NFL Draft Weekend Team Thread: Detroit Lions

[Vikings4ever 550]

1.09-Detroit Lions-Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State

 

[Looseafir 3]

1.09-Detroit Lions-Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State

 

 

Don't you have something better to do like maybe take you team mates out for a boat ride?

[swirvenirvin 25]

They drafted Walters last year and have A Brooks. I think they will take one in the 2nd, there secondary was the worst in the NFL.

 

 

Brooks

[swamp dog 0]

1.09-Detroit Lions-Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State

 

 

you should pray he's still there at 17. the vikes wrs blow.

[swirvenirvin 25]

Sims

 

REACH

[Fumbleweed 547]

Ernie Sims?

[DanXIII 8]

I think Sims will be a great pro.

[Looseafir 3]

Great now we have 3 potential LB on the DL.

[Vikings4ever 550]

Sims was a reach here, but I wanted him to fall to Minne.

[Orgazmo 2]

Better get him a specially padded helmet.

[swamp dog 0]

don't mind the sims pick. i think they could have gotten him 2-3 picks lower. wish they would have traded down.

 

killer was right about sims being up there on the lions board.

[t.j 35]

Surprising pick. Sims just fell out of his chair and gave himself a concussion.

[Thin Spirit 0]

So does this mean Boss Bailey or Teddy Lehman now lose their starting position?

 

Sims just fell out of his chair and gave himself a concussion.

 

You must be thinking of Matt Leinart.

 

[Walter34 3]

Sims

 

REACH

 

Bad selection imo. I cant believe teams didnt trade up for Lienart / Cutler or a DT. Det didnt seem interested, not even using their 15 minutes.

 

He'll add to a decent D, but they could have been helped more elswhere.

[swamp dog 0]

Surprising pick. Sims just fell out of his chair and gave himself a concussion.

 

if you've been tuned into the det media this week, it's not a surprise pick. marinelli loves him, loves the film on him. he's a good fit for the cover-2 defense. marinelli likenened him to brooks.

 

Bad selection imo. I cant believe teams didnt trade up for Lienart / Cutler or a DT. Det didnt seem interested, not even using their 15 minutes.

 

He'll add to a decent D, but they could have been helped more elswhere.

 

linebacker is an area of need for the lions you silly foreigner.

[monk 1]

With all these WRs the past couple of years wouldn't it make since to get a QB who can get them the Ball?

[shovelheadt 71]

if you've been tuned into the det media this week, it's not a surprise pick. marinelli loves him, loves the film on him. he's a good fit for the cover-2 defense. marinelli likenened him to brooks.

linebacker is an area of need for the lions you silly foreigner.

 

The only bad thing about these picks is that there's going to be a run now eliminating the defensive guys the Bengals were looking at.

 

With all these WRs the past couple of years wouldn't it make since to get a QB who can get them the Ball?

 

Bingo. You're rolling with Jon Kitna and two possible franchise QBs drop to you.

[swamp dog 0]

With all these WRs the past couple of years wouldn't it make since to get a QB who can get them the Ball?

 

you were going to badmouth whatever they did, so knock yourself out

[OriginalMonkeyBoy 0]

With all these WRs the past couple of years wouldn't it make since to get a QB who can get them the Ball?

 

 

[Walter34 3]

if you've been tuned into the det media this week, it's not a surprise pick. marinelli loves him, loves the film on him. he's a good fit for the cover-2 defense. marinelli likenened him to brooks.

linebacker is an area of need for the lions you silly foreigner.

 

I know it is with Lehman's injurys. I've said all along that they should go oline though. The D came on and was above average last year. The running game, protection and qb was what let them down last year.

 

Sims will make the D all the better though.

[Looseafir 3]

With all these WRs the past couple of years wouldn't it make since to get a QB who can get them the Ball?

 

Dude can you read?They signed 2 already and have 5 on the roster. YOu dont pay Kitna and McNown 10mil and then take a QB to have him sit and learn.

[swamp dog 0]

I know it is with Lehman's injurys. I've said all along that they should go oline though. The D came on and was above average last year. The running game, protection and qb was what let them down last year.

 

Sims will make the D all the better though.

 

i was never a fan of o-line at 9. i think there will be good value there yet in rounds 2 and 3.

[bno70_1 0]

Yes, O-Line at 9 leaves you with Jeff Backus, Stocker McDougal, Aaron Gibson type talent. Frick, we suck.

 

Can't argue with LB even if it was a reach. We were starting people out of the stands by the end of last year.

[monk 1]

Dude can you read?They signed 2 already and have 5 on the roster. YOu dont pay Kitna and McNown 10mil and then take a QB to have him sit and learn.

 

 

Ok ...so they have 3 first round WRs and 5 QBs who can't get them the ball ...Leinert is supposed to be the readiest QB in the Draft. Let the other 5 sit.

[bno70_1 0]

Ok ...so they have 3 first round WRs and 5 QBs who can't get them the ball ...Leinert is supposed to be the readiest QB in the Draft. Let the other 5 sit.

There's more to football than 1st round Qb's. Last I checked, plenty of teams have made the Super Bowl without a 1st round Qb. Martz will make either Kitna or McCown work just fine. Count on it.

[Riddlen 1]

I know it is with Lehman's injurys. I've said all along that they should go oline though. The D came on and was above average last year. The running game, protection and qb was what let them down last year.

 

Sims will make the D all the better though.

there is good OL (specially tackle) in the 2nd round. count on it.

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

you were going to badmouth whatever they did, so knock yourself out

 

Kind of like you going to fluff whatever they did.

 

Injuries, legal problems...he had everything Matt Millen looks for in a draftee, except he doesn't play WR.

 

I like Simms better than Boss Bailey as a football player, but he's awfully undersized. Once again Millen was unable to trade down. If he was mildly competent, he would have Denver's picks right now and still been able to get Simms.

[swirvenirvin 25]

Damnit why couldnt the Lions make that trade

[Wildman 0]

Ernie Sims?

 

 

Excellent pick. Perfect match for Marinelli and the defense Detroit will play.

[Looseafir 3]

OK so what's up for the 2nd round?

 

 

I love 2 OT one in the 2nd OT Daryn Colledge or 4th rounf Joe Toledo. I think if Nick Mangold is there would love to take him beacuse Riola BLOWS. Defense maybe a Ko Simpson or CB Ashton Youboty, maybe a DE Darryl Tapp in the 3rd.

 

 

SUGGESTIONS???

[Riddlen 1]

OK so what's up for the 2nd round?

I love 2 OT one in the 2nd OT Daryn Colledge or 4th rounf Joe Toledo. I think if Nick Mangold is there would love to take him beacuse Riola BLOWS. Defense maybe a Ko Simpson or CB Ashton Youboty, maybe a DE Darryl Tapp in the 3rd.

SUGGESTIONS???

they just resigned crapola so I doubt they go Mangold (he'll be gone anyway). I like Colledge. What about Mcneil falling

 

Damnit why couldnt the Lions make that trade

what position do you want tonite?

 

 

errr, f it.

[Cdub100 3,909]

what position do you want tonite?

errr, f it.

 

F@GS

[Riddlen 1]

F@GS

i'd talk

 

yuck

 

[Diesel07 0]

I cant believe you guys are upset over the Ernie Sims pick. Some of you who are pissed, dont know anything about him. Have you seen him play? Well i have. This guy has heart. He plays with passion! You'd be hard pressed to find a linebacker with a better motor or better speed and intensity than Ernie. He has had a few concussions, which is what people seem to put too much emphasis on. He isn't a guy that you worry about bringing it. He plays with a high level of intenisity, sometimes too much. He got far too many late hit penalties & sometimes over pursues on plays. He will be all over the field & free to roam with big Shaun Rogers at DT. He put Vernon Davis, arguably the best TE in the draft, on LOCK. He had a diving INT when guarding him. He also had a one-handed interception against Miami.

 

 

Sims was the top-rated defensive recruit in the country as a high school senior at North Florida Christian.

 

Pros: Has a knack for slipping blocks or avoiding them, though is also quite strong for his size and will take them on as well. Has a very good first step and shows a quick burst of speed that allows him to defeat blocking angles early on the down. He pursues sideline to sideline and takes precise angles to the ball with the hitting power to finish the play consistently. Ideally suited for a stack position that protects him and allows him to flow to the ball. As a pass-rusher, he has nice upside with the ability to come on the delay blitz with fine timing and the ability to finish the play with NFL-type explosion.

Cons: Some concerns of playing over a tight end regularly and holding up in run support. He lacks bulk and can get bounced around at the point of attack at times, getting easily engulfed by bigger blockers.

Numbers: Over his junior and final seasons, he had 66 tackles, 9 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, one fumble recovery, 6 passes defended and two picks. At the Combine, he checked in at just under 6-feet and 231 pounds. He ran a 4.54 with a 41-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 5-inch broad jump and 25 reps in lifting.

 

If you look back to his sophomore season, you wil see his numbers were pretty higher. His numbers took a hit his junior year, but thats because teams gamedplaned to run the ball AWAY from him. FSU also rotates LBs alot.

[Looseafir 3]

I cant believe you guys are upset over the Ernie Sims pick. Some of you who are pissed, dont know anything about him. Have you seen him play? Well i have. This guy has heart. He plays with passion! You'd be hard pressed to find a linebacker with a better motor or better speed and intensity than Ernie. He has had a few concussions, which is what people seem to put too much emphasis on. He isn't a guy that you worry about bringing it. He plays with a high level of intenisity, sometimes too much. He got far too many late hit penalties & sometimes over pursues on plays. He will be all over the field & free to roam with big Shaun Rogers at DT. He put Vernon Davis, arguably the best TE in the draft, on LOCK. He had a diving INT when guarding him. He also had a one-handed interception against Miami.

Sims was the top-rated defensive recruit in the country as a high school senior at North Florida Christian.

 

Pros: Has a knack for slipping blocks or avoiding them, though is also quite strong for his size and will take them on as well. Has a very good first step and shows a quick burst of speed that allows him to defeat blocking angles early on the down. He pursues sideline to sideline and takes precise angles to the ball with the hitting power to finish the play consistently. Ideally suited for a stack position that protects him and allows him to flow to the ball. As a pass-rusher, he has nice upside with the ability to come on the delay blitz with fine timing and the ability to finish the play with NFL-type explosion.

Cons: Some concerns of playing over a tight end regularly and holding up in run support. He lacks bulk and can get bounced around at the point of attack at times, getting easily engulfed by bigger blockers.

Numbers: Over his junior and final seasons, he had 66 tackles, 9 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, one fumble recovery, 6 passes defended and two picks. At the Combine, he checked in at just under 6-feet and 231 pounds. He ran a 4.54 with a 41-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 5-inch broad jump and 25 reps in lifting.

 

If you look back to his sophomore season, you wil see his numbers were pretty higher. His numbers took a hit his junior year, but thats because teams gamedplaned to run the ball AWAY from him. FSU also rotates LBs alot.

 

Who cares what he did in High School, just about every pro was a highly touted HS player. Sims marbles is what scares me and with the 3 LB we have all on the DL we could of traded down and still gotten him.

[MahSoonerz 0]

Who cares what he did in High School, just about every pro was a highly touted HS player.

 

Indeed. Two words and an emoticon: Rhett Bomar.

[swamp dog 0]

Ok ...so they have 3 first round WRs and 5 QBs who can't get them the ball ...Leinert is supposed to be the readiest QB in the Draft. Let the other 5 sit.

 

you if the lions had drafted leinart: "millen is such a moron! i can't believe he went offense again and ignored the defense!"

 

blah, blah, blah. if you love leinart so much, go buy his poster and a cardinals jersey.

 

Kind of like you going to fluff whatever they did.

 

Injuries, legal problems...he had everything Matt Millen looks for in a draftee, except he doesn't play WR.

 

I like Simms better than Boss Bailey as a football player, but he's awfully undersized. Once again Millen was unable to trade down. If he was mildly competent, he would have Denver's picks right now and still been able to get Simms.

 

we don't know how the draft will play out. let's give it a couple of years. everyone loved matt's drafts on draft day in the past--including you, most likely. all i know is marinelli loved sims and this is a marinelli pick

[Diesel07 0]

Who cares what he did in High School, just about every pro was a highly touted HS player. Sims marbles is what scares me and with the 3 LB we have all on the DL we could of traded down and still gotten him.

i just threw that HS comment in there.

 

So you look at 1 problem, but fail to acknowledge his talents.

 

Heres an article on him

 

After racking up 86 tackles last fall as a true sophomore, Ernie Sims entered this season as a candidate for All-America honors. That wasn't surprising considering he had been rated as the nation's top player coming out of Tallahassee's North Florida Christian in 2003.

 

And Sims lived up to that billing in the Seminoles' season-opening victory against Miami. He recorded seven tackles and made a diving interception.

 

Teams are running away from Sims this season.

Since then, however, Sims has been credited with just 19 tackles in Florida State's next five games. At the midway point of the season, he is on pace to notch only slightly more than 50 tackles.

 

And that has led to speculation on Internet message boards and local sports talk radio that Sims is underachieving.

 

Anyone making those comments obviously hasn't asked Sims' position coach for an evaluation.

 

"He has played exceptionally well," FSU linebackers coach Kevin Steele said. "His grades are off the charts."

 

Off the charts? With only 26 tackles?

 

Steele said the only reason Sims' numbers have taken a dip this season is because opposing teams are adjusting their schemes to keep him at bay.

 

"He has played great," Steele said. "It's kind of like in baseball, saying that a fielder in baseball hasn't made a big difference this year. And then you look back and realize that he had 80 balls hit at him last year, and this year's he's had 19. That's the difference.

 

"They're not attacking Ernie Sims. They're not coming after Ernie Sims."

 

Steele said defensive statistics rarely paint a full picture. For example last season, when Sims was rolling up big tackle numbers, Steele said there were times that opponents actually designed plays to target him. They devised plans to take advantage of his desire to make big plays.

 

But once Sims proved he couldn't be baited into bad decisions anymore, Steele said opponents have turned their attention elsewhere.

 

"He's so much more disciplined and sound in his play," Steele said. "Before, he was so aggressive and young that they would try him on stuff. But he doesn't get a lot of work [in games] anymore. So he's almost got to create plays by chasing things and making things happen."

 

Sims has played so well that he even received a "plus" grade on a play in which the man he was covering scored a touchdown. Steele said Sims couldn't have covered Virginia tight end Jonathan Stupar on his 21-yard touchdown reception any better without being called for pass interference.

 

"He was the only place he could be," Steele said. "The guy made a great throw, and the guy made a great catch. Aside from just saying, 'OK, interfere with him,' you couldn't defend it.

 

"He got a plus on the play. I've been doing this 24 years, and I'm not afraid to give 'em a minus. You can ask 'em that."

His LB coach, Kevin Steele, coahed for the Panthers in the NFL and has seen ALOT of LBs during his time. Here is a question posed to him about Ernie Sims size

 

Q: Do you think Ernie's size is a concern for him at the next level?

 

Kevin Steele: Well, the best linebacker I have ever coached in 24 years of dealing with linebackers was about 5-foot-8 and ¾ and weighed about 232 pounds and that was Sam Mills. I learned a valuable lesson from being around Sam, if you are a football player then an inch doesn't matter.

 

DEFENSE STATISTICS

Int UT AT TT TL S BR FR

2005 2 22 50 72 10 2.5 4 0

2004 0 41 45 86 9 4.5 5 0

[Looseafir 3]

i just threw that HS comment in there.

 

So you look at 1 problem, but fail to acknowledge his talents.

 

Heres an article on him

 

After racking up 86 tackles last fall as a true sophomore, Ernie Sims entered this season as a candidate for All-America honors. That wasn't surprising considering he had been rated as the nation's top player coming out of Tallahassee's North Florida Christian in 2003.

 

And Sims lived up to that billing in the Seminoles' season-opening victory against Miami. He recorded seven tackles and made a diving interception.

 

Teams are running away from Sims this season.

Since then, however, Sims has been credited with just 19 tackles in Florida State's next five games. At the midway point of the season, he is on pace to notch only slightly more than 50 tackles.

 

And that has led to speculation on Internet message boards and local sports talk radio that Sims is underachieving.

 

Anyone making those comments obviously hasn't asked Sims' position coach for an evaluation.

 

"He has played exceptionally well," FSU linebackers coach Kevin Steele said. "His grades are off the charts."

 

Off the charts? With only 26 tackles?

 

Steele said the only reason Sims' numbers have taken a dip this season is because opposing teams are adjusting their schemes to keep him at bay.

 

"He has played great," Steele said. "It's kind of like in baseball, saying that a fielder in baseball hasn't made a big difference this year. And then you look back and realize that he had 80 balls hit at him last year, and this year's he's had 19. That's the difference.

 

"They're not attacking Ernie Sims. They're not coming after Ernie Sims."

 

Steele said defensive statistics rarely paint a full picture. For example last season, when Sims was rolling up big tackle numbers, Steele said there were times that opponents actually designed plays to target him. They devised plans to take advantage of his desire to make big plays.

 

But once Sims proved he couldn't be baited into bad decisions anymore, Steele said opponents have turned their attention elsewhere.

 

"He's so much more disciplined and sound in his play," Steele said. "Before, he was so aggressive and young that they would try him on stuff. But he doesn't get a lot of work [in games] anymore. So he's almost got to create plays by chasing things and making things happen."

 

Sims has played so well that he even received a "plus" grade on a play in which the man he was covering scored a touchdown. Steele said Sims couldn't have covered Virginia tight end Jonathan Stupar on his 21-yard touchdown reception any better without being called for pass interference.

 

"He was the only place he could be," Steele said. "The guy made a great throw, and the guy made a great catch. Aside from just saying, 'OK, interfere with him,' you couldn't defend it.

 

"He got a plus on the play. I've been doing this 24 years, and I'm not afraid to give 'em a minus. You can ask 'em that."

 

Again WHO CARES. Living a few miles from Brigton Michigan and seeing Drew Henson play in HS I could tell you the stories and cut you the newspaper articles of how great he was. Im not saying Sims will not be a good or great pro, all im saying is I am scared of the 5 hits to the head with the LB we have already that can't stay healthy.

[Diesel07 0]

Again WHO CARES. Living a few miles from Brigton Michigan and seeing Drew Henson play in HS I could tell you the stories and cut you the newspaper articles of how great he was. Im not saying Sims will not be a good or great pro, all im saying is I am scared of the 5 hits to the head with the LB we have already that can't stay healthy.

Oh, so you only care about his concussions he suffered a long time ago. I love the intelligence in your post.