Crestwood 0 Posted March 28, 2006 i still feel that brett would be helping the franchise by giving then the answer by now. think about it, what one player situation most affects a football team? losing their starting qb, whether it be by injury, FA, or retirement, or whatever. the qb is the most important (and well paid, it is free agency time, and i'm sure the packers would prefer to already know if his salary is on or off the table so they could sign or not sign some FA's) position, and prolonging his decision only hurts the team, your team. and on a sidenote, its an unwritten rule in sports not to comment on another guy's contract situation, unless its to say that he deserves more money or a new deal. if you believe another player is wrong in holding out, or in demanding more money, all you say is either "thats between him and management, and i hope it works out well for both", or "no comment". thats it. dont throw another guy (and his wallet) under the bus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted March 28, 2006 Yeah, I want him back cause he gives them the best oppurtunity to win. They were in almost all of their games last year. Yes, he did put them in some holes, but he damn near made it out of many of them. It is clear to me that he can still play this position at a higher level then most qb's. being a lions fan, i'm an expert at the ways of losing : if you check stats, nearly all bad teams are "in" a majority of their games. rarely do bad teams get blown out week after week. in one of the lions moronweg years they lost something like 9 games by 7 points or less (something in that ball park). it's wishful thinking to look at the "close" games the packers played last year and think they are "that close" to turning it around. that said, i understand your logic in wanting favre back as he would give the packers the best chance of winning games this year versus what any other qb available could do. but i'd hate to see him have a second bad year in a row on a rebuilding packer team. to me, there are major warning bells with this foot dragging--even if he does decide to come back. i just don't see the planets aligning correctly for him this year if he comes back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted March 28, 2006 i still feel that brett would be helping the franchise by giving then the answer by now. think about it, what one player situation most affects a football team? losing their starting qb, whether it be by injury, FA, or retirement, or whatever. the qb is the most important (and well paid, it is free agency time, and i'm sure the packers would prefer to already know if his salary is on or off the table so they could sign or not sign some FA's) position, and prolonging his decision only hurts the team, your team. and on a sidenote, its an unwritten rule in sports not to comment on another guy's contract situation, unless its to say that he deserves more money or a new deal. if you believe another player is wrong in holding out, or in demanding more money, all you say is either "thats between him and management, and i hope it works out well for both", or "no comment". thats it. dont throw another guy (and his wallet) under the bus. John Clayton just said on SC...that McCarthy and Thompson have been pretty confident that favre would return....plus this long of a wait prolly means he is coming back.....i think favre gave them hints that he was coming back all along but doesnt want to come out and say it right away for the sake of having "an offseason" if he came right out the media would be all over him apposed to staying at home and enjoying the offseason....Favre will be back this is basically not even a discussion anymore..... on the other comment......Favre has every right to comment about walkers holdout....he wanted him back he is his best target...Favre is the QB.....its not liek favre said walker is being an ###### and it is foolish to holdout....he basically said he wants him back in camp and the whole team needs him there right now and holding out isnt helping matters....whats wrong with that?....from a fans point of view it was foolish for walker to holdout after one good year....and wanting to go to another team isnt going to get him the big payday anyway....who will throw that amount of cash to someone who hasnt really proved anything yet and just had an ACL tear???......so in reality he is an idiot to think holding out let alone retiring will get him more money...it will just hurt him in the long run .... being a lions fan, i'm an expert at the ways of losing : if you check stats, nearly all bad teams are "in" a majority of their games. rarely do bad teams get blown out week after week. in one of the lions moronweg years they lost something like 9 games by 7 points or less (something in that ball park). it's wishful thinking to look at the "close" games the packers played last year and think they are "that close" to turning it around. that said, i understand your logic in wanting favre back as he would give the packers the best chance of winning games this year versus what any other qb available could do. but i'd hate to see him have a second bad year in a row on a rebuilding packer team. to me, there are major warning bells with this foot dragging--even if he does decide to come back. i just don't see the planets aligning correctly for him this year if he comes back. as much as he loves the game him coming back is going to kick him in the butt......he's coming back this year because he knows that once its over its over....he's the type of player that doesnt want to go out on that bad of a season....he will come back and do everything in his power to get the packers to a solid season...sad thing is I dont know if thats in the cards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crestwood 0 Posted March 29, 2006 John Clayton just said on SC...that McCarthy and Thompson have been pretty confident that favre would return....plus this long of a wait prolly means he is coming back.....i think favre gave them hints that he was coming back all along but doesnt want to come out and say it right away for the sake of having "an offseason" if he came right out the media would be all over him apposed to staying at home and enjoying the offseason....Favre will be back this is basically not even a discussion anymore..... on the other comment......Favre has every right to comment about walkers holdout....he wanted him back he is his best target...Favre is the QB.....its not liek favre said walker is being an ###### and it is foolish to holdout....he basically said he wants him back in camp and the whole team needs him there right now and holding out isnt helping matters....whats wrong with that?....from a fans point of view it was foolish for walker to holdout after one good year....and wanting to go to another team isnt going to get him the big payday anyway....who will throw that amount of cash to someone who hasnt really proved anything yet and just had an ACL tear???......so in reality he is an idiot to think holding out let alone retiring will get him more money...it will just hurt him in the long run .... as much as he loves the game him coming back is going to kick him in the butt......he's coming back this year because he knows that once its over its over....he's the type of player that doesnt want to go out on that bad of a season....he will come back and do everything in his power to get the packers to a solid season...sad thing is I dont know if thats in the cards thats the thing; brett farve has no right to say anything, either be supportive or say no comment. i know a football fan doesnt want to hear it, but a man's individual financial situation comes before a team, sorry to say. everyplayer has been through their own contract situations at some point and time and know what difficulty it is getting their money, last thing they want is for another player to mettle in their personal/financial biz. even if farve is 100% right with what he said (and i tend to somewhat agree with what he said, to a point). right or wrong, you can't blindside/backstab a teammate in his quest to get a bigger payday. thats his livelyhood, and it comes first Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 519 Posted March 29, 2006 The whole argument about Brett Favre not really having that fire anymore, since it's taken him so long to decide is a pretty good argument. I think it was Swamp Dog that posted it. As a Packer fan, it's tough watching Favre play this waiting game with management and fans. I've stuck up for him during his entire career, regardless of the situation. But I disagree with most Packer fans lately...I think Favre should've kept his mouth shut about the Walker situation. It's easy to comment that the team's star receiver should report to camp and play out his $550,000/year contract...it's even easier when your name is Brett Favre and you make $10mil/year. It's just plain wrong for him to blast a teammate in public, especially when he's the highest paid player on the team. I also think it's pretty crappy that he is, in a sense, holding out this year...just as Walker did last year. He should've made his decision a while ago, before free agency started. That would've helped the Packers front office know where they stand as an organization, and how they should pursue free agents. I've been a die-hard Packer fan all my life, and have loved watching Favre play. He is a god to Packer fans. But in all honesty, we need to start looking at it objectively. If Packer fans were watching any other player, on any other team pull this crap that Favre has been pulling, they would without a doubt think the guy was a jerk Before all you Packer fans bash me, try to think of the situation in a non-homer way. I want Favre to play just as much as all of you, I just think it's about time he stops with the waiting game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crestwood 0 Posted March 29, 2006 The whole argument about Brett Favre not really having that fire anymore, since it's taken him so long to decide is a pretty good argument. I think it was Swamp Dog that posted it. As a Packer fan, it's tough watching Favre play this waiting game with management and fans. I've stuck up for him during his entire career, regardless of the situation. But I disagree with most Packer fans lately...I think Favre should've kept his mouth shut about the Walker situation. It's easy to comment that the team's star receiver should report to camp and play out his $550,000/year contract...it's even easier when your name is Brett Favre and you make $10mil/year. It's just plain wrong for him to blast a teammate in public, especially when he's the highest paid player on the team. I also think it's pretty crappy that he is, in a sense, holding out this year...just as Walker did last year. He should've made his decision a while ago, before free agency started. That would've helped the Packers front office know where they stand as an organization, and how they should pursue free agents. I've been a die-hard Packer fan all my life, and have loved watching Favre play. He is a god to Packer fans. But in all honesty, we need to start looking at it objectively. If Packer fans were watching any other player, on any other team pull this crap that Favre has been pulling, they would without a doubt think the guy was a jerk Before all you Packer fans bash me, try to think of the situation in a non-homer way. I want Favre to play just as much as all of you, I just think it's about time he stops with the waiting game. what he said write this date down. this is the first time i have ever agreed 100% with a packers fan. what am i supposed to do now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coachnorm 0 Posted March 29, 2006 Packers | Team will not trade J. Walker Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:11:26 -0800 ESPNews reports the Green Bay Packers will not trade WR Javon Walker. Hmmmmm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted March 29, 2006 I would not be surprised to hear that Favre has made up his mind already one way or the other and the front office has been sworn not to say anything until after the draft because they don't want to give away their game plan for the no.5 overall pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted March 29, 2006 I would not be surprised to hear that Favre has made up his mind already one way or the other and the front office has been sworn not to say anything until after the draft because they don't want to give away their game plan for the no.5 overall pick. um, that would mean they'd keep it a secret until nearly may 1. just to reiterate: the packers have demanded farve let them know by saturday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted March 29, 2006 um, that would mean they'd keep it a secret until nearly may 1. just to reiterate: the packers have demanded farve let them know by saturday. Yeah, I know but really do you believe everything you read? I know I don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 29, 2006 always gotta go to insults and rolleyes when someone says something you disagree with don't you? Yeah...cause that is all my post was...I addressed your points...I go to rolleyes when ignorance is posted in that manner. okay, here's a legit question for packer fans: do you really want favre back at this point? before answering, here's where i'm coming from: if he's agonizing this much over this decision and having it go down to the wire...does he really, truly "want it" anymore even if he does come back? that's something i don't see anyone in the media talking much about. everyone is looking at the end decision--come back or retire--and no one seems to be talking about what this foot-dragging indicates about favre's "fire" regardless of what the decision is. he made the decision to come back last year about this same time (well, a little earlier) and he had this trainer and he was pumped, blah, blah, blah...and by october he was looking tired, old, and vacant-eyed. last year i make the contention it would be better for the packers rebuilding process if favre didn't return. this year i think it's probably just plain better for brett if he doesn't return. not to mention mccarthy deserves the chance sooner rather than later to put his print on the qb position and groom his guy (whoever that is). Im actually back and forth on it. I do not want last year's Brett Favre back...nor do I want a guy who is not in the game all the way. i still feel that brett would be helping the franchise by giving then the answer by now. think about it, what one player situation most affects a football team? losing their starting qb, whether it be by injury, FA, or retirement, or whatever. the qb is the most important (and well paid, it is free agency time, and i'm sure the packers would prefer to already know if his salary is on or off the table so they could sign or not sign some FA's) position, and prolonging his decision only hurts the team, your team. and on a sidenote, its an unwritten rule in sports not to comment on another guy's contract situation, unless its to say that he deserves more money or a new deal. if you believe another player is wrong in holding out, or in demanding more money, all you say is either "thats between him and management, and i hope it works out well for both", or "no comment". thats it. dont throw another guy (and his wallet) under the bus. To me Walker lost any pity on that the moment he took his situation public...to me that is now fair game for anyone to comment on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wild_and_crazy_guy 5 Posted March 29, 2006 Favre had a HOF career, and was clearly one of the best QB's of all time. But in the rebuilding state that GB is in right now, they desparately need to start grooming a new QB. That has to be the managements decision, not Favres. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.j. booker 0 Posted March 29, 2006 i still feel that brett would be helping the franchise by giving then the answer by now. think about it, what one player situation most affects a football team? losing their starting qb, whether it be by injury, FA, or retirement, or whatever. the qb is the most important (and well paid, it is free agency time, and i'm sure the packers would prefer to already know if his salary is on or off the table so they could sign or not sign some FA's) position, and prolonging his decision only hurts the team, your team. and on a sidenote, its an unwritten rule in sports not to comment on another guy's contract situation, unless its to say that he deserves more money or a new deal. if you believe another player is wrong in holding out, or in demanding more money, all you say is either "thats between him and management, and i hope it works out well for both", or "no comment". thats it. dont throw another guy (and his wallet) under the bus. I'm glad Favre put the beatdown on Walker. He deserved it. Walker publicly complained to the media that he should be paid like a top 5 wide receiver when he had 1 good year and 2 full years left on his contract. So after he whined to the media, he started crying that Favre criticized him. Thats what you get when you act like a fool publicly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crestwood 0 Posted March 29, 2006 I'm glad Favre put the beatdown on Walker. He deserved it. Walker publicly complained to the media that he should be paid like a top 5 wide receiver when he had 1 good year and 2 full years left on his contract. So after he whined to the media, he started crying that Favre criticized him. Thats what you get when you act like a fool publicly. deserving or not, you dont cross the line as a player where you mettle negatively in another player's contract situation. even though they may be on the same team, that's walker's business, not farve's. only exception to this rule is when a veteran comments on a rookie draft pick to stop holding out and get to camp. thats the only exception. have you ever heard of another instance where a player came out and discussed another teammate's contract situation in a bad light? i cant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted March 29, 2006 Yeah, I know but really do you believe everything you read? I know I don't. true, you can't believe everything you see and hear in the media...still, that's one giant conspiracy theory: the pack know the answer but *wink* they're going to pound the table and "demand" favre give them an answer on april 1? they are borderline calling favre out. i highly doubt you position favre to look that way to the public just for an act of some sort. furthermore, i truly believe favre's undecidedness is hurting green bay with potential free agents--and why do that on purpose? makes no sense. i think all signs point to this being legitimate--that favre indeed hasn't let the packers know yet and the packers are getting exasperated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MicktheGreat 1 Posted March 29, 2006 Personally, I think it's a good idea that the Packers asked him for his decision soon. As good as Favre has been, NFL football is a business, and like any business, you can't have one guy stringing along the franchise/company (owners, coaches, players, fans, etc.) every year (regardless of how good Favre once was or still is). Here's a question that I'm curious to hear some answers about (a question, btw, whose answer I'm unsure of myself): Why do some QBs get the reputation of being "gunslingers" while other QBs get the reputation of being foolish/stupid/too risky/etc.??? Looking strictly at last season (and not over the course of a career), Favre threw 29 INTs and lots of people say, "Well...he's a gunslinger." Aaron Brooks threw 17 INTs and most say he's foolish or a bad decision-maker or whatever. Now, I am NOT saying that Brooks and Favre are equally talented QBs with equally successful careers (that would be just plain stupid to suggest). HOWEVER, how come some players are excused (and even praised) for being "gunslingers" while other players (who display some of the same questionable decision making skills) are criticized as being bad QBs??? Again...I don't know the answer to that...just curious what you guys think... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted March 29, 2006 Personally, I think it's a good idea that the Packers asked him for his decision soon. As good as Favre has been, NFL football is a business, and like any business, you can't have one guy stringing along the franchise/company (owners, coaches, players, fans, etc.) every year (regardless of how good Favre once was or still is). Here's a question that I'm curious to hear some answers about (a question, btw, whose answer I'm unsure of myself): Why do some QBs get the reputation of being "gunslingers" while other QBs get the reputation of being foolish/stupid/too risky/etc.??? Looking strictly at last season (and not over the course of a career), Favre threw 29 INTs and lots of people say, "Well...he's a gunslinger." Aaron Brooks threw 17 INTs and most say he's foolish or a bad decision-maker or whatever. Now, I am NOT saying that Brooks and Favre are equally talented QBs with equally successful careers (that would be just plain stupid to suggest). HOWEVER, how come some players are excused (and even praised) for being "gunslingers" while other players (who display some of the same questionable decision making skills) are criticized as being bad QBs??? Again...I don't know the answer to that...just curious what you guys think... gunslinger question: i think it has to do with team success. if your team has had some consistent success, then you're a "gunslinger" in a positive way. if not and you heave the ball around, you're an idiot/loser/risk taker. pretty simple, i think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MicktheGreat 1 Posted March 29, 2006 gunslinger question: i think it has to do with team success. if your team has had some consistent success, then you're a "gunslinger" in a positive way. if not and you heave the ball around, you're an idiot/loser/risk taker. pretty simple, i think. Hmm...I'm not sure... For the sake of argument (since we're looking at "consistent success") throw last year out since both Favre's team and Brooks's team played poorly. Look at the Saints' record with Brooks as starter for the past 4 years or so--he's kept that team around .500. That's not GREAT, but it's not awful either (ask Lions's fans, Cardinals's fans, Browns's fans, etc. who would love to have a streak of 4-5 years of .500 football). Yet, in that 4 year period of where Brooks kept his team around .500 and also made lots of questionable throws (like Favre), I don't recall him ever really being referred to as a "gunslinger"--only a QB with poor decision-making skills... Again...I don't know the answer to the "gunslinger" question, but I'm not sure that one can simply point to "consistent success" as a legitimate solution... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 84 29 Posted March 29, 2006 He'll be back in 5 years to be introduced into the HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Let Da Big Dog Eat 40 Posted March 29, 2006 Think the answer to the "gunslinger" question has to do with the success of questionable throws. If they work occasionally or better with an otherwise "good" QB on a good team then he's a gunslinger. If they rarely work (backward passes) with an average QB on an average team, then it's a bad decision maker rather than a "gunslinger." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MicktheGreat 1 Posted March 29, 2006 Think the answer to the "gunslinger" question has to do with the success of questionable throws. If they work occasionally or better with an otherwise "good" QB on a good team then he's a gunslinger. If they rarely work (backward passes) with an average QB on an average team, then it's a bad decision maker rather than a "gunslinger." What about this??? Favre is viewed as a charismatic, marketable person that a lot of people think has a good, down-home kind of personality. Brooks on the other hand...well...is definitely not as marketable and he doesn't strike me as being overly charismatic or anything... So...could overall charm and charisma (i.e. off-the-field personality more so than on-the-field accomplishments) be the distinguishing factor between gunslinger and poor decision-maker??? Essentially, could it be possible that, because we like Favre's personality, we ignore (and sometimes even praise) his willingness to take risks, while another QB (like Brooks) whose personality is a little less likeable (for whatever reasons--neutrality, blandness, etc.) is criticized for similar risky play??? Is that a possibility??? Or is it all a matter of on-the-field accomplishments??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted March 29, 2006 Personally, I think it's a good idea that the Packers asked him for his decision soon. As good as Favre has been, NFL football is a business, and like any business, you can't have one guy stringing along the franchise/company (owners, coaches, players, fans, etc.) every year (regardless of how good Favre once was or still is). Here's a question that I'm curious to hear some answers about (a question, btw, whose answer I'm unsure of myself): Why do some QBs get the reputation of being "gunslingers" while other QBs get the reputation of being foolish/stupid/too risky/etc.??? Looking strictly at last season (and not over the course of a career), Favre threw 29 INTs and lots of people say, "Well...he's a gunslinger." Aaron Brooks threw 17 INTs and most say he's foolish or a bad decision-maker or whatever. Now, I am NOT saying that Brooks and Favre are equally talented QBs with equally successful careers (that would be just plain stupid to suggest). HOWEVER, how come some players are excused (and even praised) for being "gunslingers" while other players (who display some of the same questionable decision making skills) are criticized as being bad QBs??? Again...I don't know the answer to that...just curious what you guys think... Unfortunately, you can't just look at one season in a vacuum. Nobody does that. So a person who owns almost every freakin' record in the book, 3 MVPs, will more likely be a "gunslingler" rather than say a hack like Aaron Brooks who has never accomplished much with his talent. Jerry Seinfeld gets a little more leeway with the crowd when he cracks a bad joke compared to, say, Pauly Shore or ReedTodd. That's just the nature of the beast. Still, plenty of people, including Packer fans, called Favre out for his poor play and bad throws last year so I'm not sure with I even agree with your premise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted March 29, 2006 deserving or not, you dont cross the line as a player where you mettle negatively in another player's contract situation. even though they may be on the same team, that's walker's business, not farve's. only exception to this rule is when a veteran comments on a rookie draft pick to stop holding out and get to camp. thats the only exception. have you ever heard of another instance where a player came out and discussed another teammate's contract situation in a bad light? i cant. who are you to make up these rules....saying what one player can do and cant....and exception...blah blah blah.....who do you think you are?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted March 29, 2006 I've understood that the decision was made a while back, but the Packers wanted to time the announcement just so. What we are hearing now may just be the Packers PR machine grinding its gears. Brett's been getting a raw deal on this board. The facts: * Favre's recent on-field play has been better than credited. * Favre's not milking his stories, the press is offering what sells. * Favre doesn't feed Madden those dumb lines--not his fault. * Favre is still a better QB than half of the starters in the NFL. Favre mouthed off almost 10 years ago that he was going to retire. And, much to his surprise, the press bit hold of that bait chomping down hook, line, sinker and the whole dam boat. He had no idea the intensity of his celebrity. If he's done: Great. Let's rebuild. If he plays: Great. I love watching the guy play. You left out one key fact that I have a serious problem with. He's held his team/fans hostage for two focking years now with this retirement thing. Show some focking manners Favre. Kudos to the Pack for finally calling him out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grind 0 Posted March 29, 2006 Farve may be a HOF QB, but this gets old. Listening to Mike and Mike in the morning and Golic points out that Farve has gone through some personal tragedy and begins that with the fact his father died. Huh? Has no one else in this world ever had a father die? What was the other thing...his brother in law died in some ATV accident or something? First off, it was a brother in law and not a brother. Second, has no one else ever had a close friend die? Does the media not realize that even Brett Farve lives in the same world we all live in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted March 29, 2006 Farve may be a HOF QB, but this gets old. Listening to Mike and Mike in the morning and Golic points out that Farve has gone through some personal tragedy and begins that with the fact his father died. Huh? Has no one else in this world ever had a father die? What was the other thing...his brother in law died in some ATV accident or something? First off, it was a brother in law and not a brother. Second, has no one else ever had a close friend die? Does the media not realize that even Brett Farve lives in the same world we all live in? Yeah, and what's with the hoopla about his wife's cancer. Jeez, I've been losing my hair for years now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grind 0 Posted March 29, 2006 Yeah, and what's with the hoopla about his wife's cancer. Jeez, I've been losing my hair for years now. Oh yeah. Forgot about that one. To think that a person in this world would have to go through a father dying and a loved one being diagnosed with cancer. The rarity of such a sequence of occurences. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 29, 2006 deserving or not, you dont cross the line as a player where you mettle negatively in another player's contract situation. even though they may be on the same team, that's walker's business, not farve's. only exception to this rule is when a veteran comments on a rookie draft pick to stop holding out and get to camp. thats the only exception. have you ever heard of another instance where a player came out and discussed another teammate's contract situation in a bad light? i cant. Other than the I hope they don't pay him...it is Favre's business that his #1 WR was going to hold out. And Walker made it everyone's business when he aired his grievances in public. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted March 29, 2006 Here's another question: What would you decide if you were in Favre's position? I would come back. Why? Because I love football. If I felt I was still capable of playing a sport I love then I would continue to play at the highest level (most competitive league) possible. I would retire from the NFL like Jerry Rice or Doug Flutie - to the point where everyone says I can't play anymore. Some would call it sad, but I say #### that. To me it is the best job in the world. Going to practice, hanging out with the team, getting pumped for the big game, laying it all on the line. I've got lots of years left in my life to enjoy retirement, or work some crummy office job to keep myself busy. It isn't about money, or being a celebrity, or caring what the media says about me. I do it because I have a passion for the game, and the opportunity to feed that passion is narrowing quickly, so I squeeze every last minute of time out of it while I have the chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timinator 0 Posted March 29, 2006 You left out one key fact that I have a serious problem with. He's held his team/fans hostage for two focking years now with this retirement thing. Show some focking manners Favre. Kudos to the Pack for finally calling him out. Didn't leave it out at all. My first sentence tells of the rumor that Favre has told the team his intentions long ago and the Packers are using the timing as strategy. If that's not the case... Yeah, I'd wish Favre made up his mind a little sooner. I'd expect that Thompson would not have done much differently anyway though. He's a draft-first guy. And I don't like Brees or Culpepper or Brooks or Collins so who cares. I would guess most of the folks responding have not had the luxury of a 3-time MVP QB playing for their team to base their opinions around. For me personally, the guy has earned the right to take some extra time and come back to throw 87 interceptions. If Elvis is in the building, you watch him perform. And maybe, just maybe he hits that high note one more time--not outta the question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted March 29, 2006 Here's another question: What would you decide if you were in Favre's position? I would come back. Why? Because I love football. If I felt I was still capable of playing a sport I love then I would continue to play at the highest level (most competitive league) possible. I would retire from the NFL like Jerry Rice or Doug Flutie - to the point where everyone says I can't play anymore. Some would call it sad, but I say #### that. To me it is the best job in the world. Going to practice, hanging out with the team, getting pumped for the big game, laying it all on the line. I've got lots of years left in my life to enjoy retirement, or work some crummy office job to keep myself busy. It isn't about money, or being a celebrity, or caring what the media says about me. I do it because I have a passion for the game, and the opportunity to feed that passion is narrowing quickly, so I squeeze every last minute of time out of it while I have the chance. i don't think anyone was demanding him to retire...it's more about dragging his decision out and delaying any plan for the direction of the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted March 29, 2006 i don't think anyone was demanding him to retire...it's more about dragging his decision out and delaying any plan for the direction of the team. And as Timinator eluded to the team already knows the decision, which if true makes all the discussion pretty pointless. At any rate, I'm still interested in what others would do. Especially those who are convinced Farve is anywhere from average at best to down right horrible. Or coming back to feed his ego. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted March 29, 2006 And as Timinator eluded to the team already knows the decision, which if true makes all the discussion pretty pointless. At any rate, I'm still interested in what others would do. Especially those who are convinced Farve is anywhere from average at best to down right horrible. Or coming back to feed his ego. so you believe that the packers have publicly called out favre for his decision, even though they already know the answer? i don't understand the motivation behind a move like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted March 29, 2006 so you believe that the packers have publicly called out favre for his decision, even though they already know the answer? i don't understand the motivation behind a move like that. No, I don't really believe that. Seems kind of dumb. And I agree to a point the whole waiting for a decision is not something Favre should be doing to the team, although I don't really see what they would be doing much differently. But I still think my question is valid. A lot of people in this post believe Favre should retire. If you were in Favre's shoes, would you retire? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timinator 0 Posted March 29, 2006 so you believe that the packers have publicly called out favre for his decision, even though they already know the answer? i don't understand the motivation behind a move like that. Easy. It's a PR ploy. And strategy. It's not just the fans who don't know what's going on. It's 31 other teams. You know anytime GB wants to make Sportscenter all they have to do is let out a little Favre smell. The press runs around the a pack of trained monkeys when you mention Favre's name. It's golden. Works on this board too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted March 29, 2006 Easy. It's a PR ploy. what, to make favre look bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 29, 2006 You know anytime GB wants to make Sportscenter all they have to do is let out a little Favre smell. The press runs around the a pack of trained monkeys when you mention Favre's name. It's golden. Works on this board too. Now that is true...even on local sports talk here in Nashville. And they start talking about it...and say they are tired of the topic...yet go on and on about it for a segment? Yeah...so tired of it that they keep bringing it up and keep talking about it every chance they get. They...and some here...need to face the fact that talking Favre or writing about Favre creates the buzz that the papers/magazines/sites/channels....want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crestwood 0 Posted March 29, 2006 ok then, i have heard all your responses towards farve commenting on walkers contract publically in a negative light. let me ask you something then: can you name another example in professional sports of a player publically talking about another teammates contract situation in a negative light? (not counting rookies holding out of training camp)? didnt thinks so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites