Cutler To Da Bears!

[swamp dog 0]

The price is right for Chicago. Compare the picks to what Dallas paid for Roy Williams. Doesn't look so steep for a probowl QB who will touch the ball on every offensive play.

Look at Cutlers contract and cap hit versus what Detroit will dish out when they draft Stafforf at number 1.

Cutler didn't come cheap but Chicago got good value. From Denvers point of view it will really depend what they're able to do with the picks and if Orton or Simms can become a winner and not just be a servicable QB.

 

ah, don't expect cutler's agent to allow cutler to play out the remaining three years of that contract. i have a hunch he'll be looking to re-do the contract before cutler throws a single pass.

 

scratch that, he's probably already talking to the bears about it.

[swamp dog 0]

I'm thrilled with this deal. The bears still have another 3rd rounder, so that helps.

 

Wow

 

While Denver got good pick value, the deal throws them into rebuild mode and they will likely be a top 10 pick next year.

 

Expect Pace to be signed and hopefully a vet WR like Holt or Harrison. Cutler should attract them somewhat.

 

A do nothing off season was just righted with this move.

 

holt is toast. his knees and legs are gone. reminds of what happened to herman moore: overnight and that was that.

[Sweetness_34 0]

ah, don't expect cutler's agent to allow cutler to play out the remaining three years of that contract. i have a hunch he'll be looking to re-do the contract before cutler throws a single pass.

 

scratch that, he's probably already talking to the bears about it.

 

Bears will extend him for his entire career. This is not the lydowns we are talking about here.....a pathetic 0-16 loserville franchise. The Bears, under Jerry A, have never let any player worth his salt leave via FA....Berrian was the only and he is average at best and overpaid way too much by Minny.

[Sweetness_34 0]

holt is toast. his knees and legs are gone. reminds of what happened to herman moore: overnight and that was that.

 

holy crapola....I agree with swamp

[Sweetness_34 0]

Wow. Da Bears just got ass raped.

 

You are an idot!!! Really, you are.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Great logic. Because they haven't had a franchise QB in years, it's impossible for them to overpay. Brilliant.

 

Overpay? It is the most important position is sports. He has proven to be an above average QB in his 3rd year. They paid a lot no one is saying they didn't.

 

1st round picks bust all the time.

 

You don't overpay when you finally do something that can and should get you from 6-8 wins each year to a good football team.

 

I guess you should know your stuff about overpaying, so maybe I will just take your word for it.

[Sweetness_34 0]

yeah, i agree. there will be haters spinning it one way...but as a lion fan, gotta say i like the move for chicago. i'm not sure they compete right away this year...they've got some holes and they gave up some premium draft picks...but it's a good long-term move for them.

 

i wouldn't have minded him in detroit, but detroit simply has way too many holes to be giving up multiple premium picks...especially considering they're in a position to take stafford and keep the rest of their picks.

 

while i agree with what the bears gave up, it's also a good deal for denver. i predicted there would be a feeding frenzy for cutler and it looks like denver did maximize his value by playing the suitors off each other well.

 

good dealing from all sides on this one, i think.

 

swampy - oh boy. I agree with you again.

[swamp dog 0]

Bears will extend him for his entire career. This is not the lydowns we are talking about here.....a pathetic 0-16 loserville franchise. The Bears, under Jerry A, have never let any player worth his salt leave via FA....Berrian was the only and he is average at best and overpaid way too much by Minny.

 

yes...the bears will extend him. and pay him more. that was the point.

 

on another note, did anyone catch the morning show on espn and the assertion that cutler has a bad drinking/partying problem? no, i'm not blasting the trade. i'm on record in this thread as saying it's a good one for the bears. but there was a report on espn this morning about this...want to know if anyone heard it.

[VaTerp 0]

interesting.

 

for a franchise that has't had a qb in awhile, the price they paid isn't bad.

 

gotta believe this pretty much seals the deal of the lions taking stafford.

 

I think the price they paid is too steep but on Chicago sports radio the consensus the last 2 days seems to have been that Bears fan were willing to give up ANYTHING for Cutler.

 

The part I dont get is the thinking that this somehow means the Lions are guaranteed to draft Stafford. Kiper was saying the same thing on ESPN earlier. I just dont understand that logic. If the Lions are confident that Stafford is a franchise QB, worthy of the 1st overall pick, the coin that entails, and is a good fit for THEIR franchise then they should take him. But what the hell does the Bears QB situation have to do with them. Is Stafford gonna play defense against Cutler?

 

Personally, Im not as high as most on Culter or Stafford. Both have potential but I dont think Cutler, with the WR corp they have in Chicago, is that much of an upgrade over a healthy Orton to warrant two 1st rounders and a third. And I definitely dont think Stafford is worth the guaranteed money that comes with the 1st round pick. Im really not even convinced he's the best QB in this draft. But what the hell do I know? Time will tell.

 

I agree that it is very interesting though.

[surferskin 30]

Overpay? It is the most important position is sports. He has proven to be an above average QB in his 3rd year. They paid a lot no one is saying they didn't.

 

1st round picks bust all the time.

 

You don't overpay when you finally do something that can and should get you from 6-8 wins each year to a good football team.

 

I guess you should know your stuff about overpaying, so maybe I will just take your word for it.

People who like this trade are acting like the Bears are one player away from the Super Bowl. I don't see it. IMO they've got more holes to fill and giving up those draft picks will set them back more than Cutler will help them. We'll see I guess.

[Raider 84 29]

Fire Childress!!!

 

NO DOUBT!

[surferskin 30]

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/2009/0...chise-back.html

 

Newsome: Trading two No. 1 picks 'can set your franchise back'

 

OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- The Ravens won't be making a run for Broncos QB Jay Cutler. But Baltimore GM Ozzie Newsome said whoever considers trading for Cutler will have to weigh the cost of surrendering significant draft picks for the Pro Bowl signal caller very carefully.

 

Two first-round draft choices is seen as a popular starting point in the trade process. Newsome said that would be an awfully high price.

 

"That can set your franchise back for quite some time regardless of the player you're getting," Newsome said. "The problem with trading away No. 1 picks is you get a chance to have the (new draft pick) play for you and probably play at a high level at the lowest contract that he's going to have. And to maintain cap sanity and cash sanity you need your draft picks. And when you trade them away for one marquee player, not only do you trade away the draft picks, you've got to pay a huge sum to bring that player in, which is going to limit your ability to go get other players. So it's a double-edged sword."

 

After rookie QB Joe Flacco led the Ravens to the AFC Championship Game last season, Newsome is set at quarterback for the foreseeable future. But he said he's following the Cutler negotiations for a gauge at the player's worth.

 

"What he's going to get traded for is going to be interesting," Newsome said, "and I'll be watching."

 

Yeah, but what does he know? First round draft picks bust all the time.

[T-HO 1]

Ok, I've been waiting to unload some stats on y'all.

Topic:Stability at the qb position. Here are the total number of starts for the teams and their qb's this year. FYI the top guys are Brady(110)Brees(106)Hasselbeck(103) etc... But check out these teams:BTW-total career starts

Wash-36

Cle 31

Hou-24

K orton 33 the guy's 21-12

Buff 23

minn 22(sage 12)

Balt-16*

Atl-16*

oak-16

nyj 14

sf 8

T bay 7

How many teams have had 1 quarterback who has started 14-16 games in a season?The drop off for qb's who have done it even 1x heading into this year is HUGE! How many started all for their team last Year? Take a look at my quick list of the top qb's this year, look at the above list, and tell me 1/3rd of the entire league has a bunch of inexperienced qb's-

Brady

Brees

manning

Warner

Romo

Cutler

Mcnabb

Rivers

Eli

Delhomme

Ben

Hass

Rodgers

M Ryan

Cassel

Palmer

Schaub

Pennington-flacco-bulger-campbell-kollins

Where would orton be on this list-Drafted in FF?

BTW take a look at the top list, and ask:Do thet have a good Def and running game AND #1 decent WR? W/out a good QB, those teams may struggle.

 

The bears lost close games to Atl-Car and T Bay last year-So they were that close to 12 wins and a div title.

 

10 wins is very probable now.

 

Just like when Weigel fired the shotgun on Reno 911!

The bears did something.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

People who like this trade are acting like the Bears are one player away from the Super Bowl. I don't see it. IMO they've got more holes to fill and giving up those draft picks will set them back more than Cutler will help them. We'll see I guess.

 

Not 1 player away. But they just got at the least a good QB for the next 6-10 years. They now have a building block at the most important division. They now have less picks, but that is the trade off. Say they would have went 6-10 this year, draft a QB at 8 next year and he busts, that sets them back even father.

 

At least they pretty much know that they have a QB that can play, and has much time to improve,

[donhaas 18]

Shane Cutler

[roroco 75]

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/2009/0...chise-back.html

 

Newsome: Trading two No. 1 picks 'can set your franchise back'

 

OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- The Ravens won't be making a run for Broncos QB Jay Cutler. But Baltimore GM Ozzie Newsome said whoever considers trading for Cutler will have to weigh the cost of surrendering significant draft picks for the Pro Bowl signal caller very carefully.

 

Two first-round draft choices is seen as a popular starting point in the trade process. Newsome said that would be an awfully high price.

 

"That can set your franchise back for quite some time regardless of the player you're getting," Newsome said. "The problem with trading away No. 1 picks is you get a chance to have the (new draft pick) play for you and probably play at a high level at the lowest contract that he's going to have. And to maintain cap sanity and cash sanity you need your draft picks. And when you trade them away for one marquee player, not only do you trade away the draft picks, you've got to pay a huge sum to bring that player in, which is going to limit your ability to go get other players. So it's a double-edged sword."

 

After rookie QB Joe Flacco led the Ravens to the AFC Championship Game last season, Newsome is set at quarterback for the foreseeable future. But he said he's following the Cutler negotiations for a gauge at the player's worth.

 

"What he's going to get traded for is going to be interesting," Newsome said, "and I'll be watching."

 

Yeah, but what does he know? First round draft picks bust all the time.

 

Exactly.. NO player is worth that much.

[GhostO'VengefulHalas 0]

Not 1 player away. But they just got at the least a good QB for the next 6-10 years. They now have a building block at the most important division. They now have less picks, but that is the trade off. Say they would have went 6-10 this year, draft a QB at 8 next year and he busts, that sets them back even father.

 

At least they pretty much know that they have a QB that can play, and has much time to improve,

 

 

Walter touched on this earlier.....how often do franchise qbs truly come on the market? Almost never....and why? Because there is a dramatic shortage of quality QB's!!!!

 

The kid has shown incredible skills and has gotten better every year in his very short career....at a position in which many players dont really "get it" and peak in their late 20s or early 30s.... Granted it took alot of draft picks, but the fact that he is so young makes the deal a no brainer for Bears---- <tips cap to Angelo>

[Walter34 3]

The Bears still have some holes, but this trade makes them better then whoever they would have drafted with their two picks this year and next.

 

WR, pass rush, secondary and oline still need some work, but when you get an opportunity at a franchise qb who is just entering his prime at 25 and is arguably a top 5-8 qb, you take it. The rest can be figured out.

[donhaas 18]

The rest can be figured out.

 

 

Yep... Piece of cake

 

 

How many years have we been figuring this out as we continue to sing "Glory Days"?

[Walter34 3]

Yep... Piece of cake

How many years have we been figuring this out as we continue to sing "Glory Days"?

 

Laugh all you want Donnie, you're crapping yourself with this move - you're not fooling anyone.

 

My point was that positions other than qb can be easier to address.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

John Elway, in his prime, might have been worth two first round picks, plus a third, plus a QB.

 

Jay Cutler?

[donhaas 18]

Laugh all you want Donnie, you're crapping yourself with this move - you're not fooling anyone.

 

My point was that positions other than qb can be easier to address.

 

 

I like Cutler....especially for the Bears and their terrible QB history... I just would have felt awkward saying something nice off the bat

 

 

.....and with the Bears terrible history of first-round draft choices, it's like they're giving up practically nothing

[FeelingMN 273]

Freaking Bears fans

 

Sooooo, how long do y'all give Lovie? I mean it wasn't too long ago these fockers were crying about a coaching change. So I assume bringing in Cutler means you're cool with Lovie for another 3-4 years. If not, well, try to remember how you just got Cutler because it might be the same way you lose him.

 

As bad as QB play has been for the Bears, the reason they didn't win a horrible NFC North in 2008 was their defense.

 

And please name me another WR2 in the league who hasn't caught a single pass as a pro.

 

The very fact that so few are objectively critiquing the trade signals to me that it ain't that great a deal at all. But I guess time will tell.

[Walter34 3]

objective

 

[FeelingMN 273]

 

Honestly, the most objective thing you can say is that it's potentially a good longterm move by the Bears.

 

From a PR perspective, it was a brilliant move.

 

From a purely football stance, not so much, at least not this year. Chicago's defense was a shell of it's former self. If they played anywhere near where they were supposed to, they win 11 games. The Cutler trade doesn't address the defensive shortcomings.

 

And Chicago's offense ain't exactly overflowing with talent. WR's? O-line? The truth is Olsen >> Scheffler and Forte >>> Denver's RBs. But to be fair, both Marshall and Royal were much much better than anything Chicago had at receiver.

 

And that's the point I don't get. Please show me a QB who puts up great numbers without receivers? Don't QBs need receivers, and vice versa? Until we see how he plays without skilled receivers, the truth is you don't know exactly what QB you got. I think that's being pretty fair.

 

Cutler can be a franchise QB and he's shown what he's capable of. But to automatically assume that level of play will translate to another team, with drastically different personnel, is a bit foolhardy.

 

Sorry to interrupt the Chicago circle jerk.

[swamp dog 0]

Freaking Bears fans

 

Sooooo, how long do y'all give Lovie? I mean it wasn't too long ago these fockers were crying about a coaching change. So I assume bringing in Cutler means you're cool with Lovie for another 3-4 years. If not, well, try to remember how you just got Cutler because it might be the same way you lose him.

 

As bad as QB play has been for the Bears, the reason they didn't win a horrible NFC North in 2008 was their defense.

 

And please name me another WR2 in the league who hasn't caught a single pass as a pro.

 

The very fact that so few are objectively critiquing the trade signals to me that it ain't that great a deal at all. But I guess time will tell.

 

from an ff perspective, i don't like cutler in this situation. not because of the talent (so much) as the philosophy. the bears aren't going to have cutler do his gunslinger thing and heave the ball all over the field.

[Walter34 3]

Honestly, the most objective thing you can say is that it's potentially a good longterm move by the Bears.

 

From a PR perspective, it was a brilliant move.

 

From a purely football stance, not so much, at least not this year. Chicago's defense was a shell of it's former self. If they played anywhere near where they were supposed to, they win 11 games. The Cutler trade doesn't address the defensive shortcomings.

 

And Chicago's offense ain't exactly overflowing with talent. WR's? O-line? The truth is Olsen >> Scheffler and Forte >>> Denver's RBs. But to be fair, both Marshall and Royal were much much better than anything Chicago had at receiver.

 

And that's the point I don't get. Please show me a QB who puts up great numbers without receivers? Don't QBs need receivers, and vice versa? Until we see how he plays without skilled receivers, the truth is you don't know exactly what QB you got. I think that's being pretty fair.

 

Cutler can be a franchise QB and he's shown what he's capable of. But to automatically assume that level of play will translate to another team, with drastically different personnel, is a bit foolhardy.

 

Sorry to interrupt the Chicago circle jerk.

 

Not a good idea to jump in the middle of a circle jerk. Things can get sticky.

 

The D did play like sh!t last year and needs to play better. They should have fired the D coordinator, but just demoted him. Lovie will call the D this year. I also like adding Marinelli as the DLine coach. Overall, they had very few sacks for a team that blitzed so much and this needs to improve this year. Pressure makes any D play better as a whole. When you dont have it, even the best Ds will get burned.

 

They have several spots that need upgrading still, but they are a better team today than yesterday and have positioned themselves to be real contenders for the division rather than an average team.

 

They still need to look at upgrading WR, secondary and the pass rush. Overall, though, adding a franchise qb is perhaps the biggest move they have made in ages. Last year Minn got an impact player in Jared Allen and it raised them to the clear division leader. This could be that type of impact move for Chi.

[Darb33 0]

from an ff perspective, i don't like cutler in this situation. not because of the talent (so much) as the philosophy. the bears aren't going to have cutler do his gunslinger thing and heave the ball all over the field.

 

 

So if the Bears aren't going to take the reigns off and let him do his thing then why acquire him? They just gave up 2 1st's and a 3rd as well as their current starting quarterback to bring in a guy like Cutler and tell him to play like Orton!?!? Catch a clue.

 

Cutler is a great talent but until some pieces are put around him in Chicago this move doesn't do much for me. His best receiver is his tight end. Their wr core is mediocre at best. Offensive line isn't exactly top tier. And the defense is aging. Now add in the factor of the lost draft picks?? Sorry I don't see this as a playoff team in 2009.

[Cretins 22]

I don't get the comments about Cutler not being worth a 1st round pick. Simple question .. who would you rather have for your first round spot? A young QB that's made it to the Pro Bowl, or a rookie that's never played in the NFL yet is demanding an over inflated 1st round salary?

 

You know what you've got in Cutler, yet you're gambling with a rookie that could be a Flacco or a Tavaris Jackson.

 

I know where my vote would be! If I was a Bears fan, I'd be over the moon right now.

 

And no, I'm not a Chicago fan. In fact I don't like the trade from the fact that I was thinking of holding onto Cutler as one of my keepers next season. Not sure that he's worth the round now. They just need to find a decent WR to really make it all come together.

[swamp dog 0]

So if the Bears aren't going to take the reigns off and let him do his thing then why acquire him? They just gave up 2 1st's and a 3rd as well as their current starting quarterback to bring in a guy like Cutler and tell him to play like Orton!?!? Catch a clue.

 

Cutler is a great talent but until some pieces are put around him in Chicago this move doesn't do much for me. His best receiver is his tight end. Their wr core is mediocre at best. Offensive line isn't exactly top tier. And the defense is aging. Now add in the factor of the lost draft picks?? Sorry I don't see this as a playoff team in 2009.

 

well, dallas didn't have troy aikman heave the ball all over the field, either...aikman never was a very good ff qb in that system...but a pretty good nfl qb.

 

and no, i'm not comparing cutler to aikman or chicago to dallas...just pointing out that sometimes good qbs playing in certain systems--regardless if they're successful--don't make very good ff qbs.

 

i won't touch cutler in ff in this situation--but that's not a football knock on him at all.

[throttlers 0]

Some people just don't get it. It really isn't that hard. It's debateable whether or not the move makes the Bears a better team (I would side with those who say it does). But that wasn't the real point of the move now was it. The real point is that it sells tickets. In a time when the economy is rough and ticket sales are down all over, this gets Bears fans excited and keps butts in the seats this year.

 

Also, it keeps the Vikes from getting him which is a reason enough for the Bears to overpay a little.

 

FYI I'm not a bears fan.

[shovelheadt 71]

Surferskin lost this thread

 

 

But seriously. Great move for the Bears IMO, hope it works out for them. I'm not up on all the holes the Bears need to fill, but they sure as hell weren't going to get anyone of Cutler's stature with that 1st round pick. And throw out Orton..not like he'd see the field with Cutler there anyway. So it boils down to...

 

1st round pick - drafted Cutler

lost a 3rd

gained a 5th

lost a 1st next year.

 

I love it when teams take a chance. Hope it works out better than when the Bengals moved up to grab Kijana Carter.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Exactly.. NO player is worth that much.

 

Which unproven QBs coming out in a draft, going 1st overall are worth the money they get?

[shovelheadt 71]

Some people just don't get it. It really isn't that hard. It's debateable whether or not the move makes the Bears a better team (I would side with those who say it does). But that wasn't the real point of the move now was it. The real point is that it sells tickets. In a time when the economy is rough and ticket sales are down all over, this gets Bears fans excited and keps butts in the seats this year.

 

Also, it keeps the Vikes from getting him which is a reason enough for the Bears to overpay a little.

 

FYI I'm not a bears fan.

 

I agree with the Vikes/Lions scheme, but not so sure anyone was thinking about ticket sales when they were considering this move.

[mambokings 0]

The first problem I have with this deal for the Bears is that it comes many years too late. They've needed a good QB for the entire 21st century and they finally get one as the rest of their team is falling to pieces. They need help all over the field. Matt Forte was the lone bright spot for this team last season and Cutler doesn't automatically boost the passing game. They have no receivers! Forte lead the team in receptions last year and their Tight End was right behind...who is Cutler going to throw the ball to that Orton didn't?! Unless they plan to add something to the receiving corps, it's a sideways move and a waste of the guy's arm (not to mention two very expensive draft picks). They also need linemen and a whole lot of everything else. Getting Orlando Pace doesn't solve jack ****! I'll be surprised if that guy actually plays more than 1 game next season before he gets hurt again.

 

Let's also not forget how Cutler was a turnover machine last year (only Brett Favre threw more interceptions than he did) and he was playing in a superior offense with superior receivers. Oh, and that was BEFORE he was asked to chuck it around in the windy city for a team that has no pass protection and no one to catch the ball. As we all know, Chicago gets nasty during critical months of the season and I can't envision them doing anything differently from the past which is running the ball and playing it close to the vest. Which begs the question: what does Cutler really provide them which Orton couldn't? Public relations, I'm afraid; that is all. The Bears front office was stinging over neglecting the quarterback position for so many years they traded for Cutler to appease the fans. His passing ability will go to waste in this offense and playing in Chicago doesn't help matters because they'll go conservative during the winter months anyway. Denver will miss him, but the Bears will miss those draft picks a whole lot more.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Rome wasn't built in a day.

[VaTerp 0]

Some people just don't get it. It really isn't that hard. It's debateable whether or not the move makes the Bears a better team (I would side with those who say it does). But that wasn't the real point of the move now was it. The real point is that it sells tickets. In a time when the economy is rough and ticket sales are down all over, this gets Bears fans excited and keps butts in the seats this year.

 

No, this move was made b/c Bears GM Angelo stated that he was "fixated" on stabilizing the QB situation this off season and they believe it makes them a better team.

 

Considering that the Bears play in one of the largest markets, have a loyal fan base, and have sold out consecutively for the better part of three decades through bad teams and economic times, Id say that making the team better was the motivation and not ticket sales.

 

Not that I agree w/ the price they paid.

[Melissa Stark 1]

playing in Chicago doesn't help matters because they'll go conservative during the winter months anyway

 

The weather doesn't get bad in Denver and altitude

 

I'll give Da Bears the wind problems and the occasional fog

 

The Bears recieving corpse does leave something to be desired, but I like Cutler's chances in the NFC North.

I think he'll play steady this season(as good as last year)

[mambokings 0]

Rome wasn't built in a day

 

No, but it sure seems like it fell apart that quickly, once it was in decline...and that's where the Bears are: in decline. They have so many holes to fill, adding Cutler doesn't make them a better team. And by giving up so many high draft picks along with last year's starting quarterback they lose quite a few building blocks.

[Admiral Awesome 0]

That's awesome.

 

Hopefully the Bears will get a decent wide receiver on the waiver wire or sneak a brilliant move during the draft. Jay Cutler is one awesome, brilliant, and talented quarterback.