davidbostonisgood 2 Posted August 26, 2009 Exactly, drop Crabtree ( sorry I'm in a keep 6 league). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted August 26, 2009 Reality is that a bad Brownies team is relying on an old, heavily used "big" RB with a history of bad ankles and a ton of miles on him. Jamal is one of the PRIME pieces of evidence of the curse of high carries and has never been the same RB after his won the rushing title and then broke down. About 6 games into the season the Brownies will be out of the playoff hunt and turn to the youth movement and Davis will get his shot. Nobody had Steve Slaton on their radar last year either. I'm not saying that Davis will be this years Slaton, because the offensive weapons in Cleveland are not nearly what Slaton has in Houston. But lets use best case scenario. Lets say that either Quinn plays well or Anderson returns to what he did 2 years ago, Braylon returns to what he did 2 years ago and one of the rookies steps on the other side of Braylon. Whoever is in the backfield is going to have a lot of room to run if the offense opens up. Yes, it's unlikely to happen, but it was less likely 2 years ago without a good young talent back there. If you jump on a guy who might get hot in the last few weeks of the season, the 14th round pick spent now is well worth the price. That's a lot of What ifs man. I'm not opposed to saying Davis will become the starter at some point this year, because I think it will happen. As far as all the what if's...... I'd say maybe one of the what if's will come true. Not sure which one at this point.... but that is probably where I draw the line. I can See Davis being a starter. I just dont know how quick it is going to happen. I dont think he will take the league by storm like Slaton did, cuz the team around him kinda sucks, but I can see him being a halfway decent RB2 once he gets the starting job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted August 26, 2009 That's a lot of What ifs man. I'm not opposed to saying Davis will become the starter at some point this year, because I think it will happen. As far as all the what if's...... I'd say maybe one of the what if's will come true. Not sure which one at this point.... but that is probably where I draw the line. I can See Davis being a starter. I just dont know how quick it is going to happen. I dont think he will take the league by storm like Slaton did, cuz the team around him kinda sucks, but I can see him being a halfway decent RB2 once he gets the starting job. yeah, of course it's a lot of what-if's. but the point is that the scenario is similar, not the same, but similar. I'm not banking on Davis as my #3RB or anything, but as a guy you can get as a #5 that may be starting on his team shortly, it's not a bad pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RamslovaMartzhata 3 Posted August 26, 2009 Reality is that a bad Brownies team is relying on an old, heavily used "big" RB with a history of bad ankles and a ton of miles on him. Jamal is one of the PRIME pieces of evidence of the curse of high carries and has never been the same RB after his won the rushing title and then broke down. About 6 games into the season the Brownies will be out of the playoff hunt and turn to the youth movement and Davis will get his shot. Nobody had Steve Slaton on their radar last year either. I'm not saying that Davis will be this years Slaton, because the offensive weapons in Cleveland are not nearly what Slaton has in Houston. But lets use best case scenario. Lets say that either Quinn plays well or Anderson returns to what he did 2 years ago, Braylon returns to what he did 2 years ago and one of the rookies steps on the other side of Braylon. Whoever is in the backfield is going to have a lot of room to run if the offense opens up. Yes, it's unlikely to happen, but it was less likely 2 years ago without a good young talent back there. If you jump on a guy who might get hot in the last few weeks of the season, the 14th round pick spent now is well worth the price. Steve Slaton was on my radar last year, and I drafted him... For another owner who was too drunk to pay attention and told me to pick a player for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted August 26, 2009 Steve Slaton was on my radar last year, and I drafted him... For another owner who was too drunk to pay attention and told me to pick a player for him. ouch, i bet that scar on your forehead from that one still burns everytime someone mentions him eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dksmith17380 0 Posted August 26, 2009 Via Daniel Jeremiah's(Brown's scout 2007-2008) twitter yesterday: @MoveTheSticks "James Davis getting more reps isn't window dressing. He is going to cut into Jamal's load early in 09." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenunderthegills 0 Posted August 26, 2009 I think the comparison of Davis to Slaton is very good. Neither had blazing speed at the NFL combine. Both had senior years that were disappointing. Neither were drafted highly by their respective NFL teams. The Texans were thought to be a one-man show offensively, AJ; nobody expects anything out of Cleveland. Both Davis and Slaton went/or will go very late in most ff drafts because no one knew what role they'd play. Davis has shown he can run and cut and catch the ball. Now if he works on picking up the blitz, he should be able to overtake one of the two worst starting RBs in the league (Hightower being the other). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted August 26, 2009 ouch, i bet that scar on your forehead from that one still burns everytime someone mentions him eh? I picked him(Slaton) up for myself in an auction draft for my keeper league for a dollar last year. by that point in the draft everyone had their teams in place and nobody bid against me. best value play I made all year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston Three Party 6 Posted August 28, 2009 I'm officially aboard the Davis train. His value is sleeping on my bench until further notice/trade bait. I am so stacked with RB's but content I have sucked the pond dry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted August 28, 2009 UPDATE!@#$! James has moved all the way up to 79th in the FFtoday rankings (was 99th two weeks ago). Mr. Davis has a ADP in the 13th round as well. Congratulations to all those that were able to snag him in the 15th and 16th rounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted August 28, 2009 will you people shut the hell up??? my long time league doesn't draft until next saturday (fockin bunch of tards...who the hell waits until the last preseason weekend AND screws up labor day all at once???). somebody delete this thread and never speak of it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidbostonisgood 2 Posted August 28, 2009 James Davis is Awesome! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Four More Beers 0 Posted August 28, 2009 I was on the Davis train early on, but now I think he might actually have become overrated. He's not Steve Slaton and his ceiling isn't anywhere near Slaton's. He's a decent talent in a situation where he has a great opportunity, not a great talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted August 28, 2009 I was on the Davis train early on, but now I think he might actually have become overrated. He's not Steve Slaton and his ceiling isn't anywhere near Slaton's. He's a decent talent in a situation where he has a great opportunity, not a great talent. Listen here Switzerland, there is no middle ground here. You're either with us or against us. Pick one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted August 28, 2009 I was on the Davis train early on, but now I think he might actually have become overrated. He's not Steve Slaton and his ceiling isn't anywhere near Slaton's. He's a decent talent in a situation where he has a great opportunity, not a great talent. How is a guy getting drafted at the very end of everyone's draft getting an overrated tag? Does not compute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston Three Party 6 Posted August 31, 2009 BTP stands 2/4 on the James Davis hustle (with 2 drafts to go) and laughs at everyone acquiring Jamal "Brickbreaker" Lewis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 128 Posted August 31, 2009 This interests me. Let's say everyone in the backfield in CLE stays healthy (Lewis is superior to Ahman Green in that regard, right?). And consider that Mangini may use a similar offensive style to what he employed at NY. Who's the Thomas Jones and who's the Leon Washington here? Jamal's not either of those guys. Davis is Jones and Harrison is Washington. You should be looking at TJones, not Slaton. But it will take time to move Lewis to more of a short yardage back, which also would make sense for his age. So I think you have a point, maybe just not right away. Add: short answer, I buy it, and I'm on this bandwagon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston Three Party 6 Posted September 1, 2009 WELL. WELL. WELL. http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=348676 Paging KSB! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RSersen 0 Posted September 1, 2009 WELL. WELL. WELL. http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=348676 Paging KSB! What about it? Just more proof that this bandwagon is getting way too ahead of itself....and I'm on the damn thing. Jamal Lewis is not getting cut. Guaranteed. Just because some guy writes about the possibility of it on Rotoworld doesn't mean jack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DamageIncVacc 6 Posted September 1, 2009 I am debating dropping Tim Hightower for him. Tim is my #5 back so its not such a bad idea i suppose. I do not think jamal will get cut but Davis had alot of carries with the 1st team last week. and looked twice as good as lewis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Need2Know 0 Posted September 1, 2009 I drafted Davis in the 15th round and if he pans out thats fantastic. if he doesn't I wont really give a crap cause hes my 5th rb. If I do need to make a move in my league though, hes looking like one of the first guys to get cut....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted September 1, 2009 Is Jamal Lewis getting cut? I highly doubt it. He has value to that franchise and isn't totally washed up. However the fact that it is even debatable says everything you need to know about the future of the Browns backfield. One mis-step by Jamal, or one pulled hammy, or one disciplinary action and our boy James 'Choo Choo' Davis will step in. It might not be week one, or even week four, but it will happen this year. Even Jamal himself sees the light and realizes that there might be a new sheriff in town: Browns RB Jamal Lewis dismissed the notion that his ego might be bruised if he must share the workload this year or in the future. "Look at my numbers and what I've done in my career," he said. "I don't think that could hurt my ego at all. I've accomplished a lot." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted September 1, 2009 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I'm driving the bandwagon. Come on in, the waters warm!@#! Riding Shotgun: jgcrawfish On Board Kent We Tigers Zachary (fftoday writer) RamslovaMartzhata Monk81 titans&bucs&bearsohmy Turf CamelToe The Next Generation davidbostonisgood BostonThreeParty DamageIncVacc RSeren SaintsInDome2006 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, the bandwagon is starting to fill up. Only a few more spots. Let me know ASAP if you wan't on as only bandwagoneers that jump on pre-season get unlimitied smack talking rights. Anybody that waits until after JD blows up to try and get on will be shunned. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted September 1, 2009 I was on the Davis train early on, but now I think he might actually have become overrated. He's not Steve Slaton and his ceiling isn't anywhere near Slaton's. He's a decent talent in a situation where he has a great opportunity, not a great talent. so you are saying he is more like this years Tim Hightower. he will get a chance to start a couple of games, but likely wont make a big splash. that was my analysis. or he may be somewhere in between. He may start, put up adequate numbers. draft as your #4 hoping you can use him as a #2 or #3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted September 1, 2009 draft as your #4 hoping you can use him as a #2 or #3. I drafted him as my RB#5 in a 14-teamer. Lookin good.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 1, 2009 I took Lewis late because I was going to take Davis in the last....and some other owner grabbed him! NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I forgot that the owner went to Clemson! I should've known better! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaTerp 0 Posted September 1, 2009 I was all set to draft Davis and passed on him for a 3rd QB (deep rosters) thinking he would be there a round later. Have another draft tonite and Im going to take him. KSB, last year you were with me on Chris Johnson. This year Im with you on Davis. Lets Ride!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted September 1, 2009 Lets Ride!!! I think it's time for James Davis to get a nickname. Any suggestions? I'll start: Choo Choo JD1 The Steamer (Cleveland Steamer) :giggle: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
De Novo 0 Posted September 1, 2009 Threads like this cause guys to become overvalued. He'll go in the 8th or 9th round of a lot of drafts, ahead of guys who are better, because it feels good to be that guy who KNEW so and so was going to blow up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted September 1, 2009 I think it's time for James Davis to get a nickname. Any suggestions? I'll start: Choo Choo JD1 The Steamer (Cleveland Steamer) :giggle: oh hell no, there are already WAY too many of the ghey nicknames running around. It's no wonder that everybody who doesn't play fantasy football thinks that everybody who does is a geek. What are they supposed to say when they hear conversations with "All Day Peterson" , "Mo-Jo", "D-Wil", "Megatron" and other phagtastic crap like that in it. You tards give us a bad rep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted September 1, 2009 oh hell no, there are already WAY too many of the ghey nicknames running around. It's no wonder that everybody who doesn't play fantasy football thinks that everybody who does is a geek. What are they supposed to say when they hear conversations with "All Day Peterson" , "Mo-Jo", "D-Wil", "Megatron" and other phagtastic crap like that in it. You tards give us a bad rep. Okay so you don't like those, gotcha. What about Prince James? You know since LeBron is King James in Cleveland, then Davis is the Prince. Prince James!@#! Whatcha think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,589 Posted September 2, 2009 im on board, in my first draft I took him in rnd 14 to a bunch of who???????'s my 2nd draft I took him rnd 12 to a bunch of NICE PICK!!!!'s my 3rd draft I took him rnd 11 with no response (online draft) my 4th draft is thursday and I plan on taking him with rnd 10 pick, if someone else takes him higher now they can have him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jpcdds 21 Posted September 2, 2009 James Davis is the most interesting footballer in the world.... his ff reputation is expanding faster than the universe... he once failed to score a touchdown just to see how it felt... he lives vicariously through Jamal Lewis... police often question him just because they find him interesting... he has never lost a sock... he is left handed and right handed... he is the most interesting footballer in the world Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flgatorguy87 160 Posted September 2, 2009 ouch, i bet that scar on your forehead from that one still burns everytime someone mentions him eh? Would you drop Shady McCoy for him in a standard re-draft....... thats my dilemma I'm going to try to package McCoy and another bench player to upgrade slightly and free a roster spot, but if I can't I don't know what I will do yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bryberns 0 Posted September 2, 2009 We're giving this guy nicknames already???? I drafted him in the 15th round in a 10 team redraft. Loved him @ Clemson, was an absolute moose. I don't even have turner, but scooped Norwood in the 13th. I chose to drop him over JD because I think JLew is on his last leg in CLE. Why wouldn't they start Quinn, phase out Jlew ? But seriously, when do you think he gets his first start or atleast a majority of the carries? Week 5 me thinks. What's With James Davis? WWJD? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thre3Deep 0 Posted September 2, 2009 I like the guy, sometimes a little to much dancing in the back, but he can hit the hole good and fast, make the cuts that Lewis can't make anymore. I see him overtaking lewis as the season progresses. Probably at a 60/40 split. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackshorts 0 Posted September 2, 2009 Oakland at HOME in week 16!! I'm on board!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted September 2, 2009 Would you drop Shady McCoy for him in a standard re-draft....... thats my dilemma I'm going to try to package McCoy and another bench player to upgrade slightly and free a roster spot, but if I can't I don't know what I will do yet No. the upside for McCoy is far greater in the Philly offense than it is for Davis in Cleveland. If Westbrook goes down, or when Shady inherits the gig, he's likely at least a late RB1 or early RB2 with big potential. I've got McCoy in PPR league and the Westbrook owner is knocking on my door everyday, but i'm not answering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Super Cubs 132 Posted September 2, 2009 any rookie getting this much hype has to be a bust Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston Three Party 6 Posted September 2, 2009 Between JD1 (yup, thats it) and DBrown on my bench I am confident one can step up big time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites