PATSSOX 22 Posted August 13, 2009 will it move him ahead of Brees on your draft boards??? Some people including me already have Brady ahead of Brees but some are concerned with his knee. Brady is supposed to start the game tonight and dont expect him to play too many series. Maybe 2 or so. But if he looks like the 2007 Brady will the one outing push him up on draft boards Brady will bring you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmbryant09 1 Posted August 13, 2009 will it move him ahead of Brees on your draft boards??? Some homers including me already have Brady ahead of Brees but some are concerned with his knee. Brady is supposed to start the game tonight and dont expect him to play too many series. Maybe 2 or so. But if he looks like the 2007 Brady will the one outing push him up on draft boards Brady will bring you Fixed - but the people who have him near the top, are already assuming he'll be back to 100%. If you thought Brady wouldn't be fully recovered, he shouldn't be near the top5 in rankings. His performance shouldn't change a thing unless he looks terrible, which would knock him below Manning and maybe in the Rodgers/Warner tier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 13, 2009 just wonder how people felt. in almost every mock draft ive done Brees gets picked before him. only reason for that has to be people are concerned he will not be the same as before the injury. if he looks like 2007 Brady in the preseason you have to have him ranked above Brees. guess you dont have to, but you should Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octopus 0 Posted August 13, 2009 will it move him ahead of Brees on your draft boards??? Some people including me already have Brady ahead of Brees but some are concerned with his knee. Brady is supposed to start the game tonight and dont expect him to play too many series. Maybe 2 or so. But if he looks like the 2007 Brady will the one outing push him up on draft boards Brady will bring you I'm expecting Brady to play well and see him basically as a wash compared to Brees. I think both will have very good seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octopus 0 Posted August 13, 2009 just wonder how people felt. in almost every mock draft ive done Brees gets picked before him. only reason for that has to be people are concerned he will not be the same as before the injury. if he looks like 2007 Brady in the preseason you have to have him ranked above Brees. guess you dont have to, but you should or maybe its because Brees threw for over 5,000 yards last season and that was with Colston, Shockey and Bush all missing significant time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 13, 2009 or maybe its because Brees threw for over 5,000 yards last season and that was with Colston, Shockey and Bush all missing significant time. yea but the may have actually found a decent runner in Pierre and Lance Moore not very healthy as of today. Id take a healthy Brady with Moss, Welker, Galloway, and Faulk over Brees and his bunch. And last time Brady played a full season he threw for almost 5,000 yards and what 52 TDs. Brees had what 34 TDs last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tenaciousb 0 Posted August 13, 2009 or maybe its because Brees threw for over 5,000 yards last season and that was with Colston, Shockey and Bush all missing significant time. That almost matched the Tommy Maddox total ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeaLerZ 0 Posted August 13, 2009 or maybe its because Brees threw for over 5,000 yards last season and that was with Colston, Shockey and Bush all missing significant time. or maybe its cause the saints were always down early cause their defense was poor.. and they have made a lot of upgrades this season... but i still would expect 4500yds and around 30tds for brees Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harken34 0 Posted August 13, 2009 Brady will be lucky to play more than 10 plays. My guess one series. So no I wouldn't move him past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted August 14, 2009 yea but the may have actually found a decent runner in Pierre and Lance Moore not very healthy as of today. Id take a healthy Brady with Moss, Welker, Galloway, and Faulk over Brees and his bunch. And last time Brady played a full season he threw for almost 5,000 yards and what 52 TDs. Brees had what 34 TDs last year. -Because NO has Pierre, they're now going to become a run first offense? -Lance Moore is a name we know thanks to Brees. Someone else can be the 2009 version of the 2008 Lance Moore and Brees won't miss a beat. -Brady needs superior talent to have success, Brees makes the guys around him successful. Can you imagine how much better the Patriots would be if they had Brees instead of Brady? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,740 Posted August 14, 2009 -Brady needs superior talent to have success, Brees makes the guys around him successful. Can you imagine how much better the Patriots would be if they had Brees instead of Brady? Congrats on the dumbest post in the history of FFT 1 Super Bowl victory with the likes of Troy Brown and David PatteRn at WR 2 Super Bowl victories with the likes of Deion Branch, Troy Brown and David Givens at WR How many Super Bowl wins does Brees have with his superior talent to what Brady had? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted August 14, 2009 Congrats on the dumbest post in the history of FFT 1 Super Bowl victory with the likes of Troy Brown and David PatteRn at WR 2 Super Bowl victories with the likes of Deion Branch, Troy Brown and David Givens at WR How many Super Bowl wins does Brees have with his superior talent to what Brady had? No sh!t. The congratulations needs to go to you. You've proven how easily you can be hooked I guess your eye popping number of posts hasn't made you any brighter, has it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,740 Posted August 14, 2009 No sh!t. The congratulations needs to go to you. You've proven how easily you can be hooked I guess your eye popping number of posts hasn't made you any brighter, has it? Nice try on the deflection. Why not just say "i'm rubber and you're glue" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octopus 0 Posted August 14, 2009 yea but the may have actually found a decent runner in Pierre and Lance Moore not very healthy as of today. Id take a healthy Brady with Moss, Welker, Galloway, and Faulk over Brees and his bunch. And last time Brady played a full season he threw for almost 5,000 yards and what 52 TDs. Brees had what 34 TDs last year. I don't expect either to approach 5,000 yards or 40+ TDs, that stuff just doesn't happen regularly. I see both somewhere around 4,400 yards and 30-35 TDs. They are basically 1a and 1b imo - whichever is "a" is just a personal preference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted August 14, 2009 Nice try on the deflection. Why not just say "i'm rubber and you're glue" OK. I'm rubber and you're glue. What part of and led you to beleive I was serious when posting that line about Brady? It was an obvious attempt to get a reaction out of someone and you were that someone. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted August 14, 2009 There's no way Brady approaches his 2007 stats. In 2007 he played every game, and he continued to throw despite the Pats being up 88 points in the 4th quarter. Obviously they were a juggernaut and they were out to prove a point (they didn't need to cheat to win) and were intent on breaking records. And through all that, what do they have to show for it? Something tells me Brady doesn't play for records, and yet that's all he's got to show for his 2007 season; the TD record. I'd still take Brady ahead of everyone else not named Brees, because he should still be good for around 30 TDs, and he doesn't turn the ball over. But I bet the Pats become a more balanced team and will run the ball more this year than 2007. Maroney/Morris/Taylor are all capable backs, and all should contribute this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted August 14, 2009 I'd still take Brady ahead of everyone else not named Brees, because he should still be good for around 30 TDs, and he doesn't turn the ball over. But I bet the Pats become a more balanced team and will run the ball more this year than 2007. Maroney/Morris/Taylor are all capable backs, and all should contribute this year. Brady would be my number one if I was picking a QB early, just like Moss is my #1 WR. Too much potential there. Brady may not come close to 2007 numbers, but I don't see why he couldn't throw for 4,000 and 40. Brees won't do that. Brady, like Moss, has the higher ceiling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted August 14, 2009 Congrats on the dumbest post in the history of FFT 1 Super Bowl victory with the likes of Troy Brown and David PatteRn at WR 2 Super Bowl victories with the likes of Deion Branch, Troy Brown and David Givens at WR How many Super Bowl wins does Brees have with his superior talent to what Brady had? While saying it how he did was wrong as far as success...if he adds "fantasy super star success" he is correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 766 Posted August 14, 2009 just wonder how people felt. in almost every mock draft ive done Brees gets picked before him. only reason for that has to be people are concerned he will not be the same as before the injury. if he looks like 2007 Brady in the preseason you have to have him ranked above Brees. guess you dont have to, but you should I"m not concerned about the injury and I'd pick Brees ahead of Brady. Brees can perform regardless of the talent around him. Last year he had a bunch of injuries to the WR's and still threw for 5000 yards. 5000 YARDS with backup WR's in the lineup. Can you say low risk? Brady is no slouch, but that one season when he & moss hooked up for an unreal number of TD's was a once in a lifetime season and I doubt you will ever see that again. if you wanna select Brady ahead of this guy go ahead, but I'm not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0 Posted August 14, 2009 There's no way Brady approaches his 2007 stats. In 2007 he played every game, and he continued to throw despite the Pats being up 88 points in the 4th quarter. Obviously they were a juggernaut and they were out to prove a point (they didn't need to cheat to win) and were intent on breaking records. And through all that, what do they have to show for it? Something tells me Brady doesn't play for records, and yet that's all he's got to show for his 2007 season; the TD record. I'd still take Brady ahead of everyone else not named Brees, because he should still be good for around 30 TDs, and he doesn't turn the ball over. But I bet the Pats become a more balanced team and will run the ball more this year than 2007. Maroney/Morris/Taylor are all capable backs, and all should contribute this year. Something tells me you don't know the Patriots very well. The only thing Brady and Belichik ever do is play for records. Coach B had Flutie drop kick just to get a historical benchmark. They did all they could to break records in 2007 and they'll do it again. The 21 game win streak, the 16-0 season, the back to back SuperBowls, scoring record, pt differential record, TDs, TD catches, they love those records and they want more along with a SuperBowl. They aren't mutually exclusive. In fact historically most teams with record setting offenses go pretty far each year. They won't sacrifice winning to get records but if they can come hand in hand they will. ANYONE! Who thinks Brady will throw for less than 40 TD's is an idiot. You tools and fools can take Brees over Brady but you are going to get a QB who will throw for 10 less TD's than Brady. Brees will have less TD's by 5-10, more INT's by 5-10 and maybe a slightly higher total yardage. End of story. The guy just tossed 2 TD's in a half without even trying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted August 14, 2009 Brady would be my number one if I was picking a QB early, just like Moss is my #1 WR. Too much potential there. Brady may not come close to 2007 numbers, but I don't see why he couldn't throw for 4,000 and 40. Brees won't do that. Brady, like Moss, has the higher ceiling. To me, it's a moot point because I'm not interested in taking any QB before the 5th. But I don't think you can be so certain Brady will put up those stats, while being equally certain Brees won't. NE > NO as a team....which means NE will be involved in far fewer shootouts. Plus, they each have a pretty tough schedule, which makes it difficult to achieve the statistical level of success we're talking about. Also, there's only been a handful of QBs to throw 40 TDs in a year. And since 2004, only 4 QBs have thrown for 35+ TDs (Manning/Culpepper/Brady/Romo). It just makes more sense to anticipate 30-33 TDs from whatever QB you're looking at....at least that's what history would suggest.....and I feel more comfortable going with historical trends than gut feelings. But you're right on about Moss. I'm keeping my fingers crossed he's still available to me with my second pick (18). I think he's almost certain to put up 10+ TDs this year. I think he understands the end is near and this might be his last, best chance for posting nice stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace08 11 Posted August 14, 2009 I'm not a fan of either team......but in all honesty if you're going to take a QB early (something I never do but to each their own) you would be NUTS to take Brees, Manning or anyone over Brady. There isn't a better coach over the last 25 years than Belicheck....and the simple fact he traded away his solid backup QB in the offseason tells you he's convinced Brady is 100% or close to it. And a 100% or close-to-it Brady is the best player in the NFL. Mind you I'm a Dolphins fan. I hate his guts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octopus 0 Posted August 14, 2009 ANYONE! Who thinks Brady will throw for less than 40 TD's is an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted August 14, 2009 Something tells me you don't know the Patriots very well. The only thing Brady and Belichik ever do is play for records. Coach B had Flutie drop kick just to get a historical benchmark. They did all they could to break records in 2007 and they'll do it again. The 21 game win streak, the 16-0 season, the back to back SuperBowls, scoring record, pt differential record, TDs, TD catches, they love those records and they want more along with a SuperBowl. They aren't mutually exclusive. In fact historically most teams with record setting offenses go pretty far each year. They won't sacrifice winning to get records but if they can come hand in hand they will. ANYONE! Who thinks Brady will throw for less than 40 TD's is an idiot. You tools and fools can take Brees over Brady but you are going to get a QB who will throw for 10 less TD's than Brady. Brees will have less TD's by 5-10, more INT's by 5-10 and maybe a slightly higher total yardage. End of story. The guy just tossed 2 TD's in a half without even trying. They got their records in 2007. Good for them. But there's no way they even approach those numbers this year. I may not know the Pats like you do, but I do remember other teams having a 'blueprint' of how to defend them down the stretch....PHI, BAL, NYG, SD in the AFC title, and NYG in the SB. I think teams figured them out toward the end. And...well, then there's the Bernie Pollard effect.....there's no way Brady passes as much as he did in 2007....especially not in the 4th quarter when they're up by 3 scores. Why would you play with fire like that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted August 14, 2009 To me, it's a moot point because I'm not interested in taking any QB before the 5th. But I don't think you can be so certain Brady will put up those stats, while being equally certain Brees won't. NE > NO as a team....which means NE will be involved in far fewer shootouts. Plus, they each have a pretty tough schedule, which makes it difficult to achieve the statistical level of success we're talking about. Also, there's only been a handful of QBs to throw 40 TDs in a year. And since 2004, only 4 QBs have thrown for 35+ TDs (Manning/Culpepper/Brady/Romo). It just makes more sense to anticipate 30-33 TDs from whatever QB you're looking at....at least that's what history would suggest.....and I feel more comfortable going with historical trends than gut feelings. But you're right on about Moss. I'm keeping my fingers crossed he's still available to me with my second pick (18). I think he's almost certain to put up 10+ TDs this year. I think he understands the end is near and this might be his last, best chance for posting nice stats. NE is greater as a team but I don't think that would hurt Brady's potential for 40 td's and 4000 yards. That's 2.5 td's per game and 250 yards passing per game. They don't need to be in shootouts for Brady to achieve those numbers. Brees has a very difficult schedule this year, which may mean he passes more. He could reach 40 td's, but I'd put my money on Brady hitting that number before Brees. I would follow historical trends as well but isn't the NFL trending toward being more of a passing league? I remember not long ago thinking that 26 td's was a lot for a QB to throw. Now it's no big deal at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted August 14, 2009 ANYONE! Who thinks Brady will throw for less than 40 TD's is an idiot. You tools and fools can take Brees over Brady but you are going to get a QB who will throw for 10 less TD's than Brady. Speaking on behalf of at least some of the other Pats fans, please shut the fuck up. TIA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,740 Posted August 14, 2009 Speaking on behalf of at least some of the other Pats fans, please shut the fuck up. TIA. +1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted August 14, 2009 ...I think redraft 1st rounds are going to be great this year! 2 possible QB's 2/3 possible WR's 4 running backs for sure, then anything goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 14, 2009 -Because NO has Pierre, they're now going to become a run first offense? -Brady needs superior talent to have success, Brees makes the guys around him successful. Can you imagine how much better the Patriots would be if they had Brees instead of Brady? good one !!! dont think i said NO will become a running team now. simple pointed out they might actually have a decent back in Pierre which may eliminate the need of Brees throwing 100 times a game. SO GOOD TRY - Brady needs superior talent to have success, Brees makes the guys around him successful. Can you imagine how much better the Patriots would be if they had Brees instead of Brady? just read the other guys post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted August 14, 2009 Something tells me you don't know the Patriots very well. The only thing Brady and Belichik ever do is play for records. Coach B had Flutie drop kick just to get a historical benchmark. They did all they could to break records in 2007 and they'll do it again. The 21 game win streak, the 16-0 season, the back to back SuperBowls, scoring record, pt differential record, TDs, TD catches, they love those records and they want more along with a SuperBowl. They aren't mutually exclusive. In fact historically most teams with record setting offenses go pretty far each year. They won't sacrifice winning to get records but if they can come hand in hand they will. ANYONE! Who thinks Brady will throw for less than 40 TD's is an idiot. You tools and fools can take Brees over Brady but you are going to get a QB who will throw for 10 less TD's than Brady. Brees will have less TD's by 5-10, more INT's by 5-10 and maybe a slightly higher total yardage. End of story. The guy just tossed 2 TD's in a half without even trying. i hate to admit this...but YOU are the reason I hope for another Bernard Pollard moment for Brady this year. The sad part is that I don't want to wish an injury on any player, ever. But it's the only way to shut your stupid ass up apparently. Every time you open your mouth (or start typing in this case) all you do is spew out completely useless crap. You have nothing to support you other than your pom-poms, cheerleader outfit and Tom Brady poster that hangs over your bed with the special "scratch and sniff" jock area. There are two reasons I despise the Patriots: Bill Belicheat and fans like you. Speaking on behalf of at least some of the other Pats fans, please shut the ###### up. TIA. Thanks gawd there are some of you out there who are reasonable. Let's get this straight...coming from someone on the outside who admittedly dislikes the Pats...Tom Brady is a great QB, a fierce competitor and winner. However, Tom Brady is a QB record holder BECAUSE of Randy Moss. Had the Raiders not been completely fleeced by New England, Brady would FOREVER be looking up at Peyton's jockstrap in the NFL record book. Tom Brady didn't make Moss, Moss made Brady. It was the perfect match of a SUPREMELY talented WR with a guy who is great at getting him the ball. All that being said, what Brady did yesterday in preseason doesn't necessarily belie what will happen in the regular season. First reason is that defenses rarely show anything, at all, ever, in the preseason. They also rarely go after the QB with the ferocity of the regular season. QB's that have extensive surgeries like all report that the problem they have is stepping into the throws, overcoming the hesitancy of planting that lead leg with pressure coming on you. Most report the ball sailing on them because they don't have the confidence initially. I think/believe Brady will probably have a top 5, maybe even top 3 QB season. But to expect a duplication of 2 years ago is unrealistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 14, 2009 All that being said, what Brady did yesterday in preseason doesn't necessarily belie what will happen in the regular season. First reason is that defenses rarely show anything, at all, ever, in the preseason. They also rarely go after the QB with the ferocity of the regular season. QB's that have extensive surgeries like all report that the problem they have is stepping into the throws, overcoming the hesitancy of planting that lead leg with pressure coming on you. Most report the ball sailing on them because they don't have the confidence initially. I think/believe Brady will probably have a top 5, maybe even top 3 QB season. But to expect a duplication of 2 years ago is unrealistic. i agree with you almost 100% on this there is no doubt Brady will be a top 3 QB if he plays whole year. Only question will be is if Brees can put up more points and i say no way. the weapons Brady has are by far superior to what Brees has to work with. those bombs that missed last night will connect during regular season yes, there is no way anyone should expect a duplication of 2007. Those season happen very very rare. But can it happen? why hell yes i just dont think they throw as much as they did in 2007. the should have a chip on their shoulders in 2009 but is it as big of a chip as in 2007? i hope they go for it on 4th down and throw all the time this year and try and duplicate or better 2007. 19-0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nomad99 785 Posted August 14, 2009 i hate to admit this...but YOU are the reason I hope for another Bernard Pollard moment for Brady this year. The sad part is that I don't want to wish an injury on any player, ever. But it's the only way to shut your stupid ass up apparently. Every time you open your mouth (or start typing in this case) all you do is spew out completely useless crap. You have nothing to support you other than your pom-poms, cheerleader outfit and Tom Brady poster that hangs over your bed with the special "scratch and sniff" jock area. There are two reasons I despise the Patriots: Bill Belicheat and fans like you. Thanks gawd there are some of you out there who are reasonable. Let's get this straight...coming from someone on the outside who admittedly dislikes the Pats...Tom Brady is a great QB, a fierce competitor and winner. However, Tom Brady is a QB record holder BECAUSE of Randy Moss. Had the Raiders not been completely fleeced by New England, Brady would FOREVER be looking up at Peyton's jockstrap in the NFL record book. Tom Brady didn't make Moss, Moss made Brady. It was the perfect match of a SUPREMELY talented WR with a guy who is great at getting him the ball. All that being said, what Brady did yesterday in preseason doesn't necessarily belie what will happen in the regular season. First reason is that defenses rarely show anything, at all, ever, in the preseason. They also rarely go after the QB with the ferocity of the regular season. QB's that have extensive surgeries like all report that the problem they have is stepping into the throws, overcoming the hesitancy of planting that lead leg with pressure coming on you. Most report the ball sailing on them because they don't have the confidence initially. I think/believe Brady will probably have a top 5, maybe even top 3 QB season. But to expect a duplication of 2 years ago is unrealistic. From a Pat's homer who hate's BBO's fanatic rants.........................You have outdone him. Statistically the 07 season for Moss was run of the mill....98-1493 He regularly puts up 90+ & 1400Yds......what DOES stand out is that previous to to being on the receiving end of Tom Brady's talent........He never caught more than 17 TD's He only caught 11 W/Cassel, barely made 1000yds & only had 69 rec To claim that Moss MADE Brady is a PERFECT compliment to the useless drivel spouted by BBO I think both Manning & Brady are 2 of the best QB's of my lifetime & prolly 2 of the best ever......but to Believe Brady's only reason to be mentioned along with Manning is because of 1 season with Randy Moss DEFINES the type of Moronic posts that you yourself whines about. If Randy Moss never existed, Tom Brady would still be in the top tier of NFL QB's The same can't be said for Randy Moss.......We have ALL seen what his #'s look like with a poor or average QB looking his way....29 Games w/Oakland....102 Rec.....1558yds......11TD'd WOW.....what a QB maker!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted August 14, 2009 i agree with you almost 100% on this there is no doubt Brady will be a top 3 QB if he plays whole year. Only question will be is if Brees can put up more points and i say no way. the weapons Brady has are by far superior to what Brees has to work with. those bombs that missed last night will connect during regular season yes, there is no way anyone should expect a duplication of 2007. Those season happen very very rare. But can it happen? why hell yes i just dont think they throw as much as they did in 2007. the should have a chip on their shoulders in 2009 but is it as big of a chip as in 2007? i hope they go for it on 4th down and throw all the time this year and try and duplicate or better 2007. 19-0 they won't beat the Steelers, with or without Brady Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 14, 2009 they won't beat the Steelers, with or without Brady only way PATS play Steelers is in playoffs!! Steelers will lose in wildcard game so we wont play but will have probably 3 more wins during regular season. i have a side bet with one of the dealers at my poker game who has better regular season record. last year i lost the head to head bet with his sorry A$$ cause Cassell is awful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dksmith17380 0 Posted August 14, 2009 Brees is a safer pick. What QB has ever thrown 4500+ yards 3 consecutive seasons anyway? He has done it with rookies, UDFAs, drunk TEs, and gigantic busts. Brees could arguably be the safest pick in the draft. And I would not consider Brees has having less downside either, I think the bitter taste of coming just short of the passing record last year is in the back of his mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted August 14, 2009 only way PATS play Steelers is in playoffs!! Steelers will lose in wildcard game so we wont play but will have probably 3 more wins during regular season. i have a side bet with one of the dealers at my poker game who has better regular season record. last year i lost the head to head bet with his sorry A$ cause Cassell is awful Steelers won't be playing a wildcard game, you don't have to when you're one of the top 2 seeds. They may not have a better record than NE at end of regular season, but they will beat them in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 14, 2009 STEELERS and BIG BEN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,860 Posted August 14, 2009 yeah, if anyone thought Brady might not be fully back and ready to go, they shouldn't have him ranked even as high as 2nd. The 1st/2nd debate with Brees is assuming you believe Brady will be back at full strength (i believe he is / will be) Its a tossup for me. I would probably take Brees because I like the total sum of his weapons more and his defense is worse. Reality is I wont have either on my teams because I don't look at QB's until round 7. Also I agree with the statement that Moss and Welker to a lesser extent make Brady into a fantasy superstar QB, while Brees IS a fantasy superstar QB who makes the likes of Colston Moore and Bush as good as they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites