Here's how I know the 10 Commandments story is BS

[wiffleball 4,790]

God loves children. Geebus raves about children as role models repeatedly. No other human is as lionized by God and Jesus as are children. Do a scan of the bible and you'll see it yourself.

 

So, with that in mind....

 

 

If you have any biblical knowledge and context, you have to know the The 10 Commandments ("10C") story is such a pile of shiot. Moses, (who had a speech impediment, BTW) was losing control of 'his' people. People were fockign each other's wives, ripping off each other's stuff - I mean, imagine months of Woodstock and you'd see the same behavior (Hell, you see the same behavior in one weekend). On top of that Moses' only real hold over these people was his 'special relationship' with God. When people started worshiping other gods, he was basically just a stuttering old man leading a bunch of people on a road to nowhere. By the time of the 10C, he had pretty much lost all credibiilty and authority.

 

Then, in the middle of this, suddenly, GOD provides to him (in secret of course) the 10C.

 

Now, bear in mind that the 10C - minus a few - are basically civil laws. Laws to keep a crowd like Moses' from coming apart at the seams. Oh - and hey - BTW - "I AM THE ONE TRUE GOD, DON'T WORSHIP FALSE IDOLS". Well, that's convenient - that pretty much wipes out anybody worshipping any other God and thereby reasserts Moses' fading role.

 

Yeah, here's where it gets a little shady:

 

God loves children. ADORES children. Extols the very virtues of children as a role models to his people. God can also see as far into tiime as the end of time itself. He knows not only the sins that have been committed, but those that will be. He sees the cruelty, the perversion inflicted upon his blessed adored children.

 

...Yet: Not a SINGLE thing in the 10C related to Child Abuse or Sexual abuse of a child.

 

How does a God that adores children - who as sure as he sees anything, sees the cruelties inflicted upon children, not even MENTION this as a abomination against not only mankind, but God himself? Moreover, how does a God that adores children decide to outlaw 'coveting thy neighbor's livestock" , but doesn't say a THING about abusing children in his list of most crucial sins to be avoided?

 

The obvious answer is this: Moses was losing his people. He was losing them because of two factors 1) Civil disobedience (stealing each other's livestock, focking each other's wives) and 2) People were turning to other, equally ineffective Gods.

 

Why isn't child abuse mentioned? 1) B/C that wasn't losing Moses his leadership role and 2) Because it was socially acceptable at the time. Yet a God who is timeless, A God who sees until the end of time, A God who adores children, would EASILY have included a prohibitiong against sins against children in God's "Timeless Rules".

 

Any amount of context or intellect takes you to this position. Those who still believe the Noah story sure as heck will buy off on this myth too. But anybody who takes their faith seriously knows the difference between reasoned faith and blind acceptance is critical reasoning. - And this story doesn't bear under rational scrutiny NOR FAITH in a loving, omniscient God.

 

(I'd prolly have more fun on FBG with this one)

[RLLD 4,230]

[TyCobb 0]

Just so I'm straight, your proof that the Ten Commandments are a fraud is the fact that they don't mention child abuse?

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Just so I'm straight, your proof that the Ten Commandments are a fraud is the fact that they don't mention child abuse?

 

LOL

[jerryskids 6,790]

I thought wiff was going to say, "where is THOU SHALT NOT BREASTFEED IN PUBLIC!@#"

 

Seriously wiff, you answered your own question. An omniscient God would know that if he went too far, he would lose his chosen people. BTW I'm not terribly religious, I just like poking holes in your positions.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

He should have also included something about banging your mom. We are all paying for that one.

[wiffleball 4,790]

I thought wiff was going to say, "where is THOU SHALT NOT BREASTFEED IN PUBLIC!@#"

 

Seriously wiff, you answered your own question. An omniscient God would know that if he went too far, he would lose his chosen people. BTW I'm not terribly religious, I just like poking holes in your positions.

 

Hilarious. You seriously think a God who outlawed even LUSTING after someone's wife, is thinkign "Gee, I'd hate the lose the crowd on this whole paedophilia thing. It didn't do well in the test marketing".

 

Sorry, you haven't proven yourself strong enough to poke holes in a sun-baked ten year old condom.

[Big Blue 06 195]

This is your proof??

 

It is also my proof...

 

that you're an idiot.

[edjr 6,580]

George Carlin on the 10 commandments

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWquwHlGXZE

 

[IndyTom 0]

Christians wrote the New Testament, not the Old.

 

HTH

 

[jerryskids 6,790]

Hilarious. You seriously think a God who outlawed even LUSTING after someone's wife, is thinkign "Gee, I'd hate the lose the crowd on this whole paedophilia thing. It didn't do well in the test marketing".

 

Sorry, you haven't proven yourself strong enough to poke holes in a sun-baked ten year old condom.

I dunno wiff, God hasn't discussed it specifically with me, and I wasn't there to know how prevalent it was.

 

Maybe he thought 10 was a catchy number; count on your fingers and all. Note how the Big 10 is still the Big 10 even though they have 11 teams... do you think people would remember the "eleven commandments"?

 

I don't even know why I'm having this discussion, it is moronic.

[Snoopy1 0]

George Carlin on the 10 commandments

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWquwHlGXZE

 

 

 

You know, I think I'll watch this one when I get home.

[Rybo5 0]

I think the movie's kinda cool and all, but it still kind of amazes me that some people think that things actually happened like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that's just me of course.

[shmonkeys 0]

This is your proof??

 

It is also my proof...

 

that you're an idiot.

[edjr 6,580]

George Carlin on Religion.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHlMs2rSIM

[wiffleball 4,790]

This is your proof??

 

It is also my proof...

 

that you're an idiot.

 

that's real contribution, right there allrighty.

[edjr 6,580]

<----- Sun Worshipper.

[Isotopes 1]

It is religion, it doesn't have to make sense for people to believe it.

[edjr 6,580]

It is religion, it doesn't have to make sense for people to believe it.

 

In that case. I believe in Q. Lazzurus

[Blitzen 0]

I'll take the 36C myself.

 

My favorite is that God - being all knowing and thus knowing before hand what would happen - sees his creation behaving badly, and decides to wipe them off of the face of the Earth through a flood, cept for Noah and brood. Of course, this is knowing before hand what was going to happen. Then, again knowing we were going to fock it up, decides to start the experiment again, even going as far as telling us, in the Book of Revelation, that he'll have to wipe evil off of the planet again. What kind of sick all-knowing God would create not one, but two, experiments, he/she would know ahead of time would fail? If God was a scientist and we were rabbits, PETA would be all over this.

 

:Godmysteriouswaystheodiceswords:

 

It is religion, it doesn't have to make sense for people to believe it.

 

I agree so why are they trying to explain it through science? If non-believers tell you that the Grand Canyon was dug over millions of years, don't counter with some half-baked theory about how it could actually have been dug by a single, albeit large, flood. Just tell people God could have dug it instantaneously (he/she is all powerful after all) and made it look like it had happened over a million years simply to fool us.

[Isotopes 1]

I will gladly accept donations from anyone who believes everything in the bible.

 

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matthew 19:24)

[Fumbleweed 547]

I will gladly accept donations from anyone who believes everything in the bible.

 

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matthew 19:24)

 

I do believe it to be inspired....but it is full of metaphors and poetry and a number of writings that you don't take literally word for word. Most of it, I think you can.....but you have to put everything in context. Pulling out a verse here and a verse there is foolish for either side of the argument to do.

 

I will try to respond to this more later. Have to get to work now......

[wiffleball 4,790]

Christians wrote the New Testament, not the Old.

 

I know, right? You'd think the xtians could just laugh this off on those crazy krist killing jews, but this really focks with them. They get that look like when you throw the ball for the dog, but you don't REALLY throw the ball. Then they get all and try to explain it away. I guess it just really messes with their whole "literal translation" mindset.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Sounds to me as if someone has a god complex.

[GobbleDog 996]

Andy Rooney on the 10 Commandments

 

The First Commandment says "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me." That never sounded like anything God would say. It sounds as if he was admitting there were other Gods but he wanted to be first among them. God wouldn't say that.

 

"Thou shalt not worship any graven image." The word "graven" doesn't mean much to us these days.

 

"Thou shalt not take God's name in vain." Good. I don't like to hear kids acting like jerks by swearing.

 

The fourth commandment is "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy." Now, I disagree and I'd take it out. I see nothing wrong with going right from church to the mall on Sunday.

 

"Honor thy father and thy mother." Fine. Maybe "respect" would be a better word, than honor.

 

Six: "Thou shalt not kill." Of course, not.

 

Seven: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Easier said than done.

 

Eight: "Thou shalt not steal." Sure.

 

Nine: "Thou shalt not bear false witness." I don't think most people would know what false witness meant.

 

Ten: In the Bible, that reads: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thy neighbor's wife, his manservant, his maidservant, his ox, his ass or anything that is thy neighbor's." I find it strange that the Ten Commandments assumes these people all had maidservants and manservants as if they were slaves.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Hey retard, watch Mel Brooks' History of the World Part 1 and you will have your answer. There were actually 15 Commandments that God gave Moses, written on 3 tablets. Moses dropped one, so he only had 10 Commandments.

 

The other 5 addressed your concerns, so let's move on.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Hey retard, watch Mel Brooks' History of the World Part 1 and you will have your answer. There were actually 15 Commandments that God gave Moses, written on 3 tablets. Moses dropped one, so he only had 10 Commandments.

 

The other 5 addressed your concerns, so let's move on.

 

 

Did you steal this from FBG retard?

 

 

 

I do believe it to be inspired....but it is full of metaphors and poetry and a number of writings that you don't take literally word for word. Most of it, I think you can.....but you have to put everything in context. Pulling out a verse here and a verse there is foolish for either side of the argument to do.

 

I will try to respond to this more later. Have to get to work now......

 

 

Ah Flanders The only poster on the bored I've seen capable of providing thoughtful, intelligent answers on a subject like this.

 

Agree with your post so far.

[GobbleDog 996]

I do believe it to be inspired....but it is full of metaphors and poetry and a number of writings that you don't take literally word for word. Most of it, I think you can.....but you have to put everything in context. Pulling out a verse here and a verse there is foolish for either side of the argument to do.

 

How do you know which parts to take literally and which parts are just metaphors?

 

Jesus walking on water, curing the blind, turning 1 fishie into thousands of fishies, and other magic tricks? Metaphor or literal?

 

 

[wiffleball 4,790]

How do you know which parts to take literally and which parts are just metaphors?

 

Jesus walking on water, curing the blind, turning 1 fishie into thousands of fishies, and other magic tricks? Metaphor or literal?

 

 

More than anything, think that's where critical reasoning and faith come together. The truly faithful (should) pray for discernment. Faith isn't blind adherence to an obviously flawed collection of myths. We see what that kind of "faith" brings us with our Muslim frineds. It's funny, through true faith, we find truth. Through truth, we find faith.

[Blitzen 0]

I do believe it to be inspired....but it is full of metaphors and poetry and a number of writings that you don't take literally word for word. Most of it, I think you can.....

 

How do you know that? If it is God-inspired, how do you, or anyone else for that matter, know what needs to be taken literally? Do you read the mind of God?

[rallo 136]

Christians wrote the New Testament, not the Old.

 

HTH

 

 

it's true... while christians observe the 10C... i think jews would have more of a problem with your story... as jews observe the old testament but not the new...

 

another thing... people are always trying to prove religion is false, and get overly offended by religious people it seems. Sure there may not be a God or Jesus or whatever, but i'm proud to be catholic. Religion teaches people to think about other peoples needs. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc. when was the last time you've heard a group of atheists having a can drive for the poor or taking up a collecting at church to help pay for vaccinations in third world countries??

 

So you know, after taking all my evolution/genetics classes - there may not be a God. But there is still a strong community that thinks about others before themselves.

[GobbleDog 996]

More than anything, think that's where critical reasoning and faith come together.

 

Seems to me that's where they split apart.

[MLCKAA 573]

I know, right? You'd think the xtians could just laugh this off on those crazy krist killing jews, but this really focks with them. They get that look like when you throw the ball for the dog, but you don't REALLY throw the ball. Then they get all and try to explain it away. I guess it just really messes with their whole "literal translation" mindset.

 

As a christian I can tell you that your anti-10C thing doesn't get me all

 

There are a lot of things that aren't specified in the 10C. You've identified one of them.

 

Most of my fellow christians aren't very hung up on the 10C because they are pretty easy to abide by. The 10C are simple to follow.

 

You want an example of a tough standard, check out Romans 12:9-21. This passage from the new testament is often referred to as Christian Ethics. Too many who call themselves Christian are completely ignorant of it.

 

" 9 Love must be without hypocrisy. Detest evil; cling to what is good.

10 Show family affection to one another with brotherly love. Outdo one another in showing honor.

11 Do not lack diligence; be fervent in spirit; serve the Lord.

12 Rejoice in hope; be patient in affliction; be persistent in prayer.

13 Share with the saints in their needs; pursue hospitality.

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.

15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; weep with those who weep.

16 Be in agreement with one another. Do not be proud; instead, associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own estimation.

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Try to do what is honorable in everyone's eyes.

18 If possible, on your part, live at peace with everyone.

19 Friends, do not avenge yourselves; instead, leave room for His wrath. For it is written: Vengeance belongs to Me; I will repay, says the Lord.

 

20 But

 

If your enemy is hungry, feed him.

If he is thirsty, give him something to drink.

For in so doing you will be heaping fiery coals on his head.

 

21 Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil with good. "

[birdbrain3X 0]

If it is God-inspired, how do you, or anyone else for that matter, know what needs to be taken literally? Do you read the mind of God?

 

You use your collective reasoning. Take the bible, science and your life experience and add them together. Granted, some people just are not intelligent enough to do this. But if you look closely you will see that God gives you the answers. "Religion" is almost always a joke because it is run by the arrogance of man but God is real and is speaking to you. Seek and ye shall find. Most people who doubt have not looked hard enough.

[parrot 789]

when was the last time you've heard a group of atheists having a can drive for the poor or taking up a collecting at church to help pay for vaccinations in third world countries??

 

I have to admit I hardly ever hear about atheists taking up collections at church.

[rallo 136]

I have to admit I hardly ever hear about atheists taking up collections at church.

 

not even during sunday school at st. paul's atheist plaza???

 

that was my fault for bad wording...

[Blitzen 0]

Granted, some people just are not intelligent enough to do this.

 

You mean people like Copernicus and Galileo?

 

They were ostracized by the Church interpreting the Bible in its way in those days but of course NOW, yes NOW we CERTAINLY interpret it the right way. Because we say we do (just like they did in those days).

 

Aaaaaaaaaaah, the Church, not the religion, is the problem you say. Well who chose which books would make up the Bible?

 

Why do you need to interpret? Why couldn't an all-powerful god actually create the world in a few days and simply make it look like it should have taken a LOT longer just to mess with us? Because he doesn't like to mess with us?

 

when was the last time you've heard a group of atheists having a can drive for the poor or taking up a collecting at church to help pay for vaccinations in third world countries??

 

 

I've been part of, and leader of, several such drives in the past for local causes. I have personally delivered food baskets to the needy. I spent my sundays, for months when I was in highschool, working at an auspice being basically the only visitor some of these old folks ever had. Religious people don't have exclusive rights to generosity.

[wiffleball 4,790]

As a christian I can tell you that your anti-10C thing doesn't get me all

 

There are a lot of things that aren't specified in the 10C. You've identified one of them.

 

Most of my fellow christians aren't very hung up on the 10C because they are pretty easy to abide by. The 10C are simple to follow.

 

You want an example of a tough standard, check out Romans 12:9-21. This passage from the new testament is often referred to as Christian Ethics. Too many who call themselves Christian are completely ignorant of it.

 

" 9 Love must be without hypocrisy. Detest evil; cling to what is good.

10 Show family affection to one another with brotherly love. Outdo one another in showing honor.

11 Do not lack diligence; be fervent in spirit; serve the Lord.

12 Rejoice in hope; be patient in affliction; be persistent in prayer.

13 Share with the saints in their needs; pursue hospitality.

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.

15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; weep with those who weep.

16 Be in agreement with one another. Do not be proud; instead, associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own estimation.

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Try to do what is honorable in everyone's eyes.

18 If possible, on your part, live at peace with everyone.

19 Friends, do not avenge yourselves; instead, leave room for His wrath. For it is written: Vengeance belongs to Me; I will repay, says the Lord.

 

20 But

 

If your enemy is hungry, feed him.

If he is thirsty, give him something to drink.

For in so doing you will be heaping fiery coals on his head.

 

21 Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil with good. "

 

 

Nice 2nd half of your post. All Geebus could come up with was "love thy neighbor as thyself..."

 

The first half of your post? Here's the crux of the issue:

 

The 10C are the only time in biblical history (BC) where God himself has manifested himself to mankind and specifically stated the terms of a sacred covenant between God and Man. THAT's some pretty heady stuff right there.

 

You say there are lots of things that aren't covered in the 10C - and I'd tend to agree. The Bible talks about not eating shellfish and pork and other nonsense, but we're talking abut God coming down from heaven and manifesting himself to reeal those things that are MOST critical to and/or abhorent to Faith. Again, the very terms of God's covenant.

 

If you believe that. (And Theologically, you kind of have to, don't you?), then it's hard to swallow that God cares more about us coveting thy neighbor's ass than beating and or raping children.

[rallo 136]

You mean people like Copernicus and Galileo?

 

They were ostracized by the Church interpreting the Bible in its way in those days but of course NOW, yes NOW we CERTAINLY interpret it the right way. Because we say we do (just like they did in those days).

 

Aaaaaaaaaaah, the Church, not the religion, is the problem you say. Well who chose which books would make up the Bible?

 

Why do you need to interpret? Why couldn't an all-powerful god actually create the world in a few days and simply make it look like it should have taken a LOT longer just to mess with us? Because he doesn't like to mess with us?

I've been part of, and leader of, several such drives in the past for local causes. I have personally delivered food baskets to the needy. I spent my sundays, for months when I was in highschool, working at an auspice being basically the only visitor some of these old folks ever had. Religious people don't have exclusive rights to generosity.

 

glad to see you are doing your part in the community... now give me $20 for dance marathon

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I've been part of, and leader of, several such drives in the past for local causes. I have personally delivered food baskets to the needy. I spent my sundays, for months when I was in highschool, working at an auspice being basically the only visitor some of these old folks ever had. Religious people don't have exclusive rights to generosity.

 

I did the same thing growing up, except I worked at a hospice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, could not resist the grammar Nazi work