Remembering Katrina Spin off of 9/11 Thread

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

Got three main questions for you:

 

1- What caused the destruction?

2- Who's to blame for it?

3- Why was the response to rescue us so slow?

 

I'll respond accordingly. To each and every one. I want to know what you think. I fight every week with family as to why I stay.

[GettnHuge 2]

well hell, I'll bite.

 

Who is to blame is state politicians who instead of spending money on levees, used it for other things, figuring it

would never happen. The people who stayed had the same attitude. The poor evacuation falls on them as well.

 

 

The response was awful because of governor Blanco. What most people don't understand is that in natural disasters, the gov

of the state has authority. They request help from the feds, the feds come in, then they are in charge of the situation, not the

president. This applies to every state. After the disaster, the president cannot send in more help unless the governor requests

it. This isn't just heresay, it's the law.

 

After two days of nothing getting done, Bush went down there to ask governor Blanco to relinquish her authority to the feds so that

they can take control and bring in everything even the military to help. Her response was she needed 24hours to consider the request.

Bush's hands were still tied but he sent in general Honore anyway and he did get things moving better on the ground. The interview

with democrat mayor Nagin, who was there on air force one with Bush-Blanco, says it all. Fema does have to take a hit as well for

poor preparedness, but all they really needed was btter leadership from the governor's office and got nothing.

 

 

New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin told CNN's "American Morning" Monday that he met with Mr. Bush and Mrs. Blanco on Air Force One on Friday and implored the two to "get in sync."

 

"If you don't get in sync, more people are going to die," Mr. Nagin said.

 

Mr. Bush met privately first with Mrs. Blanco, then called Mr. Nagin in for a meeting.

 

"He called me in that office," Mr. Nagin said. "And he said, 'Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor.' I was ready to move. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision."

 

That decision was a request by Mr. Bush to allow the federal government to take over the evacuation of New Orleans, which had been marked by chaos for days. The Democratic governor, who has clashed behind the scenes with the Bush administration since the storm hit, refused.

[FlaHawker 24]

It was all Geroge Bush's fault. Bruce Springsteen said so...

[kpbuckeye 3]

do you know the black dude who was gathering up the Heinekens?

[NewbieJr 541]

The city's below sea level. That alone causes nightmare scenerios.

 

Yes, response was slow, but there aren't too many examples of natural disasters that are 100% prepared for. Sure, as someone who considers Bush to be the worst President in US history, it would be easy for me to point fingers at him or his adminastration, but it wouldn't have been any different if the exact same circumstances happened when Clinton was in office either.

 

I'm sure that history will now have us better prepared for next time, but that's not to say we would be 100% prepared.

[kutulu 1,724]

I remember being glad I didn't live it that shithole.

[NewbieJr 541]

I remember being glad I didn't live it that shithole.

Some coon-looter would have ransacked your Metallica collection after you fled.

[kutulu 1,724]

Some coon-looter would have ransacked your Metallica collection after you fled.

 

They'd have to pry them from my cold dead hands.

[Bert 1,129]

I'm sure that history will now have us better prepared for next time, but that's not to say we would be 100% prepared.

 

I wish you were correct but the history of New Orleans and Louisiana tells us it will not be any different the next time. The corruption is so deep and firmly ingrained in the politics of this city and such a large percentage of the population is unwilling to help them selves and is as equally unwilling to vote the corruptors out of office that nothing can be expected to change.

 

At least they have recovered from Katrina and reclaimed their title as murder capital of the country.

[NorthernVike 2,100]

Fargo flood

 

 

 

New Orleans flood

 

 

Nuf said

[NewbieJr 541]

Fargo flood

New Orleans flood

Nuf said

Bullseye!

[Mungwater 601]

I remember the New Orleans Thug All-Pro Team having a series of away games here in Houston..

 

Rita was the best thing to happen for us.

[NorthernVike 2,100]

I remember the New Orleans Thug All-Pro Team having a series of away games here in Houston..

 

Rita was the best thing to happen for us.

 

 

Have most of the Norleans trash left Houstor or are you stuck with them for life?

[Mungwater 601]

Have most of the Norleans trash left Houstor or are you stuck with them for life?

 

They bussed them out when we activated for Hurricane Rita.

 

Crime was unreal downtown, people getting jumped, murders spiked, cars broken into..

 

You probably won't find many Houstonians who are sympathetic to Katrina victims. I understand it was tragic, but you don't need to act like animals.

[NewbieJr 541]

They bussed them out when we activated for Hurricane Rita.

 

Crime was unreal downtown, people getting jumped, murders spiked, cars broken into..

 

You probably won't find many Houstonians who are sympathetic to Katrina victims. I understand it was tragic, but you don't need to act like animals.

So KAtrina was sort of like a cleansing?

[NorthernVike 2,100]

They bussed them out when we activated for Hurricane Rita.

 

Crime was unreal downtown, people getting jumped, murders spiked, cars broken into..

 

You probably won't find many Houstonians who are sympathetic to Katrina victims. I understand it was tragic, but you don't need to act like animals.

 

 

Why did'nt they take wiffleball with them?

[Bert 1,129]

They bussed them out when we activated for Hurricane Rita.

 

Crime was unreal downtown, people getting jumped, murders spiked, cars broken into..

 

You probably won't find many Houstonians who are sympathetic to Katrina victims. I understand it was tragic, but you don't need to act like animals.

 

 

 

And Ike seems to have scared off the ones that were left.

[Mungwater 601]

So KAtrina was sort of like a cleansing?

 

Rita was, and Ike was the power vac that finished the job.

[NewbieJr 541]

I'm not so sure that this thread has gone the way BunnyBalls had hoped.

[Mungwater 601]

I'm not so sure that this thread has gone the way BunnyBalls had hoped.

 

What did he expect? Heck, just in the thread title alone he's using 9/11 as a spinoff for Katrina.

 

I know it was extremely devastating to him personally, and I'm sympathetic, but nationally Katrina was news for about a week. Then it became all about the looting, using FEMA cards for strippers, living in government trailers for two plus years.. blah blah blah.

[Eagles Green 34]

Fargo flood

New Orleans flood

Nuf said

[wiffleball 4,797]

Yup, some good points in here.

 

As much as naming a guy who ran an Arabian Horse Farm to head up FEMA was a supreme act of political bullshiit and an utter fock-up, in retrospect, let's look at the options:

 

 

First off, understand the environment: NOLA is filled with some of the worst human trash in the country. They have niether the will nor the wherewithal to evacuate. By the time they had the will to evacuate, all the buses, cabs, drivers had already done their OWN evacuating. Even if this scum could evacuate, they didn't have the financial wherewithal to do so, nor the resources to rent hotel rooms, etc. once they did evacuate.

 

So, Bush could have (once he got off vacation): Declared martial law, suspended posse commitatus, overrode both state and local government - and forced ngers on to busses at gunpoint. Yeah, THAT would have gone well. No matter how bad Katrina was, the from the NOLA scum would override all common sense. Wonder how well photos like that would go with Kanye?

 

Or, he lets the incompetent nger Mayor & his equally dim-witted governor run the show - and Bush gets all the blame. Hell, the ngers even RE-ELECTED Naggin after all that massive flail. Marion Berry much??

 

It was a lose-lose situation for him. And no, I'd tend to believe that most of the scum that left NOLA is still here. Our murder rate went up something like 21% - and they could track every single murder to either a victim and/or perpetrator from evacuee. Hell, they got free housing for YEARS! FEMA kept saying they were done with TEMPORARY housing assistance and the NOLA scum would file a lawsuit. If you've sucked off the government tiit your whole life, this was a focking banner event in your life. Debit cards, free rent, free utilities, free transportation - best focking thing that ever happened to this scum - and urban redevelopment for NOLA itself.

 

NOLA needed to be flooded just to soak the urine and puke-stained streets and alleys back to relative cleanliness.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Kartina and 9/11 just don't live in the same part of my brain.

 

I don't believe they belong being mentioned together.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Got three main questions for you:

 

1- What caused the destruction?

2- Who's to blame for it?

3- Why was the response to rescue us so slow?

 

I'll respond accordingly. To each and every one. I want to know what you think. I fight every week with family as to why I stay.

 

1. The focking HURRICANE!

 

2. Uh, God?

 

3. Why the fock did you need to be rescued? What part of MANDATORY EVACUATION DID YOU STUPID MOTHERFOCKERS NOT GET?

 

Threatened with a potential catastrophe, the mayor of New Orleans ordered people in the city to evacuate today as Hurricane Katrina gained strength. President Bush has already declared an emergency for Louisiana and Mississippi, which along with other parts of the northern Gulf coast states lie in the direction of the hurricane.

 

The city's distinct terrain makes it particularly vulnerable to the storm surges, heavy rains and high winds of a hurricane. With more than a million people in its suburbs and center, the city is surrounded on three sides by water, and lies below sea level in a bowl-shaped basin. Pumps would fail if the storm surge of up to 25 feet overwhelmed the city's levees.

 

Geeus motherfocking Christ. You people act like you're the only ones who've every been hit by a focking hurricane. The difference is the stupidity and low-class of the 'victims' in LA compared to Florida, Texas, Mississippi.

[wiffleball 4,797]

I wish you were correct but the history of New Orleans and Louisiana tells us it will not be any different the next time. The corruption is so deep and firmly ingrained in the politics of this city and such a large percentage of the population is unwilling to help them selves and is as equally unwilling to vote the corruptors out of office that nothing can be expected to change.

 

At least they have recovered from Katrina and reclaimed their title as murder capital of the country.

 

Yup. All you have to do is look at how much still hasn't been done - after BiLLIONS in aid has poured in.

[NewbieJr 541]

Yup. All you have to do is look at how much still hasn't been done - after BiLLIONS in aid has poured in.

I bet Colt 45 consumption has gone way up, though.

[GettnHuge 2]

So, Bush could have (once he got off vacation): Declared martial law, suspended posse commitatus, overrode both state and local government - and forced ngers on to busses at gunpoint. Yeah, THAT would have gone well. No matter how bad Katrina was, the from the NOLA scum would override all common sense. Wonder how well photos like that would go with Kanye?

 

Or, he lets the incompetent nger Mayor & his equally dim-witted governor run the show - and Bush gets all the blame. Hell, the ngers even RE-ELECTED Naggin after all that massive flail. Marion Berry much??

 

Blanco got the boot, though.

 

overrode both state and local gov't? Why not just set the constitution aflame while you're at it

[wiffleball 4,797]

Blanco got the boot, though.

 

overrode both state and local gov't? Why not just set the constitution aflame while you're at it

 

exactly. he would've been lambasted no matter what he did.

[nobody 2,933]

Got three main questions for you:

 

1- What caused the destruction?

2- Who's to blame for it?

3- Why was the response to rescue us so slow?

 

I'll respond accordingly. To each and every one. I want to know what you think. I fight every week with family as to why I stay.

 

1. Poorly maintained infrastructure

2. Citizens of New Orleans and it's government

3. ineffectual leadership at all levels of government

[SUXBNME 1,625]

1. The focking HURRICANE!

 

2. Uh, God?

 

3. Why the fock did you need to be rescued? What part of MANDATORY EVACUATION DID YOU STUPID MOTHERFOCKERS NOT GET?

 

This seems to be the correct anwser

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

well hell, I'll bite.

 

Who is to blame is state politicians who instead of spending money on levees, used it for other things, figuring it

would never happen. The people who stayed had the same attitude. The poor evacuation falls on them as well.

 

 

The response was awful because of governor Blanco. What most people don't understand is that in natural disasters, the gov

of the state has authority. They request help from the feds, the feds come in, then they are in charge of the situation, not the

president. This applies to every state. After the disaster, the president cannot send in more help unless the governor requests

it. This isn't just heresay, it's the law.

 

After two days of nothing getting done, Bush went down there to ask governor Blanco to relinquish her authority to the feds so that

they can take control and bring in everything even the military to help. Her response was she needed 24hours to consider the request.

Bush's hands were still tied but he sent in general Honore anyway and he did get things moving better on the ground. The interview

with democrat mayor Nagin, who was there on air force one with Bush-Blanco, says it all. Fema does have to take a hit as well for

poor preparedness, but all they really needed was btter leadership from the governor's office and got nothing.

 

 

New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin told CNN's "American Morning" Monday that he met with Mr. Bush and Mrs. Blanco on Air Force One on Friday and implored the two to "get in sync."

 

"If you don't get in sync, more people are going to die," Mr. Nagin said.

 

Mr. Bush met privately first with Mrs. Blanco, then called Mr. Nagin in for a meeting.

 

"He called me in that office," Mr. Nagin said. "And he said, 'Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor.' I was ready to move. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision."

 

That decision was a request by Mr. Bush to allow the federal government to take over the evacuation of New Orleans, which had been marked by chaos for days. The Democratic governor, who has clashed behind the scenes with the Bush administration since the storm hit, refused.

 

 

Bingo!!! Blanco was a school teacher and grandmother who got elected Governor because of her husbands political connections. Imagine your third grade teacher running a back alley craps game with the hall of fame street hustlers. And Lreoy Brown wasn't the baddest of the bad in the (HOF) alley.

 

For over fifty years, we were told that the levee system was in tact and solid by the Army (Corpse) of Engineers. The soil they drove the levee pillings in on the 17th St Canal, London Canal, and Industrial Canal, the ones that all failed, the I-walls were driven into soil that they knew wouldn't hold up. Generations past and present, failed miserably here to get the proper work done. We accepted their word, and went on. Epic fail on our part!!! We are learning that the levee inspectors inspected for fifteen hours a week, and ate lunch the same amount of time. And tripled that time drinking while getting paid.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

do you know the black dude who was gathering up the Heinekens?

 

 

The funniest pic to come out of it all. There was a radio guy who offered a lifetime supply of Heinekens to the man in the pic if he came forward. The pic was doctored, he just wanted him on the show to see how he was doing and to ask if he knew he was famous. Rumors are, the Heineken destroyed what was left of his liver after years of King Cobra consumption.

[pimptastic69 0]

Bingo!!! Blanco was a school teacher and grandmother who got elected Governor because of her husbands political connections. Imagine your third grade teacher running a back alley craps game with the hall of fame street hustlers. And Lreoy Brown wasn't the baddest of the bad in the (HOF) alley.

 

For over fifty years, we were told that the levee system was in tact and solid by the Army (Corpse) of Engineers. The soil they drove the levee pillings in on the 17th St Canal, London Canal, and Industrial Canal, the ones that all failed, the I-walls were driven into soil that they knew wouldn't hold up. Generations past and present, failed miserably here to get the proper work done. We accepted their word, and went on. Epic fail on our part!!! We are learning that the levee inspectors inspected for fifteen hours a week, and ate lunch the same amount of time. And tripled that time drinking while getting paid.

 

You're failing so see the "everyone get out" part. The place was going to flood no matter what.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

It was all Geroge Bush's fault. Bruce Springsteen said so...

 

 

Pee wee Herman said it best in a Cheech and Chong movie: "Bruuuuuuce. He's fawking it all up!!!!"

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

The city's below sea level. That alone causes nightmare scenerios.

 

Yes, response was slow, but there aren't too many examples of natural disasters that are 100% prepared for. Sure, as someone who considers Bush to be the worst President in US history, it would be easy for me to point fingers at him or his adminastration, but it wouldn't have been any different if the exact same circumstances happened when Clinton was in office either.

 

I'm sure that history will now have us better prepared for next time, but that's not to say we would be 100% prepared.

 

 

The house I grew up in was nine feet below sea level. When I was ten, I did survey work with a friend and his dad on the weekends. Held the survey stick and made a few bucks. He told my dad that the Lake Ponchatrain shoreline was even with our gutters. A quarter mile away. And that was in the suburbs. 70% of the entire greater New Orleans area is below sea level. It wasn't a matter of if, but when a major storm would come through and possibly flood the city.

 

The response was slow. And your right, it wouldn't have mattered what Prez was in charge. It all starts from the plans your own city lays out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes. I was molested by my friends dad while holding the pole!

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

I remember being glad I didn't live it that shithole.

 

 

It is a sh!thole for many reasons. I would never recomend anyone coming here to raise a family. It's a great place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live here if you didn't grow up here. I love to eat, drink, and enjoy life. I know all of you do also. I just don't know any better or don't care to expand. And that's on me. I have a good job. I love to drink, eat, and drink some more. We drink a lot to ignore all the sh!t. Have too. There is always a party to be found here and the majority of hosts will welcome you with open arms to attend. I have been around the country and am stuck on stupid I guees.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

Some coon-looter would have ransacked your Metallica collection after you fled.

 

 

Nope. The looters were fawking stoopid. They broke into the D-Day Museum and stole t-shirts. There were vintage WWII guns and every other imaginable item for the taking. And they stole t-shirts, key chains, and coffee mugs. The one time I was glad history wasn't being taught in the public schools. There was a Vietnam Vet there by himself doing security, secluded on the second floor where all the good stuff is, waiting for the looters. They never went upstairs.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

I wish you were correct but the history of New Orleans and Louisiana tells us it will not be any different the next time. The corruption is so deep and firmly ingrained in the politics of this city and such a large percentage of the population is unwilling to help them selves and is as equally unwilling to vote the corruptors out of office that nothing can be expected to change.

 

At least they have recovered from Katrina and reclaimed their title as murder capital of the country.

 

 

Jim Letten is changing that. He is going after corruption. Just ask Dollar Bill Jefferson. It was Letten who began the case against him. Jindal is also changing the way Louisiana does business. In and out of politics. We are trying. Having the national spotlight can have a good effect. It takes time to undo what has been the La way. That goes for any corrupt goverment.

 

The drug dealers are killing drug dealers. It's street justice. They murder each other. And I don't really care. I work in the worst neighborhoods and feel sorry for the women and children who are affected by it all. But they don't care enough to help themselves, so why should I? I have had two guns pointed at me and a knife. I was saved by an eighty year old woman when the knife was put to my stomach. She told the kid "Bryant, go home you little fawk! This man is trying to help us!" She blessed me a year later when I brought her a two piece with biscuits from Popeyes. Always remember the ones that got you through the mess you found yourself in because of stupidity!!!

[peenie 2,005]

my coworker is from chalmette (not sure of spelling). she is very interesting and explains that where she lived it was very segregated. she said that n.o. is racist and that it wasn't until she moved to georgia that she saw large amounts of middle class blacks.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

Fargo flood

 

 

 

New Orleans flood

 

 

Nuf said

 

 

My wifes mall was set on fire. She lost her job for three years because of them. They used candles to light their way to steal Guci Purses. And then threw them on the ground to start the fires. They could have blew them out. Too fawking selfless to do that though.

 

I imagine Fargo would have had the same problems if you had the same citizens we HAD. There were many acts of heroism and kindess here. The media didn't show you many of those. Those pics show the worst of the worst. And I am so fawking embarassed about them. i was so fawking ashamed, but knew one thing: Me and many others did a lot that were not ever noticed. And that was fine by us. I don't blame you for thinking the way you do! I would too!