***Official LOST Season 6 thread***

[cbfalcon 825]

Repeat after me. "Season Six never existed. The show ended with the bomb."

 

That qualifies LOST as one of the best TV shows ever.

 

And I had less unanswered questions at the end of Season 5 than I do now. The answers we have gotten have been really cheesy and stupid. I crossed your name off Kate because you became a mother. So stealing babies is a reason? But it's just chalk through a name. You can still have the job, Kate. What the fock?

 

Philly, as a means of making myself happy that is a dandy solution. The show ended with the bomb. But that's the weakling's way out......The reality is the shiit writers wrote season 6 thus they have to live with the consequences. I'm not giving them credit for a great show when the fact is they focked it all up.

 

It's like when one of those crazy biitches loses her marbles and drowns her 3 kids in a bathtub. The husband always says "That wasn't the wife I knew. I will choose to remember her from before she want crazy."

 

Bullshiit! She drowned your focking kids. That's the way you need to remember the whorre. Even if it would be easier on one's self, you can't give that crazy biitch the peace of mind of knowing there is even one person out there that doesn't think she is insane and deserving of a painful death.

[Sho Nuff 720]

one of the worst written shows of all time. A sad conclusion really for a show that entertained me quite a bit.

 

Wow...what a completely foolish and ignorant statement.

I love the keyboard cowboys who somehow think they know what good TV writing is and how they could do it better.

 

Oh, and the rest of your post...they said from the beginning the show was character centric. Not sure why you think it wasn't.

[cbfalcon 825]

Wow...what a completely foolish and ignorant statement.

I love the keyboard cowboys who somehow think they know what good TV writing is and how they could do it better.

 

Oh, and the rest of your post...they said from the beginning the show was character centric. Not sure why you think it wasn't.

 

I never said I know what good tv writing is. I've only said I know was piss poor tv writing is. LOST has revealed itself to be written in a piss poor manner.

 

And no, they said from the beginning that the island was the real star of the show. I've seen the writers say it on DVD extras, in print, in television interviews, etc. So if the show was "character centric" then maybe one of their goals should have been to explain their stated main character a little better.

[supermike80 1,913]

I cant go all the way and say this was one of the poorest writtn shows of all time. Thats off the cliff.

It has always been entertaining. Even last nights episode, while weak in its "reveals" was interesting to watch.

 

I do agree that for some reason, the writers, producers, SOMEONE gave up on this. They realized they had too muc to tie up I guess. Shame too.

 

We have been fed a line, we have been feed a load of BS to get to this point, but it still has ben entertaining TV IMO.

 

Sure beats watching American Idol.

[cbfalcon 825]

I cant go all the way and say this was one of the poorest writtn shows of all time. Thats off the cliff.

It has always been entertaining. Even last nights episode, while weak in its "reveals" was interesting to watch.

 

I do agree that for some reason, the writers, producers, SOMEONE gave up on this. They realized they had too muc to tie up I guess. Shame too.

 

We have been fed a line, we have been feed a load of BS to get to this point, but it still has ben entertaining TV IMO.

 

Sure beats watching American Idol.

 

In the end, the fact that they never had a clue what the island was and never had any explanation for any of the mysteries isn't why the show was poorly written....that was just the con. That was the dupe job.

 

BUT....

 

Things like:

- Ben being shot in the chest, then the wound moving the next week

- The boat arriving by storm one time and on a perfect day another.

- MIB killing Echo yet being unable to kill candidates.

- Kate being crossed off the list, yet that apparently not meaning anything at all. Kind of makes those scenes with Sawyer protecting her because her name was crossed off lose their punch doesn't it?

- MIB leaving the island several times yet the whole point of the show being that he can't leave the island!!!!!!

- Ben summoning the smoke monster yet the writers wiggling out of by having Ben say "little did I know it summoned me". What a give up!

- MIB/smokey being multiple places at once..

- and many many more things I don't feel like mentioning.

 

All these things going unexplained make the show one of the most poorly written shows of all time.

[supermike80 1,913]

In the end, the fact that they never had a clue what the island was and never had any explanation for any of the mysteries isn't why the show was poorly written....that was just the con. That was the dupe job.

 

BUT....

 

Things like:

- Ben being shot in the chest, then the wound moving the next week

- The boat arriving by storm one time and on a perfect day another.

- MIB killing Echo yet being unable to kill candidates.

- Kate being crossed off the list, yet that apparently not meaning anything at all. Kind of makes those scenes with Sawyer protecting her because her name was crossed off lose their punch doesn't it?

- MIB leaving the island several times yet the whole point of the show being that he can't leave the island!!!!!!

- Ben summoning the smoke monster yet the writers wiggling out of by having Ben say "little did I know it summoned me". What a give up!

- MIB/smokey being multiple places at once..

- and many many more things I don't feel like mentioning.

 

All these things going unexplained make the show one of the most poorly written shows of all time.

 

I don't agree. These are issues sure. I think they have resorted to MAJOR cop outs this season. But I would never call it that.

[cbfalcon 825]

I don't agree. These are issues sure. I think they have resorted to MAJOR cop outs this season. But I would never call it that.

 

MIB has been off the island plenty in prior seasons, yet the whole point of the show is now that he can't get off the island. All you can say to that is "these are issues, sure"?

 

 

If you give them anything even close to a pass on that, then you are a blind apologist. I mean, for the love of God, we are being told that him getting off the island is the point of the entire 6 seasons of conflict! But he was off the island all the time in the first few seasons. It's one of the all time plot mess ups in TV history!

[supermike80 1,913]

MIB has been off the island plenty in prior seasons, yet the whole point of the show is now that he can't get off the island. All you can say to that is "these are issues, sure"?

 

 

If you give them anything even close to a pass on that, then you are a blind apologist. I mean, for the love of God, we are being told that him getting off the island is the point of the entire 6 seasons of conflict! But he was off the island all the time in the first few seasons. It's one of the all time plot mess ups in TV history!

 

 

I don't disagree with anything you said EXCEPT it being one of the most poorly written shows of all time. That's it. Ok?

[Sho Nuff 720]

I never said I know what good tv writing is. I've only said I know was piss poor tv writing is. LOST has revealed itself to be written in a piss poor manner.

 

And no, they said from the beginning that the island was the real star of the show. I've seen the writers say it on DVD extras, in print, in television interviews, etc. So if the show was "character centric" then maybe one of their goals should have been to explain their stated main character a little better.

 

And Ive seen the writer state it was a character centric show from the beginning.

We were given so much info about the characters...more so than the island. There was a reason for that...it was always about the characters.

And you state you don't know what good writing is...but your opinion is its piss poor...which is why you, and millions of others keep watching...and millions more will buy the DVDs.

[cbfalcon 825]

I don't disagree with anything you said EXCEPT it being one of the most poorly written shows of all time. That's it. Ok?

 

I just think that's the fan in you. And I understand that. It's hard to be logical and admit something is horrible when we've loved it for so long.

 

I just can't get past the fact that MIB leaves the island all the time, but now we are being told he has never left the island and that the entire 6 seasons are about him trying to get off the island. It's the definition of poor writing.

[supermike80 1,913]

I just think that's the fan in you. And I understand that. It's hard to be logical and admit something is horrible when we've loved it for so long.

 

I just can't get past the fact that MIB leaves the island all the time, but now we are being told he has never left the island and that the entire 6 seasons are about him trying to get off the island. It's the definition of poor writing.

 

I agree. This season sucks.

I don't agree that it is one of the poorest written shows of all time.

[Sho Nuff 720]

In the end, the fact that they never had a clue what the island was and never had any explanation for any of the mysteries isn't why the show was poorly written....that was just the con. That was the dupe job.

 

BUT....

 

Things like:

- Ben being shot in the chest, then the wound moving the next week

- The boat arriving by storm one time and on a perfect day another.

- MIB killing Echo yet being unable to kill candidates.

- Kate being crossed off the list, yet that apparently not meaning anything at all. Kind of makes those scenes with Sawyer protecting her because her name was crossed off lose their punch doesn't it?

- MIB leaving the island several times yet the whole point of the show being that he can't leave the island!!!!!!

- Ben summoning the smoke monster yet the writers wiggling out of by having Ben say "little did I know it summoned me". What a give up!

- MIB/smokey being multiple places at once..

- and many many more things I don't feel like mentioning.

 

All these things going unexplained make the show one of the most poorly written shows of all time.

 

The moving shot thing is a laughable criticism.

The boat...not so sure the boat arrived the same in multiple timelines...

Eko was not a candidate...whats your problem with MIB being able to kill.

Kate...another laughable criticism.

MIB left the island? Link?

Ben...it was obvious that MIB had been controlling him for a while. You call it wiggling out...most call it the obvious answer.

When was MIB/Smokey in multiple places at once?

 

Most of your criticisms you list I don't even recall as actually ever happening.

Much less a sign of poor writing.

[Sho Nuff 720]

MIB has been off the island plenty in prior seasons, yet the whole point of the show is now that he can't get off the island. All you can say to that is "these are issues, sure"?

 

 

If you give them anything even close to a pass on that, then you are a blind apologist. I mean, for the love of God, we are being told that him getting off the island is the point of the entire 6 seasons of conflict! But he was off the island all the time in the first few seasons. It's one of the all time plot mess ups in TV history!

 

When was MIB off the island?

[cbfalcon 825]

When was MIB off the island?

 

If you don't know that Eko was a candidate and you don't know of MIB being off the island talking to Jack etc, then you don't really pay enough attention to the show to really debate about the specifics/mysteries/etc.

 

I don't mean that as a criticism so try not to take it as such. I watch most shows in the same manner as it seems you've watched this show so it's completely understandable to me.

[FeelingMN 273]

When was MIB off the island?

 

I think he appeared as Christian and approached Jack in the hospital. Could have been a hallucination...but then what would explain the smoke alarms going off?

 

I won't say it's the worst written show ever....but it's been a disappointment.

 

I will say edjr deserves some props.....he saw the writing on the wall.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

If you don't know that Eko was a candidate and you don't know of MIB being off the island talking to Jack etc, then you don't really pay enough attention to the show to really debate about the specifics/mysteries/etc.

 

I don't mean that as a criticism so try not to take it as such. I watch most shows in the same manner as it seems you've watched this show so it's completely understandable to me.

 

So you have no actual proof that MIB was ever really off the island?

Eko must have already been determined not to be a candidate if MIB killed him...which he did.

Seems you are not paying enough attention to realize a few things...one of being that we have never actually seen MIB off the island.

[pimptastic69 0]

If you don't know that Eko was a candidate and you don't know of MIB being off the island talking to Jack etc, then you don't really pay enough attention to the show to really debate about the specifics/mysteries/etc.

 

I don't mean that as a criticism so try not to take it as such. I watch most shows in the same manner as it seems you've watched this show so it's completely understandable to me.

 

When was Eko shown to be a candidate? As far as I know, "Eko" was not listed in the cave or the lighthouse.

[cbfalcon 825]

So you have no actual proof that MIB was ever really off the island?

Eko must have already been determined not to be a candidate if MIB killed him...which he did.

Seems you are not paying enough attention to realize a few things...one of being that we have never actually seen MIB off the island.

 

Proof? We saw Christian off the island. It's been established as fact about 3 times that MIB is post death Christian.

 

And Eko was a candidate. His name was on the candidates list. The list is in this thread somewhere if you want to go back and look for it.

 

These are massive mistakes. Don't be gullible and say things like "Yeah, Eko was a candidate, but the rules must have been different for that scene"...or "Yeah, it's established that MIB is Christian, but it isn't proven" as you can say that about anything on the show if you are that desperate for a defense.

 

It's ok to admit you are wrong about these things. I'm basically admitting I was wrong about the whole show right now as I defended the hell out of the writers of the show for years.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think he appeared as Christian and approached Jack in the hospital. Could have been a hallucination...but then what would explain the smoke alarms going off?

 

Exactly...we "think" he appeared.

We were led to believe something...does that mean it was MIB?

Im doubting it.

And the overall theme with MIB wanting to leave...I don't think is some temporary leave the island...we have seen Jacob leave.

I think its a permanent release...which is why MIB/Locke wants to destroy the island...gaining his release.

[cbfalcon 825]

When was Eko shown to be a candidate? As far as I know, "Eko" was not listed in the cave or the lighthouse.

 

Honestly, I don't know. I didn't do the screen cap research. But this thread and other LOST message boards identified him as being a candidate and that as being one of the plot holes they needed to clear up, so I accepted it as such.

 

But if I'm wrong on that, then I'll admit I'm wrong.

[cbfalcon 825]

Exactly...we "think" he appeared.

We were led to believe something...does that mean it was MIB?

Im doubting it.

And the overall theme with MIB wanting to leave...I don't think is some temporary leave the island...we have seen Jacob leave.

I think its a permanent release...which is why MIB/Locke wants to destroy the island...gaining his release.

 

 

Well, it's been established several times that Christian and MIB are one and the same.

 

But I'll give them the finale to wiggle out of it and tell us the Christian was someone else and him being MIB was a ruse as long as they have some explanation for said ruse. My guess is it'll never be addressed. If not, then we have to assume that since the show has stated more than once that MIB is Christian, we will need to accept it. Deal?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Proof? We saw Christian off the island. It's been established as fact about 3 times that MIB is post death Christian.

 

And Eko was a candidate. His name was on the candidates list. The list is in this thread somewhere if you want to go back and look for it.

 

These are massive mistakes. Don't be gullible and say things like "Yeah, Eko was a candidate, but the rules must have been different for that scene"...or "Yeah, it's established that MIB is Christian, but it isn't proven" as you can say that about anything on the show if you are that desperate for a defense.

 

It's ok to admit you are wrong about these things. I'm basically admitting I was wrong about the whole show right now as I defended the hell out of the writers of the show for years.

 

We know MIB has used Christian on the island...we have no clue who/what Christian was off the island.

Eko may have at one point been one...but was his name crossed off at some point...and that is when MIB got him? You simply don't know...but you whine and complain anyway.

Those are not massive mistakes...its your hilarious way of whining about something.

 

Its ok to admit you really have no clue and are just complaining because they did not write the show exactly how you would have liked it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Honestly, I don't know. I didn't do the screen cap research. But this thread and other LOST message boards identified him as being a candidate and that as being one of the plot holes they needed to clear up, so I accepted it as such.

 

But if I'm wrong on that, then I'll admit I'm wrong.

 

Hah...so one of your main criticisms is not something you even caught on the show...but something you read in freaking thread on a fantasy football message board?

Are you focking kidding me?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Well, it's been established several times that Christian and MIB are one and the same.

 

But I'll give them the finale to wiggle out of it and tell us the Christian was someone else and him being MIB was a ruse as long as they have some explanation for said ruse. My guess is it'll never be addressed. If not, then we have to assume that since the show has stated more than once that MIB is Christian, we will need to accept it. Deal?

 

Your statement that they are one and the same is a falsehoood.

You assume that anytime you saw Christian off the island it was MIB...that was never established. You assume that...nothing more.

 

And no, the show has not stated more than once that MIB was Christian. Once or twice smokey mentioned to Jack or Claire or both that when they saw their father on the island it was him.

Never that they were one and the same. You assume that...and are basing another one of your main criticisms on an assumption.

[cbfalcon 825]

Its ok to admit you really have no clue and are just complaining because they did not write the show exactly how you would have liked it.

 

ok dude.

 

You were scammed. I was scammed.

 

Luckily the rape is almost over. At least I managed to enjoy it right up to the point where the writers blew their load. But that doesn't mean it wasn't rape.

[cbfalcon 825]

Once or twice smokey mentioned to Jack or Claire or both that when they saw their father on the island it was him.

Never that they were one and the same.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

ok dude.

 

You were scammed. I was scammed.

 

Luckily the rape is almost over. At least I managed to enjoy it right up to the point where the writers blew their load. But that doesn't mean it wasn't rape.

 

Scammed?

Not at all...I tuned in to be entertained by a sci fi mystery type show...and that is what I am getting.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Your problem is that you, for some reason, believe MIB becomes the person/body.

We have seen this not to be true.

You come to think MIB was Jacob's brother, or Christian, or now Locke.

He is not...he is not human.

And despite your whining...you assume he is one and the same...but we have never been told or even shown this...especially not "off the island".

You assume so...and now you are pissed at the show and now at someone pointing that out to you.

Get over it.

You base some of your biggest criticisms on an assumption and on something you read on a message board.

Hilarious.

[FeelingMN 273]

Hah...so one of your main criticisms is not something you even caught on the show...but something you read in freaking thread on a fantasy football message board?

Are you focking kidding me?

 

I thought it was pretty evident that Christian was smokie. The give away being the smoke alarms going off in the background. The proof was on screen....it just happened to be discussed here.

 

When the writers lead you to believe something....you'd be wise to believe it....it's their creation...it's their world. It'd be dumb to doubt it thinking you had a better approach.

[cbfalcon 825]

Scammed?

Not at all...I tuned in to be entertained by a sci fi mystery type show...and that is what I am getting.

 

Me too.

 

But then I found out it wasn't a sci-fi mystery show. Just a show about some characters.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I thought it was pretty evident that Christian was smokie. The give away being the smoke alarms going off in the background. The proof was on screen....it just happened to be discussed here.

 

When the writers lead you to believe something....you'd be wise to believe it....it's their creation...it's their world. It'd be dumb to doubt it thinking you had a better approach.

 

Smoke alarms? That is what you are going with?

The writers have led us to believe a lot of things that were not as we originally believed. I don't think we are ever supposed to believe 100% of what is shown to us.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Me too.

 

But then I found out it wasn't a sci-fi mystery show. Just a show about some characters.

sci-fi mystery shows can't revolve around the characters on the show?

Really?

Wow...just wow.

 

Maybe someone else told you something in this thread to be pissed about...better get on that.

[cbfalcon 825]

I thought it was pretty evident that Christian was smokie. The give away being the smoke alarms going off in the background. The proof was on screen....it just happened to be discussed here.

 

When the writers lead you to believe something....you'd be wise to believe it....it's their creation...it's their world. It'd be dumb to doubt it thinking you had a better approach.

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Not only did they actually show things happening on my television, they later had characters confirm with dialogue that the things they showed in fact happened. Thus I choose to believe that what they showed and said happened actually happened.

 

If that isn't the case, then I'm unsure what to do.

[cbfalcon 825]

Smoke alarms? That is what you are going with?

The writers have led us to believe a lot of things that were not as we originally believed. I don't think we are ever supposed to believe 100% of what is shown to us.

 

That's your defense?

 

That while much of what we saw was real, anything that doesn't jive was probably fake or imagined?

[Fenster 6]

I noticed that this overtook MW2 as the biggest thread, probably a couple months ago....

 

kutulu 198

 

What a loser!

[pimptastic69 0]

Smoke alarms? That is what you are going with?

The writers have led us to believe a lot of things that were not as we originally believed. I don't think we are ever supposed to believe 100% of what is shown to us.

 

The writers did say that every detail of the show was put there for a reason (books, paintings, and all that crap). For the smoke alarm to go off when Christian showed up has to mean something. However, at this point, I don't believe that it was MIB at the hospital. The reason I say that is that we are led to believe that all dead people are reincarnations of MIB, but if that's the case, what was reincarnating Claudia when she appeared to MIB as a child?

 

That's the biggest dissapointment for me. Early on "they" said to concentrate on the details, and now they say they're not that important and can't figure out why fans are pissed.

[Sho Nuff 720]

That's your defense?

 

That while much of what we saw was real, anything that doesn't jive was probably fake or imagined?

 

I think all writers use tools of deception to lead people in certain ways...and reveal later its not what they thought...they have done so over and over on this show...why do you chose to believe its not possible in this situation?

Oh wait...that kills your latest whine.

[cbfalcon 825]

That's the biggest dissapointment for me. Early on "they" said to concentrate on the details, and now they say they're not that important and can't figure out why fans are pissed.

 

That's the rub of it all.

 

For years we thought those details they wanted us to concentrate on were planned by the writers and clues to something. But in the end, it turns out that all the things they told us were clues were actually just randomly inserted and not clues to anything at all. There never was a grand plan.

 

Disappointing. Maybe the betrayal has me over reacting. But the fact is we were all betrayed.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The writers did say that every detail of the show was put there for a reason (books, paintings, and all that crap). For the smoke alarm to go off when Christian showed up has to mean something. However, at this point, I don't believe that it was MIB at the hospital. The reason I say that is that we are led to believe that all dead people are reincarnations of MIB, but if that's the case, what was reincarnating Claudia when she appeared to MIB as a child?

 

That's the biggest dissapointment for me. Early on "they" said to concentrate on the details, and now they say they're not that important and can't figure out why fans are pissed.

 

Sure...there could have been a reason a smoke alarm went off...saying its because it was MIB is laughable to me...as if he is actual "smoke" that would set off such an alarm is the really funny part.

 

and I can see being pissed that they kind of got away from the focus on the details stuff...that is a legit criticism.

Being pissed because you thought you read in a thread that someone was at some point a candidate...then he was killed by MIB is just downright foolish.

[cbfalcon 825]

Sure...there could have been a reason a smoke alarm went off...saying its because it was MIB is laughable to me...as if he is actual "smoke" that would set off such an alarm is the really funny part.

 

and I can see being pissed that they kind of got away from the focus on the details stuff...that is a legit criticism.

Being pissed because you thought you read in a thread that someone was at some point a candidate...then he was killed by MIB is just downright foolish.

 

Sheesh. Get over criticizing me for using message boards to learn things about this damn show. If you have never used the internet to get more info on LOST, then you have missed a lot if i were betting. LOST is an internet era show defined.