At Day-Care: a nice story of homo families at play

[Strike 5,841]

I never said you couldn't. I simply suggested that we don't, which we don't. I don't think it's a very good idea, anyway. The business of small children is play. That's how they learn at that age.

 

Then why the hell do you care if we have stories about gays or not? And if most parents don't want to that should be ok with you!!! Let the children play.....

[surferskin 30]

As long as you agree that it's not a controversial subject to preschoolers, what's your problem with it? What does it matter whether some adults are rational enough to discuss it, as long as the kids are?

 

are you suggesting we should let the kids decide what they should learn?

[torridjoe 48]

So you don't believe that if there is a law passed that gives homosexuals the right to obtain a marriage that it will result in some couple wanting to be married in a church, by the Church? You don't think that some couple will try to force the issue to advance their own cause (not to mention get a little payback at the Church?)

 

I mean, it's not like people have been known to put children in the middle of the national debate in order to push their own agenda or anything like that.

 

1. Why hasn't it happened yet? Such laws exist.

2. Who cares what people will try? On what possible legal basis would they succeed?

[hoytdwow 202]

Actually, they do.

Right...my point was what right do you or davebg or the rest of you rednecks have to deny it them?

[torridjoe 48]

Children need to learn these basics before they get to school. They play enough. Reading a book about animals and the zoo will provide them with all the education that they need at that age.

 

Stick to math, science, reading and history. Everything else has no place in public schools.

 

daycare is not public school.

And you're correct about "needing to learn the basics," but the basics aren't reading and writing; they're socializing and self-actualizing at that stage.

 

are you suggesting we should let the kids decide what they should learn?

 

I'm suggesting we not overlay our adult comprehension patterns on top of those of children.

 

Then why the hell do you care if we have stories about gays or not? And if most parents don't want to that should be ok with you!!! Let the children play.....

 

I'm not the one complaining to a fantasy football board about what they're doing in daycare in Australia.

 

Any evidence "most parents" at that daycare "don't want to?"

[davebg 0]

As long as you agree that it's not a controversial subject to preschoolers, what's your problem with it? What does it matter whether some adults are rational enough to discuss it, as long as the kids are?

I can think of many topics that are not controversial to preschoolers, but do not belong in the curriculum.

 

So what's your point?

[cmh6476 1,057]

I'll forward this to her. Actually, she is on the board right now.

tell her that im poor and newly married like you and poor and a lifelong chiefs fan and poor and would be forever indebted. Did I mention that I'm poor?

[Strike 5,841]

daycare is not public school.

 

It's public daycare, and they're clearly trying to teach the kids something. On some level that has to qualify as public school.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I never said you couldn't. I simply suggested that we don't, which we don't. I don't think it's a very good idea, anyway. The business of small children is play. That's how they learn at that age.

 

Actually..."we" do. My child is 20 months old and has been learning things about reading and math (now, not adding or anything...but basics of numbers and counting and ABCs is the same thing).

 

Why would you react so harshly to learning that, but think it normal to talk about the other? (not that I am agreeing with any sentiment here about whether children that age should be exposed to such things, though I believe that is the responsibility of the parent and not the day care, though not to worry, my child is in a Christian daycare...not necessarily because we were only looking into Christian daycares...but because the one closest to us that we had the best feel for is a Christian daycare).

 

The point is, you jumped right in about the math and reading stuff as if that was not normal. But the business of small children is not just to play, I like that my child also learns things while at daycare.

[Strike 5,841]

I'm not the one complaining to a fantasy football board about what they're doing in daycare in Australia.

 

This is the geek bored. You complain about all sorts of political crap here all the time, doosh.

 

 

Any evidence "most parents" at that daycare "don't want to?"

 

This is a pretty clear indicator:

 

 

"In a 2003 national survey, less than two percent of Australian men identified themselves as homosexuals and less than one percent of women as lesbians."

[davebg 0]

daycare is not public school.

You sure about that...in Australia (it would seem to be at least partially publicly funded.)

 

itsatip that reading

A federal government minister responsible for family and community services, Mal Brough, also criticized use of the books by a taxpayer-funded facility.

[torridjoe 48]

It's public daycare, and they're clearly trying to teach the kids something. On some level that has to qualify as public school.

 

and that level is?

 

You sure about that...in Australia (it would seem to be at least partially publicly funded.)

 

itsatip that reading

 

how does that make it public school?

[Strike 5,841]

and that level is?

 

A level that shouldn't be used on a 7 year old.

[Strike 5,841]

how does that make it public school?

 

Ooh, the circular reasoning and spin have begun. Torrid loses another thread

[torridjoe 48]

This is the geek bored. You complain about all sorts of political crap here all the time, doosh.

 

Which has what do to with this particular topic, in which someone else is complaining?

 

This is a pretty clear indicator:

"In a 2003 national survey, less than two percent of Australian men identified themselves as homosexuals and less than one percent of women as lesbians."

 

It's a pretty clear indicator that you don't know your ass from your elbow when it comes to making rational connections from data points.

[Artist Formerly Known as Big O 0]

tell her that im poor and newly married like you and poor and a lifelong chiefs fan and poor and would be forever indebted. Did I mention that I'm poor?

 

 

Dont you dare, he's a CHIEFS fan for christsakes.

[torridjoe 48]

A level that shouldn't be used on a 7 year old.

 

that sentence doesn't even make sense.

[cmh6476 1,057]

Dont you dare, he's a CHIEFS fan for christsakes.

broncos (?) suck

[davebg 0]

Right...my point was what right do you or davebg or the rest of you rednecks have to deny it them?

Ah...I see you've joined the debate. Lowest common denominator time again, eh?

 

If you had bothered to read what I wrote (or had any reading comprehension skills) you would have seen that I am addressing two pieces of this argument.

 

I am talking about why I do not believe that this is approriate material for preschoolers.

 

I am also talking about my personal opinion on the gay marriage debate. I do not deny them any of the rights associated w/marriage...I stop at calling it a marriage b/c to me marriage is a function of religion...to me everything else is a civil union.

[Artist Formerly Known as Big O 0]

broncos (?) suck

 

 

ding-ding-ding! We have a winnah!

[cmh6476 1,057]

ding-ding-ding! We have a winnah!

yeah, they like suck and stuff

[torridjoe 48]

Here we go again!!!!

 

so you don't have an answer as to how a publicly financed daycare center is a public school?

[hoytdwow 202]

I stop at calling it a marriage b/c to me marriage is a function of religion...to me everything else is a civil union.

I was not married in a church. Does that mean I and millions of other couples are merely civilly united in the davebg universe?

[torridjoe 48]

Actually..."we" do. My child is 20 months old and has been learning things about reading and math (now, not adding or anything...but basics of numbers and counting and ABCs is the same thing).

 

Why would you react so harshly to learning that, but think it normal to talk about the other? (not that I am agreeing with any sentiment here about whether children that age should be exposed to such things, though I believe that is the responsibility of the parent and not the day care, though not to worry, my child is in a Christian daycare...not necessarily because we were only looking into Christian daycares...but because the one closest to us that we had the best feel for is a Christian daycare).

 

The point is, you jumped right in about the math and reading stuff as if that was not normal. But the business of small children is not just to play, I like that my child also learns things while at daycare.

 

I reacted "harshly?" I just said it's not a good idea; there are other, more developmentally appropriate things for kids of preschool age to be learning. I didn't say it wasn't "normal," I simply said it's not a good idea. The business of small children IS just to play. It's how they learn best at that age.

[Strike 5,841]

so you don't have an answer as to how a publicly financed daycare center is a public school?

 

NO, I already gave you that answer. It's just not worth it to anyone here to get into a circular argument. They go like this:

 

Muhammad: Being a criminal isn't illegal.

Everyone else: Yes it is, by definition.

Muhammad: No it's not.

Everyone else: Yes it is, by definition.

Muhammad: Let me rephrase that. Doing something illegal isn't a crime.

Everyone else: Yes it is, by definition.

Muhammad: No it's not.

 

and so on and so on.....

[torridjoe 48]

If it is funded by taxpayers and anyone with children has a right to use the facility, then it is considered public. If the place could deny entry to your child, then it is private.

In the eyes of the law, you are married.

In the eyes of the church, you are going to rot in hell.

 

HTH.

 

On what basis are you aware that anyone with children has the right to use the facility?

And in any case, how does that make a daycare a "public school?"

[Sho Nuff 720]

I reacted "harshly?" I just said it's not a good idea; there are other, more developmentally appropriate things for kids of preschool age to be learning. I didn't say it wasn't "normal," I simply said it's not a good idea. The business of small children IS just to play. It's how they learn best at that age.

 

Teaching skills like math and reading is not a good idea...but teaching them about having two mommies is?

 

And there are a variety of ways children learn at that age...and just playing is not the only way.

[torridjoe 48]

NO, I already gave you that answer. It's just not worth it to anyone here to get into a circular argument. They go like this:

 

Muhammad: Being a criminal isn't illegal.

Everyone else: Yes it is, by definition.

Muhammad: No it's not.

Everyone else: Yes it is, by definition.

Muhammad: Let me rephrase that. Doing something illegal isn't a crime.

Everyone else: Yes it is, by definition.

Muhammad: No it's not.

 

and so on and so on.....

 

forget to log back in as Toro, did you?

[davebg 0]

I was not married in a church. Does that mean I and millions of other couples are merely civilly united in the davebg universe?

I wasn't married in a temple, but I was married by a rabbi. He said prayers. We signed a kituba( sp?)

 

That, IMO, makes it a marriage, as opposed to a civil union.

 

Now...feel free to tell me how my personal opinions and beliefs are wrong.

[torridjoe 48]

Teaching skills like math and reading is not a good idea...but teaching them about having two mommies is?

 

And there are a variety of ways children learn at that age...and just playing is not the only way.

 

to your first question, yes.

 

There may be a variety of ways, but extensive research indicates play is by far the BEST way.

[D_House 0]

I wasn't married in a temple, but I was married by a rabbi. He said prayers. We signed a kituba( sp?)

 

That, IMO, makes it a marriage, as opposed to a civil union.

 

Now...feel free to tell me how my personal opinion and beliefs are wrong.

[Strike 5,841]

forget to log back in as Toro, did you?

 

No. I'm not Toro. I DID already answer that question. I simply replied to Toro's post because I know why noone answers anymore when you start going circular, or when you can't defend yourself anymore after being proven wrong.

[Strike 5,841]

to your first question, yes.

 

There may be a variety of ways, but extensive research indicates play is by far the BEST way.

 

So answer me again, since you failed to the first time, why it matters whether the kids are taught about gays or not at that age? Quite honestly, if play is best, why are they reading books? Shouldn't they be playing? BTW, you should have played more when you were younger...

[T-Bird1 0]

I honestly believe I was the last human being on earth to realize the Village People were gay.

 

They were ?????

[Fumbleweed 554]

Did it ever occur to you that there might be some people out there who are not afraid of gays...who do not hate gays...who think that gays should have the same rights as non-gays (like health benefits, access to public services, etc), but also oppose gay marriage?

 

To answer your question honestly, this never registers with MDC. We've been down the path for years.

 

The whole problem with this was the inclusion of a gay pride parade in the book. It became all about agenda at that point. Having two mommies or two daddies may come up occasionally in a story....if it does, it does. But, when the gay pride stuff is included it ceases being a story about whatever and becomes an attempt to influence towards the activist agenda.

[hoytdwow 202]

I wasn't married in a temple, but I was married by a rabbi. He said prayers. We signed a kituba( sp?)

 

That, IMO, makes it a marriage, as opposed to a civil union.

 

Now...feel free to tell me how my personal opinion and beliefs are wrong.

So, anyone not married in a church or by a religious official is in a civil union?

 

Your personal opinion and beliefs are your personal business. If everyone would keep it that way, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. You don't like gay marriage. I don't either. But how can you deny them the right based on your religious beliefs? That's....that's.....unamerican!

[Toro 1]

to your first question, yes.

 

There may be a variety of ways, but extensive research indicates play is by far the BEST way.

 

Tell that to my wife that has to tutor kids for 2 hours after school every day to get them to catch up on three years of reading and math skills because their mommy and daddy (or 2 mommies) thought it was better for them to play freeze-tag than learn phonemic awareness and basic addition.

 

I will agree that socializing kids at an early age will allow them to develop fully, but to say that you should let them play versus teaching them is ludicrous.

[davebg 0]

So, anyone not married in a church or by a religious official is in a civil union?

That's pretty much how I see it. I know it's not exactly how it is....just how I think it should be.

 

Your personal opinion and beliefs are your personal business. If everyone would keep it that way, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

If everyone would keep it that way, we wouldn't be reading a story about how certain special interest groups are using children and their schools as the new battleground for their own agenda.

[fastfish 0]

nuthin' smokes torrid outta his hiding place faster than a chance to defend gay-indoctrination of kids eh?

 

let's review the facts:

 

1. this is daycare and these books are beginning level reading

 

2. so for little Freddie's first book, we help him read how little Sue went to the GAY-PRIDE MARDI-GRAS...where she and her two mums met little Davie and his two dads.

 

3. who here will deny that this is homo-agenda driven curriculum?

 

4. who here believes this shouldn't be happening to our children?

 

don't be so PC that you forget how to be outraged...the looney left wants to lull US to sleep their "tolerance lullaby"...and when we wake up, we will all be living in the nation of San Francisco.

[torridjoe 48]

No. I'm not Toro. I DID already answer that question. I simply replied to Toro's post because I know why noone answers anymore when you start going circular, or when you can't defend yourself anymore after being proven wrong.

 

or you're just a hopeless attention ###### who is so maniacally drawn to me that you can't avoid answering questions that are not even directed to you. One of the two.