str8playa007 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Watching Jamarcus Russell play QB for the Raiders is as much fun as watching a horse get castrated. Come on....how can a team pay this guy to be on the field??? Without looking at stats, i would guess he has the lowest passing rating in the league...i could write a page and a half of what he does wrong, so instead i'll write about what he does right........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nocarbs 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Watching Jamarcus Russell play QB for the Raiders is as much fun as watching a horse get castrated. Come on....how can a team pay this guy to be on the field??? Without looking at stats, i would guess he has the lowest passing rating in the league...i could write a page and a half of what he does wrong, so instead i'll write about what he does right........... I get sick watching him play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted September 22, 2009 Probably the most inaccurate passer I've seen at the NFL level in 40+ years of viewing..and I'm an Eagles fan, so I've seen some bad ones of epic proportion. I don't see him getting much better either. It's not like he's just missing, or making bad reads, or trying to force the ball into coverage...the things that time and experience often correct. He's 6' over the head of 6'5" WR. All the time. So far, he appears to throw one pass well: 40-60 yards right down the center of the field. Looks like a PPK contest. Just another illustration of the difference between a good college player and one who has an NFL future. Often times we wonder what the hell scoutas and personnel people are doing when they pass iover some guy with a glowing college pedigree. It's a whole different skill set and level of ability. Feel bad for Raiders fans. That team is not that bad. In fact, I think their young RB and offensive line (at least as run blockers) are as solid as any unit in the league. Defense more than holds it's own. But every game of this wretched experiment drags them backward, whether they squeak out a few meaningless wins or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AintNoStoppinMeNow 68 Posted September 22, 2009 The QB's in the NFL have been a joke for the last couple of years. It's a sad statement for NFL QB's when Brett Favre and Kurt Warner (with a combined age of close to 80 freakin years old!!!) are still better than half the QB's in the league. This decade of QB's does not even come close to the era of the 90's. I think if Russell actually dedicated himself he could be a top 15 QB but it seems like he is more interested in collecting a paycheck then improving as a QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony_Romo_Domination 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Anyone playing for the raiders or Lions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Jamarcus Russell. Has to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348 Posted September 22, 2009 Russell and its not even a close 2nd Hell if Gradkowski (much less Garcia) was their QB they would undoubtedly be 2-0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stosher1 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Tom Brandstater - the back up to Kyle Orton's back up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted September 22, 2009 December and on...Tony Romo. Rest of the time...Jamarcus Russell Ok, i jest. I can't believe Oakland is allowed to continue on as they have been for the last 10 years or so. I know Al owns the team, but he's destroying it. I can honestly say I'm fairly confident that I could line up under center and do at least as good a job as Jamarcus is doing without having played in years. He's undoubtedly worse at reads than Vince Young and really only l looks at the right side of the field. McFadden might not pan out to be a bust but Russell and Heyward-Bey this year will drag the Raiders down for years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Headslap75 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Watching Jamarcus Russell play QB for the Raiders is as much fun as watching a horse get castrated. Come on....how can a team pay this guy to be on the field??? Without looking at stats, i would guess he has the lowest passing rating in the league...i could write a page and a half of what he does wrong, so instead i'll write about what he does right........... Did this team really release Jeff Garcia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,620 Posted September 22, 2009 The QB's in the NFL have been a joke for the last couple of years. Flacco, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, absolutely terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berven 0 Posted September 22, 2009 I tried to come up with an alternative to Jamarcus just to keep the conversational ball rolling--but I couldn't. Arguing over who's the worst QB is like arguing about who's the tallest or oldest player; it's not a matter of opinion but of fact. To say that Russell is the NFL's worst QB is not to state an opinion but an undeniable reality. Stafford and Sanchez skipped their senior years but, after a single game under their belts, they are miles ahead of Jamarcus. Jamarcus is still young, and so is the season, so we can say with confidence that his worst games are still ahead of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AintNoStoppinMeNow 68 Posted September 22, 2009 Flacco, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, absolutely terrible. That's quite a list you got there. Especially when one of the three has played a total of TWO GAMES! And the other two guys just came into the league last year. Rex Grossman, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Kyle Boller, Alex Smith, Jason Campbell, Mike Vick, Marc Bulger, Derek Anderson, Joey Harrington, JP Losman, I could go on... All guys who were top picks yet contributed to decline of NFL quarterbacking as a whole the last five or so years. My point is take away the draft class of this year and last year, and the NFL's young QB's have been an embarrasment. Only the 2004 class added anything as far as quality to the position. Also, this decades QB's dont come close to the era of the 90's (Aikman, Elway, Marino, Favre, Young, Montana, Kelly, Moon, etc). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Natetradomus 0 Posted September 22, 2009 I believe Jamacus is the worst QB in the history of the NFL. If he isn't, he is definitely the dumbest. For what its worth, a friend of my boss knows someone in the organization who says cable and the coaches really hate him because he is so stupid. They have to run some vanilla predictable offense because he is to dumb to make any reads and understand a simple playbook. It shows when you watch him play. I have never seen a qb miss so many wide open wrs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony_Romo_Domination 0 Posted September 22, 2009 I believe Jamacus is the worst QB in the history of the NFL. If he isn't, he is definitely the dumbest. For what its worth, a friend of my boss knows someone in the organization who says cable and the coaches really hate him because he is so stupid. They have to run some vanilla predictable offense because he is to dumb to make any reads and understand a simple playbook. It shows when you watch him play. I have never seen a qb miss so many wide open wrs. ryan leaf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadLizard 73 Posted September 22, 2009 Flacco, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, absolutely terrible. Point taken... but for every one of them, you get a plethora of Jamarcus Russels, Vince Youngs, Jason Campbells, Matt Leinharts, Mike Vicks, etc, etc, As Steve Young said: The art of quarterbacking is almost gone. Its about "protecting" QBs now with playbooks that a 5 year old could read. Its about playing NOT to lose, aka just "taking care of the ball". Thats for LOSERS. Manning, Aikman, Elways, Marino, Montana, and so on so forth NEVER played like that and never will. The bottom line is that any QB in college that thinks "run first" should be AVOIDED at all costs in any NFL draft. Sorry, but thats the truth. They run because they CANT FOCKING PASS which is required in the NFL. They also need to STOP trying to make great QBs out of sh!tty ones through the media. They are finally not ramming Vince Young down our throats anymore. Until of course the next clown gets drafted. Ugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,737 Posted September 22, 2009 The QB's in the NFL have been a joke for the last couple of years. It's a sad statement for NFL QB's when Brett Favre and Kurt Warner (with a combined age of close to 80 freakin years old!!!) are still better than half the QB's in the league. This decade of QB's does not even come close to the era of the 90's. I have a hard time agreeing with you there. This decade has produced Manning and Brady and more recently Brees. A pair of solid if not flashy winners in Eli and Big Ben Guys on the cusp of stardom such as Rivers and Rodgers And some promising rookies with bright futures in Flacco, Ryan and Sanchez the nfl went thru a small phase of infatuation with the ultra athletic QB (Vick, Russell, Young) but seems to be back on the right track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AintNoStoppinMeNow 68 Posted September 22, 2009 I have a hard time agreeing with you there. This decade has produced Manning and Brady and more recently Brees. A pair of solid if not flashy winners in Eli and Big Ben Guys on the cusp of stardom such as Rivers and Rodgers And some promising rookies with bright futures in Flacco, Ryan and Sanchez the nfl went thru a small phase of infatuation with the ultra athletic QB (Vick, Russell, Young) but seems to be back on the right track. But the point I am trying to make is the drop off from the top 5 to the rest of the league has never been so wide as it's been during the 2K era. You have Favre (a 90's guy), Brady, Manning, Big Ben and possibly Brees (late bloomer) as the only true elite QB's of this decade. After that you have Rivers and Eli and not much more promise other than the recent guys from last year (Flacco and Ryan). Again, can't include Sanchez yet because it's only been two games guys... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 22, 2009 MAtt Stafford has 5 picks and a fumble through 2 games. But for me, its Jason Campbell. He threw one deep ball last weekend into the stands. Embarrassing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0 Posted September 22, 2009 I tried to come up with an alternative to Jamarcus just to keep the conversational ball rolling--but I couldn't. Arguing over who's the worst QB is like arguing about who's the tallest or oldest player; it's not a matter of opinion but of fact. To say that Russell is the NFL's worst QB is not to state an opinion but an undeniable reality. Stafford and Sanchez skipped their senior years but, after a single game under their belts, they are miles ahead of Jamarcus. Jamarcus is still young, and so is the season, so we can say with confidence that his worst games are still ahead of him. Well said. Even trying to be nice I couldn't find an alternative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
belichick's hoody 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Jamarcus Russell is a great player. Get over it. [/Al Davis] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,737 Posted September 22, 2009 But the point I am trying to make is the drop off from the top 5 to the rest of the league has never been so wide as it's been during the 2K era. You have Favre (a 90's guy), Brady, Manning, Big Ben and possibly Brees (late bloomer) as the only true elite QB's of this decade. After that you have Rivers and Eli and not much more promise other than the recent guys from last year (Flacco and Ryan). Again, can't include Sanchez yet because it's only been two games guys... Right now, Brett Favre is not in the top 5 in the league. As far as alltime best QB's go, if we were to rank the current QB's in terms of their careers, then yeah, he is top 5. I just don't see much of a problem having 2 all-time greats at the end of their careers in Favre and Warner as well as all the other names we have mentioned and their accolades. Even if you don't count Sanchez, that's 11/32. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AintNoStoppinMeNow 68 Posted September 22, 2009 Right now, Brett Favre is not in the top 5 in the league. As far as alltime best QB's go, if we were to rank the current QB's in terms of their careers, then yeah, he is top 5. I just don't see much of a problem having 2 all-time greats at the end of their careers in Favre and Warner as well as all the other names we have mentioned and their accolades. Even if you don't count Sanchez, that's 11/32. Obviously not right now, I was just including Favre in the 2K decade list. But even then it's being generous adding him to this decade since his prime years as a QB were in the 90's. Like I said, I have no problem with the top five from this decade. It's the GIGANTIC drop off after that the league has suffered through. Like another post mentioned, QB is a lost art form. This decade went through the "athletic QB is the wave of the future" that obviously didnt work out as well as the "game managers" that QB's are asked to be now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Fumble 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Good observation - Does that have anything to do with the college football styles that exist today? I can't say I payed much attention to college ball in the 80's and 90's, but I can say that today college football is noticably different than pro ball. Thus, most QB's out of college will be 3-4 years behind those QB's in the past decades because they don't have the same system experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,737 Posted September 22, 2009 Obviously not right now, I was just including Favre in the 2K decade list. But even then it's being generous adding him to this decade since his prime years as a QB were in the 90's. Like I said, I have no problem with the top five from this decade. It's the GIGANTIC drop off after that the league has suffered through. Like another post mentioned, QB is a lost art form. This decade went through the "athletic QB is the wave of the future" that obviously didnt work out as well as the "game managers" that QB's are asked to be now. thats fine, and i dont think it was you, but i saw someone mention Montana... as a 90's qb? c'mon. Top 90's QB's - Young, Elway, Favre, Marino, Cunningham, Aikman, Moon (really mid 80's to mid 90's but i'll count him), Jim Kelly ... that's 8. I may have left someone out so feel free to correct me. And I have a hard time Listing Cunningham here because he had the one monster season in the 1998 but was mostly mediocre in the 90's Now how about guys like Stan Humphires, Chris Chandler, Jim Harbaugh, Browning Nagle, Niel Odonnell, Dave Kreig, Jim Everret, Bubby Brister, Scott Mitchell, Bernie Kosar, Jeff George... remember Rick Mirer? Jeff Blake Elvis Grbac , Steve Bono, my very own Dave Brown! This is just a quick list of mediocre to crappy 90's QB's who had a couple years of success at the MOST but were largely failed experiments as starting QB's. I think what's happening here is that as the 90's get farther away, we only remember the hall of famers and forget the scrubs but the 2k decade scrubs are still in our minds and we try to claim that this decade has been so much worse for overall QB play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AintNoStoppinMeNow 68 Posted September 22, 2009 Good observation - Does that have anything to do with the college football styles that exist today? I can't say I payed much attention to college ball in the 80's and 90's, but I can say that today college football is noticably different than pro ball. Thus, most QB's out of college will be 3-4 years behind those QB's in the past decades because they don't have the same system experience. To me, that's been one of the biggest contributors. There are very few pro style offenses in college and QB's very rarely stay all four years now. The rise of spread offenses, option and hybrid offenses has morphed drop back passers into shotgun and running QB's. The only guy I can say that came out of one of those offenses to become a good QB was Drew Brees who mainly played in the shotgun with Purdue's spread offense. The guy at Texas Tech will post great stats but what is he really learning about the QB position? Likewise the guy playing in the option style offense a la Mike Vick and Alex Smith will not be NFL ready because that doesn't work in the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted September 22, 2009 Russell then Stafford Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CLichti 0 Posted September 22, 2009 The next worst one will be Tim Tebow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 22, 2009 Point taken... but for every one of them, you get a plethora of Jamarcus Russels, Vince Youngs, Jason Campbells, Matt Leinharts, Mike Vicks, etc, etc, As Steve Young said: The art of quarterbacking is almost gone. Its about "protecting" QBs now with playbooks that a 5 year old could read. Its about playing NOT to lose, aka just "taking care of the ball". Thats for LOSERS. Manning, Aikman, Elways, Marino, Montana, and so on so forth NEVER played like that and never will. The bottom line is that any QB in college that thinks "run first" should be AVOIDED at all costs in any NFL draft. Sorry, but thats the truth. They run because they CANT FOCKING PASS which is required in the NFL. They also need to STOP trying to make great QBs out of sh!tty ones through the media. They are finally not ramming Vince Young down our throats anymore. Until of course the next clown gets drafted. Ugh. Hit it on the head there. Undoubtably Tim Tebow will get pushed soooo much in next year's draft that some team ACHING for a QB will waste a first round pick on this guy when they could pick a quality lineman on either side of the ball and instantly see a return. Instead, they'll buy into the hype and give this guy who'll make a great TE (if he can catch) millions in guaranteed money only to find out what the rest of the country outside of Florida knows; Tebow ain't Jesus and he sure ain't a NFL QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GridIronAssassin#1 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Jerry Tagge was way worse, and Tagge was a 1st round draft choice. He only completed 3 touchdown passes in 3 years, but let's not reminisce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RamslovaMartzhata 3 Posted September 23, 2009 The QB's in the NFL have been a joke for the last couple of years. It's a sad statement for NFL QB's when Brett Favre and Kurt Warner (with a combined age of close to 80 freakin years old!!!) are still better than half the QB's in the league. This decade of QB's does not even come close to the era of the 90's.I think if Russell actually dedicated himself he could be a top 15 QB but it seems like he is more interested in collecting a paycheck then improving as a QB. (Peyton -1998) (McNabb - 1999) Brady - 2000 Bulger - 2000 Brees - 2001 (2002 - awful year for QB's... Carr, Harrington very early... only Garrard is a current starter) Palmer - 2003 Rothlisberger - 2004 Eli - 2004 Rivers - 2004 Rodgers - 2005 Romo - (Undrafted) 2005 Cutler - 2006 (2007 - Another bad year... but only Russell and Quinn went in the first rd, I have not given up on Quinn yet. Trent Edwards is also a current starter) Ryan? - 2008 Flacco? - 2008 Sanchez? - 2009 Who was good from the 90's... I can only think of two sure fire HOF's in Manning an Favre. The rest of the good QB's were drafted in the 80's. You're an idiot... have a nice day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CLichti 0 Posted September 23, 2009 Rodgers - 2005 Career 7-11 - the most overrated on the list. (2007 - Another bad year... but only Russell and Quinn went in the first rd, I have not given up on Quinn yet. Trent Edwards is also a current starter) Give up on Quinn - the second most overrated. Fixord Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RamslovaMartzhata 3 Posted September 23, 2009 ^^^ Jury is still out on Rodgers... I am just saying that there certainly is quality. Brees, Peyton, and Favre all sucked at first too, as did most NFL QB's. Guys like Ryan, Flacco, and Big Ben are extremely rare in their rookie year success. In fact... I'd guess you would have to go all the way back to Steve Young to find anything similar for someone in their first year starting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted September 23, 2009 Brady Quinn is horrible. I see him missing guys multiple times by at least 15 yards and he has no ability to hit the deep pass. At least Russel has thrown some nice deep balls for completions and touchdowns; he even led his team back at the end of the 4th QB on the road in KC for the win. David Carr and Brady Quinn are by far the worst QBs in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CLichti 0 Posted September 23, 2009 ^^^ Jury is still out on Rodgers... I am just saying that there certainly is quality. Brees, Peyton, and Favre all sucked at first too, as did most NFL QB's. Rodgers had 3 years on the sideline learning under one of the best ever. And two of those seven wins come against the 0-16 Lions. But I take it back. Cutler is by far the most overrated on that list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yer mom 2 Posted September 23, 2009 I remember some plays (big emphasis on some) where Jamarky made ridiculous passes, one in particular (which im sure skids can confirm) where he threw across his body about 50 yards downfield pinpointed to his receiver to beat AZ State with the game on the line. Either he cant get it together because of the Raiders system where everyone since Rich Gannon has failed miserably or if he has progressively gotten more suck. But gawd is he awful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 550 Posted September 23, 2009 (Peyton -1998)(McNabb - 1999) Brady - 2000 Bulger - 2000 Brees - 2001 (2002 - awful year for QB's... Carr, Harrington very early... only Garrard is a current starter) Palmer - 2003 Rothlisberger - 2004 Eli - 2004 Rivers - 2004 Rodgers - 2005 Romo - (Undrafted) 2005 Cutler - 2006 (2007 - Another bad year... but only Russell and Quinn went in the first rd, I have not given up on Quinn yet. Trent Edwards is also a current starter) Ryan? - 2008 Flacco? - 2008 Sanchez? - 2009 Who was good from the 90's... I can only think of two sure fire HOF's in Manning an Favre. The rest of the good QB's were drafted in the 80's. You're an idiot... have a nice day Looking at QBs drafted in the 90s: McNabb 99 Culpepper 99 Peyton 98 Hasselbeck 98 Jake Plummer 97 Steve McNair 95 Kerry Collins 95 Trent Dilfer 94 Gus Frerotte 94 Drew Bledsoe 93 Mark Brunell 93 Elvis Grbac 93 Trent Green 93 Brad Johnson 92 Brett Favre 91 Jeff George 90 Neil O'Donnell 90 I'd take the QBs of this decade over the QBs of the last decade any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,737 Posted September 23, 2009 First of all, I think there needs to be a guideline for what decade a QB gets put into. The way I personally look at it, guys like Marino, Elway, Young, Aikman are all 90's guys because most of their careers were the 90's or they did most of their damage in the 90's. I think being drafted from mid 80's to early 90's would classify you for that decade as well. If you only go off being drafted in that decade then you get a bunch of guys in the late years where its really unfair to judge them based on a bad season or 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348 Posted September 23, 2009 ^^^ Jury is still out on Rodgers... I am just saying that there certainly is quality. Brees, Peyton, and Favre all sucked at first too, as did most NFL QB's. Guys like Ryan, Flacco, and Big Ben are extremely rare in their rookie year success. In fact... I'd guess you would have to go all the way back to Steve Young to find anything similar for someone in their first year starting. First Year Starting Philip Rivers 14-2 22tds, 9 ints 92.0 QB rating Steve Young no record 8tds, 13 ints 65.5 QB rating Just sayin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoleFiller 0 Posted September 23, 2009 Thats what happens when you let your Tackle play quarterback... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
