Matt Schaub traded to the Houston Texans

[FantasyBowl33 0]

 

The Falcons traded the wrong QB

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I'm guessing that Atlanta is getting some ammo to try and move up to #2 for CJ

 

I hope they have a backup plan then. What if Johnson is a Raider? Joe Thomas? Peterson?

[Gepetto 1,370]

I hope they have a backup plan then. What if Johnson is a Raider? Joe Thomas? Peterson?

 

They can wait until Draft Day after the first pick is taken, and then they'll know if CJ is there at #2.

[grif 0]

I hope they have a backup plan then. What if Johnson is a Raider? Joe Thomas? Peterson?

 

I should have just said making a serious run at Calvin Johnson. Whether it's a deal with Oakland or Detroit, they are getting the necessary picks to move up if they want to.

[Captian America 0]

 

The Falcons traded the wrong QB

 

They could only get a 5th rounder for Vick.

[adam smitty 0]

 

The Falcons traded the wrong QB

That's probably true.

[Groundhog 24]

Value of Houston's 1.08 in the 2007 draft: 1,400 points

Value of Atlanta's 1.10 in the 2007 draft: 1,300 points

Value of Houston's 2nd rounder in 2007 draft (2.07): 510 points

Value of Houston's 2nd rounder in 2008 draft...trickier...most discussion I've read about trades involving future year picks is that you give it a 1-round discount for each year in the future. In other words, a 2nd rounder in '08 is more or less equivalent to a 3nd-rounder in '07. However we don't know whether that '08 pick is early in the round, or later in the round. Assume it's right in the middle at pick #16. On that basis, the value of 3.16 in this year's draft is worth 190 points.

 

In other words, to get Schaub, Houston gives up 2,100 points of draft value (1,400 + 510 + 190 = 2,100) and gets back Schaub plus 1,300 points. If this were a fair deal, that would imply Schaub is worth 800 points, which is equivalent to the 21st pick overall.

 

So, is Schaub worth 1.21? Not to my mind, he isn't.

Maybe he'll turn out to be a solid QB, but Atlanta got great value for him and gives them lots of ammo for more moves on draft day.

[ROCKET 0]

Schaub for the 21st pick seems very reasonable to me after seeing the Seahawks give the #24 pick for Branch. I like Schaub a lot but the Texans offensive live sux. A qb can only be as effective as the supporting cast around him. If Schaub struggles I can already hear the " I told you so" 's. It's too bad he didn't end up in a better situation but most of those already have established qb's. If Houston doesn't upgrade their line he has no shot. And I'm not sold on Ahman Green as a featured back either.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

To judge this trade at this point is complete lunacy. Atlanta traded a loser QB once before for a 1st round pick and everyone said they fleeced GB in that trade. That player was Brett Favre. It's now considered one of the worst trades of all time.

 

Shaub has potential. Given the right system, coach, players around him, he could become the next big QB. Given the wrong system, coach, players around him, he could become the next big never was.

 

Can we stop judging things long before they are judgable? Judging it at this point is no better than the media trying to break a big story 1st. Often times wrong and out of context.

[Jokers 0]

This reminds me of the Raiders last year replacing Collins with Brooks. Same player with a different name.

[IN$TANT REPAY 11]

This reminds me of the Raiders last year replacing Collins with Brooks. Same player with a different name.

 

 

brotha from anotha motha....

[Groundhog 24]

To judge this trade at this point is complete lunacy. Atlanta traded a loser QB once before for a 1st round pick and everyone said they fleeced GB in that trade. That player was Brett Favre. It's now considered one of the worst trades of all time.

 

Shaub has potential. Given the right system, coach, players around him, he could become the next big QB. Given the wrong system, coach, players around him, he could become the next big never was.

 

Can we stop judging things long before they are judgable? Judging it at this point is no better than the media trying to break a big story 1st. Often times wrong and out of context.

 

Until he was traded, Favre had played in a total of 2 games with the Falcons, and a total of 4 pass attempts. All he was at that point was a completely unproven and unknown backup. So how exactly does one categorize him, at that point in time, as a "loser QB"?

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

I've been saying this when the season ended Atlanta were going to trade Schaub.

Essentially what Atlanta did was create a "BUZZ" for Schuab over the past year. This is a GREAT move.

You get 2 2nd rounders and move up on the draft board for the 1st pick.

 

I feel bad for Houston. The LAST thing this organization needed was a QB. There is nothing that CARR can't do that Schaub can. First it was Bush, now Schaub. Who is running the show over there?

 

 

The Falcons traded the wrong QB

 

You're fock'n nuts. Some of you guys simply don't have a clue.

[Melissa Stark 1]

Skinny_Bastard Posted Today, 09:36 PM

I've been saying this when the season ended Atlanta were going to trade Schaub.

Essentially what Atlanta did was create a "BUZZ" for Schuab over the past year. This is a GREAT move.

You get 2 2nd rounders and move up on the draft board for the 1st pick.

 

I feel bad for Houston. The LAST thing this organization needed was a QB. There is nothing that CARR can't do that Schaub can. First it was Bush, now Schaub. Who is running the show over there?

 

 

QUOTE(FantasyBowl33 @ Mar 21 2007, 07:29 PM) 3053452[/snapback]

 

 

 

The Falcons traded the wrong QB

 

 

 

You're fock'n nuts. Some of you guys simply don't have a clue.

 

When Vick actually leads his team deep into the playoffs, then I might agree with you.

 

I see Vick = Kordell

[Parja 0]

Fixed it for you.

 

SKOL

 

Good fix!

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

When Vick actually leads his team deep into the playoffs, then I might agree with you.

 

I see Vick = Kordell

 

Yea...let me know when Schuab actually wins a game.

[Gepetto 1,370]

When Vick actually leads his team deep into the playoffs, then I might agree with you.

 

He already has...look it up.

[Super Cubs 154]

I feel bad for Houston. The LAST thing this organization needed was a QB. There is nothing that CARR can't do that Schaub can.

You maybe right but it was time for a change. The Houston fans and some of the Houston players felt that its time for Carr to step down. It maybe one of the worst trades in NFL history but we'll have to wait and see.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Wow. Atlanta took Houston to the cleaners. Great trade for Atlanta and now they may try to package to move up to #2 or even #1 to get Charles Johnson as Swamp Dog mentioned.

 

 

And Mack's got it right - what has Schaub done to merit not one, but TWO 2nd round picks?

 

Really????

Explaing this then.

 

Same game: Carr zero TD's, 5 sacks, Sage R. 3 TD,s ZERO sacks.

 

I already know. IT was carr, not the o-line. There will be no pain. Carr can't read a D among other faults.

 

Ummm, you forgot to mention that those three TDs were scored during garbage time AFTER Tennessee took a 21-3 lead and took their foot off the gas pedal.

[swamp dog 0]

 

And Mack's got it right - what has Schaub done to merit not one, but TWO 2nd round picks?

Ummm, you forgot to mention that those three TDs were scored during garbage time AFTER Tennessee took a 21-3 lead and took their foot off the gas pedal.

 

houston paid a heavy price here. i bet the bears wish they could re-do the jones trade now

[Riddlen 1]

houston paid a heavy price here. i bet the bears wish they could re-do the jones trade now

he is a QB The lions got a 4th for harrington and he is TERRIBLE

[Ignition Technition 0]

Now watch Al Davis show what he also knows what it takes to lose, and will not be outdone by the Texans by passing up JR for a 5 year bust who throws more ints than tds and is a fumble machine.

[LOD01 198]

 

The Falcons traded the wrong QB

 

 

 

Andre Johnson owner!!!!!!

 

[Boston 0]

Smart move by Atlanta. Schaub was gone after this year. So instead of letting him walk they dealt him for a nice haul of assets. The fact he was a backup and this move doesn't effect their starting lineup is that much of a bonus. In all honesty I'm somewhat surprised they got this much back for him.

 

As for Houston I'd have more faith in this move if it wasn't the Texans making this move. I have zero faith in the decision-making of this franchise. The bottomline is if he turns out to be a topshelf QB than they have helped stabilize the franchise. If he turns out to be nothing but ordinary than they are probably destined for more rough waters for the foreseeable future (the fact he will probably get a pretty good deal makes it that much riskier as well). This move has huge ramifications for a franchise that doesn't have much room for error.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

Until he was traded, Favre had played in a total of 2 games with the Falcons, and a total of 4 pass attempts. All he was at that point was a completely unproven and unknown backup. So how exactly does one categorize him, at that point in time, as a "loser QB"?

Go watch the bio on his time in Atlanta. He partied all the time, didn't know the plays, fell down the depth chart. His coaches believed he was going nowhere. It was even rumored that he was hungover at practices.

 

They were more than happy to trade him. He didn't have the right coaches. It was thought at the time that GB got schnookered by Atlanta. But time has switched it up and now Atlanta got the schnooker.

 

His status wasn't in the stats. It was in the player himself. Different situations make different players.

[LOD01 198]

Go watch the bio on his time in Atlanta. He partied all the time, didn't know the plays, fell down the depth chart. His coaches believed he was going nowhere. It was even rumored that he was hungover at practices.

 

They were more than happy to trade him. He didn't have the right coaches. It was thought at the time that GB got schnookered by Atlanta. But time has switched it up and now Atlanta got the schnooker.

 

His status wasn't in the stats. It was in the player himself. Different situations make different players.

 

I am truely amazed people don't know this too.

[Ignition Technition 0]

Go watch the bio on his time in Atlanta. He partied all the time, didn't know the plays, fell down the depth chart. His coaches believed he was going nowhere. It was even rumored that he was hungover at practices.

 

They were more than happy to trade him. He didn't have the right coaches. It was thought at the time that GB got schnookered by Atlanta. But time has switched it up and now Atlanta got the schnooker.

 

His status wasn't in the stats. It was in the player himself. Different situations make different players.

 

 

This is what I suspected all along. Carr needs to leave the bible belt, stop doing Community Service, and go someplace else where he can concentrate on his football.

[The Big Deal 0]

This is what I suspected all along. Carr needs to leave the bible belt, stop doing Community Service, and go someplace else where he can concentrate on his football.

 

I hear they have some party boats in Minnesota with his name on them.

[9-Route 0]

great move by the falcs to get something for nothing (when he moves on next yr).

 

someone mentioned schaub worth a 1.21 pick, based on the math from the draft pick chart. i think it is a very good deal. we've bashed aaron rodgers for his lack of skill and inability to look like anything worth his 1st rd draft status. he was drafted ~1.21. schaub has at least performed well (298/3/0) versus a tough def coordinator (mangini) and tough defense (pats). we've seen his games where he was competitive, with a fast release and quick reads. 2 things: 1) he seems a lot better of a potential project/risk than rodgers, and 2) these skill traits seem to fit what carr did early on this yr in houston, as he racked up a very high comp% (~70%) with quick reads and throws in kubiak's offense.

 

extra 2s and moving up 2 spots is nice for the falcs--they can add a great player, perhaps on defense where they've lost kerney, or on offense to help vick develop his passing.

 

as for houston, boston hit it on the head: is this the qb with charisma, leadership, and winning ability to get houston over the hump? we'll see. i know one thing: ffers will talk a lot of stuff the next few months, but ill be very interested to see where this guy gets snagged in drafts and what his projections/expectations are despite the banter.

[yostevo 0]

To judge this trade at this point is complete lunacy. Atlanta traded a loser QB once before for a 1st round pick and everyone said they fleeced GB in that trade. That player was Brett Favre. It's now considered one of the worst trades of all time.

 

Shaub has potential. Given the right system, coach, players around him, he could become the next big QB. Given the wrong system, coach, players around him, he could become the next big never was.

 

Can we stop judging things long before they are judgable? Judging it at this point is no better than the media trying to break a big story 1st. Often times wrong and out of context.

 

You're right. It's probably too early to judge this trade but on the surface there's nothing in my mind and I'm sure a lot of people's minds right now that justifies Houston having to give so much for a truly unproven talent. A 2nd round pick I could potentially see. Two 2nds and I'd call that a major reach. Throw in a change in draft positon and I have to question their decision making ability in general.

 

 

 

he is a QB The lions got a 4th for harrington and he is TERRIBLE

 

Harrington was traded for a conditional 6th round pick that got escalated up to a 5th because of Joey's playing time.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

You're right. It's probably too early to judge this trade but on the surface there's nothing in my mind and I'm sure a lot of people's minds right now that justifies Houston having to give so much for a truly unproven talent. A 2nd round pick I could potentially see. Two 2nds and I'd call that a major reach. Throw in a change in draft positon and I have to question their decision making ability in general.

Atl got a 1st for Favre way back when. Favre had thrown 4 passes and 2 of them were INT's. He then went on to a 3 MVP seasons 30+ TD's a season 8 times, SB winner etc etc. Atlanta is now looked at as having made one of the worst trades ever. If Schaub turns into a HOF (that's a big if) then I'd say Houston robbed Atlanta. But fact is, we won't know for quite some time.

 

As far as not seeing him being worth it now. Well, Favre didn't look the part either. Who really does?

 

What I'm getting at is that the scouts all over see Shaub's potential. He's already spent his time on the bench learning the NFL game. He's ready to take the next step. Will he? It's gonna be tough if they don't fix that OL. But it is certainly possible. Fact is, Houston got their "franchise" QB. Carr wasn't it. They think Schaub is. Now they can fix that OL. Levi Jones? Signed Jordan Black. Maybe trade up if Joe Thomas falls a couple of picks? Who knows? But they won't be drafting a QB.

[nobody 2,687]

It's never too early to judge a trade. You simply speculate on how well a player will do based on the facts at hand. That's what fans do.

 

That's why we rate NFL drafts and crap. It's fun to speculate.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

I'm going to start taking wagers.

 

Based on FFToday's scoring format there is no way no how Matt Schaub will outperform M. Vick this coming season. It won't even be close.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Houston will thrive with Schaub and at the end of the season you will ralize how badly the Texans took ATL to the cleaners. ATL will continue their sucky ways with vick and NO viable alternative behind him.

 

The Texans will go 8-8 or better with Schaub/Sage. THAT would be an impossible task with carr. So I would say, their trade was a good move.

 

I hope your not 100% serious.

 

I mean I like Schaub and think he can be good.....but they gave way too much. Spending those 2nds on quality players would have been the way to go.

 

Atl got a 1st for Favre way back when. Favre had thrown 4 passes and 2 of them were INT's. He then went on to a 3 MVP seasons 30+ TD's a season 8 times, SB winner etc etc. Atlanta is now looked at as having made one of the worst trades ever. If Schaub turns into a HOF (that's a big if) then I'd say Houston robbed Atlanta. But fact is, we won't know for quite some time.

 

As far as not seeing him being worth it now. Well, Favre didn't look the part either. Who really does?

 

What I'm getting at is that the scouts all over see Shaub's potential. He's already spent his time on the bench learning the NFL game. He's ready to take the next step. Will he? It's gonna be tough if they don't fix that OL. But it is certainly possible. Fact is, Houston got their "franchise" QB. Carr wasn't it. They think Schaub is. Now they can fix that OL. Levi Jones? Signed Jordan Black. Maybe trade up if Joe Thomas falls a couple of picks? Who knows? But they won't be drafting a QB.

 

You can't count on trades like the Favre one. They are less likely to heppen than to actually work out that way. And what do they have left to trade up with to get Joe Thomas?

 

It's just like Turner. The Chargers want a lot for him, I wouldn't risk a 1st round pick on a backup RB, then again I think 90% of all RBs arn't worth a 1st rounder. As for scouts seeing something in Schaub, what game footage do they have? a couple games worth? that can't be enough to give up this for a guy and fall in love with him

 

Falcons traded a bunch of picks and players to the Chargers for Vick....how did that turn out? Yes he fills seats but in winning not too much, in the end It now looks like the Falcons got robbed, and this was a for the best QB in the draft and most exciting player in a long time, Houston is trading this for a backup that was a 3rd rounder coming into the league.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

I'm going to start taking wagers.

 

Based on FFToday's scoring format there is no way no how Matt Schaub will outperform M. Vick this coming season. It won't even be close.

I have no doubt you are correct. Houston has got to fix that OL. Schaub could end up being the better QB over a career. But next year will be tough on him.

[nobody 2,687]

Figure Atlanta likes to trade away future Hall of Famers like LT and Favre, and you have to believe Schaub has at least got some all pro years left in him.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

Figure Atlanta likes to trade away future Hall of Famers like LT and Favre, and you have to believe Schaub has at least got some all pro years left in him.

Based on their track record. I'd say Schaub is due to win a couple MVPs.

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

i bet the bears wish they could re-do the jones trade now

 

Why? How are these related?

 

If we're just interjecting unrelated theories in this thread, I bet the Lions wish they could re-do the last 50 years now

 

Anyway, back to the topic, Carr is simply nothing special and the OLine has been made the scapegoat for too long. Carr was dealt a tough hand, but at some point, stars overcome their circumstances and improve the people around them. After 5 years, Carr hasn't remotely shown a sign of that. To say there is nothing Schaub can do that Carr can't is silly. No one can be sure how Schaub will turn out, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a GM who still liked Carr's potential more than Schaub's. The compensation Houston ultimately gets for Carr should help demonstrate this.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a GM who still liked Carr's potential more than Schaub's. The compensation Houston ultimately gets for Carr should help demonstrate this.

 

Rumor is Houston is asking for a 4th or 5th rd pick for Carr. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...nfl&id=1576

[Parja 0]

Rumor is Houston is asking for a 4th or 5th rd pick for Carr. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...nfl&id=1576

 

Psshh...that's beans. The Vikings should jump on this like a hobo on a ham sandwich.