BLS 315 Posted March 3, 2009 Jesus H Christ I want that 10 minutes of my life back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,174 Posted March 3, 2009 Jesus H Christ I want that 10 minutes of my life back. What was so bad about this thread? Especially in relation to the multitude of the ususal other political threads where it is all flaming and namecalling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,799 Posted March 3, 2009 What was so bad about this thread? Especially in relation to the multitude of the ususal other political threads where it is all flaming and namecalling. Maybe he was talking about Rush's speech? - But it lasted a shiitload longer than that. :shrug: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,728 Posted March 3, 2009 I saw bits and pieces of this. What I don't understand is why the GOP (Rush) feels the need to villify intelligence. He kept sniffing off republican "Intellectuals" as somehow being a bad thing. - And encouraging the GOP to embrace so called "Nascar Republicans". Now, I don't know if Nascar fans are ALL stupid, but apparently that's what Rush is alluding too. Honestly, they tried this: Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin - guess what happened? FIVE MILLION Republican voters LEFT THE PROCESS entirely. - They didn't vote at all! When you lose by 7+Million votes, that's something you might want to look at. I agree with Colin Powell when he basically said that yes, Rush and his ilk rile the base, but by and large the majority of Americans (whether you like it or not) are massively turned off by this kind of bumper sticker / rile the masses "he's a muslim socialist!" "I hope he fails!" bullshiit. The last election proved it. Look, I'm a Conservative. I agree with George Will (founder of the movement), most of what William Kristol says - the majority of leading conservatives in America. But right now, the GOP has been hijacked by the lowest common denominator. - And it cost them the election. I'm really disappointed. I had hoped that the GOP would have to fail miserably in order to wake up. They did the first part, but not the second. You've got JTP, Rush and Culter as the leading voices in your party right now. - While guys like Jindal fail miserably. I think it's the wrong direction. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. He flunked out of every course he took in College. There's a reason why he's so anti-intelligence. It's easy to throw spitballs from the peanut gallery - when your audience isn't that bright in the first place. In turn, it's easy to make your (largely uneducated white male) audience feel better about themselves by trashing everyone who is smarter and more successful than them. That's not new. The Klan did that. Jesse and Al do that. - All for the same purpose - to make money. Limbaugh is very successful in that regard. But when you have a retard who flunked EVERY SINGLE COURSE in college, when you have Sean Hannity who barely made it through High School - as the leading voices in your party - it's not a good thing. Like him or not, I'm not going to debate. I think he's a master at what he wants to accomplish. Even he has said "Hey look, I don't have to be RIGHT - I just have to rile the masses." He's PT Barnum. - And great at it. But that's not who want running your party. Leastwise, that's what 5 Million voters said last time. To say his listeners are stupid is stupid. The majority of the 20 million listeners he has on average are hard working Americans. Not all educated at Harvard, but there are many educated listeners. He does educate many by explaining the process of goverment and how it all works. He invites his listeners to continue their education by being kept up on current events that matter. Not who Brad Pitt had for lunch. The left hates the he points so much out. Just ask Clinton. His books are best sellers and they stay on the best sellers list longer than most. He riles the masses because the left give him a lot of ammo to do to so. And he believes in what he says. That comes off arrogant to the left. When I first starting working for my company, the person who trained me listened to Rush. Many hours on the road. I was forced to listen. I didn't want to, but my future mentor did, and that was that. This was right after Bush 1 was elected. Iran/Contra was big in the news. I took civics like most of us did, but had no idea how inside goverment really worked. DC politics. Rush explained it all in an entertaining way. I didn't and don't agree with everything he says, but I respect his abillity as a broadcaster. If you have ever listened, you can see what's bu!!###### and what's not. Like most in radio, they repeat themselves too much. And that gets old. I don't listen much anymore. Too much info on the net. And smart folks in here! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uh-huh 0 Posted March 3, 2009 To say his listeners are stupid is stupid. I think the point was anyone who takes Rush seriously is stupid, not that his listeners are stupid for listening to him. I would hope a majority of his listeners recognize Limbaugh for what he is: the Howard Stern of right-wing radio. Someone who has seized upon a very profitable shtick and is riding it for all it's worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,799 Posted March 3, 2009 I think the point was anyone who takes Rush seriously is stupid, not that his listeners are stupid for listening to him. I would hope a majority of his listeners recognize Limbaugh for what he is: the Howard Stern of right-wing radio. Someone who has seized upon a very profitable shtick and is riding it for all it's worth. Yeah, I think that's pretty well said. What's scary is that (like you see in Posty's Tax thread) a great many people believe everything the guy says - unquestioningly. That's what so scary about him. Rush doesn't take himself seriously, but THEY do. Can't blame Rush for that, but yeah, there's a ton of people who really shouldn't be allowed to listen to that stuff without some kind of Wonderlic Test. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,867 Posted March 3, 2009 Yeah, I think that's pretty well said. What's scary is that (like you see in Posty's Tax thread) a great many people believe everything the guy says - unquestioningly. That's what so scary about him. Rush doesn't take himself seriously, but THEY do. Can't blame Rush for that, but yeah, there's a ton of people who really shouldn't be allowed to listen to that stuff without some kind of Wonderlic Test. How does this differ from people believing everything that Obama said? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,799 Posted March 3, 2009 How does this differ from people believing everything that Obama said? a couple thoughts: 1. The difference is that President Obama is an elected official. He breaks his promises, he says bullshiit, that comes back to him on election day and almost instantaneously from a rabid media. Rush? Doesn't get fact-checked. Rush isn't accountable. He purposefully WILL say incindeary things just to bring in callers / ratings. - And he's rarely called on it. So there's a distinct difference. He's a unilateral bully pulpit where he can cut off any caller that disagrees with him. Obama? Not so much. 2. While I think there's a contingent of people who thought President Obama woudl single-handedly change the world into puppies and lolipops, most voters have the sense to know the process - to know that they vote for the guy who has the best plan, but to expect that plan could make it through the machinations of Congress untouched is plain unrealistic. 3. In short - Anybody who believes everything either of these guys says isn't real bright, but Obama's every word is instantly dissected. That way, people can stay informed on what % of Bullshiit he's spewing. On the other hand, Rush's listeners don't go and look up everything he says, rarely is what he says challenged and when it is, Limbaugh simply moves on to the next topic. The White House is a democracy subject to every kind of scrutiny, Radio is a one-man pulpit that controls any and all dissent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uh-huh 0 Posted March 3, 2009 a couple thoughts: 1. The difference is that President Obama is an elected official. He breaks his promises, he says bullshiit, that comes back to him on election day and almost instantaneously from a rabid media. Rush? Doesn't get fact-checked. Rush isn't accountable. He purposefully WILL say incindeary things just to bring in callers / ratings. - And he's rarely called on it. So there's a distinct difference. He's a unilateral bully pulpit where he can cut off any caller that disagrees with him. Obama? Not so much. 2. While I think there's a contingent of people who thought President Obama woudl single-handedly change the world into puppies and lolipops, most voters have the sense to know the process - to know that they vote for the guy who has the best plan, but to expect that plan could make it through the machinations of Congress untouched is plain unrealistic. 3. In short - Anybody who believes everything either of these guys says isn't real bright, but Obama's every word is instantly dissected. That way, people can stay informed on what % of Bullshiit he's spewing. On the other hand, Rush's listeners don't go and look up everything he says, rarely is what he says challenged and when it is, Limbaugh simply moves on to the next topic. The White House is a democracy subject to every kind of scrutiny, Radio is a one-man pulpit that controls any and all dissent. So in other words, Obama is accountable to the voters, whereas Rush operates as a pseudo-dictatorship, accountable only to his sponsors -- who don't care what he says as long as the bucks roll in. Rush has absolutely no responsibility for ANYTHING. All he has to do is show up and spout. No one goes back and holds him accountable for anything; for example, no one questions him on his rabid support for the disastrous Bush administrations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pimptastic69 0 Posted March 3, 2009 So in other words, Obama is accountable to the voters, whereas Rush operates as a pseudo-dictatorship, accountable only to his sponsors -- who don't care what he says as long as the bucks roll in. Rush has absolutely no responsibility for ANYTHING. All he has to do is show up and spout. No one goes back and holds him accountable for anything; for example, no one questions him on his rabid support for the disastrous Bush administrations. It's a call-in show; why don't some of you fockers call in and disagree? That's the whole point of talk radio. Rush appeals to his audience. If his audience were to turn liberal, he'd prolly change his stance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,538 Posted March 3, 2009 Interesting veiwpoint. It makes me think of a question: Do you think one of the reasons for Rush's big success (especially recently) is also attributed to the likes of Obama actually taking the time to pubically comment against Rush. This only gives Rush publicity and credibility. Wouldn't it be in Obamas/Emanuels better judgement to just ignore him, as commenting on him just validates Rush? Seems to me that Democrats painting the GOP into characatures of a clown like Limbaugh is both good for Limbaugh and good for themselves. So long as Limbaugh is dictating the terms of the GOP marching tune, the GOP will have a lot of difficulty extracting itself from Limbaugh which, in turn, alienates moderate voters which serves the Dems purposes. Speaking for myself, I have zero interest in voting Republican (at the national level) any time soon even though I don't even like Obama/the Democrats' budget policies or government expansion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,867 Posted March 3, 2009 It's a call-in show; why don't some of you fockers call in and disagree? That's the whole point of talk radio. Rush appeals to his audience. If his audience were to turn liberal, he'd prolly change his stance. Limbaugh always states that liberals that call in go to the front of the line, but they won't because Limbaugh would own them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,538 Posted March 3, 2009 Not that I'm a huge fan of Newt ("I got better!"), but at least the dude held public office, was accountable & intelligent. See, now I liked Gingrich and supported him to the end. Not his tactics so much as his ideas and goals. I admire him. Granted, he was a hypocrit by taking the low road of cheap shots at Clinton's infidelity when he had the same skeletons in his own closet. I didn't think their private misbehavior should have stained the public good these two men did together to keep the other in check and work for the best interst of the country. Really the downfall of the Republican Party in my esteme started with the impeachment trash about Clinton and the time of Gingrich stepping down as Speaker. Up until then I was pretty solidly Republican and -today- I still agree completly with the Contract With America. Once Gingrich left, the idiots(Rush/Bush/DeLay/Frist/Rove) took over the Party. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ravens 03 0 Posted March 3, 2009 Granted, he was a hypocrit by taking the low road of cheap shots at Clinton's infidelity when he had the same skeletons in his own closet. Was Gingrich focking an intern his daughter's age while President of the U.S.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DAVID RUFFIN 3 Posted March 3, 2009 It's a call-in show; why don't some of you fockers call in and disagree? That's the whole point of talk radio. Rush appeals to his audience. If his audience were to turn liberal, he'd prolly change his stance. His calls are screened to mostly accept ditto heads that blindly follow him in lockstep. Do you honestly think his people would allow a caller that could call Rush out on some of the crap he spews. He has the bully pulpit and refuses all offers from the left for honest debates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pimptastic69 0 Posted March 3, 2009 His calls are screened to mostly accept ditto heads that blindly follow him in lockstep. Do you honestly think his people would allow a caller that could call Rush out on some of the crap he spews. He has the bully pulpit and refuses all offers from the left for honest debates. Yes. I listen to talk radio all day. Trust me, they absolutely BEG for liberal callers. It makes for a better show when folks disagree with the host. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted March 3, 2009 on a side note..today, steve zaben was talking about who would be on the mt rushmore of radio and he was pretty sure of 3.... paul harvey...rush and howard stern....no idea on the 4th... does this sound right?...im no rush fan but its hard to argue against it.... i was thinking casey kasem for the 4th spot... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,867 Posted March 4, 2009 His calls are screened to mostly accept ditto heads that blindly follow him in lockstep. Do you honestly think his people would allow a caller that could call Rush out on some of the crap he spews. He has the bully pulpit and refuses all offers from the left for honest debates. Bull... He always asks for liberals to call in and states that they go to the front of the queue... They won't call in because they know that they will get schooled and not many liberals listen to his show... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uh-huh 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Yes. I listen to talk radio all day. Trust me, they absolutely BEG for liberal callers. It makes for a better show when folks disagree with the host. And there you have it! Behold the results of the US educational system, producing people who actually BELIEVE a talk show hosts' claims. Sad. His calls are screened to mostly accept ditto heads that blindly follow him in lockstep. Do you honestly think his people would allow a caller that could call Rush out on some of the crap he spews. He has the bully pulpit and refuses all offers from the left for honest debates. This guy gets it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uh-huh 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Was Gingrich focking an intern his daughter's age while President of the U.S.? So cheating on your wife isn't hypocritical? Well, now we know how you feel about marital infidelity. Guys, chill out. This isn't fishing. You are coming across as buffoons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,639 Posted March 4, 2009 on a side note..today, steve zaben was talking about who would be on the mt rushmore of radio and he was pretty sure of 3.... paul harvey...rush and howard stern....no idea on the 4th... does this sound right?...im no rush fan but its hard to argue against it.... i was thinking casey kasem for the 4th spot... Paul Harvey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,639 Posted March 4, 2009 Was Gingrich focking an intern his daughter's age while President of the U.S.? Wouldn't you, if you could? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 2,035 Posted March 4, 2009 I think the point was anyone who takes Rush seriously is stupid, not that his listeners are stupid for listening to him. I would hope a majority of his listeners recognize Limbaugh for what he is: the Howard Stern of right-wing radio. Someone who has seized upon a very profitable shtick and is riding it for all it's worth. ditto that. rush is an actor who knows how to keep his ratings high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage Beast 1 Posted March 4, 2009 Rush Limbaugh on Illegal Messicans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted March 4, 2009 if you listen closely when he's on screen, you can hear him getting fatter. he'll croak of a stroke or heart attack before obama's halfway point at this rate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,538 Posted March 4, 2009 Was Gingrich focking an intern his daughter's age while President of the U.S.? What is this a trick question? No- because he was never President of the United States. He was focking an intern his daughter's age while he was Speaker of the House. Not that there's anything wrong with that. What's bad was he would publicly get himself worked up criticizing President Clinton for banging interns. Then ten minutes later he'd go to his office, close the door, and bang his own intern. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/09/...in2551861.shtml Also, again, I really like Newt Gingrich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 4, 2009 Depending on his subject matter, Limbaugh can be entertaining. When the war effort in Iraq was getting under way, and in it's early stages, I liked listening to him. When things are going well for teh Republican party, he's got a great disposition and a very good sense of humor. When Bush's popularity began to fall, he became very defensive, even hostile at times. I probably stopped listening to him during the primaries. His smugness and insults of anyone who he didn't agree with was no longer entertaining to listen to. Nowadays, he's like the Repubs who frequent this board. He's so busy licking-his-wounds from teh ass-whooping his party took, that he's full of hatred and resent. He no longer offers anything close to a neutral viewpoint (not that he was ever all that neutral on anything). His message is basically...well, you know what his message is. Just listen to Recliner Pilot and Posty. They echo his radio show every day. When a Republican takes office again, I will most-likely tune into his show again from time to time. These days, his goal seems to be to divide the country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted March 4, 2009 Disclaimer: I have never heard Rush Limbaugh on the radio. I don't listen to political radio. To be honest I really don't know much about the guy except what is in the media; that he is an ultra conservative talk radio host and people always say he is crazy. Flipping though the channels I saw a news program that was discussing the whole Rush speech at the Repub convention the other day. They showed a good portion of the speech. If you looked past some of his over the top gestures, everything he said made perfect sense. I didn't see anything in the speech that was a cause for all the publicity by the media and/or the left. So my question is: What is the big deal with this guy? He made some compelling points and didn't come off as a wacko at all to me. What is all the fuss about? Seriously. They fear him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 4, 2009 They fear him. Who does? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted March 4, 2009 To go back to your original question. The reason so many people like and dislike Limbaugh is that he says outrageous stuff. Some people who like him tend to overlook the problems he has with facts. Some people like him because he makes them laugh. Some people like him because they are brain dead followers incapable of independent thought. Some people like him because they are bitter, hateful, scared little white dudes who were the kids got beat up in high school. Here's all you need to know about Limbaugh: The man is a complete hypocrite, entertaining to many, but a joke, nothing more, nothing less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 4, 2009 To go back to your original question. The reason so many people like and dislike Limbaugh is that he says outrageous stuff. Some people who like him tend to overlook the problems he has with facts. Some people like him because he makes them laugh. Some people like him because they are brain dead followers incapable of independent thought. Some people like him because they are bitter, hateful, scared little white dudes who were the kids got beat up in high school. Wow. Recliner Pilot and Posty are taking a beating in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted March 4, 2009 let's see: gops took the worst beating evah last fall and they have to reinvent themselves. what do they do? trot out fat, old, angry white guys and cater to racists, hicks, and war hawks. cut all taxes! dig up ronnie! love it or leave it! brilliant. i seriously question the collective iq of the republican party. they run around like crass apes. if limbaugh and (apparently, front runner romney) were in a room together they'd probably waste no time picking ticks off each other's backs and flinging dung around the room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,538 Posted March 4, 2009 Rush Limbaugh is everything that's wrong with the GOP and is a perfect foil to be used by the Democrats to present the face/voice of the GOP. Rush comes off as arrogant and dividing as opposed to Obama's smooth and inclusive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Bull... He always asks for liberals to call in and states that they go to the front of the queue... They won't call in because they know that they will get schooled and not many liberals listen to his show... Well it's hard to debate someone who has a penchant for making up facts as he goes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,867 Posted March 4, 2009 Well it's hard to debate someone who has a penchant for making up facts as he goes... Link to what he has made up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted March 4, 2009 Link to what he has made up? Look at my above post as it pertains to his stating that Michael J. Fox was exaggerating his tremors in a stem cell initiative commercial. Proof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Link to what he has made up? LMAO.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted March 4, 2009 the wall street journal (you know, that CONSERVATIVE rag) just issued a poll that says (drum roll please) the gops have their WORST PUBLIC OPINION RATING EVAH right now. how's that working for you, rush? focking idiots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,867 Posted March 4, 2009 Look at my above post as it pertains to his stating that Michael J. Fox was exaggerating his tremors in a stem cell initiative commercial. Proof. Yet on Inside Edition, Fox admits not taking meds before some public appearances... http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wmv/rushlimb....0/Video/Fox.asx And then in his book, Lucky Man... Snippets of my testimony were featured on several of the nightly news broadcasts. One line in particular from my prepared statement got a lot of play: "In my forties, I can expect challenges most people wouldn't face until their seventies and eighties, if ever. But with your help, if we all do everything we can to eradicate this disease, when I'm in my fifties I'll be dancing at my children's weddings." I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease, and the urgency we as a community were feeling, be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Yet on Inside Edition, Fox admits not taking meds before some public appearances... http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wmv/rushlimb....0/Video/Fox.asx And then in his book, Lucky Man... Snippets of my testimony were featured on several of the nightly news broadcasts. One line in particular from my prepared statement got a lot of play: "In my forties, I can expect challenges most people wouldn't face until their seventies and eighties, if ever. But with your help, if we all do everything we can to eradicate this disease, when I'm in my fifties I'll be dancing at my children's weddings." I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease, and the urgency we as a community were feeling, be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling. yeah, brilliancy: the gops will rise back to power villifying michael j. fox! email rush and tell him to run with this one. he's on a roll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites