The Moz 69 Posted January 12, 2009 All this guy does is win 2 NFL MVP's ( should have won a 3rd this season ) , several seasons with crazy passing numbers , and a 7-2 playoff record so he doesn't crumble in the playoffs either. Okay his focking wife is about as attractive as Rossy O'Donnel but what else is the beef against this guy?? I think even if the Cards won a Superbowl he wouldn't even be a slam dunk HOFer. People seem to focus on - oh he had great WR's or OH he was in a great system. Questions - how many other QB's have solid wides and stink it up , Did anyone ever perform in Martz's system nearly as well as Warner? aside from Bulger for maybe 1 season - even that wasn't on Warner's level. Just wonderign what this guy has to do to earn respect as one of the best at least 20 - 25 QB's to ever play the game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yostevo 0 Posted January 12, 2009 He's a great story and I have a lot of respect for his perseverance and talent. However, we can't forget that he also went through a major tailspin/downtime in St.Louis, NY and yes in Arizona where he was a turnover/sack production line before he got his act back together again in the middle of last year. If he wins another SB, I think he's a lock for the HOF but I do think there's some that will say his career might have had a few too many peaks and valleys. I'm not one of them though. I'm just playing the debil's advocate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berven 0 Posted January 12, 2009 Warner's been my favorite player for years. He has indeed had a career of dramatic highs and lows, but he has maintained his gracious manner throughout. Warner's greatest attribute as a QB is the ability to make quick decisions and zip it out of there under pressure. He's not a playmaker like Favre or Big Ben; he doesn't have that kind of mobility; he's more like a Dan Fouts. In order for Warner to be successful, he needs confidence in a) himself and his decisions, and in the ability of his receivers to get to the open spot. I think he lost some confidence in St Louis after developing a case of the fumbles, and he didn't recover that confidence under Coughlin's tight, "no mistakes" regime. He got his mojo back when given a freer rein in AZ. Not only that, he has WRs who are the equals of Holt and Bruce during the Rams' glory years. He knows that they're likely to come down with a catchable ball. Warner has HOF credentials except for marginal career stats. He came into his own at an advanced age, unlike a Big Ben who has several years under his belt at age 26. If Warner plays another year or two, his lifetime totals will satisfy the HOF voters. He hasn't been a guy who could carry a team in the way a Favre or Unitas could, but you could say the same of many QBs already in the Hall. I don't think Warner is really disrespected. Journalists and fans just don't trust him reflexively, because he is prone to ups and downs. If Warner can manage to win the Super Bowl and cop another MVP, he might consider taking a leaf from Favre's playbook and spend all winter mulling over a retirement decison, maybe even calling press conferences to announce that he hasn't decided yet. That should get him some additonal attention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted January 12, 2009 Just wonderign what this guy has to do to earn respect as one of the best at least 20 - 25 QB's to ever play the game? Beat that Philly defense and then follow it up with a win versus either that Baltimore or Pittsburgh defense. That's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 84 29 Posted January 12, 2009 Warner is the man! He should be getting more respect. One he replaced Leinart, he took the Cards to another level. He has issues holding on to the ball, but he finds a way to win. 2 MVP's and should have had a 3rd. I hope he wins it and gets his due! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taxicab823 0 Posted January 12, 2009 kurt is my hero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yostevo 0 Posted January 12, 2009 kurt is my hero You must bag groceries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 12, 2009 Kurt is in the right place at the right time once again. How can you have a bad year as a QB when you are throwing to Fitz and Boldin? Seriously, the man throws up a Hail Mary and Fitz comes down with it while triple covered, and that is a reason for me to respect him? Kurt had a great year and a great team when he won the SB with the Rams... He then had a bunch of crappy years on average teams in which he and Brenda complained about his hand hurting all the time... And not he is having a great year on a great offensive team... Right place... right time... He is far to inconsistent through out his career to put him in the elite class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taxicab823 0 Posted January 12, 2009 Kurt is in the right place at the right time once again. How can you have a bad year as a QB when you are throwing to Fitz and Boldin? Seriously, the man throws up a Hail Mary and Fitz comes down with it while triple covered, and that is a reason for me to respect him? Kurt had a great year and a great team when he won the SB with the Rams... He then had a bunch of crappy years on average teams in which he and Brenda complained about his hand hurting all the time... And not he is having a great year on a great offensive team... Right place... right time... He is far to inconsistent through out his career to put him in the elite class. leinart couldn't do it when he had fitz and boldin. only kurt can lead the cards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted January 12, 2009 Kurt is in the right place at the right time once again. How can you have a bad year as a QB when you are throwing to Fitz and Boldin? Seriously, the man throws up a Hail Mary and Fitz comes down with it while triple covered, and that is a reason for me to respect him? Kurt had a great year and a great team when he won the SB with the Rams... He then had a bunch of crappy years on average teams in which he and Brenda complained about his hand hurting all the time... And not he is having a great year on a great offensive team... Right place... right time... He is far to inconsistent through out his career to put him in the elite class. The Giants had him on a VERY short leash. They wanted their #1 pick (Eli) to become the starter and thus they replaced Warner at the first sign of trouble. He could have resurrected his career earlier under different circumstances. The Fouts analogy is perfect. Warner is a modern-day Dan Fouts. Give him time and he can put the ball right where it needs to be. He's about as accurate as they come. The Fitz catch in double coverage on Saturday was all about Fitz to be sure, but Warner made a number of other good throws vs. Carolina and against Atlanta as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stewburtx8 67 Posted January 12, 2009 Kurt is in the right place at the right time once again. How can you have a bad year as a QB when you are throwing to Fitz and Boldin? Seriously, the man throws up a Hail Mary and Fitz comes down with it while triple covered, and that is a reason for me to respect him? Kurt had a great year and a great team when he won the SB with the Rams... He then had a bunch of crappy years on average teams in which he and Brenda complained about his hand hurting all the time... And not he is having a great year on a great offensive team... Right place... right time... He is far to inconsistent through out his career to put him in the elite class. This is very much what i said in the "best QB's left in the playoffs" thread..... Let me start by saying Kurt Warner is good player. But hasn't he basically struck gold as far as the teams he has landed on? This guy has to be one of the biggest beneficiary of playmakers and coaching around him there has been in NFL history. First he is on a Rams team, "the Greatest Show on Turf," playing in a Mike Martz offense with two top 10 WR's at the time in Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce. Not only that, but he has maybe the best combination RB/WR in NFL history in Marshall Faulk. Now he lands on an up and coming Arizona team and again has two top 10 (and in this case maybe top 5) WR's in the NFL in Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin to throw to. Couldn't any above average QB thrive in either of these situations? Not to mention they both play in the NFC West, which has been one of the worst divisions in football since the Niners heyday. Also they both play in very warm weather or domed stadiums. Look at his time in between the Greatest Show on Turf and his renaissance in Arizona and you will see Kurt Warner was a very average and often inconsistent QB. I'm just saying...it's very hard for me to proclaim this guy as the best QB left in the playoffs. He was a guy who couldn't make it in the NFL at first and played in the arena league and then landed in two very ideal situations in the NFL throwing the ball to some of the best playmakers in the game at the time. He is very good at delivering the ball quick and timely as long as he isn't pressured. Again...he's a good NFL QB, maybe very good, I just have a tough time putting him in an elite class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stewburtx8 67 Posted January 12, 2009 And for the record, I like Kurt Warner. He's the every man who found a way to make it. Seems like one of the good guys in the NFL. Just stating my opinions on his career and why people may not give him complete respect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 12, 2009 leinart couldn't do it when he had fitz and boldin. only kurt can lead the cards. I never said anyone can be successful in those systems. You need some level of competence to be successful in any situation. Leinart obviously is not ready for prime time yet. Kurt has the bare minimums required... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted January 12, 2009 If you get the right offensive cast around him and he can beat anybody. Assuming they won't win it all this year (and that's far from a given) I'd like to see one more good season out of him before calling him a HOF er. It's awesome to see him get redemption at the end of his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 12, 2009 If you get the right offensive cast around him and he can beat anybody. Assuming they won't win it all this year (and that's far from a given) I'd like to see one more good season out of him before calling him a HOF er. It's awesome to see him get redemption at the end of his career. Warner a Hall of Famer? Highly doubtful... Even with one more good year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Hood 9 Posted January 12, 2009 The Giants had him on a VERY short leash. They wanted their #1 pick (Eli) to become the starter and thus they replaced Warner at the first sign of trouble. He could have resurrected his career earlier under different circumstances. The Fouts analogy is perfect. Warner is a modern-day Dan Fouts. Give him time and he can put the ball right where it needs to be. He's about as accurate as they come. The Fitz catch in double coverage on Saturday was all about Fitz to be sure, but Warner made a number of other good throws vs. Carolina and against Atlanta as well. Yeah.......while he wasn't great his one year in NY he was 5-4 when he was benched and the Giants were the 2nd wildcard team at the time. Rams got in at 8-8 that year so they could have maybe gotten in. He was terrible in STL in 2002 but he did only start 6 games and then 1 game in 2003 where he played really good. So not sure where all these "crappy" down years people think he had are. Couple bad for sure but I also think he was covering up that rumored thumb injury for whatever reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted January 12, 2009 Kurt has the bare minimums required... Please. Bare minimums? We can agree to disagree on how good he is, but that's a stretch. He deserves much better than that statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted January 12, 2009 Kurt Warner in 11 seasons: 27,163 yards. 172 TD's. - And counting. Moreoever, Warner has: Highest Completion Percentage, Career (Min. 1500 attempts) - 65.75%[8] Highest Average Passing Yards Per Game, Career (Min. 100 games) - 261.2 yards/game[9] Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl - 414 yards vs. Tennessee Titans (only QB to pass for 400+ yards in the Super Bowl; also owns 2nd highest yardage total in Super Bowl with 365 against the New England Patriots)[10] Highest Rate of Games w/300+ Yards Passing (Min. 100 games played) - 45.2% (47/104)[11] Most Consecutive Games w/300+ Yards Passing - 6 (tied w/Steve Young and Rich Gannon[12] Most Games with a Perfect Passer Rating, Career (regular season only) - 3 (tied w/Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger)[13] Warner has five years where's he's passed for over 3,000 yards and 20+ TD's. Two of those years he only started 11 games - and STILL put up those numbers. The dude holds some pretty impressive statistics. Does he have Moon, Elway numbers? No. But the above is worth of respect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 753 Posted January 13, 2009 Warner's been my favorite player for years. He has indeed had a career of dramatic highs and lows, but he has maintained his gracious manner throughout. Warner's greatest attribute as a QB is the ability to make quick decisions and zip it out of there under pressure. He's not a playmaker like Favre or Big Ben; he doesn't have that kind of mobility; he's more like a Dan Fouts. In order for Warner to be successful, he needs confidence in a) himself and his decisions, and in the ability of his receivers to get to the open spot. I think he lost some confidence in St Louis after developing a case of the fumbles, and he didn't recover that confidence under Coughlin's tight, "no mistakes" regime. He got his mojo back when given a freer rein in AZ. Not only that, he has WRs who are the equals of Holt and Bruce during the Rams' glory years. He knows that they're likely to come down with a catchable ball. Warner has HOF credentials except for marginal career stats. He came into his own at an advanced age, unlike a Big Ben who has several years under his belt at age 26. If Warner plays another year or two, his lifetime totals will satisfy the HOF voters. He hasn't been a guy who could carry a team in the way a Favre or Unitas could, but you could say the same of many QBs already in the Hall. I don't think Warner is really disrespected. Journalists and fans just don't trust him reflexively, because he is prone to ups and downs. If Warner can manage to win the Super Bowl and cop another MVP, he might consider taking a leaf from Favre's playbook and spend all winter mulling over a retirement decison, maybe even calling press conferences to announce that he hasn't decided yet. That should get him some additonal attention. You forgot one thing. Warner needs a solid O-Line to be successful. because he cant scramble and because of his concussion issues in the past, he needs this. This was part of the reason his career went in the toilet for a couple of years. Poor O-Line. I give him full credit. I didnt think Arizona had the talent to make it this far in the playoffs this year, but Warner has taken the team on his back and made it happen. Cudos to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted January 13, 2009 Warner a Hall of Famer? Highly doubtful... Even with one more good year. I think you'll be surprised when it's all said and done. It's amazing how we dissect athletes, their performance and, ultimately, their legacy. Post incredible individual numbers, and the caveat becomes championships. Lead teams to championships and the focus becomes stats. Every good team has good players. Championship teams seem to have more good players, or at least more players having good years, than the rest. Several posts here want to diminish Warner because he's throwing to Fitz and Boldin. How many games did those guys win before he got to Az? For that matter, how many did Bruce and Holt win after he left St L? Warner's career is likely to be shorter due to his late start than many HOFers. As previously noted, the NY situation was set up for him to lose. The brass wanted Eli, and Eli it was going to be. He walked into the same situation in AZ, but has so outperformed Leinart that it's a non-issue: until they lose or next training camp begins. I'm a lifelong Philly fan, and believe they'll take the Cards. Warner has caused me a fair share of agita over the years. But the guy's numbers show that, when put in a position to succeed, he does so with flying colors. The same can be said about all the greats, most of whom staggered significantly at times throughout their careers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted January 13, 2009 The other "coincidence" between Kurt Warner w/ St. Louis and w/ Arizona now is Kurt Warner. Those teams were both in the cellar before he arrived. The Rams were the greatest show on turf in large part BECAUSE of Warner (not despite him). Warner outplayed Tom Brady the 2nd half of 2007 that is the year that Tom Brady set the QB all time record for TD passes. Warner did it again this year putting up huge numbers and leading his team to the brink of the superbowl and maybe beyond. In St. Louis he played at a level the same or above Favre, Montana, Young, Elway, Marino in their best season. Go back and look at every year played for the last 10 or so HOF QBs, they had some down years too. Kurt Warner, when in the starting lineup has been great more often than not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted January 13, 2009 Kurt has the bare minimums required... wow ... Either you never watched him throw the ball , a total idiot , or plain ignorant. You can argue that he is HOF worthy or not or even if he deserves top 5-10 consideration - but to say he is barely able to be NFL QB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 13, 2009 wow ... Either you never watched him throw the ball , a total idiot , or plain ignorant. You can argue that he is HOF worthy or not or even if he deserves top 5-10 consideration - but to say he is barely able to be NFL QB You are putting words in my mouth. I said he has the bare minimum requirements to be successful in that environment. He is not all that different from Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rippen, etc... The only major difference is that he may be doing it with two different teams. Warner has proven that he cannot carry a team and that he needs a great supporting cast around him, but he has also proven that he is a safe play in the right situation. And he does not deserve a top 5 consideration... On most teams, he would not be putting up those numbers. Top 10 for this year... sure, but if I were building a team today, he would not be on that list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yostevo 0 Posted January 13, 2009 You are putting words in my mouth. I said he has the bare minimum requirements to be successful in that environment. He is not all that different from Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rippen, etc... The only major difference is that he may be doing it with two different teams. Warner has proven that he cannot carry a team and that he needs a great supporting cast around him, but he has also proven that he is a safe play in the right situation. And he does not deserve a top 5 consideration... On most teams, he would not be putting up those numbers. Top 10 for this year... sure, but if I were building a team today, he would not be on that list. I respect your stance but I think you are totally missing the boat on Warner. The guys you listed "managed" football games in order to win. They made first downs and limited their mistakes to allow the rest of their team to win the game. That is hardly the case with Warner. He's an absolute difference maker. He reads the defenses with the best of them and that's how you complete lengthy passes consistently. He's got every throw in the game in his arsenal and with superior accuracy. You don't throw for 300+ yards with such regularity and not be WAY more talented then the stiffs you mention. A case can be made that Bruce,Holt,Fitz,Boldin all owe Kurt for making their jobs easier and not the other way around as you seem to suggest. They ALL got better when he arrived. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted January 13, 2009 He loses points for that gargoyle he married. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 13, 2009 I respect your stance but I think you are totally missing the boat on Warner. The guys you listed "managed" football games in order to win. They made first downs and limited their mistakes to allow the rest of their team to win the game. That is hardly the case with Warner. He's an absolute difference maker. He reads the defenses with the best of them and that's how you complete lengthy passes consistently. He's got every throw in the game in his arsenal and with superior accuracy. You don't throw for 300+ yards with such regularity and not be WAY more talented then the stiffs you mention. A case can be made that Bruce,Holt,Fitz,Boldin all owe Kurt for making their jobs easier and not the other way around as you seem to suggest. They ALL got better when he arrived. A) Fitz and Boldin - barring injuries - have always been studs, not matter who was throwing them the ball. To say Warner is making Fitz or Boldin better is just giving him too much credit. The phenom talent on that team is at WR not QB. Warner had 3 good years at STL... Followed by 2 very bad years at STL (4TDs combined)... Followed by a subpar year in NY... A subpar year in ARI... and then 2 more good years in ARI. Yes he has managed football games to win, but he is 50/50 (not counting his rookie year) as far as being good or being bad at the position. Warner is just an average QB in an excellent situation. Again... If I were starting a team from scratch... he would not be in my top 10 regardless of if it were to be now or in his prime (whenever that was). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted January 13, 2009 Kurt is in the right place at the right time once again. How can you have a bad year as a QB when you are throwing to Fitz and Boldin? Seriously, the man throws up a Hail Mary and Fitz comes down with it while triple covered, and that is a reason for me to respect him? Kurt had a great year and a great team when he won the SB with the Rams... He then had a bunch of crappy years on average teams in which he and Brenda complained about his hand hurting all the time... And not he is having a great year on a great offensive team... Right place... right time... He is far to inconsistent through out his career to put him in the elite class. Clearly, you have NEVER played sports at a high level! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted January 13, 2009 Warner is just an average QB in an excellent situation. That's crazy. Did you not see the stats that someone posted...such as him being the all-time leader in 300-yard games per start and being the all-time leader in accuracy. Teams don't carry the guy. He leads them. I don't mean to discount what you're saying, but you're just plain wrong on this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stewburtx8 67 Posted January 13, 2009 That's crazy. Did you not see the stats that someone posted...such as him being the all-time leader in 300-yard games per start and being the all-time leader in accuracy. Teams don't carry the guy. He leads them. I don't mean to discount what you're saying, but you're just plain wrong on this one. Graham Harrell led the nation in passing yards. Was he the best QB in the nation? Timmy Chang led the nation in passing yards a couple times too, was he considered a top 10 QB in the nation? How bout Colt Brennan? Mike Martz, Torry Holt, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, terrific Offensive line, "Greatest show on TURF".....Kurt Warner went from the arena league to the.........arena league. This offense ran like no other. The stats he had in St Louis have to be discounted some. It was the system and great players around him that allowed him to put up those kind of stats. Don't get me wrong, Kurt Warner is a good NFL QB, but he has been put in some mighty fine situations. Now in Arizona he has the best trio of WR's in the league to throw to. Couldn't any good, above average QB put up inflated numbers in these offenses??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 13, 2009 Clearly, you have NEVER played sports at a high level! I see how that is relevant... Especially on a fantasy football forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melissa Stark 1 Posted January 13, 2009 roroco Posted Today, 04:57 PM A case can be made that Bruce,Holt,Fitz,Boldin all owe Kurt for making their jobs easier and not the other way around as you seem to suggest. They ALL got better when he arrived. A) Fitz and Boldin - barring injuries - have always been studs, not matter who was throwing them the ball. To say Warner is making Fitz or Boldin better is just giving him too much credit. The phenom talent on that team is at WR not QB. Warner had 3 good years at STL... Followed by 2 very bad years at STL (4TDs combined)... Followed by a subpar year in NY... A subpar year in ARI... and then 2 more good years in ARI. Yes he has managed football games to win, but he is 50/50 (not counting his rookie year) as far as being good or being bad at the position. Warner is just an average QB in an excellent situation. Again... If I were starting a team from scratch... he would not be in my top 10 regardless of if it were to be now or in his prime (whenever that was). Fitz and Boldin didn't seem to be stud status with Leinhart tossing it around,so the Qb (Warner) is just as talented as his Wr's. I'm guessing with your thinking Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf, Rex Grossman would put up just as great #'s at Qb? How is Warner in an excellent situation? The Cards have been mediocre forever, the addition of Warner and Whisenhunt have made all the difference. Warner is not a game manager, he is the difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 13, 2009 Fitz and Boldin didn't seem to be stud status with Leinhart tossing it around,so the Qb (Warner) is just as talented as his Wr's.I'm guessing with your thinking Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf, Rex Grossman would put up just as great #'s at Qb? How is Warner in an excellent situation? The Cards have been mediocre forever, the addition of Warner and Whisenhunt have made all the difference. Warner is not a game manager, he is the difference. Fitz's numbers have never tapered off... regardless of who was throwing to him. Just because you weren't paying attention to him because he wasn't on you fantasy football team, doesn't mean that he wasn't a stud. http://www.nfl.com/players/careerstats?id=FIT437493 Boldin on the other hand is hard to judge since he has been plagued with injuries, but seeing as his specialty is YAC, then I doubt Warner is doing much to improve his greatness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted January 13, 2009 Warner's problem is that he's "soft" and his high flying offenses tend to be soft right along with him. the football culture looks to QBs to be field generals, rugged leaders... not concussion plagued, holy-rollers who can only play well when it's sunny, 75degrees, no wind, on turf, indoors. unfortunately that's part of the Kurt Warner makeup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Hood 9 Posted January 13, 2009 Fitz's numbers have never tapered off... regardless of who was throwing to him. Just because you weren't paying attention to him because he wasn't on you fantasy football team, doesn't mean that he wasn't a stud. http://www.nfl.com/players/careerstats?id=FIT437493 Boldin on the other hand is hard to judge since he has been plagued with injuries, but seeing as his specialty is YAC, then I doubt Warner is doing much to improve his greatness. Basically 42 of Fitz's 60 games since 2005 have been with Warner. Like 5 good games in that time without Warner. His and Boldin's 2004 stats before Warner got there also sucked. Yes Warner's ability to hit guys in stride does nothing to help YAC yards either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enis_44 0 Posted January 13, 2009 Oh ya, Cause Mike Martz is such a genious since he's been without Warner. And STL won so many playoff games after Warner left. And Arizona was such a badazz passing team before Warner arrived. Ask any Larry Fitz owner, they were PRAYING for Kurt Warner to win the starting job this year. Why? Because he throws one of the most accurate balls EVER. Dude passes for 300 yards for breakfast. A product of the system? (two different systems mind you). LMBO Oh, and to compare him to Timmy Chang? AHAAHAHAAHAAHAHAA! I didn't know that STL and AZ were in the WAC conference. Just lunacy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted January 13, 2009 Warner's problem is that he's "soft" and his high flying offenses tend to be soft right along with him. the football culture looks to QBs to be field generals, rugged leaders... not concussion plagued, holy-rollers who can only play well when it's sunny, 75degrees, no wind, on turf, indoors. unfortunately that's part of the Kurt Warner makeup. First of all, you must have missed this past weekend's game in Carolina. Secondly, are you saying Kurt Warner isn't tough? Do you have any idea how many times he gets hit compared to the average QB? Because he stands in the pocket so long and isn't all that mobile, he takes a beating game in and game out. Always has. He's as tough as nails. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,440 Posted January 13, 2009 Warner a Hall of Famer? Highly doubtful... Even with one more good year. Do you think Aikman is a hall of famer? If so, Warner has to be. How about Peyton Manning? Peyton has three MVP's to Warners two. Peyton has one Super Bowl appearence to Warners two. Each has a Super Bowl win. Add in the "Tuck Rule" and St. Louis would have destroyed the Raiders for a second. Belicheat started his cheating ways during that Super Bowl in '01. How about Mc Nabb? One Super Bowl loss and five NFC Championship appearences. Not better than Warner in my opinion. Each has been surronded by good talent. It's about what you do with it. Warner is Hall Of Fame worthy if Troy Aikman is. Warner has four pro bowls to Aikmans 6. Warner has two league MVP's to Aikmans zero. Warner has one Super Bowl MVP ( the same year he won the MVP for the league, only done five other times in NFL history) to Aikmans one. Aikman has three Super Bowls wins to Warners one. Warner does have two appearences in the Super Bowl. Pretty close in my opinion. Warner is a better QB than Aikman was. Just ask Aikman. To all of those who say he is surronded by talent, or it's the system, Aikman is the prime example of someone surronded by talent. But because he's a Cowboy, he get's the nod? If you say that Warner doesn't belong in the Hall Of Fame if he wins the Super bowl this year, your just stuuuuuuupid! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 13, 2009 Basically 42 of Fitz's 60 games since 2005 have been with Warner. Like 5 good games in that time without Warner. His and Boldin's 2004 stats before Warner got there also sucked. Yes Warner's ability to hit guys in stride does nothing to help YAC yards either. Man... talk about delusional. Before Warner got there Fitz was a rookie that raked up 700+ yards.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 13, 2009 Do you think Aikman is a hall of famer? If so, Warner has to be. How about Peyton Manning? Peyton has three MVP's to Warners two. Peyton has one Super Bowl appearence to Warners two. Each has a Super Bowl win. Add in the "Tuck Rule" and St. Louis would have destroyed the Raiders for a second. Belicheat started his cheating ways during that Super Bowl in '01. How about Mc Nabb? One Super Bowl loss and five NFC Championship appearences. Not better than Warner in my opinion. Each has been surronded by good talent. It's about what you do with it. Warner is Hall Of Fame worthy if Troy Aikman is. Warner has four pro bowls to Aikmans 6. Warner has two league MVP's to Aikmans zero. Warner has one Super Bowl MVP ( the same year he won the MVP for the league, only done five other times in NFL history) to Aikmans one. Aikman has three Super Bowls wins to Warners one. Warner does have two appearences in the Super Bowl. Pretty close in my opinion. Warner is a better QB than Aikman was. Just ask Aikman. To all of those who say he is surronded by talent, or it's the system, Aikman is the prime example of someone surronded by talent. But because he's a Cowboy, he get's the nod? If you say that Warner doesn't belong in the Hall Of Fame if he wins the Super bowl this year, your just stuuuuuuupid! I am not even going to address your entire post.... Are you honestly comparing Aikman and Manning to Warner? Why don't you add Montana and Young in the for s**ts and giggles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites