Harbaugh submitting tape of the Pats/Ravens to the league

[IGotWorms 4,060]

FOXBOROUGH - Baltimore coach John Harbaugh said yesterday he planned to submit film to the NFL office in New York of what he believes were questionable calls in the Ravens’ 27-21 loss to the Patriots Sunday at Gillette Stadium.

 

Harbaugh suggested Patriots quarterback Tom Brady got preferential treatment from the officiating crew over his own quarterback, Joe Flacco.

 

The Ravens were penalized twice for roughing the passer, each one helping set up a New England touchdown in the first half. The first went against lineman Haloti Ngata (for contact to the head), and the second went against linebacker Terrell Suggs (for contact to the knees).

 

The Patriots were credited with 10 quarterback hits and a pair of sacks, both by Mike Wright, who was penalized 15 yards for unnecessary roughness for a helmet-to-helmet blow on Flacco. Harbaugh said Flacco “got hit [six] different times hard, and there was one call.’’

 

Maybe he should submit a pair of Mark Clayton's hands to the league as well !

[djrockstar 0]

Mark it eight dude.

[ROCKET 0]

I'm sending a tape of Sugar Bear Hamilton's roughing the passer call on Kenny Stabler to the league office too.

[dmleonard 0]

Mark it eight dude.

 

 

You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.

[RoadLizard 73]

So as the sun shines...so does controversy surrounding the Patsies. What else is new?

 

I love it.

[DexterMorgan 5]

Does he really need to submit the tape? Don't you think the NFL already has it

[patweisers44 859]

I'm sending a tape of Sugar Bear Hamilton's roughing the passer call on Kenny Stabler to the league office too.

Hopefully the Ravens include the tape of that fat, focking piece of garbage tony siragusa falling on Rich Gannon knocking him out of the playoffs a few years back.

[parrot 789]

What else is new?

 

There's nothing new about the Ravens whining every time they lose a game, that's for sure.

[hoytdwow 202]

The Ravens were penalized twice for roughing the passer, each one helping set up a New England touchdown in the first half. The first went against lineman Haloti Ngata (for contact to the head), and the second went against linebacker Terrell Suggs (for contact to the knees).

 

The Patriots were credited with 10 quarterback hits and a pair of sacks, both by Mike Wright, who was penalized 15 yards for unnecessary roughness for a helmet-to-helmet blow on Flacco. Harbaugh said Flacco “got hit [six] different times hard, and there was one call.’’

 

Does Harbaugh not know the rules? Contact to the head is against the rules; contact to the knees is against the rules. Hitting the QB hard is not against the rules. HTH!

[djrockstar 0]

You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.

 

Take it easy man, I'm a pacifist.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Does Harbaugh not know the rules? Contact to the head is against the rules; contact to the knees is against the rules. Hitting the QB hard is not against the rules. HTH!

 

Wow does Harbaugh look like a jerk. That crew calls more penalties than any crew in the league. Harbaugh didn't prepare his team. Ultimately each team got called for a roughing the passer for the hit to the head and the Ravens got an extra one because Suggs is an idiot.

 

This does not help the Ravens get better. All this time complaining has not helped them learn from that loss. I love it!

 

Keep blaming everyone else, not the 2nd year QB who held onto the ball too long throughout the entire game, not the veteran WR who didn't make the catch, not Ray Lewis who gets up and dances because he made a tackle even though the Patriots got the 1st down, don't give credit to the Pats D who pressured the QB more than they have in years.

 

Absolutely terrible by Harbaugh. I predict a short career in Baltimore for this guy. Why? Because he has expectations way out of whack and they aren't going to meet them. When they don't they'll want Harbaughs head.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Does Harbaugh not know the rules? Contact to the head is against the rules; contact to the knees is against the rules. Hitting the QB hard is not against the rules. HTH!

Dude, the first one was when the D-Lineman jumped up to block a pass with his hands. As his hands came down it glanced Brady's helment. He didn't go after his head. It wasn't an intentional blow to the head. The referee has to have some discretion there for the love of football. And we all know that Suggs didn't even hardly touch Brady at all. :yawn:

 

It's pathetic the way they go overboard in protecting the QB, let alone how Brady now has a bubble around him.

 

Just watch him jumping up and down like child in the replay, then pumping his fist when the ref listened to him and threw the flag. It's hilarious.

[RoadLizard 73]

Dude, the first one was when the D-Lineman jumped up to block a pass with his hands. As his hands came down it glanced Brady's helment. He didn't go after his head. It wasn't an intentional blow to the head. The referee has to have some discretion there for the love of football. And we all know that Suggs didn't even hardly touch Brady at all. :yawn:

 

It's pathetic the way they go overboard in protecting the QB, let alone how Brady now has a bubble around him.

 

Just watch him jumping up and down like child in the replay, then pumping his fist when the ref listened to him and threw the flag. It's hilarious.

 

Dont try to confuse BBBB with any facts. You'll kill him with that.

 

Its official - Brady is a GAYME-manager now and his puss hurts because he got touched. His ingrown pen!s will eventually become a whisker-biscuit and Giselle will be cornholing him instead of the other way around.

[mzf5c5 0]

Dont try to confuse BBBB with any facts. You'll kill him with that.

 

Its official - Brady is a GAYME-manager now and his puss hurts because he got touched. His ingrown pen!s will eventually become a whisker-biscuit and Giselle will be cornholing him instead of the other way around.

 

 

Pretty much sums up BBBB. He doesn't care about facts, his opinions should be your opinions and that is all that matters to him.

[parrot 789]

not Ray Lewis who gets up and dances because he made a tackle even though the Patriots got the 1st down,

 

 

The most underrated moment in the game. I don't even think he made the tackle, I think he's just not smart enough to do the math that on fourth and 1, when the other team gets two, you lose.

[hoytdwow 202]

Dude, the first one was when the D-Lineman jumped up to block a pass with his hands. As his hands came down it glanced Brady's helment. He didn't go after his head. It wasn't an intentional blow to the head. The referee has to have some discretion there for the love of football. And we all know that Suggs didn't even hardly touch Brady at all. :yawn:

 

It's pathetic the way they go overboard in protecting the QB, let alone how Brady now has a bubble around him.

 

Just watch him jumping up and down like child in the replay, then pumping his fist when the ref listened to him and threw the flag. It's hilarious.

 

Whether the refs used proper discretion is not the point. They called the penalties based on the rules. If the Ravens don't like the rules, then their owner needs to get on the stick with the rules committee.

 

Harbaugh submitting a tape to show that Flacco was "hit hard," but not in violation of any rules, is asinine.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Dude, the first one was when the D-Lineman jumped up to block a pass with his hands. As his hands came down it glanced Brady's helment. He didn't go after his head. It wasn't an intentional blow to the head. The referee has to have some discretion there for the love of football. And we all know that Suggs didn't even hardly touch Brady at all.

 

 

KSB I'm trying to be nice here because generally you aren't so ignorant but that's what you are right now. Ignorant of the rules.

 

The REF HAS NO DISCRETION! Hit to the head is a hit to the head. Both teams got called for it and I like the rule. Otherwise players would be throwing punches at QBs heads.

 

The 2nd call for the hit to the knee, "The Brady Rule" is pretty lame but it was the RIGHT CALL, Suggs did it intentionally and he got called for it, and Brady is a smart player for pointing it out to the Ref. Furthermore while I'd like to see that rule get changed because it's too strict right now I would always think Suggs should get called for taking a senseless swipe to the knee at a QB, Tom Brady or not.

 

It was a dumb ass play. Really dumb and he did it intentionally. Have you ever heard of the term "don't whack the hornets nest or you might get stung"?

 

That's what Suggs did, he took a swing and got stung for it. Don't blame the refs, don't blame Brady, blame Suggs and Harbaugh for not being aware that these Refs called more penalties than any crew in the NFL.

 

And KSB, I've quickly learned that MZF has no friends on this board, his grammar is terrible and he's just a troll. Your argument loses pounds when he's on your side.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

The most underrated moment in the game. I don't even think he made the tackle, I think he's just not smart enough to do the math that on fourth and 1, when the other team gets two, you lose.

 

 

I won't deny Ray Lewis is awesome but I've seen him dance so much over the years and so many times he's dancing at the least appropriate moment.

 

I didn't even think that he was just too stupid to do the math.

[parrot 789]

Dude, the first one was when the D-Lineman jumped up to block a pass with his hands. As his hands came down it glanced Brady's helment. He didn't go after his head. It wasn't an intentional blow to the head. The referee has to have some discretion there for the love of football.

 

Mike Wright was simply making a play on the QB as well and his was equally unintentional. The play Harbaugh got flagged for biatching about was a ticky-tack illegal contact call, but I didn't hear him say anything about the equally ticky-tack defensive holding call on Adalius Thomas.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Mike Wright was simply making a play on the QB as well and his was equally unintentional. The play Harbaugh got flagged for biatching about was a ticky-tack illegal contact call, but I didn't hear him say anything about the equally ticky-tack defensive holding call on Adalius Thomas.

Yeah, I'm not defending Harbaugh here. The league saw the game, no need for him to keep whining. And I'm sure some of the stuff goes both ways.

 

My problem is more on the macro level with how these QB rules are enforced. The two Brady "hits" simply magnify it. Especially the way Brady lobbied for the calls to the ref.

 

I'm not sure if the rules need to be changed, or the refs need to have more discretion so they can make a judgement on "intent" or what, but something has be changed. The fact that 15 yard penalties, that can change the game, are called on plays like the one's highlighted is ridiculous. No matter what teams are playing. I get why you need to protect the QB, but it's gone overboard especially with the star QB's. (i.e. Brady)

[mzf5c5 0]

And KSB, I've quickly learned that MZF has no friends on this board, his grammar is terrible and he's just a troll. Your argument loses pounds when he's on your side.

 

BBBO, say it isn't true! You promised me you were my friend! OH NOES! BBBO isn't my friend. And according to him I have no friends here. Hey, wake up. I have friends in RL, I don't need friends on a forum. I come to the forums to have discussions and at times, poke some fun at all Pat fans. LMAO, you actually are gloating you have friends here on the boards. Like that is such a big thing? Wow, and you claim I am the loser. And you aren't a troll on the boards? Serious?

[Gepetto 1,389]

Ravens are the dirtiest team in the league. I believe they put out hits on players. Ray Lewis said before the Steelers game last year he was going to take Mendenhall out and he did, for the season. I just realized I hate the Ravens even more than the Patriots. whiny little b!tches those Ravens players and coaches are... and like was said before if you had a receiver that could catch when the ball is thrown to him on a critical 4th down, you might not have lost. Either throw to Derek Mason or draft/trade for a better WR2.

[jerryskids 6,931]

Yeah, I'm not defending Harbaugh here. The league saw the game, no need for him to keep whining. And I'm sure some of the stuff goes both ways.

 

My problem is more on the macro level with how these QB rules are enforced. The two Brady "hits" simply magnify it. Especially the way Brady lobbied for the calls to the ref.

 

I'm not sure if the rules need to be changed, or the refs need to have more discretion so they can make a judgement on "intent" or what, but something has be changed. The fact that 15 yard penalties, that can change the game, are called on plays like the one's highlighted is ridiculous. No matter what teams are playing. I get why you need to protect the QB, but it's gone overboard especially with the star QB's. (i.e. Brady)

I'd be interested to know if there is any discretion on the Brady Rule. In general I think it is stupid, because most times it is a guy fighting thru the block of a 320 pound professional athlete. I saw no intent, for instance, in the hit that knocked Brady out last year. Others disagreed when we discussed it, but anyway... what Suggs did was just plain idiotic. I saw the play live and thought "oh, that's why they have that rule." He clearly intentionally dove at the QB's knees. Who as a dumbness bonus was the guy that they put the rule in for. It doesn't matter that he wiffed (I guess that makes it a trifecta of fayle), the penalty is there to punish the intent.

 

The mild love tap to the head when a guy is trying to swat a pass... probably my most hated rule. But, it is the rule. Can't see what you'd biotch to the office about.

 

I have to think that the tape shows similar low hits and/or head shots to Flacco that weren't called. Otherwise, what is the point?

[jaxjag 43]

BBBO, say it isn't true! You promised me you were my friend! OH NOES! BBBO isn't my friend. And according to him I have no friends here. Hey, wake up. I have friends in RL, I don't need friends on a forum. I come to the forums to have discussions and at times, poke some fun at all Pat fans. LMAO, you actually are gloating you have friends here on the boards. Like that is such a big thing? Wow, and you claim I am the loser. And you aren't a troll on the boards? Serious?

 

What a funny little fellow you are! Hey! Your mom is calling you for dinner. Run along.

[mzf5c5 0]

What a funny little fellow you are! Hey! Your mom is calling you for dinner. Run along.

 

So either you are trying to imply you are at my house (which you are not) or at my mother's house. If you are there, that is pretty disgusting, to be at a home of a 60 year old woman. You looking for a rich old lady are ya? Sicko

[gitrdun 18]

Dude, the first one was when the D-Lineman jumped up to block a pass with his hands. As his hands came down it glanced Brady's helment. He didn't go after his head. It wasn't an intentional blow to the head. The referee has to have some discretion there for the love of football. And we all know that Suggs didn't even hardly touch Brady at all. :yawn:

 

It's pathetic the way they go overboard in protecting the QB, let alone how Brady now has a bubble around him.

 

Just watch him jumping up and down like child in the replay, then pumping his fist when the ref listened to him and threw the flag. It's hilarious.

 

I agree, This is supposed to be football. I don't understand everyone protecting the quarterback. Will no one watch the NFL is the QB goes out? I think they will. I don't understand why they are more important than any other position. I think in the future, the QB will have flag on them so they all stay healthy. I think it is Bullsh@t.

[The Hood 9]

So either you are trying to imply you are at my house (which you are not) or at my mother's house. If you are there, that is pretty disgusting, to be at a home of a 60 year old woman. You looking for a rich old lady are ya? Sicko

 

I come over to your mom's for the awesome gum jobs.

[byetimmy 0]

In 2002, all we heard was how the rules SHOULDN'T always be enforced when we had the "tuck" rule playoff game.

 

In 2003-04, all we heard was how the rules SHOULD always be enforced with the illegal contact.

 

In 2007, all we heard was how the rules SHOULD always be enforced with regards to taping of defensive signals.

 

Now in 2009, all we hear is how the rules SHOULDN'T always be enforced with roughing the passer.

 

 

The hypocrisy is palpable.

 

Haters... keep hatin.

[byetimmy 0]

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Just watch him jumping up and down like child in the replay, then pumping his fist when the ref listened to him and threw the flag. It's hilarious.

 

Peyton has been doing this for 10+ years. Every incomplete pass is followed by the customary pointing and hands-in-the-air protest.

 

Not to mention every time an o-lineman moves before the snap, half the d-line gets up and starts "jumping up and down like child" and pointing.

 

Calling for a penalty from the refs happens AT LEAST 10 times in EVERY NFL GAME.

 

It's probably a compliment that this isn't expected from Brady and that he's being held to a higher standard than everyone else. He obviously should be held to a higher standard because he's better.

 

Haters... keep hatin.

[RoadLizard 73]

Peyton has been doing this for 10+ years. Every incomplete pass is followed by the customary pointing and hands-in-the-air protest.

 

Not to mention every time an o-lineman moves before the snap, half the d-line gets up and starts "jumping up and down like child" and pointing.

 

Calling for a penalty from the refs happens AT LEAST 10 times in EVERY NFL GAME.

 

It's probably a compliment that this isn't expected from Brady and that he's being held to a higher standard than everyone else. He obviously should be held to a higher standard because he's better.

 

Haters... keep hatin.

 

Right. Keep dreamin'.

[mzf5c5 0]

I come over to your mom's for the awesome gum jobs.

 

Dude, if you saw my mom, I wouldn't be bragging about it. But enjoy! While you are there, I am making sure your girlfriend is pleased more than you could ever do!

[parrot 789]

I agree, This is supposed to be football. I don't understand everyone protecting the quarterback. Will no one watch the NFL is the QB goes out? I think they will. I don't understand why they are more important than any other position. I think in the future, the QB will have flag on them so they all stay healthy. I think it is Bullsh@t.

They protect the quarterbacks because throwing the ball puts them in a uniquely vulnerable position. Do you really think a defender should be allowed to just come in and plow into a QB's knees after he has released the ball?

 

What do you think the week 10 Indy/NE ratings would look like with Sorgi and Hoyer at the respective helms? Anything like with Manning and Brady? Personally I have no desire to watch the Sorgi-Hoyer faceoff and if that means Tom and Peyton are afforded a little extra protection, so be it.

 

Owners have tens of millions of dollars invested in these guys every year. It's pretty understandable they want some protection to ensure that that investment doesn't get washed down the toilet with one cheap shot.

[lambert58 72]

Every team submits tapes to the League Office regarding questionable calls. Look it up. It doesn't matter if it is the Pats or the Lions... Teams do this. It is their only recourse to b1tch about the officiating and hopefully get the call in the next game. This is no different than a basketball coach getting on an official's butt in the first half hoping for better calls in the second half. Harbaugh knows that submitting the tape will not change the outcome of the game but it might change the way the play is called in the future.

[RoadLizard 73]

They protect the quarterbacks because throwing the ball puts them in a uniquely vulnerable position. Do you really think a defender should be allowed to just come in and plow into a QB's knees after he has released the ball?

 

What do you think the week 10 Indy/NE ratings would look like with Sorgi and Hoyer at the respective helms? Anything like with Manning and Brady? Personally I have no desire to watch the Sorgi-Hoyer faceoff and if that means Tom and Peyton are afforded a little extra protection, so be it.

 

Owners have tens of millions of dollars invested in these guys every year. It's pretty understandable they want some protection to ensure that that investment doesn't get washed down the toilet with one cheap shot.

 

And other players arent in compromising positions? C'mon, lineman have fat toads falling on their legs every play. WRs cross the middle and get blasted by free safeties. RBs get piled on.

 

I dont want to watch Sorgi vs Hoyer either but I also do NOT want to watch Brady whine like my 6 year old when he gets tapped on the leg. I dont want to watch drives get artificially sustained due to horrible calls and ticky-tack penalties. I dont want the defense, which is already heavily compromised to deal with yet more rules that they are supposed to process in the middle of a play or a big tackle. Gimme a break.

 

As for investment, yeah maybe so... how about investing in an offensive line to protect that QB? The game is introuble if the integrity is at the mercy of owners investments. So, Bob Kraft's financial well-being is at the top of the list for goals in the NFL? Thats just focking great.

 

C'mon.

[parrot 789]

And other players arent in compromising positions? C'mon, lineman have fat toads falling on their legs every play. WRs cross the middle and get blasted by free safeties. RBs get piled on.

Other players do get in compromised positions, and there are certain rules in place to protect them as well, i.e. crackback blocks, no blocking below the waist when a guy is already engaged, defenseless receiver, etc. Qb's are unique in that they have to put their eyes downfield to find receivers and are thus much less able to have their head on a swivel, they also often can't assume a defensive position when they do see a hit coming in the way a runningback can because they are still trying to make a play downfield.

 

I dont want to watch Sorgi vs Hoyer either but I also do NOT want to watch Brady whine like my 6 year old when he gets tapped on the leg. I dont want to watch drives get artificially sustained due to horrible calls and ticky-tack penalties. I dont want the defense, which is already heavily compromised to deal with yet more rules that they are supposed to process in the middle of a play or a big tackle. Gimme a break.

Brady wouldn't have any reason to whine if Suggs hadn't made a ridiculously stupid play well after the ball was obviously out of his hands. There are some pretty ridiculous roughing calls, that I agree with, see the two called on the Pats against Buffalo for instance. This wasn't one of them though, it was an obvious cheap shot.

 

As for investment, yeah maybe so... how about investing in an offensive line to protect that QB? The game is introuble if the integrity is at the mercy of owners investments. So, Bob Kraft's financial well-being is at the top of the list for goals in the NFL? Thats just focking great.

 

C'mon.

 

You know about 'The Golden Rule' right? Owners have the gold, they make the rules. And if you think Jim Irsay isn't every bit as big a fan of rules that protect the QB as Kraft, you're fooling yourself. I mean after all Manning is the whole Colts team whereas Brady is just a system QB. In fact Kraft probably doesn't even really care since you can just grab any guy off the street and he could QB the Pats.

[donhaas 18]

They protect the quarterbacks because throwing the ball puts them in a uniquely vulnerable position.

 

I'm not piling on and I actually agree with Pats fans.... rules are rules and unless Harbaugh is sending in hundreds of incidents where a similar penalty was made but didn't get called, he should STFU...

 

BUT.... I watched Breet Favre play 16-17 years without these special rules and he never missed a game. This "uniquely vulnerable position" is not something that just happened in the last year of a century of football.

 

Personally, I think it's shameful. Football is a hard-hitting, violent game. Brady was well within his rights to jump up and down when they player brushed up against him, but you have to admit -- especially to these old-school quarterbacks who have been through so much -- that he looked like a bit of a pansy.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Should the NFL go to wearing flags wround the waist? What about two hand touch?

[parrot 789]

I'm not piling on and I actually agree with Pats fans.... rules are rules and unless Harbaugh is sending in hundreds of incidents where a similar penalty was made but didn't get called, he should STFU...

 

BUT.... I watched Breet Favre play 16-17 years without these special rules and he never missed a game. This "uniquely vulnerable position" is not something that just happened in the last year of a century of football.

 

Personally, I think it's shameful. Football is a hard-hitting, violent game. Brady was well within his rights to jump up and down when they player brushed up against him, but you have to admit -- especially to these old-school quarterbacks who have been through so much -- that he looked like a bit of a pansy.

 

Yeah, he did look a little silly; not nearly to the extent some people are making it out, but silly none the less. He's obviously still extra sensitive about his knees. Then again I think that's pretty understandable after missing a year due to getting hit in the knee.

[byetimmy 0]

I'm not piling on and I actually agree with Pats fans.... rules are rules and unless Harbaugh is sending in hundreds of incidents where a similar penalty was made but didn't get called, he should STFU...

 

BUT.... I watched Breet Favre play 16-17 years without these special rules and he never missed a game. This "uniquely vulnerable position" is not something that just happened in the last year of a century of football.

 

Personally, I think it's shameful. Football is a hard-hitting, violent game. Brady was well within his rights to jump up and down when they player brushed up against him, but you have to admit -- especially to these old-school quarterbacks who have been through so much -- that he looked like a bit of a pansy.

 

 

For every Favre there are 100 NFL QBs whose careers are shortened/ended by these types of plays. I don't necessarily disagree with you that the league babies the QBs now, but Favre is an outlier. A better argument would be that it's a hard-hitting game and EVERY player should be protected equally. If the NFL were REALLY serious about the safety of all players, they would require all players wear the new helmet design with Pro-Caps. But that's no happening, so all they can do is play according to the rules.

 

 

BTW: Brady looked like a pansy? No more of a pansy than the dozens of linemen you see jump up and down every week for a penalty when there's a false start. Or the dozens of receivers that jump up and down for a flag when they feel there was interference.

[donhaas 18]

BTW: Brady looked like a pansy? No more of a pansy than the dozens of linemen you see jump up and down every week for a penalty when there's a false start. Or the dozens of receivers that jump up and down for a flag when they feel there was interference.

 

When you pass interfere, you are breaking the rules and changing the course of the game by doing something illegal that has always been illegal since the beginning of football to gain a distinct advantage. When you brush up against a player well after the play and are not really taking an illegal advantage to make your team victorious doing something that has been completely legal for the 99 previous years of football, to many football players that is a completely different animal. Add to the fact that the lameass rule was made specifically for Brady, and you might understand the disdain of old-school QBs who were thrown around far worse (with no penalties) for their entire career for Brady versus their disdain for a wide receiver complaining when they getting mugged.

 

Pretty much not the same thing at all.