that homosexuality is influenced by environment, all things considered I would want my children to choose a hetero lifestyle.

2. I understand your point about virtue. But I would prefer to control my children's education about homosexuality, vs. the uncontrolled nature of camping. I don't know what it was like when you were a scout, but my camping trips growing up were not terribly supervised. There was a certain "learn to survive on your own" component, both in the wilderness and in the social interactions with peers.

[MDC 5,891]

I'm not sure what your point is. I think you are trying to say "if gays want to be gay, I don't care." I'm OK with that, but...

 

1. I don't know what "It doesn't hurt anybody" means. If you mean it doesn't hurt anyone to be ghey, I disagree. To the extent that homosexuality is influenced by environment, all things considered I would want my children to choose a hetero lifestyle.

2. I understand your point about virtue. But I would prefer to control my children's education about homosexuality, vs. the uncontrolled nature of camping. I don't know what it was like when you were a scout, but my camping trips growing up were not terribly supervised. There was a certain "learn to survive on your own" component, both in the wilderness and in the social interactions with peers.

 

Again, organizations that feel this way should pay taxes just like anyone else. Nobody would ever argue that a private organization doesn't have the right to restrict membership any way they want. The only issue anyone has with the Scouts is that they are also tax exempt, essentially asking people who can't even belong to the BSA to pay for public services they enjoy.

[Mike Honcho 4,034]

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/nbc-snl-90s/canteenboympg

[jerryskids 5,206]

Again, organizations that feel this way should pay taxes just like anyone else. Nobody would ever argue that a private organization doesn't have the right to restrict membership any way they want. The only issue anyone has with the Scouts is that they are also tax exempt, essentially asking people who can't even belong to the BSA to pay for public services they enjoy.

 

That argument makes no sense. Girls can't belong either, and there are age limits. Lots of people in the US are already prohibited from joining.

[MDC 5,891]

That argument makes no sense. Girls can't belong either, and there are age limits. Lots of people in the US are already prohibited from joining.

 

I'd say that preventing gheys from joining has more in common with for example preventing blacks or Jews from joining than limiting membership to boys of a certain age.

[drobeski 3,061]

I'd say that preventing gheys from joining has more in common with for example preventing blacks or Jews from joining than limiting membership to boys of a certain age.

the good ole ass ckown victimization mentality, alive and well.

[penultimatestraw 473]

That argument makes no sense. Girls can't belong either, and there are age limits. Lots of people in the US are already prohibited from joining.

Did the court case I mentioned make any sense?

[jerryskids 5,206]

Did the court case I mentioned make any sense?

Why yes, yes it did. You have an annoying way of trying to make a point without actually trying to make it, and leaving it to the reader as an exercise. Anyway, here it is:

 

Bob Jones University v. United States, 461 U.S. 574 (1983), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court holding that the religion clauses of the First Amendment do not prohibit the Internal Revenue Service from revoking the tax exempt status of a religious university whose practices are contrary to a compelling government public policy, such as eradicating racial discrimination.

 

You didn't provide a link, which is a shame as I would have liked to have read more. Anyway, I stated that merely excluding some people was not sufficient. You have now added "compelling government public policy," and used racial discrimination as an example. Racial discrimination is legally prohibited, so that helps to make it "compelling." Further, the SCOTUS in the recent Empire of Obama v. Arizona case made it very clear that public policy du jour is not compelling. So come back to me when homosexuality has similar protections. I think that is inevitable btw, but when it happens, I predict that it will be not... quite... the same protection as say race, particularly in dealing with children. But I guess we'll see if and when that happens.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

the good ole ass ckown victimization mentality, alive and well.

 

the good ole ass clown bigot judgemental mentality, alive and well.

 

The thing you guys don't seem to get... Ghey is not a big deal to kids anymore. Ghey kids go to your son's school. They are in his extracurricular activities.

 

You really think your son is going to "try it" just because the guy in the next tent is ghey? If so, your kid was already ghey. Nobody doesn't suck a cack just because they can't find one to suck.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Why yes, yes it did. You have an annoying way of trying to make a point without actually trying to make it, and leaving it to the reader as an exercise. Anyway, here it is:

 

 

 

You didn't provide a link, which is a shame as I would have liked to have read more. Anyway, I stated that merely excluding some people was not sufficient. You have now added "compelling government public policy," and used racial discrimination as an example. Racial discrimination is legally prohibited, so that helps to make it "compelling." Further, the SCOTUS in the recent Empire of Obama v. Arizona case made it very clear that public policy du jour is not compelling. So come back to me when homosexuality has similar protections. I think that is inevitable btw, but when it happens, I predict that it will be not... quite... the same protection as say race, particularly in dealing with children. But I guess we'll see if and when that happens.

I give people some credit to connect the dots. Forgive me if you need everything spelled out. I already mentioned protection based on sexual preference.

While it is mostly geared towards employment, there are other instances including military service, housing, education, medical care, etc. where laws exist to deter this type of behavior.

Here is a relevant wikipedia link: My link Admittedly the federal government hasn't been all-in on LGBT rights, but it seems you are willing to acknowledge that is the direction we are headed - it isn't just policy du jour.

[NewbieJr 540]

the good ole ass clown bigot judgemental mentality, alive and well.

 

The thing you guys don't seem to get... Ghey is not a big deal to kids anymore. Ghey kids go to your son's school. They are in his extracurricular activities.

 

You really think your son is going to "try it" just because the guy in the next tent is ghey? If so, your kid was already ghey. Nobody doesn't suck a cack just because they can't find one to suck.

This is a sensitive subject with Drobeski. Having no neck, blowjobs were next to impossible for him. He just couldn't bob his head. So when he'd suck the other guy's dicks, they'd simply hold his head still and fock his face. He finally started getting low self-esteem because the other kids called him cack receptacle. He started hating gheys in his late teens.

[MDC 5,891]

The other angle of this whole thing is that as much as it's been studied, openly gay men are no more likely to molest boys than "straight" men. Chesters almost never have relationships with ghey adult men - they're Chesters because they like to prey on children.

 

You probably have less to fear from the openly ghey troop leader than any other adult. The ghey guy will be under more scrutiny and doesn't fit the profile of a molester. The Sandusky type probably goes to church and has a wife at home so you won't suspect anything when Junior can't sit down right for a week after he gets back from his camping trip.

 

Course, we all know this is just about irrationally stigmatizing ghey people and all this stuff about "The children! Think about the CHILDREN!" is just an excuse.

[Frank M 181]

True. However, not all scouts are 10 yrs old -- the traditional program goes until 18. Although in the article I posted, at issue was a lesbian leader, which means she likes... women vs. men, which should make the boys safer, no? Also, when I was in Scouts there was a certain Christian component -- all of our troops were affiliated with churches where I grew up, and we attended an annual service to "show off" to the congregation.

 

Also, the policy extends to children, and a 14 yr old ghey boy is likely to be attracted to other 14 yr old boys. Perhaps that is a separate question though -- should the Scouts let in openly ghey boys?

 

So boys in the company of a gay man are not safe?

[Frank M 181]

The other angle of this whole thing is that as much as it's been studied, openly gay men are no more likely to molest boys than "straight" men. Chesters almost never have relationships with ghey adult men - they're Chesters because they like to prey on children.

 

You probably have less to fear from the openly ghey troop leader than any other adult. The ghey guy will be under more scrutiny and doesn't fit the profile of a molester. The Sandusky type probably goes to church and has a wife at home so you won't suspect anything when Junior can't sit down right for a week after he gets back from his camping trip.

 

Course, we all know this is just about irrationally stigmatizing ghey people and all this stuff about "The children! Think about the CHILDREN!" is just an excuse.

 

+1

 

I love how the knuckledraggers here think that if a gay man wants to do the same thing a straight man can do freely, ie, become a scoutmaster, all of a sudden, he is "pushing the gay agenda".

[jerryskids 5,206]

So boys in the company of a gay man are not safe?

I was pointing out that to the extent that one believes that boys in the company of a gay man might not be safe, that had no bearing in this case because the woman was a lesbian, and that boys would be safer with her than they would be with a hetero woman. But your gaydar hypersensitivity is wound so tight that apparently you missed it.

[BunnysBastatrds 1,916]

So boys in the company of a gay man are not safe?

 

 

Would you have a problem if the Boy Scouts came out an publicly said they do not want boys of parents involved with the KKK to join the Boy Scouts?