FFT Homer Mock Draft Commentary...

[kutulu 1,676]

Thread.

 

1.1 Miami, Chris Long, DE (Virginia)

1.2 St. Louis, Jake Long, OT (Michigan)

1.3 Atlanta, Glenn Dorsey, DT (LSU)

1.4 Oakland, Darren McFadden, RB (Arkansas)

1.5 Kansas City, Sedrick Ellis, DT (USC)

1.7 NE, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB (Tenn St)

1.8 Balt, Matt Ryan, QB, (Boston College)

1.9 Cincy, Keith Rivers, LB (USC)

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I was tempted to take Dorsey, just to not be completely predictable. St. Louis could use help on both lines. But..

 

A. The top 2 QB's on the depth chart could easily both be lost for the year in one 5 minute span

 

B. The LSU Tigers and all their fans are flaming rimjob experts

 

So I made the only pick I logically could.

[kutulu 1,676]

B. The LSU Tigers and all their fans are flaming rimjob experts

 

This is the kind of insight missing from mainstream mock drafts you find at espn and si.

[worm 36]

Speaking of which, have you seen the fans' mock at espn.com? It's pretty funny; for example, Chad Henne at #14 to the Bears.

[Fumbleweed 545]

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[jocstrap 8]

Would you all like these threads to be pinned? Let me know...

 

 

Pin the actual teams, drafter, & picks - - it needs to be better organized for viewer purposes than the original thread IMO.

 

a possible pin on the comment thread which should have 5x the responses

 

[cblue 0]

1) I like the C. Long pick. Other than McFadden, I think he is as close to a "sure thing" (if there is such a thing) there is in this draft.

 

2) J. Long. St. Louis really suffers when O. Pace is not able to play. They really need a good LT to take his place.

[kutulu 1,676]

Pin the actual teams, drafter, & picks - - it needs to be better organized for viewer purposes than the original thread IMO.

 

a possible pin on the comment thread which should have 5x the responses

 

 

 

There is no way it will be better organized if I have anything to do with it.

[listen2me 23 1,871]

I fully understand the C. Long pick is solid and obvious. He will definatly go top 3, and Miami will most likely pick him #1, unless they somehow find a trading partner.

 

But I ask why? In my opinion, how is this guy worth a #1 pick? He is a 3-4 OLB for Miami. How are they an important position. Everyone loves Ware, Merriman, Phillips, Wimbley, and so on. Why? They aren't that important. They aren't great players. There final sack total looks nice with 10-14 sacks. But they rush the passer almost every play. These type of guys usually aren't great cover guys, nor do they tackle real well. Basically a 1 trick pony. I just don't see Chris Long being any better of a prospect than Merriman and Ware were, and they weren't considered at #1.

 

I would take the franchise LT, he if you don't like him, what about the franchsie QB?

 

JMO

[Barnaby Wilde 0]

I took Chris Long because the Dolphins spent a 2nd round pick on a QB (Beck) last year, and their defense is on the verge of being overhauled, and Long could be the centerpiece of it for years. I think Miami will entertain offers to try and trade the pick for additional selections, but they can take an OT in round 2 (like Sam Baker) or even trade out of the #32 pick for more picks.

[cblue 0]

I fully understand the C. Long pick is solid and obvious. He will definatly go top 3, and Miami will most likely pick him #1, unless they somehow find a trading partner.

 

But I ask why? In my opinion, how is this guy worth a #1 pick? He is a 3-4 OLB for Miami. How are they an important position. Everyone loves Ware, Merriman, Phillips, Wimbley, and so on. Why? They aren't that important. They aren't great players. There final sack total looks nice with 10-14 sacks. But they rush the passer almost every play. These type of guys usually aren't great cover guys, nor do they tackle real well. Basically a 1 trick pony. I just don't see Chris Long being any better of a prospect than Merriman and Ware were, and they weren't considered at #1.

 

I would take the franchise LT, he if you don't like him, what about the franchsie QB?

 

JMO

 

Good points. I can't say that you are wrong. But, here is my thought process.

 

I think that he is the highest rated player. Which, I guess, means that he is the least likely to be a bust. So I can't disagree with the pick. Miami, may like Beck. Besides the Tuna does like Veteran QB's, rather that Rookie Qb's. Plus I don't think any of them grade high enough to warrant a #1 pick.

 

I think that if you have the #1 pick you should chose the highest rated player- especially if you have a need at that position.

[ronnydobbs 0]

I think the Chris Long pick was the right way to go. If you look at sack totals (30) for the Dolphins last year and see that Jason Taylor had over a third of them, then the pick makes sense. The Dolphins gave up over 150 yds average per game on the ground last year with 18 TDs and only 189 yds average per game through the air but 28 TDs rec. They need someone that can get to the QB to at least get them off their game. QBs weren't getting touched and could just pass it around at their leisure and then turn it over to the running game to finish out the clock in the fourth. C. Long will give them that guy that can come off the corner and hurry the QB into making mistakes.

 

The Jake Long pick at #2 makes total sense. With the offensive weapons that they have in S.Jax and Holt, giving the QB more time should improve the production of this unit (See Joe Thomas in CLE situation). They can look to the later rounds to improve the defense, but this is a nice franchise pick.

[phillybear 366]

Hey, kutulu, you will need to record the selections in a list form somewhere, most likely the pick thread.

[kutulu 1,676]

Hey, kutulu, you will need to record the selections in a list form somewhere, most likely the pick thread.

 

look up, sunshine!

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I believe Dorsey is an absolute no brainer here for Atlanta. I'd have had a tougher decision if Jake Long were there but Dorsey makes complete sense for Atlanta's needs and he's one of the most worthy of top 5 money.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I believe Dorsey is an absolute no brainer here for Atlanta. I'd have had a tougher decision if Jake Long were there but Dorsey makes complete sense for Atlanta's needs and he's one of the most worthy of top 5 money.

 

Do they have a QB to throw the ball?

[ronnydobbs 0]

Do they have a QB to throw the ball?

 

I hear Dilfer is available

 

This is a tough pick for ATL, I guess by re-signing Harrington they can take a chance with one of their many 2nd round picks to grab a QB or package and get back into the 1st to grab a QB. Either way I say Dorsey is a better pick than a QB at #3 because they can pay him less than they would a QB at #3 and overall he can contribute right away.

[MicktheGreat 1]

Do they have a QB to throw the ball?

I think they'll probably run the ball into the ground with Turner & Norwood and try to have a QB who can simply be a game manager for them. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them target a QB in round 2 or even trade up into the bottom of round 1 and select someone like Chad Henne, Joe Flacco, or Brian Brohm.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I think they'll probably run the ball into the ground with Turner & Norwood and try to have a QB who can simply be a game manager for them. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them target a QB in round 2 or even trade up into the bottom of round 1 and select someone like Chad Henne, Joe Flacco, or Brian Brohm.

 

 

I would see them doing something with the OL or having a QB to who can actually manage the game. Norwood is a crappy blocker and their QB's were getting killed. I am not sure that DL is a great way to go to build that team, but I can certainly understand that pick given all of the holes that team has.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

I think they'll probably run the ball into the ground with Turner & Norwood and try to have a QB who can simply be a game manager for them. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them target a QB in round 2 or even trade up into the bottom of round 1 and select someone like Chad Henne, Joe Flacco, or Brian Brohm.

 

 

They should wait on taking a Qb until the 2nd and take Brohm.

[kutulu 1,676]

<-------Call me Al.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Do they have a QB to throw the ball?

 

Sure they do. Is there a QB in this draft that deserves a 1st round grade, let alone a top 3 pick?

 

Just b/c QB is a need doesn't mean you're team is required to make a poor draft pick.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Sure they do. Is there a QB in this draft that deserves a 1st round grade, let alone a top 3 pick?

 

Just b/c QB is a need doesn't mean you're team is required to make a poor draft pick.

 

I don't disagree. I don't see Matt Ryan as being that valuable at all. I just don't know that Dorsey is a no-brainer given their needs.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I don't disagree. I don't see Matt Ryan as being that valuable at all. I just don't know that Dorsey is a no-brainer given their needs.

 

Name a better choice based on their needs please.

[Kopy 568]

Sure they do. Is there a QB in this draft that deserves a 1st round grade, let alone a top 3 pick?

 

Just b/c QB is a need doesn't mean you're team is required to make a poor draft pick.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. Logic.

 

I agree. Good thinking. Good pick. And I agree. While alot of good QB's. They do seem interchangable to me. No need to take a guy at 1.3 when you can get the same value in rounds 2 or 3.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Kutulu - I'll be GM for Indy if no one else wants it, and apparently they don't.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Name a better choice based on their needs please.

 

I think OL is a bigger need. I might go with Clady instead. I could even see a move to Gholston.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I think OL is a bigger need. I might go with Clady instead. I could even see a move to Gholston.

 

Clady is a reach and DE is not as important to Atlanta as DT. If Jake Long were there I'd have a tough pick but since he's gone, it's easy.

 

NFL Draft Countdown.

Defensive Tackle: Rod Coleman was their one impact presence on the interior but he's gone and to make matters worse youngster Trey Lewis suffered a major setback in the rehab of his knee injury.

 

You can overthink this pick. I choose not to do so.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I think OL is a bigger need. I might go with Clady instead. I could even see a move to Gholston.

 

I look forward to your NE pick b/c I guarantee it's going to be much easier to 2nd guess than this Atlanta pick I just made.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I look forward to your NE pick b/c I guarantee it's going to be much easier to 2nd guess than this Atlanta pick I just made.

 

I am asking you questions as to why you made the pick over others. I would hope that you would be asking me the exact same types of questions. Some of you folks have such thin skins when you make picks that it is funny.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I am asking you questions as to why you made the pick over others. I would hope that you would be asking me the exact same types of questions. Some of you folks have such thin skins when you make picks that it is funny.

 

Maybe I do need to thicken, and maybe you need to research needs, and value, and BPA, etc.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Maybe I do need to thicken, and maybe you need to research needs, and value, and BPA, etc.

 

This thread is for commentary.

 

What I have come to find out during this exchange is that:

- You considered Ryan, but did not like the value of that pick at #3 and figure that you can get better value in round 2 (check)

- You don't think that Clady is a top 3 pick, but if Long were there you would go OT (check)

- You don't like Gholston at that spot for Atlanta. Not really in need of an outside pass rush given his skills (check)

- You gave it more thought than just a no-brainer. You did look at those other options and thought Dorsey was the best for the team (check)

 

I did not do any detailed research on Atlanta's needs. I was asking in this thread because I figured you did. I can say the same about OAK and KC as well. I will ask those folks about their thinking since I figure that this is why we do a mock draft.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

This thread is for commentary.

 

What I have come to find out during this exchange is that:

- You considered Ryan, but did not like the value of that pick at #3 and figure that you can get better value in round 2 (check)

- You don't think that Clady is a top 3 pick, but if Long were there you would go OT (check)

- You don't like Gholston at that spot for Atlanta. Not really in need of an outside pass rush given his skills (check)

- You gave it more thought than just a no-brainer. You did look at those other options and thought Dorsey was the best for the team (check)

 

I did not do any detailed research on Atlanta's needs. I was asking in this thread because I figured you did. I can say the same about OAK and KC as well. I will ask those folks about their thinking since I figure that this is why we do a mock draft.

 

Suit yourself.

 

Atlanta Draft - J. Long = Dorsey = Logical imo = "No-brainer" imo

[listen2me 23 1,871]

Good points. I can't say that you are wrong. But, here is my thought process.

 

I think that he is the highest rated player. Which, I guess, means that he is the least likely to be a bust. So I can't disagree with the pick. Miami, may like Beck. Besides the Tuna does like Veteran QB's, rather that Rookie Qb's. Plus I don't think any of them grade high enough to warrant a #1 pick.

 

I think that if you have the #1 pick you should chose the highest rated player- especially if you have a need at that position.

 

Again, I understand the pick, and that is most likely to be the pick for the Dolphins this year.

 

I just don't understand why 3-4 OLBs are so valued.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Suit yourself.

 

Atlanta Draft - J. Long = Dorsey = Logical imo = "No-brainer" imo

 

I completely understand what you are saying. I did not from the original post. Call me slow.

[listen2me 23 1,871]

I believe Dorsey is an absolute no brainer here for Atlanta. I'd have had a tougher decision if Jake Long were there but Dorsey makes complete sense for Atlanta's needs and he's one of the most worthy of top 5 money.

 

I was thinking Matt Ryan here. They do need a new face of the franchise with the Vick thing. Who are their QBs now anyways?

 

Again, this is a senseable pick. I'm not knocking your pick. Dorsey was considered the best player in the draft for a long time. I'm not sure of the past injury and what that will do to his stock?

 

But in my personal opinion I think Dorsey will be a bust. I look at all of the dominate DTs in todays game. Kevin Williams, Shawn Rodgers, Haynesworth, Henderson, Stroud. All of these guys and most all of the great DTs in todays game are huge. In the 6'4-6'6 315-330 lbs. Dorsey is what? 6'2 299 I think? Sure you have Warren Sapp, but it seems like today the best are giants.

[listen2me 23 1,871]

Sure they do. Is there a QB in this draft that deserves a 1st round grade, let alone a top 3 pick?

 

Um? Matt Ryan? Have you heard of him?

 

He definatly is a 1st round QB. May not be a top 3 QB if ATL doesn't take him. But is a lock for top 10.

[Kopy 568]

A new pick was made. And as a Michael Bush owner, I say

Pick again!!!

[listen2me 23 1,871]

Went to nfldraftcountdown.com to look at Dorsey and he was right on the front page, next to his Picture it said

"Sure fire top 5 pick"?

 

Anyway here is the link to his scounting report. He measured at the combine even smaller than what I thought. 6'1/2 297lbs.

 

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...lenndorsey.html

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Um? Matt Ryan? Have you heard of him?

 

He definatly is a 1st round QB. May not be a top 3 QB if ATL doesn't take him. But is a lock for top 10.

 

He may be a 1st rounder but is he head and shoulders above Flacco, Henne, or Brohm? Do the Falcons want to make their stand right here and right now by picking him 3rd overall? Chris Redmond did a solid job for Atlanta last year and they resigned him on the cheap for 2 years. Sure, he's a stopgap but it buys Atlanta time. If Ryan is picked 3rd overall in this draft, the pressure is squarely on him to be the savior of this franchise. Is he a can't miss QB prospect that will be able to handle that pressure. I say no.