kilroy69 1,039 Posted March 25, 2008 It a simple question? Should it be legal or not legal and why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted March 25, 2008 You forgot the "the US Constitution protects every US citizen's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," and by killing an unborn child you violate it's Constitutional rights. but "nutjob" is a much better way to spark civilized debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toro 1 Posted March 25, 2008 Whoores need to keep them legs closed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,564 Posted March 25, 2008 People who get abortions should get the death penalty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,039 Posted March 25, 2008 You forgot the "the US Constitution protects every US citizen's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," and by killing an unborn child you violate it's Constitutional rights. but "nutjob" is a much better way to spark civilized debate. the UNBORN child is not alive and is not covered. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,081 Posted March 25, 2008 Only in the case of incest or rape. Otherwise people should be held to their own accountability. There are enough ways to prevent pregnancy that all out abortions are not needed. It goes back to being responsible for your own actions. If you have an unwanted pregnancy give it up for adoption the best part of you ran down your momma's leg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cortezthekiller303 0 Posted March 25, 2008 You forgot the "the US Constitution protects every US citizen's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," and by killing an unborn child you violate it's Constitutional rights. but "nutjob" is a much better way to spark civilized debate. You are way too young to already be on the wrong track with this sh1t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,564 Posted March 25, 2008 Only in the case of incest or rape. O[/code] So a child born out of a rape or incest is worth less than a baby not born out of rape or incest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted March 25, 2008 the UNBORN child is not alive and is not covered. HTH that's where our opinions differ, rendering this entire debate useless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,081 Posted March 25, 2008 So a child born out of a rape or incest is worth less than a baby not born out of rape or incest. Yes. The mother had no choice in the matter. Kill the little focker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage Beast 1 Posted March 25, 2008 the UNBORN child is not alive and is not covered. HTH According to biological science it's very alive. Did you study biology in your high school lab classes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ERZER 0 Posted March 25, 2008 Kilroy, you need another choice besides the two (IMO)...how about yes with extenuating circumstances. the UNBORN child is not alive and is not covered. HTH Ok, obviously this is an interpretation, but it is alive, it just isn't born yet. If life is only after it is out of the body, then all of your internal cells are dead - with that in mind, would it be ok for someone to attack you internally (poison) because those cells are dead? I understand the "law" stance, but lets not be naive to say the law says so. That said and I support abortion for the following reasons: Life of the mother is threatened Rape Incest (on an unwilling partner aka rape) Outside of that, I don't condone abortion, but I won't say women shouldn't be able to choose but they will have to live with the decision and hope there isn't a omnipotent being to pass judgment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage Beast 1 Posted March 25, 2008 Incest (on an unwilling partner aka rape) Why does a person conceived in this ways have to die? English royalty in the middle ages was conceived in incest, as are most people born in Kentucky and West Virginia to this very day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted March 25, 2008 Why does a person conceived in this ways have to die? English royalty in the middle ages was conceived in incest, as are most people born in Kentucky and West Virginia to this very day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lionsjunkie 1 Posted March 25, 2008 Only in the case of incest or rape. Otherwise people should be held to their own accountability. There are enough ways to prevent pregnancy that all out abortions are not needed. It goes back to being responsible for your own actions. If you have an unwanted pregnancy give it up for adoption the best part of you ran down your momma's leg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voice_Of_Reason 0 Posted March 25, 2008 I don't buy the "right to choose" argument. There is plenty you are not allowed to do to your body. You can't sell a kidney, You can't sell yourself (except in Nevada ), and you can't alter your state of mind with certain drugs. But somehow this is a right to choose issue? I don't buy it. It's an excuse to not face responsibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,081 Posted March 25, 2008 Why does a person conceived in this ways have to die? English royalty in the middle ages was conceived in incest, as are most people born in Kentucky and West Virginia to this very day. Especially those inbred bastards in Kentucky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ravens 03 0 Posted March 26, 2008 Abortion stops a beating heart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JWD 0 Posted March 26, 2008 Of course abortion should be illegal. If a woman can be charged with the murder of an unborn child due to drug abuse or other negligent acts then why is it legal to have a doctor off it for them? I'm so sick of hearing it a womans choice. If the woman made the right choices to begin with there wouldn't be all the murders/abortions in the first place! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 365 Posted March 26, 2008 Easy question. Easier answer. If a mother is careless enough to get pregnant and cold hearted enough to kill her baby, then she would be a lousy mother. Let her have her abortion, and never be allowed to have another kid. Basically close her twat with cement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JWD 0 Posted March 26, 2008 the UNBORN child is not alive and is not covered. HTH Here is a video of a child in it's mothers womb, it's 4D scongram. If you still believe that they are not a living person then you are blind. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=71...h&plindex=2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted March 26, 2008 You forgot the "the US Constitution protects every US citizen's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," and by killing an unborn child you violate it's Constitutional rights. but "nutjob" is a much better way to spark civilized debate. Well, I am not sure if you have read the Constitution, but I can assure you that it does not protect "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Those words are from the Declaration of Independence. I think that you might be referring to the 14th Amendment, which states "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". However, that Amendment actually starts with: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. If you notice, it states that you actually have to be either "born or naturalized" in order to be a citizen. As such, at least Constitutionally, unborn babies are not really covered in your argument. Now, if you want to get into the moral, religious, and ethical areas, feel free, but I would not use the Constitution as the basis for your argument and I would certainly not try to misquote it if you want to get people to agree with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rattlesnake 0 Posted March 26, 2008 People who get abortions should get the death penalty. At least you're consistent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted March 26, 2008 Well, I am not sure if you have read the Constitution, but I can assure you that it does not protect "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Those words are from the Declaration of Independence. I think that you might be referring to the 14th Amendment, which states "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". However, that Amendment actually starts with: If you notice, it states that you actually have to be either "born or naturalized" in order to be a citizen. As such, at least Constitutionally, unborn babies are not really covered in your argument. Now, if you want to get into the moral, religious, and ethical areas, feel free, but I would not use the Constitution as the basis for your argument and I would certainly not try to misquote it if you want to get people to agree with you. Good thing my feet are clean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porkbutt 873 Posted March 26, 2008 chalk me up as a fockin' loony toon nutjob. it's the dumbest argument of all time...it's really very simple, abortion is wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,039 Posted March 26, 2008 chalk me up as a fockin' loony toon nutjob. Done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndyTom 0 Posted March 26, 2008 I am a loony nut job as well! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,039 Posted March 26, 2008 I am a loony nut job as well! Also noted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndyTom 0 Posted March 26, 2008 Also noted. Even with a slanted poll - it looks like it may be a photo finish. You should feel proud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted March 26, 2008 I'm pro choice if a woman gets raped. I had to vote pro choice. Every other incident including know retardation, downs syndrome(i think that's how you call it), or disfigurement of body on x-rays does not = death/abortion. This child deserves every chance and every bit of love from the parent. I have two and wouldn't imagine an abortion, no matter what the problem is. Rape on the other hand is totally different in my opinion - - But this is pro choice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,039 Posted March 26, 2008 Even with a slanted poll - it looks like it may be a photo finish. You should feel proud. Its not slanted. Its my MHO that you are a nutjob if you think abortion should not be legal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndyTom 0 Posted March 26, 2008 Its not slanted. Its my MHO that you are a nutjob if you think abortion should not be legal. FWIW - I am still happy your parents made the decision not to abort you. Commence name calling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,039 Posted March 26, 2008 FWIW - I am still happy your parents made the decision not to abort you. Commence name calling. So am I. But it was my mothers decision. I have 3 nieces that I LOVE to death. My youngest is so cute she could be a gerber baby. However if her mom decided to get an abortion I would have supported her 100% because its her choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naomi 350 Posted March 26, 2008 Personally I look at it like since there's another person inside there, the choice isn't just effecting me but effecting that other life. I wouldn't support abortion in the scenerio that becoming pregnant was a simple mistake and it's just inconvenient to raise the kid. It makes sense that someone wouldn't feel that way if they somehow define 'true' life as starting after birth. What kinda gets me about the infringing on personal freedom argument is that most laws that society recognizes infringes on what someone wants to do, someone who wants to steal, wants to kill, and so on. Putting abortion in the same category makes sense if you see a pregnant woman as symbolizing two people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndyTom 0 Posted March 26, 2008 So am I. But it was my mothers decision. I have 3 nieces that I LOVE to death. My youngest is so cute she could be a gerber baby. However if her mom decided to get an abortion I would have supported her 100% because its her choice. I assume since it's completely a woman's choice whether or not to keep a child, than I assume than it's a father's choice as to whether or not he chooses to financially support said baby if the woman decides to give birth? In other words - in your view of the world - does the father have any input whatsoever into the decision? Can't have it both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,039 Posted March 26, 2008 I assume since it's completely a woman's choice whether or not to keep a child, than I assume than it's a father's choice as to whether or not he chooses to financially support said baby if the woman decides to give birth? In other words - in your view of the world - does the father have any input whatsoever into the decision? Not really. Once you deposit your seed into a woman its all up to her. If she decides to abort it you can't do anything and if she decides to keep it you can't do anything except maybe get her to absolve you of any rights to the kid. Like you were a sperm donor. Wrap it up and we won't have this problem. Or beter yet ###### in her mouth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Let Da Big Dog Eat 38 Posted March 26, 2008 Easy question. Easier answer. If a mother is careless enough to get pregnant and cold hearted enough to kill her baby, then she would be a lousy mother. Let her have her abortion, and never be allowed to have another kid. Basically close her twat with cement. The right answer. The world does not need any more mothers who wish their kid never existed. Not to mention non existent fathers. Want an abortion (for reasons other than rape, etc.) fine? We'll tie your tubes at the same time you worthless piece of crap as a woman, a person and a mother. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,475 Posted March 26, 2008 I'm actually anti-abortion but pro-choice. I know that makes me sound like a fence-sitter. Basically, I would never want a woman to have an abortion, and if I was given in a say in it I would argue against it, but ultimately, at the end of the day, it is her choice. I personally don't know if I could live with the choice if it were me, but that isn't my decision to make. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naomi 350 Posted March 26, 2008 The right answer. The world does not need any more mothers who wish their kid never existed. Not to mention non existent fathers. Want an abortion (for reasons other than rape, etc.) fine? We'll tie your tubes at the same time you worthless piece of crap as a woman, a person and a mother. Even though it's probably safe to assume most won't...people do change. Not allowing a second chance is focked up. If you want that, what about mandating that guys that don't want to be fathers and get a woman pregnant get snipped? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MisanthropicAnthropoid 0 Posted March 26, 2008 I say that if we define human life to begin at conception, we don't have to debate about the legality of abortion. It goes away by itself. Obviously, if you disagree with me on when life begins, you'll disagree with this idea, but I think it covers the major sticky points. In the case where the life of the mother may be threatened, it's a medical circumstance in which there are two people who desperately need care--the doctors and family determine who needs it more. In case of rape or incest, I know it sounds trite, but two wrongs don't make a right. Keep the child. Also, people who say that abortion is murder but don't think that the government has the right to restrict it are inconsistent unless they're complete anarchists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites