Dirty hits by Clark and Nakamura

[jgcrawfish 232]

As usual, you are way off base.

Firstly, as I already explained to you earlier in the thread, the thread title was misleading in terms of what I really felt the issue was. The impact that this play had on the game was just an interesting side note as far as I'm concerned. You simply, apparently, chose to ignore or reject that explanation.

Secondly, Clark did spear.

Thirdly, you are dead wrong, I did not call Clark a head hunter. Others have commented on the nature of how Clark plays the game in general, but in your mind you wrongly attributed that to me, lumping it in with your mistaken belief that I have a problem with the Steelers.

You do continue to complain, there's no two ways about it.

Furthermore, the reason I am particularly concerned about what defensive backs are doing in the NFL is that they are coming in full speed with these hits. Momentum = velocity x mass. Defensive linemen may weigh 50% more than defensive backs but most of these guys coming in making hits like this are doing it with five to ten times the velocity of a defensive lineman that comes in on two steps and hits a quarterback.

Lastly, get it through your skull, it's not that the McGahee hit was "glorified" that got my interest, it's simply that I saw it enough times that I was confident in what I was looking at. As noted specially in my first post, what inspired me to post about it was Phil Simms getting on there and misleading everyone by making a straw man argument about helmet-to-helmet rules, missing the point that that type of hit is not allowed under general rules about usage of the helmet by a defensive player. It's much like I got irritated a few weeks ago when Boomer Esiason got on national TV and quoted stats that say the team that wins the coin toss in over time has only won the game on the first drive 30% of the time... horribly misleading considering that stat dates back to 1974, 20 years before the kickoff was moved back to the 30 yard line, and also is irrelevant compared to the number of times that the coin toss winner wins the game on any drive.

 

I don't feel the need to change the thread title. I have already said over and over in the thread what it is that I think is the issue, and you continue to ignore it and go off on your own defensive agenda. For you to have read and participated in the thread as much as you have, and not be able to accept that the flow of the thread does not go with your initial emotional reaction to it is your own problem. Now that I have clarified these things for you I have nothing more to say, particularly since you have added and continue to add nothing of value to the discussion.

 

1. Get glasses, cause your vision sucks.

2. Majority of the posters in this thread have said the same thing...hard hit, brutal hit...clean hit...as has the NFL. Drop the term spearing, you're the only one using it and I'm pretty sure you're not on the NFL rules committee or their payroll, so shut it.

3. You don't feel the need to change the thread title because you are: A.) Ok with trying to bait people in B.) Someone who can't tell the difference between leading with the head (or spearing) and not leading with head C.) See #1 above D.) All of the aforementioned.

4. Your credibility sucks because of #3 above and the part I bolded.

5. If you're really "particularly concerned about what defensive backs are doing in the NFL" perhaps you should start off your thread title like that and try for a little less board sensationalism.

6. For what it's worth...I believe it was Ngata that SPEARED Ben in the back. Ngata ran a 4.83 in college. Ryan Clark ran a 4.7 in college. I'm really not sure your Newtonian velocity x mass = momentum applies very well when a 350 lb man moves damn near as swiftly as a 205 lb man. Using that logic Clark moves at about .5 MPH faster than Ngata. Even if Clark hit McGahee at 15 mph and Ngata only hit Ben at 10 mph, Ngata still applies nearly 400 lbs more force, particularly since HE SPEARED HIS TARGET AND CLARK DIDN'T!!!

 

 

Edit: say what you want about me...you got owned in this thread by everybody else who you now have convinced that you're not the brightest color in the crayola box...

[Cuse9 129]

Did he "spear"? You decide.

 

Spear Definition

spear (spir)

 

noun

 

1. a weapon consisting of a long wooden shaft with a sharp point, usually of metal or stone, for thrusting or throwing

2. any spearlike, often forked, implement used for thrusting, as in one kind of fishing

3.spearman

4.Etymology: var. of spire; ? infl. by spear above

a long blade or shoot, as of grass

Etymology: ME spere < OE (akin to Ger speer) < IE base *sper- > spar, L sparus

 

Transitive Verb

 

1. to pierce or stab with something pointed, as a spear

2. to catch (fish, etc.) with a spear

3. Informal to extend the arm so as to make a one-handed catch of (a baseball, etc.)

 

intransitive verb

 

1. to pierce or shoot like a spear

2. Etymology: cf. spear

to sprout into a long stem

Related Forms:

 

spearer spear′er noun

spear Synonyms

spear

n.

 

lance, pike, javelin, gar, halberd, half-pike, partisan, bill, lancet, bayonet, fish spear, hunting spear, weapon.

 

spear Usage Examples

Preposition: of

asparagus: Steamed brocolli, spears of asparagus, sliced courgette, etc, all work well.

Converse of object

brandish: Showing a native warrior seated on a camel and brandishing a spear.

hurl: Albert is long dead, killed by a spear hurled into the khazi by an enraged Harold finally pushed over the edge.

sharpen: A warrior, he throws sharpened spears to cut in deep.

throw: Expert horsemen, the Britons can throw spears from horseback, or from chariots.

thrust: Another ape thrust a spear at him; but Prak slithered sideways on the bloody flags, and went tumbling down the next flight.

carry: The staff originated from the long spears carried by classical warriors.

 

Adjective modifier

sharp: Then came the swish of swift sharp spears seeking the mortal flesh of adversaries.

Modifies a noun

thistle: Under the Weeds Act 1959, the Minister has the powers to require an occupier of land to prevent the spread of spear thistle.

thrust: His tomb shows an angel bearing his soul to Heaven and apparently his spear thrust into a dragon's jaw.

fisherman: The two spear fishermen were not far from the beach.

carrier: We are interchangeable bit-part actors, spear carriers, participating in a mockery of parliamentary process.

shaft: By comparison, modern humans made lighter stone points that could be fitted on to lighter spear shafts.

fishing: The best spear fishing I've done is off Northern Ireland where I couldn't fail to hunt without success.

 

Noun used with modifier

britney: Sandwich britney spears ' together to share today through july th.

asparagus: I am talking about fresh Oxfordshire asparagus spears, which have a far deeper, richer flavor than those imported bunches.

eel: Eel spears are the ultimate embodiment of beauty of form derived from function.

sandwich: Sandwich britney spears ' together to share today through july th.

ax: Logged Oden, guide our ships, our axes spears and swords!

hunting: They also throw the javelin, using hunting spears that are flung huge distances through the bush.

spear Quotes

No more boomerang No more spear; Now all civilizedö Colour-bar and beer.

 

—Kathleen Jean Mary Ruska

 

Bring me my bow of burning gold! Bring me myarrows of desire! Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold! Bring me my chariot of fire!

 

—Blake,William

 

He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire. Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

 

—Bible (Old Testament)

 

Oft seldan hw×r ×fter leodhyre lytle hwile bongar bugeth. It is very rare that, after the fall of a prince, the deadly spear rests for long.

 

—Anonymous

 

Still from the sire the son shall hear Of the stern strife, and carnage drear, Of Flodden's fatal field, Where shivered was fair Scotland's spear, And broken was her shield!

 

—Scott, Sir Walter

 

He maketh wars to cease in all the world: he breaketh the bow, and knappeth the spear in sunder, and burneth the chariots in the fire. Be still then, and know that I am God.

 

—Book of Common Prayer

 

But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

 

—Bible (NewTestament)

 

Is it not possible that the rage for confession, autobiography, especially for memories of earliest childhood, is explained by our persistent yet mysterious belief in a self which is continuous and permanent; which, untouched by all we acquire and all we shed, pushes a green spear through the dead leaves and throughthemould, thrusts a scaled bud through years of darkness until, one day, the light discovers it and shakes the flower free andöwe are aliveöwe are flowering for our moment upon the earth? This is the moment which after all, we live foröthe moment of direct feeling when we are most ourselves and least personal.

 

—Beauchamp

 

Where is the antique glory now become, What whilom wont in women to appear? Where be the brave achievements doen by some? Where be the battles, where the shield and spear, And all the conquests, which them high did rear, That matter made for famous poet's verse, And boastful men so oft abashed to hear? Bene theyall dead, and laid in doleful hearse? Or doen they only sleep, and shall again reverse?

 

—Spenser, Edmund

I can't help myself from posting in here

[jgcrawfish 232]

Did he "spear"? You decide.

 

Spear Definition

spear (spir)

 

noun

 

1. a weapon consisting of a long wooden shaft with a sharp point, usually of metal or stone, for thrusting or throwing

2. any spearlike, often forked, implement used for thrusting, as in one kind of fishing

3.spearman

4.Etymology: var. of spire; ? infl. by spear above

a long blade or shoot, as of grass

Etymology: ME spere < OE (akin to Ger speer) < IE base *sper- > spar, L sparus

 

Transitive Verb

 

1. to pierce or stab with something pointed, as a spear

2. to catch (fish, etc.) with a spear

3. Informal to extend the arm so as to make a one-handed catch of (a baseball, etc.)

 

intransitive verb

 

1. to pierce or shoot like a spear

2. Etymology: cf. spear

to sprout into a long stem

Related Forms:

 

spearer spear′er noun

spear Synonyms

spear

n.

 

lance, pike, javelin, gar, halberd, half-pike, partisan, bill, lancet, bayonet, fish spear, hunting spear, weapon.

 

spear Usage Examples

Preposition: of

asparagus: Steamed brocolli, spears of asparagus, sliced courgette, etc, all work well.

Converse of object

brandish: Showing a native warrior seated on a camel and brandishing a spear.

hurl: Albert is long dead, killed by a spear hurled into the khazi by an enraged Harold finally pushed over the edge.

sharpen: A warrior, he throws sharpened spears to cut in deep.

throw: Expert horsemen, the Britons can throw spears from horseback, or from chariots.

thrust: Another ape thrust a spear at him; but Prak slithered sideways on the bloody flags, and went tumbling down the next flight.

carry: The staff originated from the long spears carried by classical warriors.

 

Adjective modifier

sharp: Then came the swish of swift sharp spears seeking the mortal flesh of adversaries.

Modifies a noun

thistle: Under the Weeds Act 1959, the Minister has the powers to require an occupier of land to prevent the spread of spear thistle.

thrust: His tomb shows an angel bearing his soul to Heaven and apparently his spear thrust into a dragon's jaw.

fisherman: The two spear fishermen were not far from the beach.

carrier: We are interchangeable bit-part actors, spear carriers, participating in a mockery of parliamentary process.

shaft: By comparison, modern humans made lighter stone points that could be fitted on to lighter spear shafts.

fishing: The best spear fishing I've done is off Northern Ireland where I couldn't fail to hunt without success.

 

Noun used with modifier

britney: Sandwich britney spears ' together to share today through july th.

asparagus: I am talking about fresh Oxfordshire asparagus spears, which have a far deeper, richer flavor than those imported bunches.

eel: Eel spears are the ultimate embodiment of beauty of form derived from function.

sandwich: Sandwich britney spears ' together to share today through july th.

ax: Logged Oden, guide our ships, our axes spears and swords!

hunting: They also throw the javelin, using hunting spears that are flung huge distances through the bush.

spear Quotes

No more boomerang No more spear; Now all civilizedö Colour-bar and beer.

 

—Kathleen Jean Mary Ruska

 

Bring me my bow of burning gold! Bring me myarrows of desire! Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold! Bring me my chariot of fire!

 

—Blake,William

 

He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire. Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

 

—Bible (Old Testament)

 

Oft seldan hw×r ×fter leodhyre lytle hwile bongar bugeth. It is very rare that, after the fall of a prince, the deadly spear rests for long.

 

—Anonymous

 

Still from the sire the son shall hear Of the stern strife, and carnage drear, Of Flodden's fatal field, Where shivered was fair Scotland's spear, And broken was her shield!

 

—Scott, Sir Walter

 

He maketh wars to cease in all the world: he breaketh the bow, and knappeth the spear in sunder, and burneth the chariots in the fire. Be still then, and know that I am God.

 

—Book of Common Prayer

 

But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

 

—Bible (NewTestament)

 

Is it not possible that the rage for confession, autobiography, especially for memories of earliest childhood, is explained by our persistent yet mysterious belief in a self which is continuous and permanent; which, untouched by all we acquire and all we shed, pushes a green spear through the dead leaves and throughthemould, thrusts a scaled bud through years of darkness until, one day, the light discovers it and shakes the flower free andöwe are aliveöwe are flowering for our moment upon the earth? This is the moment which after all, we live foröthe moment of direct feeling when we are most ourselves and least personal.

 

—Beauchamp

 

Where is the antique glory now become, What whilom wont in women to appear? Where be the brave achievements doen by some? Where be the battles, where the shield and spear, And all the conquests, which them high did rear, That matter made for famous poet's verse, And boastful men so oft abashed to hear? Bene theyall dead, and laid in doleful hearse? Or doen they only sleep, and shall again reverse?

 

—Spenser, Edmund

I can't help myself from posting in here

 

Damn, you'd think with that long ass post we'd hit 10 pages, but alas, 'twas not meant to be.

[Cuse9 129]

Damn, you'd think with that long ass post we'd hit 10 pages, but alas, 'twas not meant to be.

Hell, you would think with you replying to it that would have done the trick?!

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[Cuse9 129]

WOOOO HOOOOO

 

It's a new thread title, we might hit 20 pages now.

 

Let's talk about jg's complaints. I would like to hear what jg has to say about his "complaining" and then we'll discuss his complaints. However, I suggest tj go first and then we can have a rebuttle from jg.

 

Please give your opening statements:

[Law 241]

New thread title for jgcrawfish to complain about

 

 

Ahhhhh, seems someone's got their panties in a wad.

 

How cute is that?

[jgcrawfish 232]

WOOOO HOOOOO

 

It's a new thread title, we might hit 20 pages now.

 

Let's talk about jg's complaints. I would like to hear what jg has to say about his "complaining" and then we'll discuss his complaints. However, I suggest tj go first and then we can have a rebuttle from jg.

 

Please give your opening statements:

 

Awwwww crap...I wanted the floor to open.

 

Ahhhhh, seems someone's got their panties in a wad.

 

How cute is that?

 

I'd like say my work here is done, but it isn't...

 

 

t.j - way to take the high road there bud, nothing says classy AND winner like putting another persons name in your thread...

[FlaHawker 24]

Awwwww crap...I wanted the floor to open.

I'd like say my work here is done, but it isn't...

t.j - way to take the high road there bud, nothing says classy AND winner like putting another persons name in your thread...

But it's ok to start threads about posters you hate?

[Cuse9 129]

But it's ok to start threads about posters you hate?

We're all brothers in here. No hate, hate is a bad thing.

[FlaHawker 24]

We're all brothers in here. No hate, hate is a bad thing.

I'm with you cuse

[jgcrawfish 232]

But it's ok to start threads about posters you hate?

 

i never started a thread about posters i hate...and i specifically said i don't hate anybody on this board. i started a thread about how certain posters have influenced your views of teams in general... wasn't talking about anyone in particular . my opinion has changed, i find you humorous, filled with convictions...and now i'm calling your parole officer about those convictions.

[FlaHawker 24]

i started a thread about how certain posters have influenced your views of teams in general... wasn't talking about anyone in particular .

ok

[Franknbeans 46]

t.j owns many skirts

[Cuse9 129]

Since he's not capable of following the context of a thread

 

I'm curious? How does this follow the context of this thread? It was a thread about hitting guys in football hard and now it's a thread dedicated to a member that you idolize? This is what the Beatles tried to tell us long ago: All You Need Is Love.....Love Is All You Need!

 

I'm getting a warm/fuzzy feeling.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

t.j often has some good insights, but he has other times where his panties get in a bunch for no apparent reason. IMO this is the latter.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

I hope he hits someone just like that this week

[Law 241]

I hope he hits someone just like that this week

 

 

My vote for that "someone" is tj.

 

[Cuse9 129]

My vote for that "someone" is tj.

 

He would sue for millions!

[t.j 35]

5. If you're really "particularly concerned about what defensive backs are doing in the NFL" perhaps you should start off your thread title like that and try for a little less board sensationalism.

6. For what it's worth...I believe it was Ngata that SPEARED Ben in the back. Ngata ran a 4.83 in college. Ryan Clark ran a 4.7 in college. I'm really not sure your Newtonian velocity x mass = momentum applies very well when a 350 lb man moves damn near as swiftly as a 205 lb man. Using that logic Clark moves at about .5 MPH faster than Ngata. Even if Clark hit McGahee at 15 mph and Ngata only hit Ben at 10 mph, Ngata still applies nearly 400 lbs more force

 

I already said the thread title was a tactical mistake. I've told you more than enough times for you to recognize this if you were willing to. That said, if you had the inclination to participate in something other than a homeristic defense of your boys (which clearly you don't), you'd have moved on long ago.

As for not changing it when you complained about it the first four times, the reason was that after the thread had reached 9 pages it didn't seem like it mattered what the title was anymore, the damage of the bad thread title had been done, the players in the thread were beyond the title at that point (except for you). You'd already been told to consider an alternate context and refused, so what difference would it make.

 

Now the reason I am posting again is because I did about an hour of research to look up this hit on Roethlisberger. The reason it took so long is that none of the search results on things like "ravens roethlisberger spear" actually said who hit him, and furthermore most of these websites mistakenly were reporting the exact same line that the hit occurred late in the 2nd quarter (in fact it was in the middle of the 1st quarter), so when I looked on my DVR I wasn't finding it. Before I comment on the hit let me say again that I didn't and still don't think it is necessary to comment on one hit to justify complaints about another hit. Let me also say that I told you initially that I did not condone the Ravens spearing Roethlisberger. Again, the primary reason I had not commented further on the hit on Roethlisberger was that I did not really remember it, whereas the McGahee hit was unavoidably memorable due to the repeated replays during the live broadcast.

That said I did find the hit on Roethlisberger and it is very bad, worse than my vague recollection of it from when the game happened. My recollection from having seen it one times was that a player got up, took a step or two, and speared Ben with minimal momentum. In actuality the player got up, ran a good 10 yards and speared him. Again, the difference is that in the Clark case we got to see it enough times that we knew exactly what happened. Having reviewed this other hit on Roethlisberger I can say that I have just as big of a problem with it as I do with the hit on McGahee.

 

I'm familiar with how good of an athlete that Ngata is, but the point is that it's defensive backs that consistently have the opportunity and inclination to make these high-speed head-first hits. Now here's the part that will surprise you. It wasn't Haloti Ngata, it was Haruki Nakamura. A guy who weighs about half of the 400 pounds that you were stating. But he was running full speed so he did have approximately the momentum of Clark. Just another example of dangerous play by defensive backs, allowed to become more prevalent because they are encouraged to hit recklessly and the the league doesn't do anything about it. I stand by the original stance of my rant that Simms' comments on Clark's hit (which apply also to Nakamura's hit) are irresponsible, misleading, and misguided. It is even more unfortunate that Mike Pereira decided to be his usual controversy-squelching self and back his refs rather than publicly admit their mistake. I look forward to him being out of the league within the next year.

 

The other irony is... while I don't hold the league's ruling to be the end-all be-all of whether a hit was clean or not, since I don't trust Pereira any further than I could throw him... you on the other hand view the non-fine on Clark as proof that the hit was legal. It would stand to reason then, that in other cases you would go also take the league's ruling as evidence of whether a hit was dirty or not. However, you are certain that Nakamura speared Roethlisberger (and I agree that he did). Spearing is clearly forbidden in the rulebook, yet Nakamura wasn't fined, oops! Clearly you only think the league's action (or lack thereof) means anything when it suits your purpose. Whereas I don't think the league's official ruling means shit, ever.

 

1. Get glasses, cause your vision sucks.

 

I don't think that glasses would even help you if you see Nakamura without glasses and think it's Ngata.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I already said the thread title was a tactical mistake. I've told you more than enough times for you to recognize this if you were willing to. That said, if you had the inclination to participate in something other than a homeristic defense of your boys (which clearly you don't), you'd have moved on long ago.

As for not changing it when you complained about it the first four times, the reason was that after the thread had reached 9 pages it didn't seem like it mattered what the title was anymore, the damage of the bad thread title had been done, the players in the thread were beyond the title at that point (except for you). You'd already been told to consider an alternate context and refused, so what difference would it make.

 

Now the reason I am posting again is because I did about an hour of research to look up this hit on Roethlisberger. The reason it took so long is that none of the search results on things like "ravens roethlisberger spear" actually said who hit him, and furthermore most of these websites mistakenly were reporting the exact same line that the hit occurred late in the 2nd quarter (in fact it was in the middle of the 1st quarter), so when I looked on my DVR I wasn't finding it. Before I comment on the hit let me say again that I didn't and still don't think it is necessary to comment on one hit to justify complaints about another hit. Let me also say that I told you initially that I did not condone the Ravens spearing Roethlisberger. Again, the primary reason I had not commented further on the hit on Roethlisberger was that I did not really remember it, whereas the McGahee hit was unavoidably memorable due to the repeated replays during the live broadcast.

That said I did find the hit on Roethlisberger and it is very bad, worse than my vague recollection of it from when the game happened. My recollection from having seen it one times was that a player got up, took a step or two, and speared Ben with minimal momentum. In actuality the player got up, ran a good 10 yards and speared him. Again, the difference is that in the Clark case we got to see it enough times that we knew exactly what happened. Having reviewed this other hit on Roethlisberger I can say that I have just as big of a problem with it as I do with the hit on McGahee.

 

Now here's the part that will surprise you. It wasn't Haloti Ngata, it was Haruki Nakamura. A guy who weighs about half of the 400 pounds that you were stating. But he was running full speed so he did have approximately the momentum of Clark. Just another example of dangerous play by defensive backs, allowed to become more prevalent because their coaches encourage them to play recklessly and the the league doesn't do anything about it. I stand by the original stance of my rant that Simms' comments on Clark's hit (which apply also to Nakamura's hit) are irresponsible, misleading, and misguided. It is even more unfortunate that Mike Pereira decided to be his usual controversy-squelching self and back his refs rather than publicly admit their mistake. I look forward to him being out of the league within the next year.

 

The other irony is... while I don't hold the league's ruling to be the end-all be-all of whether a hit was clean or not, since I don't trust Pereira any further than I could throw him... you on the other hand view the non-fine on Clark as proof that the hit was legal. It would stand to reason then, that in other cases you would go also take the league's ruling as evidence of whether a hit was dirty or not. However, you are certain that Nakamura speared Roethlisberger (and I agree that he did). Spearing is clearly forbidden in the rulebook, yet Nakamura wasn't fined, oops! Clearly you only think the league's action (or lack thereof) means anything when it suits your purpose. Whereas I don't think the league's official ruling means ######, ever.

 

 

 

I don't think that glasses would even help you if you can't tell the difference between Haloti's fat ass and Nakamura without them.

 

I saw the play once, and it stuck out in my mind. When you made the mistake of calling the Clark hit a spear, that's the first thing that jumped back into my mind. I didn't record the game, and quite honestly didn't find anything on it during a cursory search of the internet. I did remember it was an unusual name that was guilty of it and made the assumption it was Ngata...my mistake. I'm not going based on Pereira's assessment or the league assessment of the Clark hit, I'm going off what I saw...and in my mind the hit that was leveled on Roethlisberger was far more flagrant and against the rules than anything Clark did...regardless of color or logo was on each helmet. Most of my beef all along was your initial and continued misuse of the term spearing and the fact that I cannot comprehend how you cannot see that, yes, Clark unloaded on him, but did so leading with the shoulder and never at any point drove straight into mcgahee. i will agree with you that unfortunately it will take somebody getting really really hurt or dead for this to be looked at by the nfl. however, if you don't want such a strong reaction next time perhaps you should try being a little less inflammatory with your statements.

 

PS, change the thread title back to the 2nd name you put on it...makes me feel like all the time i spent responding to this thing over and over wasn't quite as much a waste...

 

(anxiously awaiting pithy Flahawker response about how it was a waste)

[Sho Nuff 720]

Such a homeristic defense of his boys that just about everyone else agrees with him?

[Cuse9 129]

Ryan Clark must be a voter for the HOF, because Shannon Sharpe not getting in is about the cheapest shot I seen all year.

 

Fock the HOF.

 

Okay back to the Ryan Clark vs jgcrawfish vs tj vs yo mama thread..........

[Cuse9 129]

By the way, what is the record for changing the name of thread, TJ may be going for a record here!!

[jaxjag 43]

Two objectives here....

 

First, possibly push this abomination to a 10th page...

 

And, to show some support for t.j here.

 

While this style of hit is widely accepted as "clean", I agree that it invites serious injury. Clark appears to have a habit of driving his shoulder/head into the opposing player's shoulder/head. Some percentage of the time this will result in some serious helmet on helmet.

 

The hit on Welker (Clark again...) is similar. However, that hit, is much dirtier since Clark hit Welker well after the play was effectively over. Again, Clark goes in high with more of "a high impact collision" than tackle.

[Law 241]

Clark appears to have a habit of driving his shoulder/head into the opposing player's shoulder/head. Some percentage of the time this will result in some serious helmet on helmet.

 

The hit on Welker (Clark again...) is similar. However, that hit, is much dirtier since Clark hit Welker well after the play was effectively over. Again, Clark goes in high with more of "a high impact collision" than tackle.

 

Oh my! You mean an NFL defender has the audacity to have "the habit of driving" into an opposing player!??!

 

The hell you say!

 

The man should be shot!!!

 

 

Oh wait....that's right...that's his job. That's why he is paid millions of dollars a year - to have the "habit" of driving his body into opposing players. I think they have a word for that. What was that word again? Oh yeah! It's called hitting! Funny thing...hitting and tackling are part of football. Though some would wish otherwise, that fact remains.

[Cuse9 129]

Oh my! You mean an NFL defender has the audacity to have "the habit of driving" into an opposing player!??!

 

The hell you say!

 

The man should be shot!!!

Oh wait....that's right...that's his job. That's why he his paid millions of dollars a year. To have the "habit" of driving his body into opposing players. I think they have a word for that. What was that word again? Oh yeah! It's called hitting! Funny thing...hitting and tackling are part of football. Though some would wish otherwise, that fact remains.

Maybe Ryan Clark learned cheap shots from this guy?

 

This cheap shot

or

This one

 

Some cheap shots there that Ryan Clark could have learned from?

[Law 241]

I don't think we're ever gonna hit 10 pages.

 

 

 

Maybe we should get Clark to help us HIT our target!

 

[jgcrawfish 232]

i have a feeling a lit will be laid on someone today that will reignite this thread!!!

[Law 241]

i have a feeling a lit will be laid on someone today that will reignite this thread!!!

 

Well, an ex-girlfriend will be down on the field for Springsteen's halftime show and it sure would be nice if someone laid a hit on her!

 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

i have a feeling a lit will be laid on someone today that will reignite this thread!!!

 

Lets hope so

[Cuse9 129]

Well, an ex-girlfriend will be down on the field for Springsteen's halftime show and it sure would be nice if someone laid a hit on her!

 

Oh sure, let someone else do what you wasn't able to do yourself.

 

C'mon Clark, ignite this thread!

[Cuse9 129]

Through a quarter and a half, not one mention of Ryan Clark?!

[Cuse9 129]

Through a quarter and a half, not one mention of Ryan Clark?!

Too funny, Clarks first hit. He hits Breaston in the head?!

[Law 241]

And let's not yet dismiss the "brilliance" that is this thread.

[jaxjag 43]

Oh my! You mean an NFL defender has the audacity to have "the habit of driving" into an opposing player!??!

 

The hell you say!

 

The man should be shot!!!

Oh wait....that's right...that's his job. That's why he is paid millions of dollars a year - to have the "habit" of driving his body into opposing players. I think they have a word for that. What was that word again? Oh yeah! It's called hitting! Funny thing...hitting and tackling are part of football. Though some would wish otherwise, that fact remains.

 

Sorry you can't seem to grasp the difference between physical and dirty play. Maybe if you took off those homer glasses...

 

Physical games can be played cleanly. They can also be be played cheap and dirty. Clark's hit on Welker was dirty and cowardly. Clark's seems to play at people's head... saw it again tonight when he tackled Breaston.

[Law 241]

Clark's hit on Welker was dirty and cowardly.

 

 

So says you and a few others in this thread.

 

The NFL, and most football fans, say otherwise.

 

 

 

But then, this thread was about the hit on Edge, not Welker, but nice deflection there!

[jaxjag 43]

So says you and a few others in this thread.

 

The NFL, and most football fans, say otherwise.

But then, this thread was about the hit on Edge, not Welker, but nice deflection there!

 

Actually, it was about McGahee, tool.

 

And the NFL says the hit on Welker was unsportsmanlike. I'll add cowardly... which is obvious.

 

I'm talking about a pattern of head hunting.

 

Not surprised at all you can't follow.

[Law 241]

Actually, it was about McGahee, tool.

 

 

Oh my! I actually mistyped a players name!

It wouldn't be that I just watched Edge and the Cardinals lose the Super Bowl to the Steelers would it?

 

But then I guess you never mistakenly typed in one word (or name) when you clearly meant another right.

 

Tool.

 

Better yet, jaxjagoff.

[jaxjag 43]

Oh my! I actually mistyped a players name!

It wouldn't be that I just watched Edge and the Cardinals lose the Super Bowl to the Steelers would it?

 

But then I guess you never mistakenly typed in one word (or name) when you clearly meant another right.

 

Tool.

 

Better yet, jaxjagoff.

 

Nope. But I've never taken as many blows to the head and/or mouth as you so I'll let it slide.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Focking Pittsburgh head-hunting safeties are at it again!!!

 

Polamalu leaves feet

 

Clark clearly leaving the ground

 

The league really needs to crack down on these guys leaving their feet on these hits..