Pac Man would love to play for Dallas

[xenophobe 1]

Pac Man is a disgrace and so is any team that would trade for him.

[jocstrap 8]

to be continued....

 

I would be happy with a 4th round pick.

[MicktheGreat 1]

to be continued....

 

I would be happy with a 4th round pick.

I would be absolutely ecstatic if we got a 3rd round pick for Pacman.

 

I'd be happy with a 4th round pick, and I could actually see that happening -- especially since apparently the Cowboys, Lions, and Patriots are all showing serious interest.

 

I wouldn't be disappointed overall with a 5th round pick and a player -- depending on who the player was and whether he fit a particular need for the Titans.

 

[Kilroy 0]

Millen says Lions won't pursue Pacman

The Lions are not making a bid for Adam "Pacman" Jones , the troubled Titans cornerback who currently is under suspension by the NFL for violating the league's personal conduct policy.

 

The Titans are attempting to trade Jones. The Lions will not pursue Jones, team president Matt Millen said Friday after Internet reports surfaced that the Lions are one of the teams interested in Jones.

 

"We've talked about it, but for a lot of reasons, we aren't going to try to get him," Millen said. "He has a lot of talent. We wish him well."

[typhus 13]

discarding the outliers (the good walker trade and the bad galloway trade), upon what do you base this statement?

 

Exactly,, even attempting to compare Jerry Jones to Danny Snyder is like comparing a succesfull wall street broker to a punk throwing dice in some back street alley. Pointless.

 

Unlike Danny Boy who mindlessly throws huge contracts and draft picks away on old vets, JJ has learned from his mistakes.... ie..Galloway, and has become very prudent in how he runs his franchise.

 

Gladstone, if you want to challenge this statement, feel free.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Exactly,, even attempting to compare Jerry Jones to Danny Snyder is like comparing a succesfull wall street broker to a punk throwing dice in some back street alley. Pointless.

 

Unlike Danny Boy who mindlessly throws huge contracts and draft picks away on old vets, JJ has learned from his mistakes.... ie..Galloway, and has become very prudent in how he runs his franchise.

 

Gladstone, if you want to challenge this statement, feel free.

 

Well lets just cut through all the BS and focus on their overall success as the "decider" of their respective franchises.

 

Danny Boy purchased the Washington Redskins prior to the 99 season, since then:

 

Dallas Cowboys regular season record: 70-74

Washing Redskins regular season record: 68-76

 

Cowboys playoff record: 0-3

 

Redskins playoff record: 2-2

 

Yeah, big gap between the two

[typhus 13]

Well lets just cut through all the BS and focus on their overall success as the "decider" of their respective franchises.

 

Danny Boy purchased the Washington Redskins prior to the 99 season, since then:

 

Dallas Cowboys regular season record: 70-74

Washing Redskins regular season record: 68-76

 

Cowboys playoff record: 0-3

 

Redskins playoff record: 2-2

 

Yeah, big gap between the two

 

Or the bigger picture.....

Cowboys under Jerry Jones tenure ...... 3 rings

Skins under Danny Boy....................... 0

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Or the bigger picture.....

Cowboys under Jerry Jones tenure ...... 3 rings

Skins under Danny Boy....................... 0

 

You're kidding right?

 

How conveniently you forget that Jerry fired the man responsible for assembling those 3 championships teams. Oh, and he shite-canned the guy responsible for your meager recent success.

 

But you're right, Jones was lucky enough to have had a prior relationship with the man from who's success he would leach off of for the next 15 years.

 

Would you care to do the legwork and show me what Jerry's record has been without Johnson/Parcells?

[jocstrap 8]

A quick intervention on the Dallas titles that should have gone to Buffalo

 

DETROIT

 

DALLAS

 

NE

 

Two names that need to be marked off first before rumors are put to rest. Is Dallas really going for this? No doubt an upgrade in a huge way at rock bottom prices.

 

Two first round picks on Def

 

Pacman added

 

This team would be in contention on paper. Why wouldn't Jerry Jones not want to pursue this? TO and his chemistry with Romo has 1-2 more years max. The timing is perfect.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

It'll be pretty sweet to add Pacman to a roster of class acts like Tank Johnson, TO, and Ken Hamlin.

 

[jocstrap 8]

It'll be pretty sweet to add Pacman to a roster of class acts like Tank Johnson, TO, and Ken Hamlin.

 

 

 

You see, the solid foundation is already in place

[Joey Gladstone 33]

You see, the solid foundation is already in place

 

For what? The next remake of The Longest Yard?

[typhus 13]

It'll be pretty sweet to add Pacman to a roster of class acts like Tank Johnson, TO, and Ken Hamlin.

 

 

All of whom have been model citizens snce they joined the franchise.

And BTW,

Thats pretty hypocritcal coming from a Skins fan whos team has more than their share of dirty laundry.

 

Oh, and one more thing..... Last I checked you got humped in December too.

 

Congrats on 3rd place in the Division.

[jocstrap 8]

Why wouldn't this year be the one to take a shot. You would have 3 first round defensive studs to add to a team that is really really close already. I don't think grabbing pacman for a 4th/5th round pick is that far out of the question.

[typhus 13]

Why wouldn't this year be the one to take a shot. You would have 3 first round defensive studs to add to a team that is really really close already. I don't think grabbing pacman for a 4th/5th round pick is that far out of the question.

 

Demarcus Ware and Terrance Newmans' contracts are both up after next season, and there is no way they will beable to retain both, especially with T-New already saying that he will be starting negotiaons at 7yrs 70 mil. Thats not going to happen. T-New will be gone.

Anthony Henry is already on the wrong side of 30, and with only 3.9m left under the cap this year, why not take a chance with the Pacman.

If you want my personel opinion on the guy, hes an idiot, but an idiot with alot of talent.

Dallas can sign him on the cheap, and cut him if he screws up again, and not be left holding the cap hit.

He has already said he wants to play in Dallas, and he will play for less, so why not.

Atleast he hasnt been shot and buried yet like some other thugs in the league. I know thats harsh, but true nonetheless.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

All of whom have been model citizens snce they joined the franchise.

And BTW,

Thats pretty hypocritcal coming from a Skins fan whos team has more than their share of dirty laundry.

 

Oh, and one more thing..... Last I checked you got humped in December too.

 

Congrats on 3rd place in the Division.

 

Check your sources son. I barely like the Skins more then the Cowboys.

[typhus 13]

Check your sources son. I barely like the Skins more then the Cowboys.

 

LOL, that explains it.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

LOL, that explains it.

 

 

What? What the fock does that explain? I hate that entire division, but to say Jerry Jones is far and away a better meddling owner is asinine. Both owners suck equally, but Redskin fans are slightly more tolerable then Cowboy fans.

 

And if you think adding Pacman to your franchise is a GOOD thing....well you need to reevaluate the franchise you root for.

 

Michael Irvin at least proved himself on an NFL field before he started focking up. Adam Jones is a lost cause.

 

The Cowboys will never even play in another Superbowl as long as Jerry Jones is alive. Donovon McNabb has already won more playoff games then Tony Homo will ever win. These are all facts.

[sirensong 111]

 

What? What the fock does that explain? I hate that entire division, but to say Jerry Jones is far and away a better meddling owner is asinine. Both owners suck equally, but Redskin fans are slightly more tolerable then Cowboy fans.

 

And if you think adding Pacman to your franchise is a GOOD thing....well you need to reevaluate the franchise you root for.

 

Michael Irvin at least proved himself on an NFL field before he started focking up. Adam Jones is a lost cause.

 

The Cowboys will never even play in another Superbowl as long as Jerry Jones is alive. Donovon McNabb has already won more playoff games then Tony Homo will ever win. These are all facts.

 

let's just look at that jerry jones thing for a minute.

 

bought the team after a 3-13 season. won 3 super bowls in the next 6 years.

 

bought the team for $300 million. as of 2007 (without the new stadium factored in), it was worth 1.5 billion. not just the best in the NFL, but the highest value of any team in any sport in the world.

 

and your command of the english language is as...amusing...as your business acumen. while your prognostications may eventually turn out to be correct, you may wish to take a quick look at the definition of the word "fact" before using it in such a grossly incorrect manner.

 

have a nice day.

[jgcrawfish 232]

let's just look at that jerry jones thing for a minute.

 

bought the team after a 3-13 season. won 3 super bowls in the next 6 years.

 

bought the team for $300 million. as of 2007 (without the new stadium factored in), it was worth 1.5 billion. not just the best in the NFL, but the highest value of any team in any sport in the world.

 

and your command of the english language is as...amusing...as your business acumen. while your prognostications may eventually turn out to be correct, you may wish to take a quick look at the definition of the word "fact" before using it in such a grossly incorrect manner.

 

have a nice day.

 

Ok, you're "sort of" right here. Yes Jerry bought a team that won 3 superbowls, but Jerry had little to do with that other than the hiring of Jimmy Johnson. And the "fact" that most people, sadly including hardcore/lifelong Dallas Cowboy fans, forget is that Jerry and Jimmy basically did a firesale of the team, getting rid of their best and most beloved player in Hershel Walker. It was a brilliant but hugely unpopular move that netted the Cowboys extra draft picks that they used to rebuild the team. However, I should remind you that the Cowboys also suffered through a Miami Dolphin'esq 1-15 season during that and developed a reputation for having a team filled with thugs and druggies. They also completely and utterly disrespected a living legend in Tom Landry to the point where he refused to go back to Texas Stadium and didn't want his name put into the ring of honor there. I should also remind you that the team hasn't won a playoff game since their last superbowl and have an extremely mediocre 96-96 record (not including all the playoff chokes) since then.

 

FWIW, it's obvious that both JJ and Snyder are shrewed businessmen, but as far as owners go, um, well,

[sirensong 111]

Ok, you're "sort of" right here. Yes Jerry bought a team that won 3 superbowls, but Jerry had little to do with that other than the hiring of Jimmy Johnson. And the "fact" that most people, sadly including hardcore/lifelong Dallas Cowboy fans, forget is that Jerry and Jimmy basically did a firesale of the team, getting rid of their best and most beloved player in Hershel Walker. It was a brilliant but hugely unpopular move that netted the Cowboys extra draft picks that they used to rebuild the team. However, I should remind you that the Cowboys also suffered through a Miami Dolphin'esq 1-15 season during that and developed a reputation for having a team filled with thugs and druggies. They also completely and utterly disrespected a living legend in Tom Landry to the point where he refused to go back to Texas Stadium and didn't want his name put into the ring of honor there. I should also remind you that the team hasn't won a playoff game since their last superbowl and have an extremely mediocre 96-96 record (not including all the playoff chokes) since then.

 

FWIW, it's obvious that both JJ and Snyder are shrewed businessmen, but as far as owners go, um, well,

 

yeah they suffered through a 1-15 season. they had no players on that team--they gave up their only established player (walker), who was never really that "beloved". the only other guy they had was irvin, in his second season. 2 rookie QBs (aikman and walsh), paul palmer (who?) as the starting tailback, and a lot of carryovers from the pelleur/hogeboom days. remember what they did the following year?

 

as for jerry's participation in the dynasty years, who can say? neither you nor i were sitting in the room with the JJs, so we cannot say with any degree of certainty how involved jerry was in the equation. remember, jimmy was a college coach with absolutely zero pro credentials--would jerry let him run things unchecked after investing 9 digits of his own money? unlikely, to say the least. i agree that bringing jimmy in was the best possible move, but to state that jimmy ran everything is silly--we just don't know. and what did jimmy accomplish without jerry? absolutely nothing. so i think it's fair to state that they had a symbiotic relationship--neither has been very successful without the other.

 

i completely agree with your comment regarding landry. but to be fair, if you've ever read some of landry's history, you'll remember that he was not the nicest of guys in his early career, either. and the dallas drug connection was very evident during his administration, as well.

 

all things considered, other than kraft, who is a "better" owner than jones? robert johnson, who bought the jets in '90 and still hasn't been to the super bowl? mike brown, maybe? irsay? rooney? tom benson? al davis?

 

how do you define a good owner?

[jgcrawfish 232]

yeah they suffered through a 1-15 season. they had no players on that team--they gave up their only established player (walker), who was never really that "beloved". the only other guy they had was irvin, in his second season. 2 rookie QBs (aikman and walsh), paul palmer (who?) as the starting tailback, and a lot of carryovers from the pelleur/hogeboom days. remember what they did the following year?

 

as for jerry's participation in the dynasty years, who can say? neither you nor i were sitting in the room with the JJs, so we cannot say with any degree of certainty how involved jerry was in the equation. remember, jimmy was a college coach with absolutely zero pro credentials--would jerry let him run things unchecked after investing 9 digits of his own money? unlikely, to say the least. i agree that bringing jimmy in was the best possible move, but to state that jimmy ran everything is silly--we just don't know. and what did jimmy accomplish without jerry? absolutely nothing. so i think it's fair to state that they had a symbiotic relationship--neither has been very successful without the other.

 

i completely agree with your comment regarding landry. but to be fair, if you've ever read some of landry's history, you'll remember that he was not the nicest of guys in his early career, either. and the dallas drug connection was very evident during his administration, as well.

 

all things considered, other than kraft, who is a "better" owner than jones? robert johnson, who bought the jets in '90 and still hasn't been to the super bowl? mike brown, maybe? irsay? rooney? tom benson? al davis?

 

how do you define a good owner?

 

I don't know that I have a definition. You see the teams that are successful having owners who trust people to do their jobs. New England, Indy, Pittsburgh, even Seattle and Philly (haven't won a title but are usually hanging around) in the NFL San Antonio, Detroit in NBA. Those teams seem to have owners who are committed to winning but don't exhibit behavior that should have them committed. Their owners are typically behind the scenes and let their GM's and HC's set the path. You see guys like Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, Al Davis, Steinbrenner and Mark Cuban who not only grab all the headlines, but are very meddlesome to their franchises, and they don't see to be able to get over the top. I contend that the Cowboys were at their best when Jerry was less involved and his meddling has hampered them since then. In fact, they only recently improved when Parcells (and his own overbloated waistline and ego) would not allow Jerry to grab the headlines. And the team that is experiencing some degree of success now is the one Parcells began building 4 yrs ago, with significantly less involvement by Jerry. Hell, Al Davis is basically single handedly killed the Raiders and Snyder is finally figuring out buying the highest priced FA does not get you anywhere.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

how do you define a good owner?

 

Open the checkbook, step out of the way and let actual football people handle all the rest. It's kind of a proven method.

 

By all means, blindly back your boy Jerry Jones, no skin off my ass. Until he "gets it" I'll enjoy watching you never win a playoff game again. Cowboy fans deserve it.

[sirensong 111]

Open the checkbook, step out of the way and let actual football people handle all the rest. It's kind of a proven method.

 

By all means, blindly back your boy Jerry Jones, no skin off my ass. Until he "gets it" I'll enjoy watching you never win a playoff game again. Cowboy fans deserve it.

 

by your reference to winning "playoff games" instead of "super bowls", i assume that you're a fan of a team that suffers from a lombardi trophy deficiency.

 

so with all this trash talk, which NFL team do you support?

[cbfalcon 825]

You're kidding right?

 

How conveniently you forget that Jerry fired the man responsible for assembling those 3 championships teams. Oh, and he shite-canned the guy responsible for your meager recent success.

 

But you're right, Jones was lucky enough to have had a prior relationship with the man from who's success he would leach off of for the next 15 years.

 

Would you care to do the legwork and show me what Jerry's record has been without Johnson/Parcells?

 

So you think that's the fair way to judge Jerry Jones? He gets no credit for the good years, takes all the blame for the bad years, then gets no credit as things are looking up again? If we judge owenrs like that, don't they all suck?

 

I'm pretty sure he hired Jimmy Johnson. This was at a time when it was considered risky to go the college coach route. It also took some balls to fire Tom Landry I think.

 

I'm also pretty sure Jones hired Parcells (who quit by the way...didn't get canned)

[typhus 13]

by your reference to winning "playoff games" instead of "super bowls", i assume that you're a fan of a team that suffers from a lombardi trophy deficiency.

 

so with all this trash talk, which NFL team do you support?

 

That pretty well sums it up Sirensong, and I bet he wont reveal any team he supports. Hes the classic defintition of the term "troll".

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I'm a Seahawks fan, not that it is relevant. We have a real owner that spends money on his team, but is intelligent enough to let football people take care of football business. We've never won a Superbowl, but at least we dont have to dial back over a decade to defend our team either, as we have enjoyed much more success then your franchise recently.

 

If Paul Allen started sticking his billionaire nose into business that wasn't his, to the detriment of the franchise, I would not blindly support him. Although, there are plenty of things Texans do that I don't understand, so nevermind me.

 

And back on topic, I really hope you land Pacman.

[Mr. Landry 29]

I'm a Seahawks fan, not that it is relevant. We have a real owner that spends money on his team, but is intelligent enough to let football people take care of football business. We've never won a Superbowl, but at least we dont have to dial back over a decade to defend our team either, as we have enjoyed much more success then your franchise recently.

 

If Paul Allen started sticking his billionaire nose into business that wasn't his, to the detriment of the franchise, I would not blindly support him. Although, there are plenty of things Texans do that I don't understand, so nevermind me.

 

And back on topic, I really hope you land Pacman.

 

 

I'm not here to defend the Cowboys because I don't feel they need defending, but I'm confused as to what you think an owner is supposed to do. I would think an owner's job is to make money and win Super Bowls. Jerry Jones has built the Cowboys into the most valuable franchise in the NFL and has won three Super Bowls since taking over the team (who, by the way, had three consecutive losing seasons before he purchased them...so he did build those Super Bowl teams)...two things that your beloved owner has not done. Sounds to me as if he's doing okay. Certainly much better than you paint him out to be.

 

As far as signing Jones...I hate the guy. But one of the obvious holes on the Cowboys team is the DB position. If you can sign a first round talent for a fourth rounder...how is that bad? It will imediately upgrade the Cowboys secondary and will cost them very little. If/when he focks up then he gets released and the Cowboys are no worse for wear.

 

I understand Jones isn't the perfect owner, nor the Cowboys the perfect team, but your blind hatred of the Cowboys is embarrassing.

[surferskin 30]

did anyone else hear the sound bites from pacman on irvin's radio show? is there any doubt that this is the dumbest muthafocker on the entire planet? "ain't nuthin wrong wiff goin to da skrip club"

[Sho Nuff 720]

did anyone else hear the sound bites from pacman on irvin's radio show? is there any doubt that this is the dumbest muthafocker on the entire planet? "ain't nuthin wrong wiff goin to da skrip club"

 

Not even that...but when asked if he would be going anymore...he started at saying you would not see him one in 3-4 years...then it was a couple or 3 years...then it was a couple of years.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I'm not here to defend the Cowboys because I don't feel they need defending, but I'm confused as to what you think an owner is supposed to do. I would think an owner's job is to make money and win Super Bowls. Jerry Jones has built the Cowboys into the most valuable franchise in the NFL and has won three Super Bowls since taking over the team (who, by the way, had three consecutive losing seasons before he purchased them...so he did build those Super Bowl teams)...two things that your beloved owner has not done. Sounds to me as if he's doing okay. Certainly much better than you paint him out to be.

 

As far as signing Jones...I hate the guy. But one of the obvious holes on the Cowboys team is the DB position. If you can sign a first round talent for a fourth rounder...how is that bad? It will imediately upgrade the Cowboys secondary and will cost them very little. If/when he focks up then he gets released and the Cowboys are no worse for wear.

 

I understand Jones isn't the perfect owner, nor the Cowboys the perfect team, but your blind hatred of the Cowboys is embarrassing.

 

Jerry Jones didn't build anything. He hired Jimmy Johnson, that's all he gets credit for. Jimmy built those 3 championship teams. If anything Cowboy fans should be angry with him for potentially costing them another championship or two by letting his ego get in the way.

 

And the official line on Parcells was that he was let go.

 

Other then those two coaches, Jones has just hired puppets and taken the team nowhere. They had a lucky season this year with a team almost entirely built by Parcells. Depending on TO for another season, another season with a joke at head coach (who's lacking the help he got from Sporano) combined with bringing in classy, dependable guys like Pacman means you'll be back to the 6-10 to 8-8 range. I bet the Cowboys finish behind Snyder's team this season.

 

As far as creating a valuable franchise, I never said he wasn't a good businessman. The fact that they have remained one of the most profitable franchises despite a decade of futility is impressive. He's just not a GM.

[surferskin 30]

Not even that...but when asked if he would be going anymore...he started at saying you would not see him one in 3-4 years...then it was a couple or 3 years...then it was a couple of years.

how could he possibly stay away that long? the man has got to eat.

[sirensong 111]

Jerry Jones didn't build anything. He hired Jimmy Johnson, that's all he gets credit for. Jimmy built those 3 championship teams.

 

you keep repeating that over and over, as though just saying it will make it true. what makes you think you have any idea whatsoever about what happened from the team management perspective? were you following the cowboys at the time? did you have sources that the rest of us (who were following the team even during the 3-13 and 1-15 years) lacked? especially since personnel management issues have been strictly confidential going all the way back to the landry days.

 

either enlighten us as to your sources, or admit that you are talking out of your ass.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

you keep repeating that over and over, as though just saying it will make it true. what makes you think you have any idea whatsoever about what happened from the team management perspective? were you following the cowboys at the time? did you have sources that the rest of us (who were following the team even during the 3-13 and 1-15 years) lacked? especially since personnel management issues have been strictly confidential going all the way back to the landry days.

 

either enlighten us as to your sources, or admit that you are talking out of your ass.

 

Sounds like the defense of a naive homer to me. Again, good luck with Pacman.

[Mr. Landry 29]

Sounds like the defense of a naive homer to me. Again, good luck with Pacman.

 

 

Sounds like the answer of a man who is, apparantly, talking out of his ass.

[Phurfur 70]

Jerry Jones didn't build anything. He hired Jimmy Johnson, that's all he gets credit for. Jimmy built those 3 championship teams. If anything Cowboy fans should be angry with him for potentially costing them another championship or two by letting his ego get in the way.

 

And the official line on Parcells was that he was let go.

 

Other then those two coaches, Jones has just hired puppets and taken the team nowhere. They had a lucky season this year with a team almost entirely built by Parcells. Depending on TO for another season, another season with a joke at head coach (who's lacking the help he got from Sporano) combined with bringing in classy, dependable guys like Pacman means you'll be back to the 6-10 to 8-8 range. I bet the Cowboys finish behind Snyder's team this season.

 

As far as creating a valuable franchise, I never said he wasn't a good businessman. The fact that they have remained one of the most profitable franchises despite a decade of futility is impressive. He's just not a GM.

 

 

This is the way the rest of the world sees it. When JJ let Jimmy Johnson go everyone outside of Dallas said "Wow JJ is a moron, this is great news for the rest of us".

 

 

 

you keep repeating that over and over, as though just saying it will make it true. what makes you think you have any idea whatsoever about what happened from the team management perspective? were you following the cowboys at the time? did you have sources that the rest of us (who were following the team even during the 3-13 and 1-15 years) lacked? especially since personnel management issues have been strictly confidential going all the way back to the landry days.

 

either enlighten us as to your sources, or admit that you are talking out of your ass.

 

I think all you have to do is look at Dallas' record since Jimmy Johnson left and Parcells was hired. It didn't take long for that team to go down hill and this one will be the same. They better get Pacman because their window is closing.

[worm 36]

Link

After their initial offer of a seventh-round draft pick to the Titans for their suspended cornerback was rejected, the Cowboys have upped their proposal to include a player along with the late-round selection, a source told SI.com.

Looks like Tenn. is trying to squeeze out as much as they can get for him. But my question is, why all of this when he hasn't even been reinstated yet?

[Kilroy 0]

Link

 

Looks like Tenn. is trying to squeeze out as much as they can get for him. But my question is, why all of this when he hasn't even been reinstated yet?

 

I don't get it either. Seems like the Cowboys are only bidding against themselves at this point anyway.

 

I can't believe a team is even willing to acquire him - especially through a trade. He's Tennessee's problem - for them to either take him back or release him. I can't imagine they want to keep him around. If and/or when he gets cut then pursue the guy if you really want to. All the troubles he's had though, I wouldn't want him on my team.

[Space Gunk 0]

The chances this guy ever makes a difference for a team is about 0. Any team trading for him would be insane.

[sirensong 111]

I think all you have to do is look at Dallas' record since Jimmy Johnson left and Parcells was hired.

 

in that 8 year time frame, the cowboys made 5 playoff appearances, won 4 division titles, and won a super bowl. seattle fans seem to think that this would be doing quite well.

 

 

 

 

 

edit: we've gotten rather far afield. i don't like adam jones. his "brushes" with the law are far more indicative of his character than tank's (daley's stance on guns is about as anti-constitutional as possible, and violating that "law" is an act of downright civil disobedience). i didn't want TO, but it seems that he has finally bought into the team concept, and he has earned my grudging respect. (i actually told him this when i met him at an addison nightclub in december--vue/972 for the locals)

 

my gut feeling is that acquiring jones is a bad idea, but i can respect the logic that picking up 1st round talent for a 4th round pick and contract is a good gamble, provided that the team can cut bait if any counterproductive behavior manifests.