***Official LOST Season 6 thread***

[Rybo5 0]

Yippee. The last 6 years or however long this show has been on are now officially a waste.

 

I don't agree with this at all. Even if you don't like the direction the show has gone this season, that doesn't make the previous seasons you enjoyed any less enjoyable.

 

Yeah, the writers can be called into question for some things, but there was no way in hell that they could come up with any resolution to a show like this that the majority of people would be 100% fine with.

[cbfalcon 825]

but there was no way in hell that they could come up with any resolution to a show like this that the majority of people would be 100% fine with.

 

They didn't have to appease anyone. They just had to have had a real plan.

 

It turns out there was never a grand plan. They just threw stuff against a wall and made it up as they went along. They were in way over their heads once people started giving a damn about the grand scheme of the show.

[Fenster 6]

They just threw stuff against a wall and made it up as they went along.

 

 

That was pretty apparent for quite a few seasons now, IMO

[parrot 789]

They didn't have to appease anyone. They just had to have had a real plan.

 

It turns out there was never a grand plan. They just threw stuff against a wall and made it up as they went along. They were in way over their heads once people started giving a damn about the grand scheme of the show.

 

I'm torn on this. I think they probably did have at least a pretty good framework in the beginning, but when the show became a hit there was pressure to draw it out longer than they had originally intended. This necessitated introducing new characters and subplots that weren't part of the initial picture. And those characters and subplots had to bring in new mysteries or the show would lose its momentum, but this muddied the waters of the original story. Part of the reason the ending probably isn't going to be as satisfying as most of us had hoped is because they have given us six years of mostly good stuff, but there ended up being more loose ends than they could effectively tie together.

 

Maybe the destination isn't going to be that great, but the journey was a lot of fun.

[phillybear 366]

I don't agree with this at all. Even if you don't like the direction the show has gone this season, that doesn't make the previous seasons you enjoyed any less enjoyable.

 

Yeah, the writers can be called into question for some things, but there was no way in hell that they could come up with any resolution to a show like this that the majority of people would be 100% fine with.

 

They built up a sizable margin of error based on the first 5 seasons. But a stinker of final season has tempered my enthusiasm for the LOST weekend finale, and I would have called you crazy if you predicted that a couple of months ago.

 

I'm still watching. I just don't know how they can turn this around.

[phillybear 366]

They didn't have to appease anyone. They just had to have had a real plan.

 

It turns out there was never a grand plan. They just threw stuff against a wall and made it up as they went along. They were in way over their heads once people started giving a damn about the grand scheme of the show.

 

I admit that I was in denial for a long time. I guess all those errors and contradictions weren't on purpose and evidence of loops. It was just sloppy sh!t.

[jvirne 0]

They could have tied it together, IMO.

 

They just failed.

 

The only thing they did well was explain the motivations of Jacob and his brother. But they always excelled at character.

[phillybear 366]

They could have tied it together, IMO.

 

They just failed.

 

The only thing they did well was explain the motivations of Jacob and his brother. But they always excelled at character.

 

There were many, many great characters. And they were nearly all male. I was trying to name 3 solid female characters the other day? I'd go with Juliet and Penny. Where do you go next? Danielle?

 

Kate, Sun, Claire, Rose, AnaLucia, Shannon, Libby, Naomi, Nadia, Cindy, Alex, Danielle, Eloise, Charlotte, Ilana, Zoe, Nikki, Cassidy, Mrs Reyes, Helen.

 

[parrot 789]

They could have tied it together, IMO.

 

They just failed.

 

This may be true, but how do you do it? Through more historical episodes like this, or maybe through verbal exposition from Locke or something? I think trying to explain too much about the history of the island probably presented a bit of a conundrum to the writers. The more historical episodes you have, the more time you spend away from the cast of characters that brought you this far, a potentially tuff sell to the network bigwigs. You kind of need to dance with the ones that brung ya. And while hard-core viewer might have gotten some satisfaction out of long-winded lectures on the history of the island, the casual viewer (my wife) would have found it boring and off-putting.

[RicemanX 20]

Answers will just lead to more questions.....

[edjr 6,603]

YOU FOOLS!

[edjr 6,603]

They didn't have to appease anyone. They just had to have had a real plan.

 

It turns out there was never a grand plan. They just threw stuff against a wall and made it up as they went along. They were in way over their heads once people started giving a damn about the grand scheme of the show.

 

 

I've been saying that since season 3

[RicemanX 20]

Why are you guys so damn angry about this?

Its not over yet. You're acting like this was the last episode and every question needed to be answered

 

They have 3 hours left to make this right. And if they do, you guys are going to be back on here saying "OMGLOSTSOGUD"

 

Sure, if they keep heading down this track, I might be upset after the finale. But I am very surprised you guys are about to give up on the show just because they still haven't explained what the island is and why it is important.

 

I mean c'mon, this just made edjr's day...please don't make edjr smile, don't let him win this easily.

[Voltaire 5,317]

Episode was fine by me.

 

MIB is a lot more sympathetic. Jacob looks like a fool.

 

We're certainly off the good vs evil click. It's more a personality clash.

 

Funny how Jacob wasn't really given a choice and now gives everybody a choice and MIB is quoting psychomom's "they come, they destroy" line.

[edjr 6,603]

Why are you guys so damn angry about this?

Its not over yet. You're acting like this was the last episode and every question needed to be answered

 

They have 3 hours left to make this right. And if they do, you guys are going to be back on here saying "OMGLOSTSOGUD"

 

Sure, if they keep heading down this track, I might be upset after the finale. But I am very surprised you guys are about to give up on the show just because they still haven't explained what the island is and why it is important.

 

I mean c'mon, this just made edjr's day...please don't make edjr smile, don't let him win this easily.

 

You are right, it is not over.

 

However, the last episode is over, how MIB and Jacob became who they are is over, the entire show up until now is a complete joke.

 

The 1st 2 seasons were awesome and once they ran out of things to do on the island and people to add to the show, they just started throwing crap against the wall.

[CantTouchThis 23]

BTW, MIB has NOT left the island. Christian is NOT MIB, he was lying when he said that.

 

Even though this episode was disappointing, we still have 3.5 hours left. I think it will be some of the best 3.5 hours of the series.

 

One thing is for sure, most of the mythology questions will go unanswered. They did say some of the mythology will go unanswered, but i hope they answer a few more questions.

 

However, remember the quote "Questions will lead to more questions" that is what this show is....like it or not.

[Voltaire 5,317]

I want to know why pregnant women/their babies are dying on the island.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

I want to know why pregnant women/their babies are dying on the island.

 

George Bush's fault?

[CantTouchThis 23]

I want to know why pregnant women/their babies are dying on the island.

 

We are suppose to assume that "The Incident" caused whatever was causing the birth defects. I think we are going to have to make a lot of assumptions.

[cbfalcon 825]

I want to know why pregnant women/their babies are dying on the island.

 

I want to know....

 

how they time traveled, why MIB can't leave (even though he has), why Jacob even gives a fock, why Locke can walk, why most woman can't have babies, who built the statue, who dropped the food, how the pot of gold made MIB a smoke monster, why he takes over others bodies.....anything

 

and I don't want the answer to simply be "negatively charged matter means magical things happen everywhere that can't be explained". I also don't want the answer to be "Because Allison Janney said so, and whatever she wishes to happen becomes a law of nature"

[edjr 6,603]

and why did the end of Soprano's just go black?

[phillybear 366]

BTW, MIB has NOT left the island. Christian is NOT MIB, he was lying when he said that.

 

The only person that we have met on the show that can take the form of something else is MIB.

 

MIB appeared as Christian to Claire. Claire's own words.

 

MIB knew all about the frozen donkey wheel, and got Locke to turn it, as Christian.

 

But when Christian appeared off island, it wasn't MIB?

 

That makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever...which of course would be perfect for this season. Brilliant!!!

 

[edjr 6,603]

The only person that we have met on the show that can take the form of something else is MIB.

 

MIB appeared as Christian to Claire. Claire's own words.

 

MIB knew all about the frozen donkey wheel, and got Locke to turn it, as Christian.

 

But when Christian appeared off island, it wasn't MIB?

 

That makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever...which of course would be perfect for this season. Brilliant!!!

 

 

you're finally coming around.

[Meglamaniac 527]

Just my thoughts but

 

Babies born on the Island would be in the same position as Jacob and MIB, this is why Ben was trying so hard to solve the fertility problem, this would give him controll of the Island.

 

 

 

Now that I think about it it was only babies that were conceived on the Island that had issues. Claire's baby was born on the Island, wonder if that will come into play at all.

 

Anyone have any ideas on

Why was Jacobs brother able to see his dead mom but Jacob was not?

Was Jacob's brother ever named?

 

MIB can only assume the appearance of the dead, was Chrstian Dead when we say him off the Island?

 

Are we sure that the wheel allows people to leave the Island, I was under the impression that it only allowed the Island to be moved throigh time.

[CantTouchThis 23]

The only person that we have met on the show that can take the form of something else is MIB.

 

MIB appeared as Christian to Claire. Claire's own words.

 

MIB knew all about the frozen donkey wheel, and got Locke to turn it, as Christian.

 

But when Christian appeared off island, it wasn't MIB?

 

That makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever...which of course would be perfect for this season. Brilliant!!!

 

 

I still think Christian is an entire different entity. Maybe it's the "spirit" of MIBs crazy mother? There is a high chance that it is just shotty writing, but i want to believe.

[cbfalcon 825]

I still think Christian is an entire different entity. Maybe it's the "spirit" of MIBs crazy mother? There is a high chance that it is just shotty writing, but i want to believe.

 

 

Give it up man. MIB is Christian.

 

Just accept that in whatever season Christian was seen off island, the writers had no clue that they were going to try and sell us on the whole premise of the show being that MIB wants off the island but can't leave. They hadn't made up that part of the story yet.. Just like they had no clue MIB wouldn't be able to kill candidates back when the smoke monster killed Echo. And explain to me why Ben could summon the smoke monster to kill people. This when Ben was leading the Other's, aka Jacob's people.

 

Wait, I know the answer. They didn't even know there would be a MIB like character until the day they wrote the episode with him and Jacob sitting on the beach. Now it makes sense.

[nobody 2,687]

Why are you guys so damn angry about this?

Its not over yet. You're acting like this was the last episode and every question needed to be answered

 

They have 3 hours left to make this right. And if they do, you guys are going to be back on here saying "OMGLOSTSOGUD"

 

Sure, if they keep heading down this track, I might be upset after the finale. But I am very surprised you guys are about to give up on the show just because they still haven't explained what the island is and why it is important.

 

I mean c'mon, this just made edjr's day...please don't make edjr smile, don't let him win this easily.

 

 

They came out during the first season and specifically said everything strange on the island has an explanation rooted in real world science and we needed to be patient. Now all the sudden, everything is magic and the show was about character development. People don't like being lied to.

[Fenster 6]

MIB got a weekend loophole pass when he appeared as Christian off of the rock...it was shown in a mirror reflection of his backpack.

[edjr 6,603]

 

Give it up man. MIB is Christian.

 

Just accept that in whatever season Christian was seen off island, the writers had no clue that they were going to try and sell us on the whole premise of the show being that MIB wants off the island but can't leave. They hadn't made up that part of the story yet.. Just like they had no clue MIB wouldn't be able to kill candidates back when the smoke monster killed Echo. And explain to me why Ben could summon the smoke monster to kill people. This when Ben was leading the Other's, aka Jacob's people.

 

Wait, I know the answer. They didn't even know there would be a MIB like character until the day they wrote the episode with him and Jacob sitting on the beach. Now it makes sense.

 

Welcome to the camp.

[CantTouchThis 23]

The loophole theory still has a chance.

[edjr 6,603]

The loophole theory still has a chance.

 

The only chance this show has is when they say that everyone on the plane crash died and this entire 6 seasons worth of shows was made up in Jack's head.

[CantTouchThis 23]

The only chance this show has is when they say that everyone on the plane crash died and this entire 6 seasons worth of shows was made up in Jack's head.

 

There is still a chance.... Not gonna lie, they really needed this episode to connect the dots, and it did not. The character development part of the show is very well done, but the mythological part they have shredded with this past episode. Most Lost fans, like myself, really wanted to see why the island was so special. They said there is a light in a cave. DFGds;oagdsalgjbkdsl

[RicemanX 20]

They said there is a light in a cave.

We all know what that light is. We've seen it before.

 

Do you guys HONESTLY need everything spelled out for you?

Can't you just assume things like I do all the time like how most women are attracted to me and just are too shy to talk to such a good looking dude like me?

[edjr 6,603]

There is still a chance.... Not gonna lie, they really needed this episode to connect the dots, and it did not. The character development part of the show is very well done, but the mythological part they have shredded with this past episode. Most Lost fans, like myself, really wanted to see why the island was so special. They said there is a light in a cave. DFGds;oagdsalgjbkdsl

 

Yeah, a light in a cave that only one person could find? Just like everything else on the island, it just shows up when it's needed and any other time no one has ever seen it.

 

Explain this to me oh wise lost writers. Does the light in the save shut off at night? Don't you think it would be pretty easy to find at night? I mean, c'mon, get real already.

[CantTouchThis 23]

We all know what that light is. We've seen it before.

 

It's life. Got it. Yet it turns MIB into the smoke monster, a fate worse than death. It allows people to leave the island. If unbalanced, the island moves in space-time. The light is, at least i assume, is either a super-element that creates electromagnetic energy. Or it's some weird space-time discontinuity, or it's pure energy coming from some source and turns people into smoke monsters.

 

I have an open mind, any of these explanations i will be happy with to be honest. However, they didn't explain it at all. It's a light in a cave. That is all. I am as big of a Lost fan as anyone, i still LOVE the show, i would fock it if it had a vagina(maybe that's what the light is) and this single episode doesn't effect the series as a whole too much. They still have 3.5 hours. Like i said, since the crappy Mr.Linus episode, which was almost as disappointing as this past episode, i think every episode has been good-amazing. This season has been somewhat inconsistent, but a few episodes are the best of the whole series.

 

I just hope they explain SOME of the mythology of the island. They have answered a lot of questions this season about that, but still the main one-----what is the island?-------has been touched but still hasn't been fully explained. It contains evil- whether that is just MIB or hell itself we don't know yet- and it has elements that defies the known laws of physics. Oh yeah, and it has a light in a cave.

[CantTouchThis 23]

I thought this was funny on Lostpedia, it's the 2nd recent most frequently asked question:

 

 

 

Where did jacob's mom learn her spells and why does she not require a wand?

 

 

[IAMWood 6]

So after the crazy lady killed the mom, what did the babies eat? Those old droop teets couldn't produce milk, could they? :puke:

 

[Bill E. 703]

I was so hoping for a BSG ending

 

They nailed that ending. Galactica is of the top 3 shows of all time and the best wrap up I have seen. Pure genius IMO.

 

 

Are you effing sh!tting me? The last couple seasons of the X-Files WERE AWFUL. EPICALLY AWFUL.

 

I bought the box set of X-Files and it is a lot better seeing them all in a row. The last couple seasons were better than they were given credit for. What hurt it in the end was the whole Scully's Baby and Where in the World is Fox Mulder? stuff. If they had written them both off and let the new cast run with it, it would have been much better.

 

 

 

The thing I always liked about Lost was there were some really powerful characters. The thing that bugs me about Lost now is the characters that seemed so important early on mean nothing now. First it seemed that Locke was going to be key in all this but now he is dead. Then it was Desmond with the knowledge of the future. then Ben and Windmore seemed to be key. During the time travel sequence Sawyer seemed to be important and with Hurley talking to dead people he seemed to maybe be a key in all this. Then it seemed that maybe Richard was more important to how this would turn out.

 

I really thought the key to the show was going to be Richard going back in time and bringing Locke to the island as a child so Ben would never lead the others and fock things up. The thing was that the writers did a great job with all of these characters then they would just drop them. Now all that matters are two ancient brothers that do not see eye to eye and are using these people that seemed important for years as pawns. There is not enough time left to answer the questions like those mentioned in this thread earlier today. I still do not get why Jacob just let Ben kill him without a successor like his Mother had. I am really disappointed but maybe they will pull something out of their asssses..errr.. hats to salvage the ending.

[jvirne 0]

This may be true, but how do you do it?

 

Here's some suggestions: http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...t&p=4228307

 

 

 

And look, I hate to answer the "THEY'VE BEEN MAKING IT ALL UP AS THEY WENT" crowd, because they're partly just trolls, but here I go -

 

NO SH!T YOU IDIOTS!

 

How do you almost every great play, novel, or TV show is written? Of course they made it up as they went along.

 

That isn't the issue.

 

PB is the only one that seems to get it: the issue is that once a writer sets up a world, there are certain "rules" that govern that universe. Everything in that fictional world needs to either obey those rules or explain why a deviation is presented. This is one of the foundations of good writing.

 

The issue here isn't that the LOST writers aren't answering questions, it's that they're answering them very sloppily, through contradictions and inconsistencies.

 

1. Eko should not have been killed by Smokey.

 

2. Christian (if he's indeed Smokey) should not have been able to leave the island.

 

3. Adam and Eve are clearly not 50 years old.

 

This is just sloppy writing. THAT's the issue. I could care less if they had no idea about MIB until the end of Season 5. Who cares?

[Quickolas1 80]

My issue with the consistency and the question that I keep thinking about is:

 

If MIB can take the form of dead people (let's stick with ON the island)...who was Walt when he appeared wet to Shannon and appeared to Locke to tell him to "get up, you have work to do" when Locke was shot in the dharma dead folk pit? Same thing/person who was Claudia? The light/island itself?

 

Makes sense Smokie was Yemi. Makes sense as the chick who was married to the dude Juliet was sleeping with.

 

But Walt's body was not on the island, nor dead. Also, Dave to Hurley? Black horse to Kate?

And Christian off the island. Christian was dead the times we saw him (to Michael on the freighter, to Jack when Jack was cracking up after returning from the island). Libby was also dead when Michael saw her in the hospital.

 

Had to be a reason Ben wanted Walt so bad.

 

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As far as a question brought up about why Ben was able to 'summon' smokie...pretty sure Smokie said he chose to come, to keep events unfolding as he wanted. Assuming he envisioned the loophole playing out (that he'd need Ben), it makes sense he'd need to save Ben so he could later do Jacob in.

 

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Still no idea what Widmore is about. Maybe he could explain more about the island since Alpert seems to not have any further info. Eloise seems to have always known everything about anything as well if they get her in here somehow. Was the light/island also Alpert's dead wife and Charlie and Ana Lucia and everyone else OFF the island? The island wouldn't let Michael kill himself, not Smokie.

 

HAS to be more explanation coming. All these deaths, most importantly of Locke the true believer have to be rectified. Or Lindelof/Carlton will be crucified.