Do you think Sonia Sotomayor is a racist?

[surferskin 30]

After the "wise latina" comment and the fire fighter ruling, you could certainly make the case.

[phillybear 366]

Doesn't matter. When you win the presidential race, and when the time comes to appoint a judge, to the victor go the spoils. It's just the way it is. Rubber stamp Charles Manson if you want. Automatic.

[surferskin 30]

Doesn't matter. When you win the presidential race, and when the time comes to appoint a judge, to the victor go the spoils. It's just the way it is. Rubber stamp Charles Manson if you want. Automatic.

Tell that to Robert Bork.

[RLLD 4,230]

There is no question she is a racist.

 

The real question is her position relative to interpretation of law. The fact that she is a racist is only peripherally relevant. Were she a white male it would be the only pertinent thing, but once you accept that the field is uneven, you can get by it.

[surferskin 30]

There is no question she is a racist.

 

The real question is her position relative to interpretation of law.

Again, you could make the case that she did apply that racism in the fire fighter case.

[RLLD 4,230]

Again, you could make the case that she did apply that racism in the fire fighter case.

 

Yes, you certainly could. If I were considering her nomination I would have to, more from her interpretation of the law.

 

The inescapable truth is that Africans, Latinos, and others, are all permitted to be racists and get away with it. The only people held accountable for such behavior are Caucasians, and more so males...we can rail against this all day long, but that is the reality, so if we can accept that while she is racist in her views and application of the law, then we must factor that into the decision, but it cannot be the determining factor as she is neither male nor Caucasian.....not my rule, just the way society works brother....

[peenie 1,915]

can someone explain to me in brief detail why you think she's racist?

what was the context in which she used the term "wise latina" and what was her ruling on fire fighters?

i haven't been keeping up with the news lately.

[kutulu 1,676]

I'm not really sure. I saw a picture of her and she is butt-ugly. After realizing this I decided I didn't want to learn anything more about her.

[kpbuckeye 3]

can someone explain to me in brief detail why you think she's racist?

what was the context in which she used the term "wise latina" and what was her ruling on fire fighters?

i haven't been keeping up with the news lately.

 

bc if a white guy used the term 'wise white man' he would be ruined.

[surferskin 30]

can someone explain to me in brief detail why you think she's racist?

what was the context in which she used the term "wise latina" and what was her ruling on fire fighters?

i haven't been keeping up with the news lately.

First, she makes like 7 different speeches where she talks about her life experiences as a "wise Latina" and how the riches of these experiences would lead her to a better conclusion than a white man. Then she rules against a buncha white fighter fighters, when the law was on their side. Is this what she meant by coming to a better conclusion than a white man?

[wiffleball 4,790]

can someone explain to me in brief detail why you think she's racist?

what was the context in which she used the term "wise latina" and what was her ruling on fire fighters?

i haven't been keeping up with the news lately.

 

 

Leahy gave Sotomayor the opportunity to comment on criticism over her past statements that she hoped "a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

 

"No words I have ever spoken or written have received so much attention," Sotomayor said of the statement from past speeches to law students, particularly Hispanic students.

 

"I was trying to inspire them to believe that their life experiences would enrich the legal system, because different life experiences and backgrounds always do," she said. "I don't think that there is a quarrel with that in our society." iReport.com: Share your thoughts on the Sotomayor hearings

 

 

The inherent paradox of her statement is that she then is less qualified to reach a better conclusion on matters that involve white males.

[KSB2424 3,148]

The law and constitution should be color blind. It should be interpreted, ruled on, and meted out without fear or favor. Considering it is apparent this person cannot check her race at the judicial door, then she gets a big fat thumbs down from me.

[peenie 1,915]

hmm.....interesting. i will have to think about that for a second.

well, the part that is offensive is not her calling herself a wise latina, because that is what she is.

the offensive part is assuming that she could better rule on an issue because she is latina (vs white male).

 

so what happened with the fire fighters?

[surferskin 30]

hmm.....interesting. i will have to think about that for a second.

well, the part that is offensive is not her calling herself a wise latina, because that is what she is.

the offensive part is assuming that she could better rule on an issue because she is latina (vs white male).

 

so what happened with the fire fighters?

They eventually won their case after it got appealed to the Supreme Court.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Dropping it to the level of "racism" plays to her favor. The real issue is that she's a lock to be a judge that aims to legislate from the bench.

[peenie 1,915]

i mean, what were the circumstances? who went to court and why?

don't make me google it.

i'm supposed to be working.

[surferskin 30]

i mean, what were the circumstances? who went to court and why?

don't make me google it.

i'm supposed to be working.

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...mp;hl=Sotomayor

[wiffleball 4,790]

The law and constitution should be color blind. It should be interpreted, ruled on, and meted out without fear or favor. Considering it is apparent this person cannot check her race at the judicial door, then she gets a big fat thumbs down from me.

 

Ya know, I'm the last guy to post this. And I really can't stand LBJ. But he had an interesting quote that's challenged me for years of which your post reminds me:

 

 

You do not wipe away the scars of centuries by saying: 'now, you are free to go where you want, do as you desire, and choose the leaders you please.' You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result.

 

That bolded part is very descriptive. And very challenging. In the context of your post, the law and consitution could be color blind only if the rest of the American experience was too. I think (remember who's saying this) that there are times when race and history and context should be considered.

[DAVID RUFFIN 2]

Again, you could make the case that she did apply that racism in the fire fighter case.

 

I believe her ruling was unanimous or close to it.

[surferskin 30]

I believe her ruling was unanimous or close to it.

What's your point? There's more racist judges?

[DAVID RUFFIN 2]

What's your point? There's more racist judges?

 

 

Yeah that's it, all the judges were racist.

[Johnny B Good 0]

bc if a white guy used the term 'wise white man' he would be ruined.

[surferskin 30]

Yeah that's it, all the judges were racist.

Maybe they are...I don't know. But I do know that they were wrong. I'm also saying based on previous speeches why I think Sotomayor was wrong. Draw your own conclusions.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Ya know, I'm the last guy to post this. And I really can't stand LBJ. But he had an interesting quote that's challenged me for years of which your post reminds me:

That bolded part is very descriptive. And very challenging. In the context of your post, the law and consitution could be color blind only if the rest of the American experience was too. I think (remember who's saying this) that there are times when race and history and context should be considered.

While poetic, thoughtful, and challenging, I think LBJ got it wrong. There are no shades of 'equal'. Showing favoritism will only hurt the person being favored in the long run; even if it is to right a past wrong. While nice in theory, I think it only continues to hold them back.

[peenie 1,915]

i think we don't have enough information to determine why the tests were thrown out.

was there a claim of cheating? meaning, did white superiors give pre-help or answers to favored white candidates?

is that test the only way to receive a promotion? what about task/physical skill tests?

is there a correlation if you score well on the SAT or ACT do you automatically score well on the fire fighter test? therefore, your years on the force aren't really tested, but rather how well you've been educated or well you take standardized tests is really tested?

 

other than cheating i don't see why the tests were not valid.

 

...wait, but no one received a promotion. they simply threw out the test.

 

wait, i read more:

it discovered that no African-Americans had scored high enough on a civil service test to qualify to become a lieutenant or a captain.

it was a simple civil service test??? wth?? sorry, no sympathy here. i thought it was some sort of new test.

[wiffleball 4,790]

i think we don't have enough information to determine why the tests were thrown out.

was there a claim of cheating? meaning, did white superiors give pre-help or answers to favored white candidates?

is that test the only way to receive a promotion? what about task/physical skill tests?

is there a correlation if you score well on the SAT or ACT do you automatically score well on the fire fighter test? therefore, your years on the force aren't really tested, but rather how well you've been educated or well you take standardized tests is really tested?

 

other than cheating i don't see why the tests were not valid.

 

Neither did the Supremes. But Sonya thought differently. Now she wants to be part of that Group.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

i think we don't have enough information to determine why the tests were thrown out.

was there a claim of cheating? meaning, did white superiors give pre-help or answers to favored white candidates?

is that test the only way to receive a promotion? what about task/physical skill tests?

is there a correlation if you score well on the SAT or ACT do you automatically score well on the fire fighter test? therefore, your years on the force aren't really tested, but rather how well you've been educated or well you take standardized tests is really tested?

 

other than cheating i don't see why the tests were not valid.

 

Cmon peenie, if the answer was that simple, it wouldn't have gone all the way to the Supreme Court.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,439]

Do courts make policy? I thought that was the legislatures job? Don't we have four branches of goverment?

 

[DAVID RUFFIN 2]

Maybe they are...I don't know. But I do know that they were wrong. I'm also saying based on previous speeches why I think Sotomayor was wrong. Draw your own conclusions.

 

 

I'm not saying her ruling was the correct one. I'm just not sure it was a racism thing.

[jerryskids 6,793]

Doesn't matter. When you win the presidential race, and when the time comes to appoint a judge, to the victor go the spoils. It's just the way it is. Rubber stamp Charles Manson if you want. Automatic.

 

Also I don't think the repubs are going to put up too much of a fight; rather they'll save their bullets for the health care debate.

 

Also, it is foolish to think that your life experiences would not influence your judging. If it were that simple to interpret the situation, we'd just plug each case into an appeal-o-matic program and spit out the answer.

[Fireballer 2,642]

i think we don't have enough information to determine why the tests were thrown out.

was there a claim of cheating? meaning, did white superiors give pre-help or answers to favored white candidates?

is that test the only way to receive a promotion? what about task/physical skill tests?

is there a correlation if you score well on the SAT or ACT do you automatically score well on the fire fighter test? therefore, your years on the force aren't really tested, but rather how well you've been educated or well you take standardized tests is really tested?

 

other than cheating i don't see why the tests were not valid.

 

...wait, but no one received a promotion. they simply threw out the test.

 

wait, i read more:

 

it was a simple civil service test??? wth?? sorry, no sympathy here. i thought it was some sort of new test.

 

The city threw out the test, they say, because they feared a law suit from minorities. The test was provided by a third party that provides promotional examinations fire depts. all over the U.S. The city said that the testing process was "disparate" against minorities. The written test was only part of the final rankings. An oral assessment center was given also. This places the candidate in different scenerios that they may encounter as an officer. The assessors are fire service profossionals from across the US. They chose a wide variety of people to be assessors. Approx. 66% of the assessors were minorities. Each candidate is assessed by a panel of 3 assessors on each scenerio. Purposely, a hispanic, an african-american, and a caucasian were placed on each panel.

[wiffleball 4,790]

 

Also I don't think the repubs are going to put up too much of a fight; rather they'll save their bullets for the health care debate.

 

Also, it is foolish to think that your life experiences would not influence your judging. If it were that simple to interpret the situation, we'd just plug each case into an appeal-o-matic program and spit out the answer.

 

The other aspect of this is that the GOP has already taken heat from the latinas for going after her. They're focked. They lost the last election largely because they lost the latinas in key swing states. Any senator that goes after SotoGovernor too hard will hear not only from the latinas, but likely from the GOP itself.

 

They'll likely assign one or two pitbulls who are either on their way out or bulletproof, but they're keeping their powder dry on this one.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,439]

The Supreme Court is starting to look like the Bad News Bears.

[peenie 1,915]

The city threw out the test, they say, because they feared a law suit from minorities. The test was provided by a third party that provides promotional examinations fire depts. all over the U.S. The city said that the testing process was "disparate" against minorities. The written test was only part of the final rankings. An oral assessment center was given also. This places the candidate in different scenerios that they may encounter as an officer. The assessors are fire service profossionals from across the US. They chose a wide variety of people to be assessors. Approx. 66% of the assessors were minorities. Each candidate is assessed by a panel of 3 assessors on each scenerio. Purposely, a hispanic, an african-american, and a caucasian were placed on each panel.

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oooooohh-wah.

 

interesting.

i wonder if the minorities on the force also thought the test was fair?

i mean, if no one was complaining they should've reinstated the test.

 

thank you fireball!

[MDC 7,413]

No. Her "wise Latina woman" comment wasn't IMO racist, it was just acknowledging that she hopes her background gives her a fuller understanding of the ramifications of her rulings. The Ricci case is just absurd. She didn't vote against white firefighters - she upheld a lower court's ruling that New Haven was within its rights to throw out a test as criteria for promotions. That ruling was eventually overturned by the Supreme Court but only by a 5-4 vote and nobody is wondering whether any sitting justices on the SCOTUS are also racist.

 

It's all just grandstanding. That's what the minority party does, it's their job to grill the nominee and the GOP is doing what they have to do, I'm fine with that. But at the end of the day no one is really questioning Sotomayor's resume because she's qualified, and that's why she'll be confirmed.

[peenie 1,915]

MDC, i thought of it this way, what if all the blacks had scored well and not one white firefighter scored well and they threw out the test? that would be skraight discrimination.

 

(skraight means straight with a country ghetto accent)

[gocolts 300]

I think it boils down to this. This woman is not even qualified to sit on a focking jury, let alone the SCOTUS. If someone was going in for jury duty were to repeat her comments, they would not be allowed to sit on that jury.

[jerryskids 6,793]

The city threw out the test, they say, because they feared a law suit from minorities. The test was provided by a third party that provides promotional examinations fire depts. all over the U.S. The city said that the testing process was "disparate" against minorities. The written test was only part of the final rankings. An oral assessment center was given also. This places the candidate in different scenerios that they may encounter as an officer. The assessors are fire service profossionals from across the US. They chose a wide variety of people to be assessors. Approx. 66% of the assessors were minorities. Each candidate is assessed by a panel of 3 assessors on each scenerio. Purposely, a hispanic, an african-american, and a caucasian were placed on each panel.

Good summary.

 

My understanding is that the crux of the ruling is that the mere fear of a discrimination lawsuit, without any objective evidence supporting it, was insufficient to throw out the results. That seems kinda important, as the onus is now on organizations to establish such precedent.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I'm not saying her ruling was the correct one. I'm just not sure it was a racism thing.

 

Nah, you just tried to justify an obvious racist ruling by throwing out this misinformed statement.

 

 

I believe her ruling was unanimous or close to it.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

No. Her "wise Latina woman" comment wasn't IMO racist, it was just acknowledging that she hopes her background gives her a fuller understanding of the ramifications of her rulings.

 

......because of her race.

 

Your are the biggest fukking moron welcher this bored has ever seen.