Dirty hits by Clark and Nakamura

[dave32 14]

This is absolutely horrible. I'll admit, I chuckled though:

 

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/dav...940851_4044.jpg

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

This is absolutely horrible. I'll admit, I chuckled though:

 

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/dav...940851_4044.jpg

 

 

 

Ryan Clark's stage name is Ivan Drago.

[jgcrawfish 232]

wow, we're now four full days past the game and Ryan Clark still hasn't gotten reprimanded by the league for his illegal hit...where's the justice I ask???!!!

 

[parrot 789]

O.K.

 

Allow me the distinct honor of being the LAST poster on this enormously entertaining and informative thread.

 

Good night folks! Thanks for coming!

 

 

Yeah. What this guy said.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Yeah. What this guy said.

 

stop it, this whiny-azz thread needs to reach 10 pages just so it's whiny-azz originator will live in board infamy!!!

[R8RMick 242]

I'll dogpile onto this with my worthless opinion. I agree with tj. Clark went in high, it was a spear. But the greater offender that day Limas Sweed. That towel-waving Featherstone could've killed that guy.

 

Look, Pittsburgh's a chippy team. Not dirty, just chippy. An extra half-second on a push out of bounds, a little added emphasis when piling in late or low on a tackle (ask Carson Palmer about that one), a headhunt now and then... I mean, it's football right?

 

The thing is, having this style of play (and they've practiced it for YEARS mind you), usually gets your own QB hurt. There's a reason Big Ben has been banged up so much over the years. Motorcycle difficulties not withstanding. Teams get pissed, and when they do it usually gets taken out on your own QB.

 

Clipping, chop blocking, spearing... The refs really aren't supposed to care if it's intentional or not, they're supposed to throw the flag. Either that, or just toss the friggin rule out completely and turn the sport into Rollerball. But since it was the Ravens, who pretty much are equal opportunity offenders, nobody's making a huge deal about it media-wise.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I'll dogpile onto this with my worthless opinion. I agree with tj. Clark went in high, it was a spear. But the greater offender that day Limas Sweed. That towel-waving Featherstone could've killed that guy.

 

Look, Pittsburgh's a chippy team. Not dirty, just chippy. An extra half-second on a push out of bounds, a little added emphasis when piling in late or low on a tackle (ask Carson Palmer about that one), a headhunt now and then... I mean, it's football right?

 

The thing is, having this style of play (and they've practiced it for YEARS mind you), usually gets your own QB hurt. There's a reason Big Ben has been banged up so much over the years. Motorcycle difficulties not withstanding. Teams get pissed, and when they do it usually gets taken out on your own QB.

 

Clipping, chop blocking, spearing... The refs really aren't supposed to care if it's intentional or not, they're supposed to throw the flag. Either that, or just toss the friggin rule out completely and turn the sport into Rollerball. But since it was the Ravens, who pretty much are equal opportunity offenders, nobody's making a huge deal about it media-wise.

 

dude, you're a raider fan right? until they became a bunch of panty-wearing little girls playing for a clinically insane owner the were the dirtiest team in the league. that wasn't a spear and it doesn't even remotely meet the definition of a spear. it was a completely legal hit, in fact, Sweed's hit was closer to illegal than Clarks hit was. Ben get hurt because his offense line leaves a lot to be desired and because he holds onto the ball longer than just about any QB in the league trying to make a play. The offense also is fairly vanilla in that if Willie Parker is in the game you can be sure it's not a screen or a swing pass (using it a "little" more often recently) which gives the defense the advantage of not having to play the sides. If Parker doesn't have the ball in his hand, the defense is free to try and head into the backfield after Ben because there is very little fear of a Ben dump off pass. But being "chippy" (nice way of saying dirty) isn't what get Ben hit.

[Snuff 10]

Wonder if Mr. McGahee is still seeing little stars?

[CheeseCake 0]

clark's hit didn't directly end the raven's season, but it was a nasty ass hit.

 

i definitely agree the nfl needs to watch these more. i can understand it if he was making a touchdown saving tackle, but mcgahee could of easily been tackled in a better way. he definitely didn't deserve to be carted off the field.

 

regardless, the steelers were the better team, so him getting knocked didn't cause them to lose

[madd futher mucker 36]

I contribute to two other boards, and the same topic/arguments were made on both of them (both sides of the argument).

I did'nt watch the game; I'm not really a fan of either team. But i did watch the video a couple times both at regular speed and slow motion.

 

After reading 3 boards on which the consensus was about 90% that it was a brutal, but legal hit, and definitely was not intentional helmet-to-helmet spearing; and after reviewing the video at both regular speed and slow-mo, I concur with the consensus.

 

No penalty and no fine should have been the result. i think the officiating in the NFL has been crappy all year, and especially in the play-offs, but the officials got this one right with a no-call. (There is a big difference between a 'nasty-ass hit' and an illegal one)

[jgcrawfish 232]

the hit that the ravens did on Roethlisberger, the shot to the back that had Byron Leftwich warming up on the sideline and Ben in the tunnel talking to the trainers was closer to "leading with the helmet" or "spearing" than anything any Steeler did all night, and it happened after Ben had released the ball and with his back turned.

[Law 241]

I'll dogpile onto this with my worthless opinion. I agree with tj. Clark went in high, it was a spear. But the greater offender that day Limas Sweed. That towel-waving Featherstone could've killed that guy.

 

Look, Pittsburgh's a chippy team. Not dirty, just chippy. An extra half-second on a push out of bounds, a little added emphasis when piling in late or low on a tackle (ask Carson Palmer about that one), a headhunt now and then... I mean, it's football right?

 

The thing is, having this style of play (and they've practiced it for YEARS mind you), usually gets your own QB hurt. There's a reason Big Ben has been banged up so much over the years. Motorcycle difficulties not withstanding. Teams get pissed, and when they do it usually gets taken out on your own QB.

 

Clipping, chop blocking, spearing... The refs really aren't supposed to care if it's intentional or not, they're supposed to throw the flag. Either that, or just toss the friggin rule out completely and turn the sport into Rollerball. But since it was the Ravens, who pretty much are equal opportunity offenders, nobody's making a huge deal about it media-wise.

 

 

+1 to the clueless team!

[Steelers 1 0]

We have to get this crybaby thread over a legal hit to 9 pages...........

[jgcrawfish 232]

We have to get this crybaby thread over a legal hit to 9 pages...........

 

you did it!!!

 

[R8RMick 242]

dude, you're a raider fan right? until they became a bunch of panty-wearing little girls playing for a clinically insane owner the were the dirtiest team in the league. that wasn't a spear and it doesn't even remotely meet the definition of a spear. it was a completely legal hit, in fact, Sweed's hit was closer to illegal than Clarks hit was. Ben get hurt because his offense line leaves a lot to be desired and because he holds onto the ball longer than just about any QB in the league trying to make a play. The offense also is fairly vanilla in that if Willie Parker is in the game you can be sure it's not a screen or a swing pass (using it a "little" more often recently) which gives the defense the advantage of not having to play the sides. If Parker doesn't have the ball in his hand, the defense is free to try and head into the backfield after Ben because there is very little fear of a Ben dump off pass. But being "chippy" (nice way of saying dirty) isn't what get Ben hit.

 

 

The Raiders aren't a dirty team, they're a stupid team. There IS a difference. Both Clark AND Sweed went in high and leading with their helmets. Those hits were spears, whether they were intended to be or not. Period.

 

Look, I've been watching the Steelers play for years. Probably longer than most Steeler fans. The Steelers have a certain style of play, going back to Lambert, Lloyd, Greene, etc... I didn't call it dirty, I called it chippy. When you play a certain physical style, it's ALWAYS going to come back on your skill players. Ask Lynn Swann. Big Ben's taken some rocket shots over his years. And regardless of how long he stands back in the pocket, you've got to wonder if he has an extra large target on his back because of this.

 

As a lifelong Raider fan, I've actually got a lot of respect for the Rooneys and that organization. I think Tomlin's done a bang-up job, and deserves the ring they're about to get.

[jaxjag 43]

Ryan Clark is a great guy:

Why is there a thread to say he't dirty, let's keep this thread going to clear his good name.

 

Also, why was "Down On The Corner" by CCR playing in the background after McGahee was laying on the field? The music player guy has no class.

 

Ouch! I remember thinking "why don't they turn that d*mn music down"... although I had no idea that was actually the name of the song. That's pretty weak.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

That was one big hit, thats for sure.

[Law 241]

That was one big legal hit, that's for legal sure.

 

 

Fixored.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Why the fock isn't this thread at 10 pages yet??? What's with you people, don't you know the seriousness of this and how aweful, illegal, immoral and downright dastardly that hit was???!!!

 

[jgcrawfish 232]

Good lord, you guys are some serious poosays! How much are you guys going to cry about us "crying"? But in the end, you just want this thread 10 pages for whatever ghey reason...carry on. Here's one more post. You guys can now continue to jerk each other off with the lube from steeler nations tears.

 

What, I'm with you completely my man...i've never seen such a despicable display of wanton flogging of the rules as in that Clark hit on poor defenseless Willis McGahee.

 

Hey t.j. and surferskin, you guys are still having that Women's Synchronized Swimming/WNBA/Gymnastics/Figure Skating marathon TV viewing weekend soon right? The Ghey and L3sbian Alliance representative was asking about it...he said he would still join you as long as you guys got your panties unwadded before this weekend and stopped petitioning the Figure Skating association for less contact in the sport.

[Borat33 17]

Why are you vagina's still discussing this? Isn't the Lillith Fair in town for you to enjoy?

[jgcrawfish 232]

More fuel for the fire...

 

Concussions

 

Front page CNN right now...two Steelers on that list of dead football players who's brains were examined...

[jgcrawfish 232]

I can't let the Seahawks thread get ahed of this one.

 

this sucker needs to go over 10 pages and stay ahead of those seachicken fans for sure!!! I hope Ryan Clark hit's Fitz like that early in the game sunday!

[Durtee 0]

this sucker needs to go over 10 pages and stay ahead of those seachicken fans for sure!!! I hope Ryan Clark hit's Fitz like that early in the game sunday!

 

So you hope that Fitz leaves on a stretcher too? Classy guy!

[jgcrawfish 232]

So you hope that Fitz leaves on a stretcher too? Classy guy!

 

yeah, and I like Fitz as a player, a lot. hopefully he's followed by Boldin, then Warner, then perhaps Rackers. And I hope Clark gets a "buckeye" on his helmet for each one!

 

gawd you people are sensitive panty wearing little girls, of course i don't want to see a player get hurt, but i wouldn't mind seeing some cardinals get absolutely lit up!

[Durtee 0]

I hope Ryan Clark hit's Fitz like that early in the game sunday!

 

[b]of course i don't want to see a player get hurt[/b]

 

[jgcrawfish 232]

WHY ARE WE NOT AT 10 PAGES ON THIS THREAD YET??? FOR CHRISSAKE, IT'S ALMOST SUPERBOWL DAY!!!

[t.j 35]

This site has lost alot of it's luster over the past few years. It's still a very fun site and I definitly enjoy it, but there are way too many idiots that constantly add nothing to the site and are allowed to post meaningless stuff time and time again. Just my opinion, but if the moderators would stiffen up what they let go through it would be more enjoyable.

3.

[Cuse9 129]

Ah, c'mon, you have to be fair. I said constantly add nothing. This is the one thread that I found rediculous. So, I figure it's the dieing time of the year in here so I might as well have some fun with it. You have to copy/paste more than just a couple items in the same thread. You have to show my how I constantly add nothing or post meaningless things.

 

In this thread absolutely. It went along with my original point of posting meaningless stuff, so I figured what the helk, I'd run with.

 

You win though, I've deleted all my posts in this thread.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Ah, c'mon, you have to be fair. I said constantly add nothing. This is the one thread that I found rediculous. So, I figure it's the dieing time of the year in here so I might as well have some fun with it. You have to copy/paste more than just a couple items in the same thread. You have to show my how I constantly add nothing or post meaningless things.

 

In this thread absolutely. It went along with my original point of posting meaningless stuff, so I figured what the helk, I'd run with.

 

You win though, I've deleted all my posts in this thread.

 

you rat, you did that so it wouldn't go over 10 pages!!! But you're right, there are way too many people who obviously don't know shiite about football and ###### and whine and moan mostly cause their team just lost.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

you rat, you did that so it wouldn't go over 10 pages!!! But you're right, there are way too many people who obviously don't know shiite about football and ###### and whine and moan mostly cause their team just lost.

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW - you folks pulled a lot of this last season when your team was out of it.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Exactly.

BTW - you folks pulled a lot of this last season when your team was out of it.

I have to admit I was cheering loudly during the last 2 minutes of last seasons superbowl

[jgcrawfish 232]

I have to admit I was cheering loudly during the last 2 minutes of last seasons superbowl

 

Oh, I'll admit it as well. I've really never pulled for any team except the Steelers harder than I did for the G-men last year in the Superbowl. The sad part is that I used to like the Patriots, somewhat. But since their recent success Pats fans rank right up on the unbearable scale with Cowboys fans. There are lots of teams with great traditions and bragging rights because of them, the 49ers and Packers come to mind. However, no one is as loud, boisterous and obnoxious as Cowboys and Pats fans, IMO. Last year, when the Steelers lost to the Jags, I really honestly did everything I could not go complain about the one call that IMO cost the Steelers the game, the missed double holding call that allowed Garrard to pick up a HUGE 1st on 4th down inside of 2 minutes and basically guaranteed the Jags a FG attempt to win the game. I've made mention of it couple of times, however, I've endeavored not to sound like other team's fanbase that blames their teams loss solely on the refs, despite the fact that the non-call against the Jags DID cost the Steelers that game.

 

Now that that is off my chest...what I really came here for...

 

I still do not get how a clean hit from Ryan Clark on McGahee brings so much sh!tstorm for being dirty when there's this...

 

Roethlisberger, 26, was speared in the rib/back area during the AFC Championship Game against Baltimore 11 days ago and did not come out of the game, but backup Byron Leftwich hurriedly warmed up in case he was needed. He said after the championship game he was fine, and nothing had surfaced about his mid-torso till Thursday's report. He threw the ball well on short and deep routes in Thursday's practice -- including a 40-yard bullet up the right seam to wide receiver Santonio Holmes, and several sharp throws to rehabbing receiver Hines Ward -- even during steady rain.

 

That's a quote from SI's Peter King reporting on the Steelers practice yesterday.

 

Steelers practice report

 

Funny part is there isn't a picture anywhere of that hit, in which a Raven defender lowered his head, led with his helmet, hit with the crown of the helment and levelled Ben in the back (while he was standing up, basically not moving and had already gotten rid of the ball). It's two weeks later and Ben is still feeling the effects of that "spear" but Clark gets all the attention because McGahee didn't get up. Any of you dumbfocks who want to see what a spear is need only to watch the hit that Raven lays on Bens back.

[parrot 789]

However, no one is as loud, boisterous and obnoxious as Cowboys and Pats fans, IMO.

 

Don't sell yourself short here Steelers fans.

[t.j 35]

Oh, I'll admit it as well. I've really never pulled for any team except the Steelers harder than I did for the G-men last year in the Superbowl. The sad part is that I used to like the Patriots, somewhat. But since their recent success Pats fans rank right up on the unbearable scale with Cowboys fans. There are lots of teams with great traditions and bragging rights because of them, the 49ers and Packers come to mind. However, no one is as loud, boisterous and obnoxious as Cowboys and Pats fans, IMO. Last year, when the Steelers lost to the Jags, I really honestly did everything I could not go complain about the one call that IMO cost the Steelers the game, the missed double holding call that allowed Garrard to pick up a HUGE 1st on 4th down inside of 2 minutes and basically guaranteed the Jags a FG attempt to win the game. I've made mention of it couple of times, however, I've endeavored not to sound like other team's fanbase that blames their teams loss solely on the refs, despite the fact that the non-call against the Jags DID cost the Steelers that game.

 

Now that that is off my chest...what I really came here for...

 

I still do not get how a clean hit from Ryan Clark on McGahee brings so much sh!tstorm for being dirty when there's this...

That's a quote from SI's Peter King reporting on the Steelers practice yesterday.

 

Steelers practice report

 

Funny part is there isn't a picture anywhere of that hit, in which a Raven defender lowered his head, led with his helmet, hit with the crown of the helment and levelled Ben in the back (while he was standing up, basically not moving and had already gotten rid of the ball). It's two weeks later and Ben is still feeling the effects of that "spear" but Clark gets all the attention because McGahee didn't get up. Any of you dumbfocks who want to see what a spear is need only to watch the hit that Raven lays on Bens back.

 

I don't condone the Ravens spearing Roethlisberger either. The big difference, as I explained to you earlier, is that they showed the McGahee hit 20 times on live TV and I didn't even get a second look at the one you are referring to. Even now I can't find a picture or video of it. Also, as TD Ryan2 pointed out earlier, me having a special disdain for defensive backs launching themselves like missiles, head-first in a straight line, is not a new thing at all. That's something that I have ranted about in the past (I can't stand players like Kenoy Kennedy and Rodney Harrison, for example, although Harrison's crimes go well beyond spearing). Seeing another bad example of it over and over again on the live broadcast of last week's game inspired my rant. You've made it clear that you think this is all about the Steelers, despite being repeatedly told otherwise. You can keep on complaining about it if you want, it's no different than any of your other posts on this forum.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

This thread is awesome. Just f'n awesome.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I don't condone the Ravens spearing Roethlisberger either. The big difference, as I explained to you earlier, is that they showed the McGahee hit 20 times on live TV and I didn't even get a second look at the one you are referring to. Even now I can't find a picture or video of it. Also, as TD Ryan2 pointed out earlier, me having a special disdain for defensive backs launching themselves like missiles, head-first in a straight line, is not a new thing at all. That's something that I have ranted about in the past (I can't stand players like Kenoy Kennedy and Rodney Harrison, for example, although Harrison's crimes go well beyond spearing). Seeing another bad example of it over and over again on the live broadcast of last week's game inspired my rant. You've made it clear that you think this is all about the Steelers, despite being repeatedly told otherwise. You can keep on complaining about it if you want, it's no different than any of your other posts on this forum.

 

Ok, so let me get this straight. YOU start a thread entitled "Clark's dirty hit ends Ravens season, officials as always, fail to call spearing" which has now not only been addressed by the NFL but also the majority of this board as a clean but hard hit. At the same time you clearly misuse the term "spearing" and get called out on the carpet for it, but you are going to sit and accuse someone else of continuing to "complain" about it...that's rich.

 

The reality is that you do have something against Ryan Clark, who I believe you've termed a head hunter and more than anything you appear to have an issue with a hard but clean hit being shown repeatedly on TV because it offends your delicate moral fibers. No, as you said, you "don't condone the Ravens spearing Roethlisberger..." but you've gone out of your way to focus on a hit that, although clearly harder, was inherently cleaner in nature than the one I've cited. That tells me that you will condemn (as opposed to condone) the McGahee hit simply because it was glorified, but not condemn a hit that should have drawn a penalty and a reprimand from the league office because "even now (you) can't find a picture or video of it". And you will also admit that you have a disdain for DB's that launch themselves, like 207 lb Ryan Clark (who didn't "launch" himself at all, coiled, yes, exploded, maybe, launched, no.) at 235 lb, also coiling, trying to evade and lowering his shoulder Willis McGahee but you seem to hold no such disdain for a huge defensive lineman lowering the crown of his helmet directly into the back/ribs of a stationary QB who no longer has the ball.

 

Perhaps your hypocritical self should think about changing the title of the thread to "The TV network showed a clean but hard hit WAY too many times and my panties are all wadded up about it and although I'm starting a thread complaining about it I'm going to call other people complainers because my little girly backside is chaffing" to more accurately describe this situation?

[t.j 35]

Ok, so let me get this straight. YOU start a thread entitled "Clark's dirty hit ends Ravens season, officials as always, fail to call spearing" which has now not only been addressed by the NFL but also the majority of this board as a clean but hard hit. At the same time you clearly misuse the term "spearing" and get called out on the carpet for it, but you are going to sit and accuse someone else of continuing to "complain" about it...that's rich.

 

The reality is that you do have something against Ryan Clark, who I believe you've termed a head hunter and more than anything you appear to have an issue with a hard but clean hit being shown repeatedly on TV because it offends your delicate moral fibers. No, as you said, you "don't condone the Ravens spearing Roethlisberger..." but you've gone out of your way to focus on a hit that, although clearly harder, was inherently cleaner in nature than the one I've cited. That tells me that you will condemn (as opposed to condone) the McGahee hit simply because it was glorified, but not condemn a hit that should have drawn a penalty and a reprimand from the league office because "even now (you) can't find a picture or video of it". And you will also admit that you have a disdain for DB's that launch themselves, like 207 lb Ryan Clark (who didn't "launch" himself at all, coiled, yes, exploded, maybe, launched, no.) at 235 lb, also coiling, trying to evade and lowering his shoulder Willis McGahee but you seem to hold no such disdain for a huge defensive lineman lowering the crown of his helmet directly into the back/ribs of a stationary QB who no longer has the ball.

 

Perhaps your hypocritical self should think about changing the title of the thread to "The TV network showed a clean but hard hit WAY too many times and my panties are all wadded up about it and although I'm starting a thread complaining about it I'm going to call other people complainers because my little girly backside is chaffing" to more accurately describe this situation?

 

As usual, you are way off base.

Firstly, as I already explained to you earlier in the thread, the thread title was misleading in terms of what I really felt the issue was. The impact that this play had on the game was just an interesting side note as far as I'm concerned. You simply, apparently, chose to ignore or reject that explanation.

Secondly, Clark did spear.

Thirdly, you are dead wrong, I did not call Clark a head hunter. Others have commented on the nature of how Clark plays the game in general, but in your mind you wrongly attributed that to me, lumping it in with your mistaken belief that I have a problem with the Steelers.

You do continue to complain, there's no two ways about it. I'm not a hypocrite for saying so. Others have criticized me for complaining and rightly so, it doesn't do any good for me to complain and I accept the fact that I complained. I think it's fair after reading a large number of posts getting on my case for stating my complaints that I can call you out for homerism-based complaints that are dragging out a thread that was otherwise nearly dead.

Furthermore, the reason I am particularly concerned about what defensive backs are doing in the NFL is that they are coming in full speed with these hits. Momentum = velocity x mass. Defensive linemen may weigh 50% more than defensive backs but most of these guys coming in making hits like this are doing it with five to ten times the velocity of a defensive lineman that comes in on two steps and hits a quarterback.

Lastly, get it through your skull, it's not that the McGahee hit was "glorified" that got my interest, it's simply that I saw it enough times that I was confident in what I was looking at. As noted specially in my first post, what inspired me to post about it was Phil Simms getting on there and misleading everyone by making straw man arguments about specific helmet-to-helmet rules, missing the point that that type of hit is not allowed under general rules about usage of the helmet by a defensive player. These kind of hits are neither safe nor legal, and someone is going to get seriously hurt later or more likely sooner as a result of them, unfortunately it's not going to help the league do something about it if everyone watching the broadcast is incorrectly told that it's ok by Simms, and then CYA specialist Pereira follows up with the same spin straw man argument. It's much like I got irritated a few weeks ago when Boomer Esiason got on national TV and quoted stats that say the team that wins the coin toss in over time has only won the game on the first drive 30% of the time... horribly misleading considering that stat dates back to 1974, 20 years before the kickoff was moved back to the 30 yard line, and also is irrelevant compared to the number of times that the coin toss winner wins the game on any drive.

 

I don't feel the need to change the thread title. I have already said over and over in the thread what it is that I think is the issue, and you continue to ignore it and go off on your own defensive agenda. For you to have read and participated in the thread as much as you have, and not be able to accept that the flow of the thread does not go with your initial emotional reaction to it is your own problem. Now that I have clarified these things for you I have nothing more to say, particularly since you have added and continue to add nothing of value to the discussion.

[Steelers 1 0]

Good lord, you guys are some serious poosays! How much are you guys going to cry about us "crying"? But in the end, you just want this thread 10 pages for whatever ghey reason...carry on. Here's one more post. You guys can now continue to jerk each other off with the lube from steeler nations tears.

Wow, what a bitter, bitter Redskins fan. Don't cry, we didn't start this stupid post, we just responded to it and proved it wrong. That beatdown we put on your Skins on MNF still hurts, huh?

[Snuff 10]

Secondly, Clark did spear.