dksmith17380 0 Posted November 16, 2008 I somehow got in a league with league vote deciding veto and the commish is involved in a trade and he will not reverse a trade that went through vote(largely because no one voted). So we agreed to take it to this board to decide the fate. VETO OR NOT? Your comments are encouraged. THANX Player A is 2-8 and eliminated from playoffs. Player B is 7-3 overall 3rd. Also player A has Garcia as his other QB. NON KEEPER PLAYER A GETS: Bo Scaife (Ten - TE) Donnie Avery (StL - WR) Brandon Stokley (Den - WR) David Garrard (Jac - QB) Kirk Morrison (Oak - DL) PLAYER B GETS Peyton Manning (Ind - QB) Roy Williams (Dal - WR) Jason WittenP (Dal - TE) DeMarcus Ware (Dal - DL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius 0 Posted November 16, 2008 Why allow teams that are eliminated from the playoffs to trade? This appears to me to be an attempt to play kingmaker. I know that people are all freakin' anti-veto, but it appears to me your rules are set up wrong. How skewed the trade is: relative to scoring. But if I'm the Commish, I quash it, likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turf CamelToe 1 Posted November 16, 2008 Player B is raping player A, however IMHO a trade should not be vetoed unless collusion suspected. My Vote is for the trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lsk6453 0 Posted November 16, 2008 I somehow got in a league with league vote deciding veto and the commish is involved in a trade and he will not reverse a trade that went through vote(largely because no one voted). So we agreed to take it to this board to decide the fate. VETO OR NOT? Your comments are encouraged. THANX Player A is 2-8 and eliminated from playoffs. Player B is 7-3 overall 3rd. Also player A has Garcia as his other QB. NON KEEPER PLAYER A GETS: Bo Scaife (Ten - TE) Donnie Avery (StL - WR) Brandon Stokley (Den - WR) David Garrard (Jac - QB) Kirk Morrison (Oak - DL) PLAYER B GETS Peyton Manning (Ind - QB) Roy Williams (Dal - WR) Jason WittenP (Dal - TE) DeMarcus Ware (Dal - DL I say not. Roy Williams is still learning the Offense, Witten has a broken Rib..No obvious collusion. Trades should never be vetoed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted November 16, 2008 I somehow got in a league with league vote deciding veto and the commish is involved in a trade and he will not reverse a trade that went through vote(largely because no one voted). So we agreed to take it to this board to decide the fate. VETO OR NOT? Your comments are encouraged. THANX Player A is 2-8 and eliminated from playoffs. Player B is 7-3 overall 3rd. Also player A has Garcia as his other QB. NON KEEPER PLAYER A GETS: Bo Scaife (Ten - TE) Donnie Avery (StL - WR) Brandon Stokley (Den - WR) David Garrard (Jac - QB) Kirk Morrison (Oak - DL) PLAYER B GETS Peyton Manning (Ind - QB) Roy Williams (Dal - WR) Jason WittenP (Dal - TE) DeMarcus Ware (Dal - DL Why are you still trading in week 11? Collusion! I would not play FF with either of these guys ever again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted November 16, 2008 Player B is raping player A, however IMHO a trade should not be vetoed unless collusion suspected. My Vote is for the trade. Unless there are other incentives a player eliminated from the playoffs in a non keeper has absolutely no reason to trade and this becomes a case of collusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Deal 0 Posted November 16, 2008 Unless there are other incentives a player eliminated from the playoffs in a non keeper has absolutely no reason to trade and this becomes a case of collusion. This is the correct answer. Case closed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookieG 4 Posted November 16, 2008 I know FF boards are mighty anti-veto (this one being no exception).. this trade comes too late (2-8 ??) and is clearly an attempt tp get a contending team Payton Manning. Even in a keeper, this deal stinks to high heaven. I vote for the VETO in this case. Good luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nomad99 429 Posted November 16, 2008 This is the correct answer. Case closed. Ditto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 518 Posted November 16, 2008 Veto this crap. Also this should have been a poll...would have been easier on you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,596 Posted November 16, 2008 I do not believe in vetoing, but i would veto that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madd futher mucker 36 Posted November 16, 2008 I can't tell from this if this is a) collusion, b stupidity, or c) a desperation effort on the part of the non-contending team to get more depth and try to be competitive the rest of the way. I'm guessing a little of b and c. If you guys are so dumb as to allow league voting this late in the season, this is your result - so live with it. Next year establish some common sense rules like an end of October trade deadline that avoids this crap. No veto here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dksmith17380 0 Posted November 16, 2008 The commish is wishing me to clarify how the points are setup(this is anything but normal I would suggest you to read them it is very QB heavy): Also, the commish is not directly involved with this trade. He is involved with a seperate trade with the party eliminated from the playoffs. Commish gets: Dallas Clark TE Ind Eliminated player gets: Greg Olsen TE chi Completions (1) Passing Yards (10 yards per point; 10 points at 300 yards) Passing Touchdowns (6) Interceptions (-2) Rushing Yards (10 yards per point; 10 points at 130 yards) Rushing Touchdowns (6) Receptions (1) Reception Yards (20 yards per point; 10 points at 130 yards) Reception Touchdowns (6) Return Touchdowns (7) 2-Point Conversions (2) Fumbles (-1) Fumbles Lost (-2) Offensive Fumble Return TD (6) Field Goals 0-19 Yards (2) Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3) Field Goals 30-39 Yards (4) Field Goals 40-49 Yards (5) Field Goals 50+ Yards (7) Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-5) Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-3) Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (-1) Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (-.25) Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards (0) Point After Attempt Made (1) Sack (1) Interception (2) Fumble Recovery (2) Touchdown (8) Safety (2) Block Kick (2) Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (6) Points Allowed 0 points (12) Points Allowed 1-6 points (10) Points Allowed 7-13 points (7) Points Allowed 14-20 points (3) Points Allowed 21-27 points (1) Points Allowed 28-34 points (.5) Points Allowed 35+ points (-6) Tackle Solo (2) Sack (3) Interception (2) Fumble Force (2) Fumble Recovery (2) Touchdown (6) Safety (2) Pass Defended (1) Block Kick (2) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 364 Posted November 16, 2008 I am of the mind set that there is a need for more cheating in fantasy football; creative cheating = more gooder. Unfortunately, there is no cheating here. No veto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chad32676 0 Posted November 16, 2008 I can't tell from this if this is a) collusion, b stupidity, or c) a desperation effort on the part of the non-contending team to get more depth and try to be competitive the rest of the way. I'm guessing a little of b and c. If you guys are so dumb as to allow league voting this late in the season, this is your result - so live with it. Next year establish some common sense rules like an end of October trade deadline that avoids this crap. No veto here. Eliminated teams should not be able to trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dksmith17380 0 Posted November 16, 2008 one more note: the commish is 9-1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted November 16, 2008 Agree with the opinion this trade is pretty blatent in a non-keeper league. Veto it and boot the 2-8 team out of the league while giving a warning to the 7-3 team not to try this sh!t again. Good luck and elect a new commish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Money 4 Posted November 16, 2008 Team B should be arrested for rape! Did he use K Y jelly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joefry 0 Posted November 16, 2008 More info is needed here. Are these two dudes related or good friends? I would consider kicking both of thee guys out next year. Especially now in light of the fact that passing tds are 6 pts. Indy's playoff schedule is one of the best there is, it is clear that these two are trying to split the pot unless there is a really good explanation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McPaul 0 Posted November 16, 2008 Rough trade. No veto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted November 16, 2008 Your commish is a focking d1ck. And if he is reading this I hope he dies of AIDS And you are a focking candyass to bring this to a message bored. Go ask your mommy for help you fockingpussy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookieG 4 Posted November 16, 2008 Can the teams giving up Manning and in the other case Dallas Clark, even make a plausible explanation for how this helps their teams in a redraft? Trades this late are under a lot more scrutiny.. it's just the way it is after week 10-11. They both sound like total BS to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steelers2101 7 Posted November 16, 2008 After looking at your points settings it appears Peyton Manning is an absolute beast. All those players for him alone would be collusive. Roy Williams and Witten thrown in makes it ridiculous. Also, Dallas Clark for Olsen is more evidence that your commish is a cheat. Veto! And I'm a huge anti-veto commish, but this is ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_duderino 0 Posted November 16, 2008 It never ceases to amaze me at how everyone thinks they know everything and who or who is not getting ripped off. the trade looks fine. There could be many reasons why team A or B made this deal. Just because a team is 2-8 doesn't mean they don't get to continue to play the games. No way this shouldn't go through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmbryant09 1 Posted November 16, 2008 I say not. Roy Williams is still learning the Offense, Witten has a broken Rib..No obvious collusion. Trades should never be vetoed Okay, take out those 2 (even though with Romo back their value goes way up) and Player B is still getting a likely top3 QB from here on out....for who??? David Garrard (not a starter) and Donnie Avery (flex spot WR) - so how is this not collusion??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pimptastic69 0 Posted November 16, 2008 Why is Peyton Manning such a big deal? He's ranked #7 in my league and Gerard is #11. And it's not like Roy Williams and Jason Witten are tearing it up like years past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steelers2101 7 Posted November 16, 2008 Completions (1) Passing Yards (10 yards per point; 10 points at 300 yards) Passing Touchdowns (6) This is why Peyton is a big deal. his trade is ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pimptastic69 0 Posted November 16, 2008 This is why Peyton is a big deal. his trade is ridiculous. Every other QB in the league plays with the same set of rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BiPolarBear 476 Posted November 16, 2008 Veto the stinking trade already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mista-j 2 Posted November 16, 2008 no veto i have read the posts and still we have no feel for the league. there has to be a reasoneach team made the trade. is there money involved? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicewolf64 0 Posted November 16, 2008 i usually vote no veto, but neither of these trades helps the bad team. these smell too much to be allowed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pimptastic69 0 Posted November 16, 2008 It doesn't matter if both teams are helped or not. Unless you have verifiable proof that both teams are cheating, don't veto the trade. Manning could break his leg this week. Witten might break more ribs. Scaife could go on a tear with 6 TD's over the next 2 weeks. You don't know what these players will do in the next few weeks. I flat out ridiculed a guy in my league for dropping Carson Palmer and picking up Steve Slaton early in the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phan420 0 Posted November 16, 2008 NO VETO end this thread already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites