UPDATORED: Oh, it is focking ON!

[Groundhog 24]

You need to invent the crap-a-pult. It's a mechanical device that picks up dog crap and flings it in an arc two flights up. With the right aim you could hit the glass balcony door at eye level. Maybe light it on fire just prior to flinging for maximum effectiveness.

[jerryskids 7,195]

I just want to say that there is excellent use of color, white space, and font size in this thread.

[davebg 0]

Yeah, I've READ the thread. So, when you said you "didn't post ANYTHING". EVEN THOUGH you had earlier stated "I posted this on the community message bored. You weren't flip-flopping? Uh-huh, gotcha.

 

Why don't you post another non-post talking about how the gang thinks you're a passive-agressive, weasel who can't even admit he misspoke? - EVEN WHEN IT'S DOCUMENTED FOR EVERYONE TO SEE???

 

Back to my original point; You addressed her, you brought it to the Management office. The Management Orifice is taking care of it.

 

...but that just wasn't enough for you. You had to pointlessly 'inform' the rest of the neighborhood about your personal issue - even though they were at no risk of being turded by said dog.

 

Not you're a whiny, passive-agressive ###### AND a liar.

Again, it seems your reading comprehension skills are a bit lacking.

 

After the second poop I spoke to my neighbor. I posted on the community message board. I notified the management office. The spoke to her. It did not resolve the issue, as I had more poop this Friday.

 

I notifed the management office again. They spoke to her. She denied it was happeneing and even if it was, gave some lame ass excuse that we should feel bad for her dog's situation (a situation that she, the dog's owner, put the dog in, by the way.) Their plan was to send it to the board after the next time it happened. In other words, same as last time. I could expect it to happen again.

 

That's when I upped the pressure by sending a letter to maangement demanding that the board address the issue right away. I also contacted the health department and gave them the number of the management office so they could get a phone number for my neighbor. I also contacted one of the board members directly (the one who came by after I posted on the message board.)

 

THAT is when things got handled. After I pushed and pushed the management company, got the health department involved and dealt directly w/a board member.

 

Trust me, there was nothing "passive" about my response to this situation. My plan was to be as aggressive as possible so as to nip this problem in the bud before the nice weather comes and the Mrs. and I begin to use the deck and patio more frequently.

 

This is where I'm kind of

That's always a good thing to document to others, implied threats.

I was expressing my frustration at the situation...trying to motivate management to take action, rather than place another ineffective call to my neighbor.

 

There was no explicit threat made.

[Snoopy1 0]

 

 

There was no explicit threat made.

 

 

That's why I called it an "implied" threat.

[davebg 0]

That's why I called it an "implied" threat.

The looks I give her in the elevator are much greater "implied" threats than anything I could write.

[jerryskids 7,195]

I've got a new idea!@# Kidnap the dog, then call the next day and tell her if she wants it, she needs to come out to Camden to get it, and that you know where she lives and shouldn't call the police. When she comes, beat the crap out of her and sell the dog on the black market.

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

Or!@!@ you could be like that one kid and cut the dog's head off and put it in a box on her doorstep...

[DuckStupid 40]

Seriously, get her some doggie diapers.

[Giants Fan 85]

I had a super one time that was a total freakin' psycho when I lived in NYC. There were 2 buildings next to each other, and he had some disputes with some of the neighbors in my building (including banging on a neighbors door at 6 AM with a hammer for throwing away a bag of dirt. I guess his GF tried to lift it and hurt her back) and wouldn't clean our building. So, I formed a tenants association, and we went to war with that focker. We also cleaned up the disgusting back yard and actually made it a nice place to hang out. This focker started throwing his trash out his window. All kinds, chicken carcasses, empty grocery packaging, he even threw out some whole pork chops, still wrapped in plastic, which started to stink to high heaven. When I confronted him about it, he was all "I don't eat pork." and I said, "I didn't say anyone had eaten them." Stupid fock eventually threw out a pizza box with his name and APT # on it ... and he STILL DENIED IT. By the time it was all said and done, he got fired and evicted, and the landlord paid me a hefty chunk of change to settle our lawsuit.

 

But I totally agree. You have every right to be pissed off, but handle it the right way. Posting fliers all over the place will not help your position.

[jets24 6]

I just want to say that there is excellent use of color, white space, and font size in this thread.

 

Made me laugh out loud. Well done sir.

 

I've got a new idea!@# Kidnap the dog, then call the next day and tell her if she wants it, she needs to come out to Camden to get it, and that you know where she lives and shouldn't call the police. When she comes, beat the crap out of her and sell the dog on the black market.

 

 

Phillybear?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thread rooooned.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 42]

I've said this before in this thread. A dog turd is not going to be blown off a deck by the wind. Nor is the dog hanging his ass off the deck so he can watch his dukie in free fall. This biocth is chucking dogsh!t in your yard. Quit dancing around it and approach it from reality. And, wait until the weather turns and she starts pouring buckets of water on her deck to clean it and the sewage flows down on top your deck furniture. She will say "I was just watering my plants." Yeah, right.

[jerryskids 7,195]

Phillybear?

It was a reference to MDC's thread about his frined and a hooker. I'm too lazy to look it up; look for a thread he started.

[MahSoonerz 0]

You know what you need? A pet monkey.

[Franknbeans 46]

I am so glad I don't live in Jersey!

[jets24 6]

I am so glad I don't live in Jersey!

 

 

So are we my friend, so are we.

[DJ McNasty 0]

Davebg....I'm with you...I live on the 18th of a condo and if that happened to me, it would be on....I congratulate you on your restraint so far. Make sure you get her old azz kicked out.

[Big_Pete 0]

I too am with davebg.

I have a house in the suburbs of Denver, really upscale, I'm naturally the poorest person on the block (but I have no pets, and always keep the place maintained, it just means I have no "me" money).

All I know, is that I think you are doing great with it, and you are showing more than enough patience with this old hag.

While the worst that can happen to my place is to have dog crap on my lawn, which has happened, and believe you me, I was PISSSED OFF , I couldn't even imagine having it drop on my patio, let alone, anywhere near where I'd be eating and having a social gathering.

And judging at how badly dog crap on the corner of my lawn (the community PO Boxes are on the corner of my and my neighbors lawn) pisssed me off, I can only imagine what you are feeling inside.

Anyways, I hope it stops, and moreso, I hope that if it happens again, she get's her arse fined and evicted!

It doesn't matter if you live in a slum, or in an upscale place, there is no place for that kind of filth.

[jerryskids 7,195]

I too am with davebg.

I have a house in the suburbs of Denver, really upscale, I'm naturally the poorest person on the block (but I have no pets, and always keep the place maintained, it just means I have no "me" money).

All I know, is that I think you are doing great with it, and you are showing more than enough patience with this old hag.

While the worst that can happen to my place is to have dog crap on my lawn, which has happened, and believe you me, I was PISSSED OFF , I couldn't even imagine having it drop on my patio, let alone, anywhere near where I'd be eating and having a social gathering.

And judging at how badly dog crap on the corner of my lawn (the community PO Boxes are on the corner of my and my neighbors lawn) pisssed me off, I can only imagine what you are feeling inside.

Anyways, I hope it stops, and moreso, I hope that if it happens again, she get's her arse fined and evicted!

It doesn't matter if you live in a slum, or in an upscale place, there is no place for that kind of filth.

Nobody disagrees with davebg being upset. Instead, we disagree with his approach to solving the problem. HTH.

[Big_Pete 0]

Nobody disagrees with davebg being upset. Instead, we disagree with his approach to solving the problem. HTH.

so far, he's handled it great. He's just saying what his ideas are and what he wants to do. What he's actually done has been great!

[jerryskids 7,195]

so far, he's handled it great. He's just saying what his ideas are and what he wants to do. What he's actually done has been great!

I disagree. The posting on the community message bored was stupid. Also he has objectively been totally ineffective in his communications with the old lady.

[davebg 0]

Also he has objectively been totally ineffective in his communications with the old lady.

Jerry, how exactly would you have handled it differently?

 

How do you effectively communicate w/a person who denies that the problem exists and refuses to come see the physical evidence that proves otherwise?

 

How do you effectively communicate w/a person who thinks that the people who live below her should put up w/such dirty, disgusting behavior in order to accomodate an animal?

 

I was not the only one who spoke to her and got nowhere. The management spoke to her a couple of times w/no better results than I got. I was there the second time they called her and when the guy in the management office hung up the phone all he could do was shake his head in disbelief. It took numerous calls from management, a direct threat of fines from the board and a call from the health inspector to get her to comply w/the rules of the development.

 

This lady is one of those "animal people" who love their animals soooooo much that they just can't fathom how a stranger couldn't feel the same way about their animal and be willing to put up w/the mess b/c they feel bad for its situation...a situation that their caring owner put them in. Nobody forced this woman to buy a fifth floor condo when she has a dog w/such special needs. That move, in and of itself, pretty much shows me that she could have given a rat's ass about how her animal would impact her neighbors. IMO I have shown her more respect that she has shown me and, therefore, deserves.

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

How do you effectively communicate w/a person who denies that the problem exists and refuses to come see the physical evidence that proves otherwise?

 

You take pictures. You write letters to both her and the HOA, or wahtever association. You keep documented records of when you talked to her and the HOA, etc. You contact the Health Department, as what's happening could be considered a health hazard.

 

How do you effectively communicate w/a person who thinks that the people who live below her should put up w/such dirty, disgusting behavior in order to accomodate an animal?

Again, you let her know that you are going to be reporting the matter to the HOA and the applicable authorities. You basically STOP talking to her directly, and simply copy her on any and all correspondence you have with the HOA and the authorities.

 

I was not the only one who spoke to her and got nowhere. The management spoke to her a couple of times w/no better results than I got. I was there the second time they called her and when the guy in the management office hung up the phone all he could do was shake his head in disbelief. It took numerous calls from management, a direct threat of fines from the board and a call from the health inspector to get her to comply w/the rules of the development.

If management isn't getting anywhere either, you need to contact someone ABOVE them. Let them know that you are contacting the Health Department, there HAS to be someone else to contact besides the management. If neccessary, go to the meetings. Surely they have an open forum that you can bring up any issues you see fit.

 

This lady is one of those "animal people" who love their animals soooooo much that they just can't fathom how a stranger couldn't feel the same way about their animal and be willing to put up w/the mess b/c they feel bad for its situation...a situation that their caring owner put them in. Nobody forced this woman to buy a fifth floor condo when she has a dog w/such special needs. That move, in and of itself, pretty much shows me that she could have given a rat's ass about how her animal would impact her neighbors. IMO I have shown her more respect that she has shown me and, therefore, deserves.

 

Regardless, YOU and your wife will get more out of this if you act like the bigger person. The tantrums, the "I am not threatening you" threats need to STOP, as they are going to get you into more trouble...i.e. restraining orders, visits from policemen, etc. AND...I PROMISE that she will make YOU out to be much worse; the punk-azz downstairs neighbor threatening an older, single woman and her dog. Even if she doesn't do this on purpose, it will come across that way.

 

It also seems to me that you want to FORCE her to move. Perhaps she's trying to FORCE YOU to move, maybe you're a sh!tty neighbor and pooping on your patio is just what she thinks will help you move out all the quicker? Perhaps the fighting with your wife is just a lil too loud for her? Now, how would YOU feel if that was the case? I bet I can guess, "Fock that biotch. I ain't moving anywhere. If anyone should move, it should be HER and her POS dog." Right? Wrong. If the HOA allows pets, then she has the right to keep him there. If the dog is as sick as she and you both claim, call the ASPCA to come out and evaluate the dog's living conditions.

 

You are the type of person that just wants to be RIGHT. God forbid you actually admit that you've handled this situation poorly from the get-go, and this old lady is getting just what she deserves, simply because she didn't introduce herself or shake your hand when you offered it. Gimme a break, Dave.

 

There are many other steps and avenues that you can and should be taking in this situation, you are being totally and completely passive agressive, and acting childish, which like many have said will get you no where.

[supermike80 2,148]

AND...I PROMISE that she will make YOU out to be much worse; the punk-azz downstairs neighbor threatening an older, single woman and her dog. Even if she doesn't do this on purpose, it will come across that way.

 

 

This has already happened in this thread. Many here have no sympathy for the guy and feels he is acting like an azzhole.

I can certainly agree this would possibly be perceived that way by his neighbors.

 

If it was anyone but MR RIGHT DaveBG there might be less grief, but after he opened that huge hole to his personality with the weird way he handled his wife, this is deserved.

[bob_probert_2000 1]

I think you'd be more concerned about the chronic pot smokers in your neighborhood. Oh wait, they're your friends.

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

And since I nag a lot...

 

I have also realized, Dave, that you appear to have MUCH anger. Whatever outlet just happens to fall into your lap, you seem to get very ANGRY. I can totally see how this situation would make you upset, don't get me wrong. But I think that you get extremely carried away, and you TRY to sound as if you're doing the right thing, but you're just too MAD and ANGRY to see it through another's eyes. IT's happened here MANY times. You just want to be RIGHT. Back to the post about seeing some chick on your business trip, you just wanted to be RIGHT that what you did wasn't wrong and that you still had "it." You just wanted to be RIGHT while in counseling with your wife, regardless of trying to see her POV. If you aren't right, then you get MAD.

 

Only YOU have control over how YOU feel. The old lady isn't MAKING you feel MAD, YOU are making you feel mad. YO have control over your feelings, you have control over your reactions. It's not like this lady has a gun to your head and is forcing you to post messages and write half-assed letters, and make "I am not threatening you" threats to her. There ARE mature ways to handle situations like this, and it's up to YOU how to do it.

 

 

How does one communicate effectively with this lady?

 

YOU DON'T. And that's obivious. Now, you can either accept the fact that you can't communicate effectively with her, because you've tried. You can continue to beat yourself up, talk until you are blue int he face, but she has shown that it's not going to work.

If your management also isn't taking the approprioate steps, along with doing what I mentioned above, perhaps you should start looking into the integrity of this management, and see if it's truly the place that you and your wife want to live and raise a family.

[Big_Pete 0]

You take pictures. You write letters to both her and the HOA, or wahtever association. You keep documented records of when you talked to her and the HOA, etc. You contact the Health Department, as what's happening could be considered a health hazard.

 

Again, you let her know that you are going to be reporting the matter to the HOA and the applicable authorities. You basically STOP talking to her directly, and simply copy her on any and all correspondence you have with the HOA and the authorities.

If management isn't getting anywhere either, you need to contact someone ABOVE them. Let them know that you are contacting the Health Department, there HAS to be someone else to contact besides the management. If neccessary, go to the meetings. Surely they have an open forum that you can bring up any issues you see fit.

Regardless, YOU and your wife will get more out of this if you act like the bigger person. The tantrums, the "I am not threatening you" threats need to STOP, as they are going to get you into more trouble...i.e. restraining orders, visits from policemen, etc. AND...I PROMISE that she will make YOU out to be much worse; the punk-azz downstairs neighbor threatening an older, single woman and her dog. Even if she doesn't do this on purpose, it will come across that way.

 

It also seems to me that you want to FORCE her to move. Perhaps she's trying to FORCE YOU to move, maybe you're a sh!tty neighbor and pooping on your patio is just what she thinks will help you move out all the quicker? Perhaps the fighting with your wife is just a lil too loud for her? Now, how would YOU feel if that was the case? I bet I can guess, "Fock that biotch. I ain't moving anywhere. If anyone should move, it should be HER and her POS dog." Right? Wrong. If the HOA allows pets, then she has the right to keep him there. If the dog is as sick as she and you both claim, call the ASPCA to come out and evaluate the dog's living conditions.

 

You are the type of person that just wants to be RIGHT. God forbid you actually admit that you've handled this situation poorly from the get-go, and this old lady is getting just what she deserves, simply because she didn't introduce herself or shake your hand when you offered it. Gimme a break, Dave.

 

There are many other steps and avenues that you can and should be taking in this situation, you are being totally and completely passive agressive, and acting childish, which like many have said will get you no where.

have you even read this thread?

he DID contact the management office, he DID contact the health department, he DID bring it to the board of directors.

He wrote 1 message board thread (in the community message board), and that was immediatly after his initial talk with her went nowhere. After that, he's only delt with the management office, not with her. He didn't make another topic on the board, in fact, he just responded to what she wrote, nothing wrong with that.

He didn't make the flyers he wanted to make. He wanted to make them, but he didn't.

So let's put this in a timeline for you and JK, cause for whatever reason, the two of you are completely ignoring what davebg has actually said/done....

Here is the Timeline....

1st Dog Poo... (He ignored it, cause it might be just a 1 time occurance)

2nd Dog Poo... (He went to the lady's house, and tried to be civil, but she denied it was her dog or her problem, so he got upset *which seriously, who wouldn't* and wen't to the message board, made a post, and then went to the management office)

Management Office deleted the topic and gave reasons for deleting it

Old Lady made post kinda slamming davebg

Davebg responded to her slamming him thread

3rd dog poo.... (He wen't to management office and stayed there while they called her, and heard her deny it to the management office)

Called Health Board

Contacted Management office again saying he contacted the health board

Problem SHOULD be resolved.

 

There ya go guys. THis is a factual account of what happened. All his venting has gone on here, not towards the old filthy lady.

 

 

And since I nag a lot...

 

I have also realized, Dave, that you appear to have MUCH anger. Whatever outlet just happens to fall into your lap, you seem to get very ANGRY. I can totally see how this situation would make you upset, don't get me wrong. But I think that you get extremely carried away, and you TRY to sound as if you're doing the right thing, but you're just too MAD and ANGRY to see it through another's eyes. IT's happened here MANY times. You just want to be RIGHT. Back to the post about seeing some chick on your business trip, you just wanted to be RIGHT that what you did wasn't wrong and that you still had "it." You just wanted to be RIGHT while in counseling with your wife, regardless of trying to see her POV. If you aren't right, then you get MAD.

 

Only YOU have control over how YOU feel. The old lady isn't MAKING you feel MAD, YOU are making you feel mad. YO have control over your feelings, you have control over your reactions. It's not like this lady has a gun to your head and is forcing you to post messages and write half-assed letters, and make "I am not threatening you" threats to her. There ARE mature ways to handle situations like this, and it's up to YOU how to do it.

 

 

YOU DON'T. And that's obivious. Now, you can either accept the fact that you can't communicate effectively with her, because you've tried. You can continue to beat yourself up, talk until you are blue int he face, but she has shown that it's not going to work.

If your management also isn't taking the approprioate steps, along with doing what I mentioned above, perhaps you should start looking into the integrity of this management, and see if it's truly the place that you and your wife want to live and raise a family.

Read what I just wrote.

And yeah, we know davebg has his temper etc.... but seriously, if sh1t was raining from the sky onto my back yard/patio/potential guests, I'd be focking LIVID and have that chick fined an booted out of there so fast that there would be a doorknob permanently imprinted on her ass.

 

Try not having "selective reading" before you chastise him for being upset that a lady is letting her dog crap on his patio

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

have you even read this thread?

he DID contact the management office, he DID contact the health department, he DID bring it to the board of directors.

He wrote 1 message board thread (in the community message board), and that was immediatly after his initial talk with her went nowhere. After that, he's only delt with the management office, not with her. He didn't make another topic on the board, in fact, he just responded to what she wrote, nothing wrong with that.

He didn't make the flyers he wanted to make. He wanted to make them, but he didn't.

So let's put this in a timeline for you and JK, cause for whatever reason, the two of you are completely ignoring what davebg has actually said/done....

Here is the Timeline....

1st Dog Poo... (He ignored it, cause it might be just a 1 time occurance)

2nd Dog Poo... (He went to the lady's house, and tried to be civil, but she denied it was her dog or her problem, so he got upset *which seriously, who wouldn't* and wen't to the message board, made a post, and then went to the management office)

Management Office deleted the topic and gave reasons for deleting it

Old Lady made post kinda slamming davebg

Davebg responded to her slamming him thread

3rd dog poo.... (He wen't to management office and stayed there while they called her, and heard her deny it to the management office)

Called Health Board

Contacted Management office again saying he contacted the health board

Problem SHOULD be resolved.

 

There ya go guys. THis is a factual account of what happened. All his venting has gone on here, not towards the old filthy lady.

Read what I just wrote.

And yeah, we know davebg has his temper etc.... but seriously, if sh1t was raining from the sky onto my back yard/patio/potential guests, I'd be focking LIVID and have that chick fined an booted out of there so fast that there would be a doorknob permanently imprinted on her ass.

 

Try not having "selective reading" before you chastise him for being upset that a lady is letting her dog crap on his patio

 

 

 

I don't have selective reading.

 

I agree with the many others who've said that he's handled this situation poorly.

 

His reaction from the BEGINNING set the course for this...and perhaps people aren't listening to him because from DAY ONE he's shown to be just a big cry baby about the whole focking thing.

[Toro 3]

I think you guys are being too judgemental on davebg.

 

He shouldn't have had to do anything after he talked to the lady the first time about it. This is common decency and the old lady is not showing any consideration to her neighbors. So now davebg has had to go out of his way and make appointments and meetings to control a woman that is sweeping dog turds onto HIS porch.

 

And what is going to happen to her? Nothing. She will get warned to stop, she will comply and that will be it. But meanwhile dave has spent countless hours having to deal with a situation that isn't his fault.

 

If a neighbor of mine made me jump through hoops like this over something as common sense and decent as not throwing dog crap on your neighbors patio, I would be looking for some payback.

[davebg 0]

have you even read this thread?

he DID contact the management office, he DID contact the health department, he DID bring it to the board of directors.

He wrote 1 message board thread (in the community message board), and that was immediatly after his initial talk with her went nowhere. After that, he's only delt with the management office, not with her. He didn't make another topic on the board, in fact, he just responded to what she wrote, nothing wrong with that.

He didn't make the flyers he wanted to make. He wanted to make them, but he didn't.

So let's put this in a timeline for you and JK, cause for whatever reason, the two of you are completely ignoring what davebg has actually said/done....

Here is the Timeline....

1st Dog Poo... (He ignored it, cause it might be just a 1 time occurance)

2nd Dog Poo... (He went to the lady's house, and tried to be civil, but she denied it was her dog or her problem, so he got upset *which seriously, who wouldn't* and wen't to the message board, made a post, and then went to the management office)

Management Office deleted the topic and gave reasons for deleting it

Old Lady made post kinda slamming davebg

Davebg responded to her slamming him thread

3rd dog poo.... (He wen't to management office and stayed there while they called her, and heard her deny it to the management office)

Called Health Board

Contacted Management office again saying he contacted the health board

Problem SHOULD be resolved.

 

There ya go guys. THis is a factual account of what happened. All his venting has gone on here, not towards the old filthy lady.

Read what I just wrote.

And yeah, we know davebg has his temper etc.... but seriously, if sh1t was raining from the sky onto my back yard/patio/potential guests, I'd be focking LIVID and have that chick fined an booted out of there so fast that there would be a doorknob permanently imprinted on her ass.

 

Try not having "selective reading" before you chastise him for being upset that a lady is letting her dog crap on his patio

Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Big_Pete 0]

 

I don't have selective reading.

 

I agree with the many others who've said that he's handled this situation poorly.

 

His reaction from the BEGINNING set the course for this...and perhaps people aren't listening to him because from DAY ONE he's shown to be just a big cry baby about the whole focking thing.

it's been asked here to you before, but I'll ask it anyways....

how has he handled this situation poorly?

Ohh, and do us all a favor and refer to the timeline while answering this question.

If by poorly you mean "he posted 1 topic on a message board", then wow, you live a very, very "poor" life

[davebg 0]

 

I don't have selective reading.

 

I agree with the many others who've said that he's handled this situation poorly.

 

His reaction from the BEGINNING set the course for this...and perhaps people aren't listening to him because from DAY ONE he's shown to be just a big cry baby about the whole focking thing.

Again, my reaction from the BEGINNING was this:

 

1st time --> Let it slide

2nd time --> Tried speaking to her, got nowhere. Lodged complaint on community message board, which is exactly what our site says it is for. Lodged a complaint w/management.

3rd time --> Lodged complaint w/management w/stipulation that it goes to the board right away. Responded to her post on the message board. Lodged complaint w/the health dept.

 

You're correct about one thing. I am convinced that I am RIGHT. I am right to be HELLA-PISSED about her behavior and I am right to have handled it the way I did.

[Strike 6,032]

I think you guys are being too judgemental on davebg.

 

He shouldn't have had to do anything after he talked to the lady the first time about it. This is common decency and the old lady is not showing any consideration to her neighbors. So now davebg has had to go out of his way and make appointments and meetings to control a woman that is sweeping dog turds onto HIS porch.

 

And what is going to happen to her? Nothing. She will get warned to stop, she will comply and that will be it. But meanwhile dave has spent countless hours having to deal with a situation that isn't his fault.

 

If a neighbor of mine made me jump through hoops like this over something as common sense and decent as not throwing dog crap on your neighbors patio, I would be looking for some payback.

 

The amount of time Dave has put in to this, which I think you inflate, was his choice. All he had to do was:

 

1) Go try to talk to lady. 10 minutes.

2) If it happens again draft a letter to the HOA advising them of situation and that he tried to talk to her about it. another 10 minutes.

3) If it happens again call the health dept. and put the HOA on notice that it better do something. Another 10 minutes, maybe a little longer if he's put on hold with the health dept.

 

That would probably have been the end of it. Choosing to make fliers up that never got posted, posting on message boards, etc, all Dave's own choice looking for payback. And I'm sure you'd waste just as much time on the situation.

[jerryskids 7,195]

have you even read this thread?

he DID contact the management office, he DID contact the health department, he DID bring it to the board of directors.

He wrote 1 message board thread (in the community message board), and that was immediatly after his initial talk with her went nowhere. After that, he's only delt with the management office, not with her. He didn't make another topic on the board, in fact, he just responded to what she wrote, nothing wrong with that.

He didn't make the flyers he wanted to make. He wanted to make them, but he didn't.

So let's put this in a timeline for you and JK, cause for whatever reason, the two of you are completely ignoring what davebg has actually said/done....

Here is the Timeline....

1st Dog Poo... (He ignored it, cause it might be just a 1 time occurance)

2nd Dog Poo... (He went to the lady's house, and tried to be civil, but she denied it was her dog or her problem, so he got upset *which seriously, who wouldn't* and wen't to the message board, made a post, and then went to the management office)

Management Office deleted the topic and gave reasons for deleting it

Old Lady made post kinda slamming davebg

Davebg responded to her slamming him thread

3rd dog poo.... (He wen't to management office and stayed there while they called her, and heard her deny it to the management office)

Called Health Board

Contacted Management office again saying he contacted the health board

Problem SHOULD be resolved.

 

There ya go guys. THis is a factual account of what happened. All his venting has gone on here, not towards the old filthy lady.

Read what I just wrote.

And yeah, we know davebg has his temper etc.... but seriously, if sh1t was raining from the sky onto my back yard/patio/potential guests, I'd be focking LIVID and have that chick fined an booted out of there so fast that there would be a doorknob permanently imprinted on her ass.

 

Try not having "selective reading" before you chastise him for being upset that a lady is letting her dog crap on his patio

Once again Pete, I am not suggesting he should not be upset about it. My statement that he has not handled it well was mostly objective -- he has not resolved the situation after all of this time, so objectively, he has not handled it well. There was a bit of subjectivity in my comment though, as I suspect that Dave has handled it in his usual angry, win/lose way. He has given plenty of supporting evidence of that in this thread.

 

As TNG indicated, while we may not be able to control our emotions, we CAN control our behaviors and our responses to those emotions. I've explained that several times to my children.

[kpbuckeye 3]

I think you guys are being too judgemental on davebg.

 

He shouldn't have had to do anything after he talked to the lady the first time about it. This is common decency and the old lady is not showing any consideration to her neighbors. So now davebg has had to go out of his way and make appointments and meetings to control a woman that is sweeping dog turds onto HIS porch.

 

And what is going to happen to her? Nothing. She will get warned to stop, she will comply and that will be it. But meanwhile dave has spent countless hours having to deal with a situation that isn't his fault.

 

If a neighbor of mine made me jump through hoops like this over something as common sense and decent as not throwing dog crap on your neighbors patio, I would be looking for some payback.

 

 

this mostly all about davebg and his history here, they story is a side note bc we would all be pizzed about it.

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

Once again Pete, I am not suggesting he should not be upset about it. My statement that he has not handled it well was mostly objective -- he has not resolved the situation after all of this time, so objectively, he has not handled it well. There was a bit of subjectivity in my comment though, as I suspect that Dave has handled it in his usual angry, win/lose way. He has given plenty of supporting evidence of that in this thread.

 

As TNG indicated, while we may not be able to control our emotions, we CAN control our behaviors and our responses to those emotions. I've explained that several times to my children.

 

And that's exactly what I am saying as well.

 

I have never said that he shouldn't be upset about it either. And I do agree, that if Dave has handled it in his usual angry way, then it has NOT been handled correctly.

 

As for being judegemental of Dave, perhaps. However, past threads and situations have shown from his POV that he does get VERY angry and upset, and says many things off the cuff. Which, again, is fine...however, YOU have the choice to act rational and calm, or you can explode at the drop of a hat, which is what I assume Dave does...just judging on what he posts.

 

Just as many on here judge that I must nag my husband incessantly at home, I can judge just as well that Dave blows up when his wife purchases the wrong sausage for dinner.

 

 

 

 

this mostly all about davebg and his history here, they story is a side note bc we would all be pizzed about it.

 

 

Of course we would all be pizzed about it.

 

However, MOST of us would have reacted MUCH differently, I assure you.

[davebg 0]

Once again Pete, I am not suggesting he should not be upset about it. My statement that he has not handled it well was mostly objective -- he has not resolved the situation after all of this time, so objectively, he has not handled it well. There was a bit of subjectivity in my comment though, as I suspect that Dave has handled it in his usual angry, win/lose way. He has given plenty of supporting evidence of that in this thread.

 

As TNG indicated, while we may not be able to control our emotions, we CAN control our behaviors and our responses to those emotions. I've explained that several times to my children.

OK, so exactly what steps did I take that you wouldn't have? Of all of the steps that I have taken, which one do you think was not "handled well"? Me going to her first to try to resolve the issue? Me lodging a complaint via the message board, when the site home page explicitly states that is one of the reasons for the message board? Me lodging multiple complaints to the management? Me personally contacting members of the board? Me contacting the health dept?

 

Also, as I noted on a previous page, this HAS hopefully been resolved as the board has notified her that she has to either walk the dog on the ground floor like everyone else or let it do its business INSIDE her unit. Violation of these terms will result in immediate fines. Furthermore, the health inspector contacted her, notiying her that a complaint was made and future complaints could result in additional fines from the town and...oh yeah...she never registered her dog w/the town, as per the law.

[Toro 3]

The amount of time Dave has put in to this, which I think you inflate, was his choice. All he had to do was:

 

1) Go try to talk to lady. 10 minutes.

2) If it happens again draft a letter to the HOA advising them of situation and that he tried to talk to her about it. another 10 minutes.

3) If it happens again call the health dept. and put the HOA on notice that it better do something. Another 10 minutes, maybe a little longer if he's put on hold with the health dept.

 

That would probably have been the end of it. Choosing to make fliers up that never got posted, posting on message boards, etc, all Dave's own choice looking for payback.

 

I am not sure how I would react. I can tell you this, I was in a situation where we lived in an apartment and the lady above us woke us up EVERY morning with her large dog running all over the apartment and barking. I asked her once nicely, then again very nicely, and a third time I then told her that I would be reporting her to the apartment management if she woke us up again. At that point, she looked at me square in the face and said "Well, tough because that's what time I get up. If you don't like it, move."

 

So after that, I started reporting her to the office every time. After three notices and theats to kick the lady out, she finally got rid of the dog.

 

Dave - How much time have you spent on phone calls and meetings with the management and the lady?

 

And I'm sure you'd waste just as much time on the situation.

 

I have some time to kill. You don't have that luxury because you are too busy eating all the time, you fat fock.

[davebg 0]

Dave - How much time have you spent on phone calls and meetings with the management and the lady?

Estimates:

 

1st poop: 4 min of WTF time + 1 min of cleanup = Total 5 min

 

2nd poop: 4 min of WTF time + 1 min of cleanup +30 min going from door-to door of neighbors above me and getting roped into long conversation w/old guy on 6th fl whom I had never met and my inital conversation w/Mrs. Dog Poop + 10 min to put together my post on the message board + 10 min on phone w/management + 20 min when a board member came by and woke me and Mrs. DaveBG up that Sat morning = Total 1 hr 15 min

 

3rd poop: 9 min of WTF time + 1 min of cleanup + 5 min to reply to Mrs. Dog Poop's post on message board + 20 min to visit management in person & listen in while they called Mrs. Dog Poop + 10 min to call management back and make sure the matter went to the board immediately + 20 min on phone w/health dept + 10 min on phone w/board member = Total 1 hr 15 min

[fricker66 93]

1 word solves all of your problems:

 

Glassburger.

[mighty_thor 115]

First of all, i must agree with davebg's handling of the situation. Its obvious the woman never really thought it was a big problem. She tried to reason away why it was happening and never said she would take care of the problem. I would have reacted the same way, except maybe without as much sarcasm in my letters.

 

The quote from the lady's first response on the message board was kind of puzzling:

 

I let her out on my patio in between walks and at night. This is a safety issue, not laziness. I also apologized over and over again, since I was unaware that droppings had blown off the patio before I could clean it.

 

what safety issue is she talking about? She needs to let him poop in her apartment if she can't take him out. The only other solution is to build a water tight barrier wall around her balcony edge so nothing falls off. The woman is aboviously clueless so now you gotta hit her in the pocketbook to knock some sense into her. I don't see how this could have been handled much better. The less you complain about it the slower this will take to be resolved. It was wise to tell the whole condo association about the problem.