UPDATORED: Oh, it is focking ON!

[Rybo5 0]

I think this all a set up. MayAnn's probably crapping on your patio herself and letting everyone think it's the dog!!!! :detective:

[jerryskids 7,195]

You should get your money back from those therapy sessions.

[davebg 0]

You should get your money back from those therapy sessions.

Why? This has nothing to do w/my relationship w/Mrs. DaveBG. Actually, things have been going rather well between us.

 

Do you think it's unreasonable for me to get this pissed off after having her dog crap fall from two floors up on THREE occasions already, despite being warned by the management office?

 

The weather's getting warner out here in the east. Mrs. DaveBG and I have nice patio furniture. We spend a bunch of $$$ every spring and summer on plants and flowers to make everything look really nice. We eat out there often and entertain company.

 

The day that a turd comes over the balcony while I'm out there eating or entertaining is that day the police need to be called to my development b/c I will loose my sh|t.

[Mungwater 601]

 

The day that a turd comes over the balcony while I'm out there eating or entertaining is that day the police need to be called to my development b/c I will loose my sh|t.

 

You don't have to worry about losing yours, you can just bend over and pick up a fresh one..

[jerryskids 7,195]

Why? This has nothing to do w/my relationship w/Mrs. DaveBG. Actually, things have been going rather well between us.

 

Do you think it's unreasonable for me to get this pissed off after having her dog crap fall from two floors up on THREE occasions already, despite being warned by the management office?

 

The weather's getting warner out here in the east. Mrs. DaveBG and I have nice patio furniture. We spend a bunch of $$$ every spring and summer on plants and flowers to make everything look really nice. We eat out there often and entertain company.

 

The day that a turd comes over the balcony while I'm out there eating or entertaining is that day the police need to be called to my development b/c I will loose my sh|t.

It may not be directly related to your relationship, but the pattern is the same. You are very much a win/lose person Dave, whether it be an argument with your wife or dog poop on your patio.

 

You enjoy the process of attempting to make this lady look bad in the eyes of your neighbors. Some may agree with you, but I expect most will think you are some wacko being mean to an old lady and will wonder why you wrote that letter. At least that is how I would feel.

[Guest Davaco]

i wish i got free fertilizer

[davebg 0]

It may not be directly related to your relationship, but the pattern is the same. You are very much a win/lose person Dave, whether it be an argument with your wife or dog poop on your patio.

 

You enjoy the process of attempting to make this lady look bad in the eyes of your neighbors. Some may agree with you, but I expect most will think you are some wacko being mean to an old lady and will wonder why you wrote that letter. At least that is how I would feel.

Yeah...not wanting dog sh|t to continue to fall two stories onto me and my property...where I entertain guests and eat...that is just "wacko" and "mean", right?

 

She has been spoken to numerous times by the management. They are equally disgusted by her behavior.

 

The lady insists that everyone should have pity on her and her dog and put up w/the mess...that is, if she actually believed it was happening, which she doesn't. Supposedly the next time it will go before the board and they will decide upon a course of action to either fine her or take her to court. Frankly, I fail to see why this has to happen yet again before they warn her that the next time will be a fine or court...so I'd have to deal w/this happeneing at least two more times before any serious action is taken?

 

FOCK THAT!

[Jessy 0]

You enjoy the process of attempting to make this lady look bad in the eyes of your neighbors. Some may agree with you, but I expect most will think you are some wacko being mean to an old lady and will wonder why you wrote that letter. At least that is how I would feel.

 

I have to agree. Also, I would wonder why in the hell you would think I should care, if I was one of the people lucky enough to get one of your flyers. It's a dispute between you and your neighbor. Don't go sticking some flyer on my door thinking I'll give a god damn one way or another.

 

You talk so much about it being an upscale, classy place and all that. Your behavior in this matter is absolutely not classy nor befitting an upscale residence.

[brinett9 0]

You should see if you can get into neighbor counseling.

[cday 0]

I have to agree. Also, I would wonder why in the hell you would think I should care, if I was one of the people lucky enough to get one of your flyers. It's a dispute between you and your neighbor. Don't go sticking some flyer on my door thinking I'll give a god damn one way or another.

 

You talk so much about it being an upscale, classy place and all that. Your behavior in this matter is absolutely not classy nor befitting an upscale residence.

 

indeed. jerry is right on regarding the win/lose therapy bit.

[Groundhog 24]

Get management to force her to pay for a retrofit of her balcony so that the dog can't squat al fresco and deposit the droppings on your property. Maybe wood spindles that prevent a dog-ass-extension outside of his own balcony space. This prevents poop from falling on your property in the first place. End of problem.

[kutulu 1,724]

Hey, if it's not too much trouble, could you get a picture of the next dogcrap for the Geek Picture Thread?

 

TIA

[davebg 0]

I have to agree. Also, I would wonder why in the hell you would think I should care, if I was one of the people lucky enough to get one of your flyers. It's a dispute between you and your neighbor. Don't go sticking some flyer on my door thinking I'll give a god damn one way or another.

 

You talk so much about it being an upscale, classy place and all that. Your behavior in this matter is absolutely not classy nor befitting an upscale residence.

OK, so what's your proposed solution? How can I get this pig to stop letting her dog use her balcony as a dog run?

 

I've tried speaking to her and (as hard as it is to believe) I was very cool, calm and collected about it...very polite (as this was the first time I had met her.) No cursing, no name calling, nothing.

 

That didn't work.

 

I've reported her to the management.

 

That didn't work.

 

I've called her out on the message board.

 

That didn't work.

 

I was standing there on Friday when management called her. She flatly denies that this is happeneing. Furthermore, she doesn't seem to care...she thinks that everyone should lover her dog as much as she does and therefore just deal with it.

 

Calling her out to the entire building is my next proposed step to stopping her. If you've got a better solution, let's hear it.

 

Get management to force her to pay for a retrofit of her balcony so that the dog can't squat al fresco and deposit the droppings on your property. Maybe wood spindles that prevent a dog-ass-extension outside of his own balcony space. This prevents poop from falling on your property in the first place. End of problem.

Actually, management initially suggested that she line the balcony w/chicken wire or something that isn't visible from the ground to prevent more turds from fallling my way. I pointed out to management that this wasn't such a great solution. If the dog is out there pooping, it's likely pissing too. The balconies are designed such that rainwater will run off and down. So, in all likelihood, I'm getting dog piss dribbling down too, but since it's been the winter and I haven't been spending too much time out there I haven't seen it.

[kpbuckeye 3]

I have to agree. Also, I would wonder why in the hell you would think I should care, if I was one of the people lucky enough to get one of your flyers. It's a dispute between you and your neighbor. Don't go sticking some flyer on my door thinking I'll give a god damn one way or another.

 

You talk so much about it being an upscale, classy place and all that. Your behavior in this matter is absolutely not classy nor befitting an upscale residence.

 

 

you would be wrong. I would want to know if I lived anywhere in the area where the poop would or could fall. Tell us what your solution would be

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

It may not be directly related to your relationship, but the pattern is the same. You are very much a win/lose person Dave, whether it be an argument with your wife or dog poop on your patio.

 

You enjoy the process of attempting to make this lady look bad in the eyes of your neighbors. Some may agree with you, but I expect most will think you are some wacko being mean to an old lady and will wonder why you wrote that letter. At least that is how I would feel.

 

 

Thank focking GOD.

 

I agree 10000000% with Jerry.

 

It's totally all about winning and losing with you Dave.

 

I also agree with Jessy. Don't clutter up MY yard, and MY doorstep with your focking flyer. How many of those ended up in the middle of the street, littering?

 

You should deal directly with the management, and just leave the lady alone.

 

I am WAITING for her to bring up harrassment charges or something on you.

[Strike 6,032]

Dave,

 

If your board is like any other homeowners association you're entitled to attend their meetings. You should do so and specifically ask them what they plan to do if this is such a big deal. I understand your problem with the situation but throwing a tantrum, posting on community message boards, and hanging flyers for the specific purpose of embarrassing your neighbor publicly is an 8 year olds reaction and not a solution to the actual problem.

[jets24 6]

Dave, do not put that letter out there for people. You will wind up causing more agravation for yourself. Trust me. I am in the property management business. There is likely a huge disconnect between the management company and the Board of Trustees. You MUST go to the next board meeting and speak your mind. Handle yourself in a civilized fashion. Tell them that this is three times and you have had it. You properly alerted the management company and they likely failed to do their job. Make sure that the board knows that you went to the management company and tell them what they suggested you do. (Wait for the fourth one). Find the section in your bylaws under "nuisance" or "pets" or whatever it is and see what the process is. It's likely that the management company didn't properly notice the lady after your first complaint, hoping it would go away. Usually, it's three violations and the fines begin. However, the fines can only begin if they offered the woman ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution). They must, by law offer her a chance to explain herself if she disagrees with the fines. You can also request ADR immediately. Perhaps you should just do that right now. Type up a formal letter to the board and management company, asking for an ADR hearing. Again, by law, they must give it to you. Once you write that letter, the management company will panic because they probably don't have an ADR committee in place. This will solve the problem. If you wish for more advice, feel free to leave your email address and I can contact you. DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID! TRUST ME! YOU WILL ONLY MAKE IT WORSE FOR YOU!

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

Dave,

 

If your board is like any other homeowners association you're entitled to attend their meetings. You should do so and specifically ask them what they plan to do if this is such a big deal. I understand your problem with the situation but throwing a tantrum, posting on community message boards, and hanging flyers for the specific purpose of embarrassing your neighbor publicly is an 8 year olds reaction and not a solution to the actual problem.

 

 

Honestly, I think that he's hoping that she'll get tired of it and just move.

[cday 0]

exactly. you deal with the management on this, you don't keep escalating the situation by dealing with her, threatening to 'out' her to the community, posting flyers, etc. it's juvenile behaviour and though you are clearly in the right, it puts you in a bad light and management is less likely to jump to address the problem.

[Jessy 0]

It sounds like there are steps in place that you need to follow -- reporting it to the management office, them meeting to discuss it, them deciding whether or not to fine her or take her to court. And God knows how long things will take if they go to court. Sometimes things don't get resolved immediately.

 

Are you taking pictures and documenting every incidence? I should think the more evidence you have, the easier it will be for you and the management company to do something about it.

 

Failing all of that, I'd call the housing inspector. That has to be some kind of health code violation.

 

But in the end, you do what you feel you have to do and hope she doesn't accuse you of harassment.

[davebg 0]

Dave, do not put that letter out there for people. You will wind up causing more agravation for yourself. Trust me. I am in the property management business. There is likely a huge disconnect between the management company and the Board of Trustees. You MUST go to the next board meeting and speak your mind. Handle yourself in a civilized fashion. Tell them that this is three times and you have had it. You properly alerted the management company and they likely failed to do their job. Make sure that the board knows that you went to the management company and tell them what they suggested you do. (Wait for the fourth one). Find the section in your bylaws under "nuisance" or "pets" or whatever it is and see what the process is. It's likely that the management company didn't properly notice the lady after your first complaint, hoping it would go away. Usually, it's three violations and the fines begin. However, the fines can only begin if they offered the woman ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution). They must, by law offer her a chance to explain herself if she disagrees with the fines. You can also request ADR immediately. Perhaps you should just do that right now. Type up a formal letter to the board and management company, asking for an ADR hearing. Again, by law, they must give it to you. Once you write that letter, the management company will panic because they probably don't have an ADR committee in place. This will solve the problem. If you wish for more advice, feel free to leave your email address and I can contact you. DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID! TRUST ME! YOU WILL ONLY MAKE IT WORSE FOR YOU!

Thank you. Finally, some helpful advice.

[Toro 3]

OK, so what's your proposed solution? How can I get this pig to stop letting her dog use her balcony as a dog run?

 

I've tried speaking to her and (as hard as it is to believe) I was very cool, calm and collected about it...very polite (as this was the first time I had met her.) No cursing, no name calling, nothing.

 

That didn't work.

 

I've reported her to the management.

 

That didn't work.

 

I've called her out on the message board.

 

That didn't work.

 

I was standing there on Friday when management called her. She flatly denies that this is happeneing. Furthermore, she doesn't seem to care...she thinks that everyone should lover her dog as much as she does and therefore just deal with it.

 

Calling her out to the entire building is my next proposed step to stopping her. If you've got a better solution, let's hear it.

Actually, management initially suggested that she line the balcony w/chicken wire or something that isn't visible from the ground to prevent more turds from fallling my way. I pointed out to management that this wasn't such a great solution. If the dog is out there pooping, it's likely pissing too. The balconies are designed such that rainwater will run off and down. So, in all likelihood, I'm getting dog piss dribbling down too, but since it's been the winter and I haven't been spending too much time out there I haven't seen it.

 

I am going to have to agree with Dave on this situation. He tried talking with her, and then addressing management. He followed the correct steps for normal discourse and has failed. We aren't talking about someone playing their stereo loudly or something.

 

I would have already smeared her dog crap all over her door and her car. But hey, that's just me.

[davebg 0]

I would have already smeared her dog crap all over her door and her car. But hey, that's just me.

You have no idea how hard it has been for me to resist.

[cday 0]

I am going to have to agree with Dave on this situation. He tried talking with her, and then addressing management. He followed the correct steps for normal discourse and has failed. We aren't talking about someone playing their stereo loudly or something.

 

I would have already smeared her dog crap all over her door and her car. But hey, that's just me.

 

some people can function in society, some can't.

 

the 'eye for an eye' ###### is so juvenile. escalating it is not going to solve the problem. if you don't want to solve the problem and just want to 'get even', then yeah, go ahead and throw dog ###### on her door. because after that, management is probably going to come after you as well.

[davebg 0]

the 'eye for an eye' ###### is so juvenile. escalating it is not going to solve the problem. if you don't want to solve the problem and just want to 'get even', then yeah, go ahead and throw dog ###### on her door. because after that, management is probably going to come after you as well.

Which is exactly why I have not done this (regardless of how much satisfaction it might give me to do so.)

 

However, this has always been a situation where I go out on my patio and see the dog poop that is already there. If the day ever comes when I'm out there...eating dinner w/Mrs. DaveBG or possibly w/guests over and a turd comes down from her balcony onto my patio in front or (or ON!) me or my guests...I honestly don't know if I'll be able to control my anger.

[Toro 3]

some people can function in society, some can't.

 

the 'eye for an eye' ###### is so juvenile. escalating it is not going to solve the problem. if you don't want to solve the problem and just want to 'get even', then yeah, go ahead and throw dog ###### on her door. because after that, management is probably going to come after you as well.

 

I am not saying get caught.

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

Which is exactly why I have not done this (regardless of how much satisfaction it might give me to do so.)

 

However, this has always been a situation where I go out on my patio and see the dog poop that is already there. If the day ever comes when I'm out there...eating dinner w/Mrs. DaveBG or possibly w/guests over and a turd comes down from her balcony onto my patio in front or (or ON!) me or my guests...I honestly don't know if I'll be able to control my anger.

 

I don't think that you can control your anger in ANY situation, honestly.

[davebg 0]

Just got off the phone w/the board of health in my town. The woman I spoke to said she doesn't know if they'd have any jurisdiction, but that she'd have the health inspector call me anyway to see if there was anything he could do to help me.

[hellothere 1]

this is some good "old school" entertainment. why can't every thread be poop-story fun

[kutulu 1,724]

dogcrap lady, 4

davebg, zero

 

[davebg 0]

I just spoke to the management office and told them I wanted this matter to go before the board at their next mtg. I was told to send an official request via email. Here's what I sent:

Bill-

 

You and I have spoken previously about the problem that I am having w/my neighbor, MaryAnn XXXXX in 505 XXXX Ct, in regards to her letting her large dog out on her balcony to do its busienss...only to have dog poop fall from her balcony onto my fenced-in patio on numerous occasions.

 

The first time I noticed it I didn't say anything, as I had never had this happen before and figured it was an isolated incident. The second time it happened I went door to door and discovered that MaryAnn was the only resident above my unit to have a dog and she freely admitted to letting her dog go out on the balcony b/c the dog is old and sometimes the dog doesn't "make it outside." I also reported her behavior to your office (I believe that was on March 8.) I also posted about the incident on the community message board. My post was met w/MaryAnn's accusations that I was slandering her (she obviously is unaware of the legal definition of the term) and that I was "sabotaging her efforts to make friends", which I blame on her actions, rather than my calling attention to said actions.

 

This past Friday, March 23, I came home to find yet another dog turd that had fallen from 505's balcony onto my patio. I came to your office to lodge yet another complaint. I stood there as you called her and you got to experience for yourself the excuses (we should all pity her dog and feel so bad that we just deal w/the poop) and her denials (she thinks I'm making it up...the last one is still sitting out there if she wants to see it or...*GASP* actually wants to clean up her dog's mess.)

 

I want this matter to go before the board at their next meeting. This behavior is dirty and disgusting...and as such I have a call in to the city health department...to say nothing of completely lacking in respect or consideration of one's neighbors. I expect management and the board to act upon this in a timely manner, as I do not know how many more times I can deal with this before I completely lose my cool (I think getting crapped on three times is more than enough.)

 

Currently, I have only noticed when something has dropped from her balcony onto my patio after the fact. As the nice weather approaches I expect to spend even more time enjoying my deck and patio. My wife and I eat out there. We often entertain guests out there for dinner during the summer as well. I want this issue resolved before another pile of dog crap comes down on me or my guests as we're out there b/c if/when that happens I cannot guarantee that cooler heads will prevail.

[phillybear 366]

Just got off the phone w/the board of health in my town. The woman I spoke to said she doesn't know if they'd have any jurisdiction, but that she'd have the health inspector call me anyway to see if there was anything he could do to help me.

 

Larry the Cable Guy, Health Inspector, to the rescue.

[Cdub100 3,996]

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

I just spoke to the management office and told them I wanted this matter to go before the board at their next mtg. I was told to send an official request via email. Here's what I sent:

 

 

Promise that you'll have any other written correspondence proof read for grammatical errors, as well as text before sending it?

[wiffleball 4,797]

I'm starting to understand why you and the missus have the problems you do. I agree that everything you did Up to the point that you posted the letter was appropriate - other than the threat of smearing the poo. She was very wrong, you were right. You informed her and the management company.

 

The letter was just a focking douche-bag, passive-agressive possy move. There's no point to it. You weren't performing some sort of community service by "letting people know what kind of people are moving in" - you just wanted to biitch some more. There was no risk of that dog's poop shooting over to an ever-widening circle of units. You just wanted to biitch. The fact that she didn't fall to her knees, flagelate herself repeatedly and BEG for your forgiveness was motivation alone for you to post your little biitchy missive. As one of your neighbors I would've told you to solve your own focking problems - not fight your little passive-agressive wars on a community message bored. (But then again, this bored IS good practice. Most of us just don't take it to 'real life'.)

 

But hey, you've locked down "douche-bag of the complex" for the year.

[davebg 0]

I'm starting to understand why you and the missus have the problems you do. I agree that everything you did Up to the point that you posted the letter was appropriate - other than the threat of smearing the poo. She was very wrong, you were right. You informed her and the management company.

 

The letter was just a focking douche-bag, passive-agressive possy move. There's no point to it. You weren't performing some sort of community service by "letting people know what kind of people are moving in" - you just wanted to biitch some more. There was no risk of that dog's poop shooting over to an ever-widening circle of units. You just wanted to biitch. The fact that she didn't fall to her knees, flagelate herself repeatedly and BEG for your forgiveness was motivation alone for you to post your little biitchy missive. As one of your neighbors I would've told you to solve your own focking problems - not fight your little passive-agressive wars on a community message bored. (But then again, this bored IS good practice. Most of us just don't take it to 'real life'.)

 

But hey, you've locked down "douche-bag of the complex" for the year.

First, I didn't post the letter anywhere. Jets24, who works in property management, was one of the few people here to actually give me some good advice by not only telling me what not to do, but by recommending what I should do (other than just dealing w/it.)

 

Second, while I do not deny that "outing" her to the building would provide me w/some small measure of satisfaction, that is not why I wanted to post it. I do not expect her to "fall to her knees, flagelate herself repeatedly and BEG for your forgiveness"...I just want her to stop using the balcony above my head as a focking toilet for her dog.

[kutulu 1,724]

Maybe you should suggest everyone start wearing nametags and have everyone's picture posted on the community bulletin board.

 

[kpbuckeye 3]

I'm starting to understand why you and the missus have the problems you do. I agree that everything you did Up to the point that you posted the letter was appropriate - other than the threat of smearing the poo. She was very wrong, you were right. You informed her and the management company.

 

The letter was just a focking douche-bag, passive-agressive possy move. There's no point to it. You weren't performing some sort of community service by "letting people know what kind of people are moving in" - you just wanted to biitch some more. There was no risk of that dog's poop shooting over to an ever-widening circle of units. You just wanted to biitch. The fact that she didn't fall to her knees, flagelate herself repeatedly and BEG for your forgiveness was motivation alone for you to post your little biitchy missive. As one of your neighbors I would've told you to solve your own focking problems - not fight your little passive-agressive wars on a community message bored. (But then again, this bored IS good practice. Most of us just don't take it to 'real life'.)

 

But hey, you've locked down "douche-bag of the complex" for the year.

 

 

hey skin tag, are we supposed to think that you are a 'somebody'? The letter was never sent, so read the thread before you act like you know something. go back to being a whiney little focking crybaby, you are much better at that.

[wiffleball 4,797]

The letter was never sent, so read the thread before you act like you know something.

I just posted this little nugget on our community message board.

 

Take your advice dipshiit and READ THE PART IN RED!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Topic: So much for our nice, clean community

 

I live in 305 XXXXX Ct. and have not only a balcony/deck, but also one of the enclosed patios. Recently (like over the past few weeks since it's gotten really cold out) I have noticed dog crap on my patio, which is kind of odd since I don't have a dog.

 

My relatively new neighbor a couple of flights up in 505 XXXXX Ct. DOES have a dog, though. A big dog...that she apprently lets out on her balcony.

 

Apparently the dog is too old and infirmed (or someone's too lazy) to go outside and do it's business.

 

I have calmly tried to discuss the matter w/Mrs. Dog Crap in 505 XXXXX Ct., but I wasn't exactly left w/the impression that she planned to stop letting her dog use her balcony as a dog run. Heck, I didn't even get an 'I'm sorry.'

 

I have also informed the management office.

 

I just wanted everyone else at IH to know what kind of people are moving in and becoming our neighbors.

 

 

What a focking idiot. (Gee, wonder whose alias kp is.)

[Blitzen 1]

I just spoke to the management office and told them I wanted this matter to go before the board at their next mtg. I was told to send an official request via email. Here's what I sent:

 

The thing you have to explain to them also is that, if she doesn't clean her balcony properly, rain falling on it and trickling down to your patio will be e. coli infested.