Is Steve McNair the most overrated QB ever?

[kilroy69 1,252]

 

Wow. You breally do hate Eli. Anyone who disagrees with you on it, you wish dead. This is serious stuff to you, huh?

"You probably shouldn't comment on football. You seem pretty clueless."

 

My wishing you hung yourself has little to do with ELI and more to do with the previous statement.

[NewbieJr 541]

"You probably shouldn't comment on football. You seem pretty clueless."

 

My wishing you hung yourself has little to do with ELI and more to do with the previous statement.

"Without Plax, eli is a piece of sh!t"

"I'd rather have a dead McNair than a live Eli"

 

 

Sorry. If you watched that Super Bowl the Giants entire post season run, you'd know that Eli had much, much, much to do with why they won that championship.

 

Maybe if the discussion turned to something other than Eli, you'd come across a bit more klnowledgable. From what I've read here, I stand by my statement.

[kilroy69 1,252]

"Without Plax, eli is a piece of sh!t"

"I'd rather have a dead McNair than a live Eli"

Sorry. If you watched that Super Bowl the Giants entire post season run, you'd know that Eli had much, much, much to do with why they won that championship.

 

Maybe if the discussion turned to something other than Eli, you'd come across a bit more klnowledgable. From what I've read here, I stand by my statement.

And I stand by my statement wishing you would kill yourself. SOOOOO were even.

[NewbieJr 541]

And I stand by my statement wishing you would kill yourself. SOOOOO were even.

 

I see a wittle pussie who got his wittle feewings hurt.

 

So sorry my sensitive wittle buddy.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The stats and post season performance support that fact.

 

Not really...nor is it a fact.

Why just take passing stats? Do you not realize he was mostly a running QB for most of his career? Why did you leave out those stats?

How about the year they went to the Super Bowl and his game against Jax?

How about the FACT that the guy actually did win an MVP. Funny, I bet there are plenty of QBs people think are better than him that never won such an award or even got their team to the SB.

[kilroy69 1,252]

 

I see a wittle pussie who got his wittle feewings hurt.

 

So sorry my sensitive wittle buddy.

And I see a c0cksucker that should hang himself in the closet.

[gocolts 300]

And ELI's stats look like someone who had a great ground game and a HUGE target in PLAX.

 

Without plax eli is a piece of dogsh!t.

You can't be serious. Plax is the one who is overrated. Without Eli, he would be, like he was in Pitt. I am surprised Eli has done as well as he has with Plax being Eli's main target. Hell, he even won a ring with focking Plaxico, which speaks volumes about Eli. Plus, as someone already mentioned, he beat what many thought was the best team ever. An overrated QB could not do that. Not on his best day.

[Yer mom 2]

I agree with Newbie, anyone who disagrees is just DUMB. As a die hard Niner fan, Jerry Rice might be the most overrated POS ever, he played at Mississippi Valley focking State

 

Uhh, division 1A?......LOSER!!!

 

I dont know what people saw in that guy

[NewbieJr 541]

Kilroy's taking a beating here.

 

Careful guys. He'll want all of you to hang yourself. If enough people kill themselves, the idiot may actually win an argument once in a while. Bwahahahah.

[kilroy69 1,252]

Kilroy's taking a beating here.

 

Careful guys. He'll want all of you to hang yourself. If enough people kill themselves, the idiot may actually win an argument once in a while. Bwahahahah.

Nahh, just you pr!ck.

[NewbieJr 541]

Nahh, just you pr!ck.

[Q.T. 5]

Marinovich was obviously worse than McNair. A lot of guys were. But for some reason, a few people want to talk about McNair like he was a great QB. He just wasn't. He was supposed to be the savior when Baltimore acquired him and he couldn't even hold on to the starting job. He was a very good quarterback for a three year period, but overall, his NFL career was a disappointment.

 

I would agree that people who represent McNair as if his whole career was the same as his MVP year tend to overrate McNair. He had trouble staying healthy, and needed both the talent and system around him to produce at the highest level ... therefore, I don't think he's in the same category as Steve Young, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, etc.

 

However, the statement "most overrated QB ever" isn't even true for the last 20 years. In addition to Marinovich, how about Ryan Leaf?

[NewbieJr 541]

I would agree that people who represent McNair as if his whole career was the same as his MVP year tend to overrate McNair. He had trouble staying healthy, and needed both the talent and system around him to produce at the highest level ... therefore, I don't think he's in the same category as Steve Young, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, etc.

 

However, the statement "most overrated QB ever" isn't even true for the last 20 years. In addition to Marinovich, how about Ryan Leaf?

They were overrated before their NFL careers started, but it was quickly discovered that tehy were bums. McNair seemed to reap teh benefits of that one really good year for his entire career. Like I said, I can still remember 'the experts' saying that Baltimore finally had a great QB to go with that great defense when tehy picked him up. He still got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs that year.

 

I don't think he sucked, but he was never a top quarterback in the league. Some people still consider him to be HOF worthy. (although I do think he'll get in thanks to this early-death-thingy).

[remote controller 143]

bumped for more discussion

[edjr 6,643]

McNair is up there, for sure.

 

had Vince Young played a little longer, he would be up for the title.

 

#1 is still Peyton Manning.

 

Who has done less with more?

[Q.T. 5]

They were overrated before their NFL careers started, but it was quickly discovered that tehy were bums. McNair seemed to reap teh benefits of that one really good year for his entire career. Like I said, I can still remember 'the experts' saying that Baltimore finally had a great QB to go with that great defense when tehy picked him up. He still got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs that year.

 

I don't think he sucked, but he was never a top quarterback in the league. Some people still consider him to be HOF worthy. (although I do think he'll get in thanks to this early-death-thingy).

 

OK, so you mean "most overrated QB based on entire NFL career".

 

Still agree that folks have and may still be overhyping him, but consider:

 

McNair Career Stats (13 years, 161 games)

TDS 174

INT 119

YDS 31,304

Rushing: 3,590

RTG 82.8

Post season: 5-5, 66.7

 

HOF'R Aikman (12 years, 165 games)

TD: 165

Int: 141

Yds: 32,942

Rushing: 1,016

Rate: 81.6

Post season: 11-5, 88.3 rating

 

HOF'R Jim KELLY (11years, 160 games)

TD: 237

Int: 175

Yds: 35,467

Rate: 84.4

Postseason: 9-8, including 4 Superbowl losses, 72.3 rating

 

John Elway: 79.9 career rating

 

 

So, I guess the question of most overrated is not as brilliantly clear cut, unless we agree to use performance in playoffs as the heaviest criteria. But not just the superbowl obviously. Still, I'd rather have Brady or Montana.

[heavy-set 39]

OK, so you mean "most overrated QB based on entire NFL career".

 

Still agree that folks have and may still be overhyping him, but consider:

 

McNair Career Stats (13 years, 161 games)

TDS 174

INT 119

YDS 31,304

Rushing: 3,590

RTG 82.8

Post season: 5-5, 66.7

 

HOF'R Aikman (12 years, 165 games)

TD: 165

Int: 141

Yds: 32,942

Rushing: 1,016

Rate: 81.6

Post season: 11-5, 88.3 rating

 

HOF'R Jim KELLY (11years, 160 games)

TD: 237

Int: 175

Yds: 35,467

Rate: 84.4

Postseason: 9-8, including 4 Superbowl losses, 72.3 rating

 

John Elway: 79.9 career rating

So, I guess the question of most overrated is not as brilliantly clear cut, unless we agree to use performance in playoffs as the heaviest criteria. But not just the superbowl obviously. Still, I'd rather have Brady or Montana.

 

stats really mean nothing in the NFL hall of fame. It really is based on Fame. the potseason matters greatly and the above qbs did much more than mcnair.

then you must eneter the politics of it, who else is in the class with mcnair. weak class, he may get in, strong class, no way.

 

what kelly did, athough he never won, was historic. 4 str8 tips

aikman has 3 rings.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I just don't even know where to begin.

[Franknbeans 46]

No, but this should end the Pennington-McNair debate

[edjr 6,643]

No, but this should end the Pennington-McNair debate

 

With a bullet

[listen2me 23 1,896]

 

You are turning into the little kid of the boRed. Not Pimptaddy like, but annoying like him.

[MedStudent 56]

He may have been a bit overrated. I think most black qb's are pretty overrated. Mcnabb and Vick are two others that come to mind.

 

McNair will never make the HOF.

[listen2me 23 1,896]

He may have been a bit overrated. I think most black qb's are pretty overrated. Mcnabb and Vick are two others that come to mind.

 

McNair will never make the HOF.

 

I agree with this.

 

And at the same time I don't hear people overrating him? Maybe I just haven't watch as much of the coverage on it. But all I hear is he defined tough and led the Titans to their only SB appearance. I haven't heard anyone call him a HOFer or even a Great QB. I have heard great heart, leadership, and toughness. Maybe I just missed something?

[kpbuckeye 3]

I agree with this.

 

And at the same time I don't hear people overrating him? Maybe I just haven't watch as much of the coverage on it. But all I hear is he defined tough and led the Titans to their only SB appearance. I haven't heard anyone call him a HOFer or even a Great QB. I have heard great heart, leadership, and toughness. Maybe I just missed something?

 

you haven't missed anything, no one has. this is just newbie taking another step towards total doucheness.

[shovelheadt 71]

Anyone who's played with him seems to think he was underrated. I liked watching the guy play. It did get to the point late in his career tho, where I hoped he would be playing because it gave the Bengals a better chance. Seemed he was always injured.

[Q.T. 5]

stats really mean nothing in the NFL hall of fame. It really is based on Fame. the potseason matters greatly and the above qbs did much more than mcnair.

then you must eneter the politics of it, who else is in the class with mcnair. weak class, he may get in, strong class, no way.

 

what kelly did, athough he never won, was historic. 4 str8 tips

aikman has 3 rings.

 

OK, so maybe we should table this discussion until he does or doesn't get in the HOF. Then we can maybe find out if getting murdered creates fame.

[kutulu 1,687]

Barring a change of mind by voters, former Ravens quarterback Steve McNair will not be enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. In The Baltimore Sun's poll of selectors this week, the three-time Pro Bowl player would fail to gain the 80 percent approval needed for election. Seventeen of the 24 voters who responded to The Sun - the committee has 44 members - said they did not consider McNair a Hall of Fame quarterback because he lacked elite career numbers. McNair, who was shot and killed Saturday, is eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2013.

~Baltimore Sun

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Is Steve a HOF'er? Not in my opinion, no. But as a Titans fan, he is one of my favorite all time players. If you look up "sacrifice your body" in the dictionary, you will see McNair's pic. He truly gave it his all 100% of the time.

 

He is also one of the few "mobile" QB's that was able to make a successful transition to a pocket passer. (Donnovan McNabb being the other) His problem was, by the time he made that transition, his body was toast, and he had to hang em up.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Yeah, I don't even get this tread at all. McNair isn't even in the top 20 most over-rated QB's ever. He was never looked at as a 'great QB' like the Elway/Montana/Brady's of the world. He is known as a tough, really good QB, that for about 5-6 years of his prime was one of the better one's in the league. That is exactly what he was. I don't understand this thread.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yeah, I don't even get this tread at all. McNair isn't even in the top 20 most over-rated QB's ever. He was never looked at as a 'great QB' like the Elway/Montana/Brady's of the world. He is known as a tough, really good QB, that for about 5-6 years of his prime was one of the better one's in the league. That is exactly what he was. I don't understand this thread.

 

If anyone else had started it, Id think huge fishing trip...but Newbie has been on a run of ignorance about most sports...so Im just going to chalk it up to him going insane.

[parrot 789]

Yeah, I don't even get this tread at all. McNair isn't even in the top 20 most over-rated QB's ever. He was never looked at as a 'great QB' like the Elway/Montana/Brady's of the world. He is known as a tough, really good QB, that for about 5-6 years of his prime was one of the better one's in the league. That is exactly what he was. I don't understand this thread.

 

Another fishing trip from the guy with nothing better to do?