**Official McCain Speech Post game thread**

[phillybear 366]

Dam, do I have to do everything....

 

Observations from the McCain speech.

 

McCain handled the gate crashers smoothly, like a veteran comedian handling a drunk heckler. I was impressed.

I liked his line about stopping pork barrel spending, and outing the abusers of the process.

I was extremely pleased with the statement that the USA will stop sending money overseas to countries that hate us.

His POW story actually gave me feeling an emotion that rarely surfaces. I almost choked up. Fock, I swear I'm not a softie.

 

Which leads into the final analysis. I watched the Dem and Repub conventions. I saw a lot of speeches, some bad, some good. But to me, the sincerity factor trumps everything. Watching a candidate, and seeing if they are being honest. Obama = Fail. Biden = Fail. Palin = Fail. McCain = I actually believed he was telling the truth. I honestly think he will cut goverment spending. And that is so important right now. While Obama's economic plan seemed childish in understanding, McCain seems to get it. A vote for Obama is another 4 years of Bush: more spending, bigger government. Fock, I hate Bush for his lies.

 

Unbelievably, I am pretty sure I am bailing out on the Libertarians, and try to get to the voting booth to give McCain a vote. I thought I would never do that. I have no idea how anybody can vote for Obama, but I guess this world is a diverse place.

[gocolts 300]

Dam, do I have to do everything....

 

Observations from the McCain speech.

 

McCain handled the gate crashers smoothly, like a veteran comedian handling a drunk heckler. I was impressed.

I liked his line about stopping pork barrel spending, and outing the abusers of the process.

I was extremely pleased with the statement that the USA will stop sending money overseas to countries that hate us.

His POW story actually gave me feeling an emotion that rarely surfaces. I almost choked up. Fock, I swear I'm not a softie.

 

Which leads into the final analysis. I watched the Dem and Repub conventions. I saw a lot of speeches, some bad, some good. But to me, the sincerity factor trumps everything. Watching a candidate, and seeing if they are being honest. Obama = Fail. Biden = Fail. Palin = Fail. McCain = I actually believed he was telling the truth. I honestly think he will cut goverment spending. And that is so important right now. While Obama's economic plan seemed childish in understanding, McCain seems to get it. A vote for Obama is another 4 years of Bush: more spending, bigger government. Fock, I hate Bush for his lies.

 

Unbelievably, I am pretty sure I am bailing out on the Libertarians, and try to get to the voting booth to give McCain a vote. I thought I would never do that. I have no idea how anybody can vote for Obama, but I guess this world is a diverse place.

Best part right there.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Interesting speech.

I thought he threw too many jabs at Obama...should have left it alone a bit after last night with Palin.

I also wanted a bit more policy talk from him...

But I loved the talk that he knows the party focked up big time and lost the public's trust.

I loved the talk of not caring who gets credit and that both parties need to shape up.

[peenie 1,915]

well for me, overall the speech was not very invigorating. it was serene and monotone.

however, the highlight for me is that he acknowledged that there are problems with schools and that he wanted to give parents the option to be able to send their kids to private or charter schools if the public school in their area was not peforming well.

imo, that is one of the best ways to end the cycle of poverty, through education.

i hope if he becomes president he puts that into action somehow.

 

i like mccain, he's just not a dynamic speaker, but his heart is good.

he didn't even attack obama which i thought was cool too.

[GettnHuge 2]

I dun understand how Osama's speech was 'historic' as they keep saying. It was the same old big government,

higher taxes, more spending, more social programs, promises that can't possibly be kept...the only difference

was that they upped the scale with hollywood theatrics.

 

McCain's on the other hand really was historic. What nominee attacks his own party's problems? I've never seen

that before, have you? He threatened to go after those who are wasting tax dollars no matter the party... and yea

he would. 'I don't work for a party, I work for you.' That's historic.

[gocolts 300]

I thought he threw too many jabs at Obama

 

 

he didn't even attack obama which i thought was cool too.

 

[jerryskids 6,779]

McCain's on the other hand really was historic. What nominee attacks his own party's problems? I've never seen

that before, have you? He threatened to go after those who are wasting tax dollars no matter the party... and yea

he would. 'I don't work for a party, I work for you.' That's historic.

I agree that McCain/Palin are trying to take over the "change" message, and that biotch-slapping your own party is somewhat unique. Both are risky. But I think in a good way.

[swamp dog 0]

his pow was told in detail 35 years ago in newsweek. i mean, it's a nice story and all but how the fock does that have anything to do with his ability to create jobs and provide americans health insurance.

 

it doesn't.

 

he's old, lives in the past, and has stale, old ideas. time for him to be put out to pasture.

[Me_2006 14]

his pow was told in detail 35 years ago in newsweek. i mean, it's a nice story and all but how the fock does that have anything to do with his ability to create jobs and provide americans health insurance.

 

it doesn't.

 

he's old, lives in the past, and has stale, old ideas. time for him to be put out to pasture.

did you even watch?

[swamp dog 0]

did you even watch?

 

yes.

 

did you?

 

every point he made was right out of george w's book. to a T.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

I didn't hear much as I was in the car driving home from a dinner out with the family.

 

some of the points I liked....

 

 

1. Judges not creating law from the bench

2. Giving parents choices on where/how to educate kids.

3. Saying the republicans have been screwed up and he wants to go back to gaining Americas trust.

4. How access to failing schools doesn't benefit kids. Creating competition.

 

You could tell even from the radio, he's not a polished public speaker. He seemed to misspeak from his speach a couple of times. Palin was far better. But the points above struck me as far more positive than the bigger government nonsense Obama has been spewing.

[Yer mom 2]

I agree. He is believeable and for a politician seems very sincere and honest with his heart in the right place. I like his agenda as well, hes got my vote.

[BLS 314]

his pow was told in detail 35 years ago in newsweek. i mean, it's a nice story and all but how the fock does that have anything to do with his ability to create jobs and provide americans health insurance.

 

it doesn't.

 

he's old, lives in the past, and has stale, old ideas. time for him to be put out to pasture.

 

 

Hint...it's not the President's job to create jobs and/or provide us with Health Care.

 

Thanks for playing.

[Strike 5,507]

A vote for Obama is another 4 years of Bush: more spending, bigger government. Fock, I hate Bush for his lies.

 

I didn't see McCain's speech, although I plan to watch it online later. I do have a comment about this point though. I'm as PO'ed about the way Bush has created a huge deficit and spent through the roof as anyone but there's a big difference between him and Obama that scares me. Bush cut taxes and then spent a boatload on wars. This is reversible. We're working our way out of Iraq now and hopefully we can minimize our presence in Afghanistan during the next administration. If we make some targeted cuts, etc, we can easily get the deficit under control. But Obama wants to institute programs that you can't simply dismantle when you want to reverse the wasted expenditures. If his health care program gets entrenched we're stuck with it, just like we can't dissolve Social Security now despite it being largely a failure. So, it worries me that Obama could get elected and institute programs such as that that we'd be stuck with going forward.

[GettnHuge 2]

How does a guy who doesn't vote for earmarks, and irritates even his own party on the subject his entire

career mean more spending bigger gov't? I think you'd moreso expect showdowns between a huge spending

dem congress and the veto pen like we did with Bush 41 who stupidly backed down and signed off on tax hikes.

[swamp dog 0]

Hint...it's not the President's job to create jobs and/or provide us with Health Care.

 

Thanks for playing.

 

thanks. people like you and george w are exactly the reason this country is in the shitter and exactly why obama will be in the white house come january. thank YOU for playing.

[swamp dog 0]

I didn't hear much as I was in the car driving home from a dinner out with the family.

 

some of the points I liked....

1. Judges not creating law from the bench

2. Giving parents choices on where/how to educate kids.

3. Saying the republicans have been screwed up and he wants to go back to gaining Americas trust.

4. How access to failing schools doesn't benefit kids. Creating competition.

 

You could tell even from the radio, he's not a polished public speaker. He seemed to misspeak from his speach a couple of times. Palin was far better. But the points above struck me as far more positive than the bigger government nonsense Obama has been spewing.

 

insert george w bush. exact same quotes, exact same mantra.

 

*yawn*

[BLS 314]

thanks. people like you and george w are exactly the reason this country is in the shitter and exactly why obama will be in the white house come january. thank YOU for playing.

 

 

Care to elaborate?

[mobb_deep 920]

Ok, so after listening to all these speeches I've come up with a theory about republicans and repub voters.

 

The Repubs know their voters basically fall into 3 categories:

 

1) The rich. For these people, voting Republican makes sense. Tax cuts, subsidization of industry, and they don't have to worry about the downsides that the 'normal guy' has to worry about (rising healthcare costs, kids being sent off to wars, dropping salaries, unemployment, etc etc) - all that sh!t doesn't really affect them. They vote Republican out of pure self-interest, and honestly, can you blame them?

 

This group also includes people who think it's their destiny to be rich. Most of these people are deluded idiots, but at least their voting decisions are logically based on a single root delusion.

 

2) Fundamentalist Christian crazies. Dangle abortion, gay rights, and any other hot-button social issue in front of them, and they'll follow you anywhere. Declaring war on brown people also gets their cocks hard. It's what Jesus wants.

 

3) This is the most interesting group to me. 'Republicans'.

 

These people aren't rich, aren't necessarily crazy Christians (although there might be substantial overlap), and generally, know full well that the Repubs are corrupt to the core, can't manage money worth a sh!t, and are more or less driving the USA into the gutter. However, the party has done an AMAZING job of convincing them that no matter how bad their governance is, the GOP is 'their' party and not the party of 'those other people' - damned libruls. If you vote Republican you're 'one of us', if you vote Democrat you're 'one of them'. This is what it really comes down to, and it's so overwhelming that no matter what kind of an idiot they put up for President, they'll vote the guy in - sometimes twice!

 

These people vote Republican because they have no other choice. It's based not on any sort of politics or issues, but on personal identity. Voting Democrat would be like kicking their own grandmother out of the house. Sure, grandma may have just kicked in your TV and pissed on the drapes, but she's grandma!

 

God bless grandma, the crazy old bat.

[Rattlesnake 0]

Dam, do I have to do everything....

 

Observations from the McCain speech.

 

McCain handled the gate crashers smoothly, like a veteran comedian handling a drunk heckler. I was impressed.

I liked his line about stopping pork barrel spending, and outing the abusers of the process.

I was extremely pleased with the statement that the USA will stop sending money overseas to countries that hate us.

His POW story actually gave me feeling an emotion that rarely surfaces. I almost choked up. Fock, I swear I'm not a softie.

 

Which leads into the final analysis. I watched the Dem and Repub conventions. I saw a lot of speeches, some bad, some good. But to me, the sincerity factor trumps everything. Watching a candidate, and seeing if they are being honest. Obama = Fail. Biden = Fail. Palin = Fail. McCain = I actually believed he was telling the truth. I honestly think he will cut goverment spending. And that is so important right now. While Obama's economic plan seemed childish in understanding, McCain seems to get it. A vote for Obama is another 4 years of Bush: more spending, bigger government. Fock, I hate Bush for his lies.

 

Unbelievably, I am pretty sure I am bailing out on the Libertarians, and try to get to the voting booth to give McCain a vote. I thought I would never do that. I have no idea how anybody can vote for Obama, but I guess this world is a diverse place.

 

Two things that tell me all I need to know and remove any credibility that you may have had..........

 

1 - a convention speech made up your mind about a candidate. Good God, man, they've only been campaigning for a year and a half. I've always wondered who these people are that can't make up their mind and then do so at the last minute, and how that's humanly possible. Nice to meet you.

 

2 - you may not like Obama, and that's fine. But to align him with Bush is possibly the most ignorant thing I've read here, which is saying a lot.

[Rattlesnake 0]

well for me, overall the speech was not very invigorating. it was serene and monotone.

however, the highlight for me is that he acknowledged that there are problems with schools and that he wanted to give parents the option to be able to send their kids to private or charter schools if the public school in their area was not peforming well.

imo, that is one of the best ways to end the cycle of poverty, through education.

i hope if he becomes president he puts that into action somehow.

 

i like mccain, he's just not a dynamic speaker, but his heart is good.

he didn't even attack obama which i thought was cool too.

 

So, if I have students that never do their homework and don't take school seriously at all, can I petition to have them either moved out of my classroom........or get them a new set of parents?

 

Just following the logic.....

[phillybear 366]

Two things that tell me all I need to know and remove any credibility that you may have had..........

 

1 - a convention speech made up your mind about a candidate. Good God, man, they've only been campaigning for a year and a half. I've always wondered who these people are that can't make up their mind and then do so at the last minute, and how that's humanly possible. Nice to meet you.

 

2 - you may not like Obama, and that's fine. But to align him with Bush is possibly the most ignorant thing I've read here, which is saying a lot.

 

Wow, are you naive. But I guess that's why you are a Obama d!ck slurper. You'll believe anything.

 

I had credibility? When did that happen?

 

Yes, Obama is the candidate most like Bush. Deal with it, cupcake.

[kpbuckeye 3]

insert george w bush. exact same quotes, exact same mantra.

 

*yawn*

 

so the speech was as boring as your posts.

what kind of idiot votes based on a speech?

you I guess.

*yawn*

[NewbieJr 541]

So, if McCain is suddenly talking about 'change' and how he's going to make things different in Washington, he is doing one of two things....

 

 

He is either flip-flopping, since he has voted with Bush over 90% of the time in the past, or he is out and out lying to try to distance himself from an undisputed unpopular President.

 

Which is it?

[pingpong 0]

imo, that is one of the best ways to end the cycle of poverty, through education.

i hope if he becomes president he puts that into action somehow.

This is something that has been said for years, but can never be changed through the government. I believe that you could place Harvard in a poor neighborhood, and it would make not one iota of a difference. The culture of placing value on education is what needs to change. If a child does not have parents willing to participate in educating their child, and not even willing to pay attention to their education, the child is doomed to fail. Correct the attitudes of the parents, and all of a sudden, the terrible inner-city school starts to improve ten fold.

[Isotopes 1]

So, if I have students that never do their homework and don't take school seriously at all, can I petition to have them either moved out of my classroom........or get them a new set of parents?

 

Just following the logic.....

 

The kids aren't paid to be there, the teachers are. I am a big fan of the whole voucher program. It is working overseas and I think competition would be good for our schools.

[GettnHuge 2]

So, if McCain is suddenly talking about 'change' and how he's going to make things different in Washington, he is doing one of two things....

He is either flip-flopping, since he has voted with Bush over 90% of the time in the past, or he is out and out lying to try to distance himself from an undisputed unpopular President.

 

Which is it?

 

didn't this get shot full of holes already?

[Isotopes 1]

This is something that has been said for years, but can never be changed through the government. I believe that you could place Harvard in a poor neighborhood, and it would make not one iota of a difference. The culture of placing value on education is what needs to change. If a child does not have parents willing to participate in educating their child, and not even willing to pay attention to their education, the child is doomed to fail. Correct the attitudes of the parents, and all of a sudden, the terrible inner-city school starts to improve ten fold.

 

A voucher program should improve the quality of all schools not just inner city. I agree with you though that there are some people that cannot be helped because they do not care but there are some in the inner city who do care but do not have access to quality education. This would give them an opportunity to pick their school instead of being sent to whatever public school they are closest to.

[Isotopes 1]

didn't this get shot full of holes already?

 

Where did this get shot full of holes? I would like to see it. I am not being an ass, I would really like to see it. I haven't really seen where anyone disputed McCain voting with Bush.

[Sho Nuff 720]

yes.

 

did you?

 

every point he made was right out of george w's book. to a T.

 

None of what he said had anything to do with W.

I don't think you watched the same speech...sounds as if your mind was made up about it before he walked up to the podium.

[Sho Nuff 720]

insert george w bush. exact same quotes, exact same mantra.

 

*yawn*

 

The yawn comes from this ignorant tactic that anything he said last night has anything to do with Bush.

Keep repeating the crap...you only make yourself look foolish.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ok, so after listening to all these speeches I've come up with a theory about republicans and repub voters.

 

The Repubs know their voters basically fall into 3 categories:

 

1) The rich. For these people, voting Republican makes sense. Tax cuts, subsidization of industry, and they don't have to worry about the downsides that the 'normal guy' has to worry about (rising healthcare costs, kids being sent off to wars, dropping salaries, unemployment, etc etc) - all that sh!t doesn't really affect them. They vote Republican out of pure self-interest, and honestly, can you blame them?

 

This group also includes people who think it's their destiny to be rich. Most of these people are deluded idiots, but at least their voting decisions are logically based on a single root delusion.

 

2) Fundamentalist Christian crazies. Dangle abortion, gay rights, and any other hot-button social issue in front of them, and they'll follow you anywhere. Declaring war on brown people also gets their cocks hard. It's what Jesus wants.

 

3) This is the most interesting group to me. 'Republicans'.

 

These people aren't rich, aren't necessarily crazy Christians (although there might be substantial overlap), and generally, know full well that the Repubs are corrupt to the core, can't manage money worth a sh!t, and are more or less driving the USA into the gutter. However, the party has done an AMAZING job of convincing them that no matter how bad their governance is, the GOP is 'their' party and not the party of 'those other people' - damned libruls. If you vote Republican you're 'one of us', if you vote Democrat you're 'one of them'. This is what it really comes down to, and it's so overwhelming that no matter what kind of an idiot they put up for President, they'll vote the guy in - sometimes twice!

 

These people vote Republican because they have no other choice. It's based not on any sort of politics or issues, but on personal identity. Voting Democrat would be like kicking their own grandmother out of the house. Sure, grandma may have just kicked in your TV and pissed on the drapes, but she's grandma!

 

God bless grandma, the crazy old bat.

 

As usual, you show you have no freakin clue about anything outside your own little circle.

[Sho Nuff 720]

So, if McCain is suddenly talking about 'change' and how he's going to make things different in Washington, he is doing one of two things....

He is either flip-flopping, since he has voted with Bush over 90% of the time in the past, or he is out and out lying to try to distance himself from an undisputed unpopular President.

 

Which is it?

 

How does one vote "with Bush" when the President does not get votes?

[surferskin 30]

How does one vote "with Bush" when the President does not get votes?

This should be good.

[NewbieJr 541]

didn't this get shot full of holes already?

Link?

 

Or is that just a generic reply that Republicans make when they can't avoid the obvious similarities between McCain and Bush?

[edjr 6,580]

What a stuttering fool he looked like.

 

did he not read the speech before he went on stage?

 

I still don't trust McCain at all.

 

6 weeks ago against drilling, now he's for it?

[edjr 6,580]

So, if McCain is suddenly talking about 'change' and how he's going to make things different in Washington, he is doing one of two things....

He is either flip-flopping, since he has voted with Bush over 90% of the time in the past, or he is out and out lying to try to distance himself from an undisputed unpopular President.

 

Which is it?

 

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

This should be good.

 

It was a joke.

Yes...he votes along with the president's position.

It was at a low of around 77% in 2005...as high as 95% this past year (quick, someone figure out why a guy would vote in line with his party so much when running a campaign).

[Recliner Pilot 61]

his pow was told in detail 35 years ago in newsweek. i mean, it's a nice story and all but how the fock does that have anything to do with his ability to create jobs and provide americans health insurance.

 

it doesn't.

 

he's old, lives in the past, and has stale, old ideas. time for him to be put out to pasture.

 

The private sector creates jobs, the gubmint just needs to get the fock out of the way. He made that point.

 

 

And where does it say its up to the President, or gubmint, to "provide american's health insurance"?

[surferskin 30]

It was a joke.

Yes...he votes along with the president's position.

It was at a low of around 77% in 2005...as high as 95% this past year (quick, someone figure out why a guy would vote in line with his party so much when running a campaign).

Wasn't it also true that Obama voted with McCain something like 85% of the time or something too?