Seahawks fans

[phillybear 366]

Let me put it this way. Am I rooting for the Rams? No fockin way! And I fully understand Hawk fans feeling winning and making the playoffs trumps everything. However, realistically, this franchise is stuck in the mud without a competent QB. Charlie Whitehurst is not the answer. Hass can't stay healthy and is over the hill. This team needs a franchise QB desperately. When the hawks are picking in the low 20s in April, making the playoffs at 7-9 and getting smoked by the Saints (this team has lost 9 games by an average of 21.2 points) will be meaningless and painful as we watch the franchise QBs go off the board.

 

I spent a little bit of time thinking this morning. Mostly about I managed to avoid feeling hungover. But realistically, how many teams next year are going to be looking to draft a QB prospect in the early rounds, like Seattle is likely to be. Seems to me that it's going to be a lower number than usual. Just look around the league and circumstances.

 

NFC East: Washington. McNabb is done.

NFC South: None. Carolina just drafted Clausen.

NFC North: Minnesota. Tavaris Jackson? Eh, unless the guy is on a 7 year development plan.

NFC West: Arizona, Seattle, San Francisco. Well, if Arizona likes Skelton or Hall, they could drop out. SF can't go with Alex Smith anymore, not with a new coach. Seattle seems obvious, even when Hasselbeck is r-esigned.

 

AFC East: None. I think Fitzpatrick and Henne will be starting next year.

AFC North: None. Colt McCoy will be starting.

AFC South: None. That dope that owns the Titans likes Vince Young.

AFC West: None. Oakland is coming off the Russell disaster and Campbell/Gradkowski isn't a horrible combo. Orton/Tebow will start.

 

So...

Washington

Minnesota

Arizona

Seattle

San Francisco

Any team looking for a luxury pick in a QB to stash on the bench for a few years.

 

At least 4 QBs are expected to go first round: Andrew Luck, Ryan Mallet, Jake Locker, Nick Foles

Early round picks: Cam Newton, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert

 

This is a really deep QB draft, one of the best in years, with some really outstanding prospects at the top.

 

I stand by most of my earlier post. Not all that many teams are looking to go QB early, and we won't jump ahead of the ones that want one. We don't have the picks to move up either. Also, drop Foles out of the equation, since he is returning to school. And Cam Newton will never be anything more than a wildcat QB, an early round bust.

 

And you don't necessarily need to spend a top 5 pick on a QB. Aaron Rodgers. Colt McCoy. Josh Freeman. Joe Flacco. Matt Schaub. Kevin Kolb. And so on. You could end up with a bust like Mark Sanchez, with a huge contract, and ruin your franchise for years to come. As much as we might want a QB this year, I'm not so sure Carroll is going to give up on Whitehurst yet, much to our horror. I'm starting to think we are going to stock up on talent at each pick, and not force one on a QB this year.

 

So you might as well get ready for Sunday with the right frame of mind.

[phillybear 366]

You missed the context of what I was saying. I didn't call them that, I was projecting what the masses would be saying in relation to the "worst playoff team ever" nuance.

 

You are quick to attack anyone that dares enter your precious thread and provide any kind of comment or opinion. maybe Sweetness has you on edge where you expect every comment is some kind of slight or jab - its not always the case.

 

Carry on.

 

The last two years, this thread was nothing but flame wars. Which we didn't start. And which we didn't lose. You can still feel the tension.

[Walter34 3]

The last two years, this thread was nothing but flame wars. Which we didn't start. And which we didn't lose. You can still feel the tension.

 

You are a plucky bunch

[mahoney 9]

You guys are actually rooting against your team?

 

What a bunch of latte drinking pansies

 

You get a home playoff game in one of the toughest stadiums in the NFL to play in? As a fan I would love the chance to knock off the Saints or Packers or whoever shows up.

 

I'm rooting for us to win. Eff it...let's make the playoffs with 7 wins, it's the playoffs for crissakes. Hosting a playoff game at Qwest Field, anything can happen.

Yes, we'll probably get laughed at by the entire nation, possibly generating a "Seahawks Rule" altering the playoff format but we're not getting Andrew Luck win or lose so...might as well play a playoff game.

[phillybear 366]

I'm rooting for us to win. Eff it...let's make the playoffs with 7 wins, it's the playoffs for crissakes. Hosting a playoff game at Qwest Field, anything can happen.

Yes, we'll probably get laughed at by the entire nation, possibly generating a "Seahawks Rule" altering the playoff format but we're not getting Andrew Luck win or lose so...might as well play a playoff game.

 

It's not a bad spot to be in. Win, make the playoffs. Lose, move up a number of spots in the draft.

 

Either way, it won't be a soul crushing day.

[FlaHawker 24]

You missed the context of what I was saying. I didn't call them that, I was projecting what the masses would be saying in relation to the "worst playoff team ever" nuance.

 

You are quick to attack anyone that dares enter your precious thread and provide any kind of comment or opinion. maybe Sweetness has you on edge where you expect every comment is some kind of slight or jab - its not always the case.

 

Carry on.

I attack no one who comes in with a valid opinion and doesn't diss the Hawks. Carry on.

[FantasyKing 4]

OK jokes aside...

 

I dont know how you guys would not be rooting for the Seahawks to win, get in the playoffs and you never know what can happen. Who cares about a higher draft pick -this would be some valuable learning experiences for the young guys. Get in there and maybe they can shock the world, who knows - thats why they play the games. Peace

[FlaHawker 24]

I stand by most of my earlier post. Not all that many teams are looking to go QB early, and we won't jump ahead of the ones that want one. We don't have the picks to move up either. Also, drop Foles out of the equation, since he is returning to school. And Cam Newton will never be anything more than a wildcat QB, an early round bust.

 

And you don't necessarily need to spend a top 5 pick on a QB. Aaron Rodgers. Colt McCoy. Josh Freeman. Joe Flacco. Matt Schaub. Kevin Kolb. And so on. You could end up with a bust like Mark Sanchez, with a huge contract, and ruin your franchise for years to come. As much as we might want a QB this year, I'm not so sure Carroll is going to give up on Whitehurst yet, much to our horror. I'm starting to think we are going to stock up on talent at each pick, and not force one on a QB this year.

 

So you might as well get ready for Sunday with the right frame of mind.

Trust me, I know the danger of spending a high # 1 on a QB (Mirer and McGwire). This is tough. Obviously I want the team to win, but on the other hand, the franchise is in trouble. This is not a good team. Pete Carroll and John Schneider, despite the over 200 roster moves, have not improved this team. Statistically, this team is worse than last year. Realistically, if Kurt Warner doesn't retire, this team is probably 4-11 right now.

[phillybear 366]

This is not a good team. Pete Carroll and John Schneider, despite the over 200 roster moves, have not improved this team. Statistically, this team is worse than last year. Realistically, if Kurt Warner doesn't retire, this team is probably 4-11 right now.

 

I have to disagree. The roster overhaul was wise, and there is reason for hope. There was an influx of young talented players added to the roster, and other players that came in from other teams that are acclimating to the new systems. I saw a lot of guys out of position rather than not being good enough to play. The draft was a a success. I could go position by position, but that could take time. The future is looking up, and don't forget how pessimistic I tend to be. Next year, I'll be more demanding.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I want a crack at Newton and Locker or Gabbert and Mallet if they declare. All 4 of those guys are loaded with talent and I'd be willing to "roll the dice" on our coaching staff being able to realize said talents. After 3 seasons of Broken Matt Hasselbeck/Seneca Wallace/Charlie focking Frye/Chuck Whitehurst Im ready for some life to be blown back into the position. I don't want to jeopardize missing out on a chance at greatness at the most important position on the field just to watch one more blowout loss this season.

 

That doesn't mean I'll be rooting FOR the Rams, I just wont be so invested in the outcome of the game. If I thought winning the game would be something our team could build off of, I wouldnt care if we made the playoffs at 7-9. If Whitey had shown signs of life last week, or if we had played Atlanta, Frisco, or Tampa close then I would be able to look at a win this weeks as more then just us beating one of the sh!tty teams in our division. An ugly, sloppy win over the Rams sandwiched in between 20+ point losses to decent teams is not worth free falling 10+ spots in the draft order. It's not going to help us become a legitimate contender in the future.

 

I'm just trying to be a realist. If that makes me a bad fan, then I'm a bad fan.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I have to disagree. The roster overhaul was wise, and there is reason for hope. There was an influx of young talented players added to the roster, and other players that came in from other teams that are acclimating to the new systems. I saw a lot of guys out of position rather than not being good enough to play. The draft was a a success. I could go position by position, but that could take time. The future is looking up, and don't forget how pessimistic I tend to be. Next year, I'll be more demanding.

 

I agree, I had a post about this on the last page. Okung, Thomas, BMW, Leon Washington, Thurmond, Red Bryant and Clemons (or just the Leo end position as a pass-rush weapon in general) combined with the continual improvement of Aaron Curry gives us more hope for the future then we ever had last season.

[Gepetto 1,370]

I want a crack at Newton and Locker or Gabbert and Mallet if they declare. All 4 of those guys are loaded with talent and I'd be willing to "roll the dice" on our coaching staff being able to realize said talents. After 3 seasons of Broken Matt Hasselbeck/Seneca Wallace/Charlie focking Frye/Chuck Whitehurst Im ready for some life to be blown back into the position. I don't want to jeopardize missing out on a chance at greatness at the most important position on the field just to watch one more blowout loss this season.

 

That doesn't mean I'll be rooting FOR the Rams, I just wont be so invested in the outcome of the game. If I thought winning the game would be something our team could build off of, I wouldnt care if we made the playoffs at 7-9. If Whitey had shown signs of life last week, or if we had played Atlanta, Frisco, or Tampa close then I would be able to look at a win this weeks as more then just us beating one of the sh!tty teams in our division. An ugly, sloppy win over the Rams sandwiched in between 20+ point losses to decent teams is not worth free falling 10+ spots in the draft order. It's not going to help us become a legitimate contender in the future.

 

I'm just trying to be a realist. If that makes me a bad fan, then I'm a bad fan.

 

 

What's so great about Gabbert and Locker? They always seem to disappoint. Watch the Nebraska Cornhuskers destroy Locker again tonight, just like they did before and they did to Gabbert.

[FlaHawker 24]

I have to disagree. The roster overhaul was wise, and there is reason for hope. There was an influx of young talented players added to the roster, and other players that came in from other teams that are acclimating to the new systems. I saw a lot of guys out of position rather than not being good enough to play. The draft was a a success. I could go position by position, but that could take time. The future is looking up, and don't forget how pessimistic I tend to be. Next year, I'll be more demanding.

I agree they had to overhaul the roster and it was wise to do so. The results on the field just haven't been there and the biggest move they made was a colossal bust--Whitehurst.

[FlaHawker 24]

I agree, I had a post about this on the last page. Okung, Thomas, BMW, Leon Washington, Thurmond, Red Bryant and Clemons (or just the Leo end position as a pass-rush weapon in general) combined with the continual improvement of Aaron Curry gives us more hope for the future then we ever had last season.

This team still has ZERO impact players on offense. BMW and Washington, while nice comeback stories, are merely bit players. Okung is the only bright spot on a dreadful O-Line. The defense, outside of Clemons, Mebane, Thomas, and Heater Hawthorne, pfft, not much. Tatupu is clearly regressing big time, and Aaron Curry is a bust; he has shown nothing this year. The CBs are horrible. I guess I just don't see the optimism yet.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

This team still has ZERO impact players on offense. BMW and Washington, while nice comeback stories, are merely bit players. Okung is the only bright spot on a dreadful O-Line. The defense, outside of Clemons, Mebane, Thomas, and Heater Hawthorne, pfft, not much. Tatupu is clearly regressing big time, and Aaron Curry is a bust; he has shown nothing this year. The CBs are horrible. I guess I just don't see the optimism yet.

 

Agreed. I was just comparing what we have now to what we had last year. It says more about how bad things were last year, but progress is progress. There is still a long ways to go.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

What's so great about Gabbert and Locker? They always seem to disappoint. Watch the Nebraska Cornhuskers destroy Locker again tonight, just like they did before and they did to Gabbert.

 

Didnt the Florida Gators destroy Manning every season at UT? Im not comparing either guy to Manning, but basing a guy's entire pro future on his success against one team is beyond silly. Locker has played on some dreadful UW teams.

 

Watching Hass limp around and noodle arm it 15 yards down the field for 3 years has me ready to jump on any young talent.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I agree they had to overhaul the roster and it was wise to do so. The results on the field just haven't been there and the biggest move they made was a colossal bust--Whitehurst.

 

I would also take issue with the Josh Wilson for a 4th round pick trade.

[FlaHawker 24]

I would also take issue with the Josh Wilson for a 4th round pick trade.

Thanks for the reminder Yeah kelly Jennings was better than Wilson

[Joey Gladstone 33]

What's so great about Gabbert and Locker? They always seem to disappoint. Watch the Nebraska Cornhuskers destroy Locker again tonight, just like they did before and they did to Gabbert.

 

Great call jackass!

 

Maybe you should just focus on being a front-running Eagles fan?

[Gepetto 1,370]

Great call jackass!

 

Maybe you should just focus on being a front-running Eagles fan?

 

You're impressed with Locker in this game? You can have him then Mr. Seahawk. Good luck with that.

[Gepetto 1,370]

Tonight - Washington vs. Nebraska

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT

Jake Locker 5/16 56 3.5 0 0

13 carries 86 yards and 1 rushing TD

 

 

Sep. 18th - Washington vs. Nebraska

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT

J. Locker 4/20 71 3.6 1 2

11 carries 59 yards and 1 rushing TD

 

 

http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=184374

 

Not a PRO QB.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

You're impressed with Locker in this game? You can have him then Mr. Seahawk. Good luck with that.

 

When you made your initial comment did you mention anything about Locker's suspect accuracy? Did you mention concerns over Gabbert playing in a spread offense? No, instead of actual analysis you brought up the Nebraska Cornhuskers.

 

I doubt you've ever even watched Locker play. The fact that you don't like him makes me like him even more.

 

But please, feel free to let me know what Charlie Casserly thinks of him some time.

 

also, how did riding Jerome Harrison to a championship work out for you?

[Gepetto 1,370]

When you made your initial comment did you mention anything about Locker's suspect accuracy? Did you mention concerns over Gabbert playing in a spread offense? No, instead of actual analysis you brought up the Nebraska Cornhuskers.

 

I doubt you've ever even watched Locker play. The fact that you don't like him makes me like him even more.

 

But please, feel free to let me know what Charlie Casserly thinks of him some time.

 

also, how did riding Jerome Harrison to a championship work out for you?

 

Jerome Harrison never saw the field for me; he just never got the playing time he needed. I got 2nd and 3rd so :dry: Charlie Casserly is a wrinkly old stupid man and I'm sorry I ever mentioned him. I asked you what's so great about Gabbert and Locker. Never got an answer.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Tonight - Washington vs. Nebraska

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT

Jake Locker 5/16 56 3.5 0 0

13 carries 86 yards and 1 rushing TD

 

 

Sep. 18th - Washington vs. Nebraska

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT

J. Locker 4/20 71 3.6 1 2

11 carries 59 yards and 1 rushing TD

 

 

http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=184374

 

Not a PRO QB.

 

2 years ago Washington didn't even win a game. Is there anybody else on that offense that will make it as a pro? He's going to need some work but the tools and leadership are there.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Jerome Harrison never saw the field for me; he just never got the playing time he needed. I got 2nd and 3rd so :dry: Charlie Casserly is a wrinkly old stupid man and I'm sorry I ever mentioned him. I asked you what's so great about Gabbert and Locker. Never got an answer.

 

When did I ever say they were great? Gabbert is huge and has a great arm. Locker is one of the best athletes in college football. Both are smart, confident leaders. Like most Qbs coming out of college both are far from finished products. I think either of them could be successful in the NFL with the proper coaching...both guys have flaws that are very correctable.

 

As much as you like to bash on them, I'm assuming you've seen a few Seahawks games over the past three years. At this point im willing to take a chance on any toolsy young quarterback.

[Gepetto 1,370]

When did I ever say they were great? Gabbert is huge and has a great arm. Locker is one of the best athletes in college football. Both are smart, confident leaders. Like most Qbs coming out of college both are far from finished products. I think either of them could be successful in the NFL with the proper coaching...both guys have flaws that are very correctable.

 

As much as you like to bash on them, I'm assuming you've seen a few Seahawks games over the past three years. At this point im willing to take a chance on any toolsy young quarterback.

 

Never said you said they were great. I guess I should have phrased my question why would you want the Seahawks to draft either Locker or Gabbert in the first round. Thanks for the answer. I just think 1st round is too high for these guys based on their college results, and specifically Locker's completion percentage and Gabbert's decision making.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Never said you said they were great. I guess I should have phrased my question why would you want the Seahawks to draft either Locker or Gabbert in the first round. Thanks for the answer. I just think 1st round is too high for these guys based on their college results, and specifically Locker's completion percentage and Gabbert's decision making.

 

I'm tired of Seattle being so coservative with their offseason moves. The quarterback position has been neglected for far too long by this team. A lot of that is on the previous administration as our GM had ridiculous guidlines by wich he would draft players. I don't blame the current administration as there wasn't a lot to choose from last season, hence the horrible trade for Whitehurst.

 

This season there could be some guys with a bright future available to Seattle. I'm ready to swing for the fences.

[FlaHawker 24]

Never said you said they were great. I guess I should have phrased my question why would you want the Seahawks to draft either Locker or Gabbert in the first round. Thanks for the answer. I just think 1st round is too high for these guys based on their college results, and specifically Locker's completion percentage and Gabbert's decision making.

Which NFL team do you scout for?

[FlaHawker 24]

Locker finishes with a Huskies win – and a winning season

BY DON RUIZ

Last updated: December 30th, 2010 11:34 PM (PST)

SAN DIEGO – When redshirt freshman Jake Locker made his electrifying University of Washington debut at Syracuse four seasons ago, it was hard not to wonder what he might accomplish through his college career.

 

Now we know.

 

Locker’s four seasons as the Huskies’ starting quarterback and undisputed leader came to an end Thursday with a 19-7 win over Nebraska at the Holiday Bowl.

 

“We really came together these last four weeks,” Locker said. “Like I’ve said before, it’s not always perfect and pretty but we found ways to win games. I wouldn’t want to play with anybody else in the country.”

 

It turned out to be Locker’s only bowl appearance. And it clinched what turned out to be his only winning season.

 

Not surprisingly, Locker was instrumental.

 

He set up Washington’s first touchdown with a 16-yard reception of a pass from freshman Jesse Callier. Then, after missing all six of his first-half pass attempts, Locker completed a 26-yard post to fellow-senior D’Andre Goodwin early in the third quarter. On the next play, Locker ran through three Nebraska defenders in covering the remaining 25 yards for the touchdown that pushed Washington ahead, 17-7.

 

“It’s always good when you can come out at the start of the second half and put points on the board,” Locker said. “That kind of put some pressure on them back to score.”

 

Locker made his much-anticipated UW debut on Aug. 31, 2007.

 

His first pass fell incomplete. His first run went for no gain.

 

But once Locker got going, he lived up to the fondest hopes of Washington Huskies fans: a dominating 42-12 win over the Orange, 14-of-19 passing for 142 yards, 10 carries for 83 yards and two touchdowns.

 

However, Locker was always a team guy. And team accomplishments were doled out less lavishly than anyone might have expected back in 2007.

 

That first Locker team went 4-9. The second, 0-12. The third, 5-7.

 

Locker’s fourth and final UW team got off to a 3-6 start. But they ended the regular season with three straight do-or-die wins that sent them to San Diego for the school’s first bowl appearance since 2002.

 

There, Locker was paired again against Nebraska, the team that had handed him his longest afternoon as a Husky back in September. That day Locker completed four of 20 passes for 71 yards, with two interceptions in a 56-21 loss to the Cornhuskers.

 

His numbers weren’t much better in the rematch: 5 of 16 passing for 56 yards, along with 85 rushing yards.

 

But, of course, the result was different, and that’s what mattered.

 

“We were able to keep the game tight, which allowed us to keep running the ball,” Locker said. “It didn’t force us into a lot of passing situations; they’re a great pass defense. They have been all year against everybody. We didn’t have great effectiveness, but we did when we needed to tonight.”

 

Locker appeared in 40 games as a Husky. He accounted for 9,578 yards, rushing and passing.

 

He holds the school quarterback rushing record for career 1,939 and single-season (986 in 2007). He ranks second in career passing yards (7,649), passing attempts (1,147), completions (619) and touchdown passes (53). He has accounted for (496) points through rushing or passing, (eight behind Cody Pickett’s record). He shares the school record of five touchdown passes in a game with Chris Rowland.

 

“Words can’t state what Jakes means to this program, to the University of Washington, the state of Washington,” athletic director Scott Woodward said. “He’s just what this game and what this university and what this state is all about.”

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/12/30/v-printerfriendly/1483813/locker-finishes-with-a-huskies.html#ixzz19edwPfyL

[phillybear 366]

This team still has ZERO impact players on offense. BMW and Washington, while nice comeback stories, are merely bit players. Okung is the only bright spot on a dreadful O-Line. The defense, outside of Clemons, Mebane, Thomas, and Heater Hawthorne, pfft, not much. Tatupu is clearly regressing big time, and Aaron Curry is a bust; he has shown nothing this year. The CBs are horrible. I guess I just don't see the optimism yet.

 

Marshawn Lynch is the most welcome impact player on offense that we added this year.

Mike Williams is a free agent this year. No guarantee he comes back.

The offensive line needs a lot more work. And they can't stay healthy. Okung has missed a sh!tload of games this year with ankle injuries, but when he plays, they run the ball much better.

On defense, you clearly left out Red Bryant, Tatupu, and Curry.

Tatupu has played with a hurt knee all year. The man is limping out there. How can a hurt Okung be a bright spot, but a hurt Tatupu be regressing?

Aaron Curry has been one of the most improved players this year and he has become a borderline impact player. His athleticism is off the charts; it would be nice if he stopped thinking out there and started to play instinctively. Unfortunately, you won't pad a stat sheet playing alongside Tatupu and Hawthorne.

Trufant has been hurt. Thurmond and Chancellor and Thomas and Roy Lewis are a nice young core.

 

We see the roster differently.

 

We need help at WR and offensive line, need a couple of guys to fill out the defensive line, and a QB to develop for the future. The other positions look OK for now.

[phillybear 366]

I would also take issue with the Josh Wilson for a 4th round pick trade.

 

Wilson sucked. He couldn't cover a soda machine running a pattern. I'm thrilled we got that much for him. I'm glad that so many Ravens got hurt that they were forced to use Wilson, and increased the value of the draft pick we got.

[phillybear 366]

Never said you said they were great. I guess I should have phrased my question why would you want the Seahawks to draft either Locker or Gabbert in the first round. Thanks for the answer. I just think 1st round is too high for these guys based on their college results, and specifically Locker's completion percentage and Gabbert's decision making.

 

Gabbert might go 3rd round. Locker might go late first.

 

College QBs get drafted on potential and possible acclimation to running a pro offense. It has nothing to do with college results. NOTHING. I'd feel more comfortable taking a QB running a pro offense in the MAC than risk a pick on some over hyped SEC QB.

 

I pray that some idiot team takes that sack of suck Cam Newton with an early 1st round pick. Cam Newton is a poor man's version of Jamarcus Russell. Well, poor man is a bad choice of words. He made some serious money taking that money from Auburn.

[phillybear 366]

Which NFL team do you scout for?

 

I have to disagree with this premise. You don't have to be a scout to know obvious truths, like Ruskell's drafts were doomed for failure.

 

I'd like to think I can pick better NFL prospects than a certain number of scouts. I do my work, watch a lot of games, follow every college team. And I have a tremendously large ego.

[FlaHawker 24]

Marshawn Lynch is the most welcome impact player on offense that we added this year.

Mike Williams is a free agent this year. No guarantee he comes back.

The offensive line needs a lot more work. And they can't stay healthy. Okung has missed a sh!tload of games this year with ankle injuries, but when he plays, they run the ball much better.

On defense, you clearly left out Red Bryant, Tatupu, and Curry.

Tatupu has played with a hurt knee all year. The man is limping out there. How can a hurt Okung be a bright spot, but a hurt Tatupu be regressing?

Aaron Curry has been one of the most improved players this year and he has become a borderline impact player. His athleticism is off the charts; it would be nice if he stopped thinking out there and started to play instinctively. Unfortunately, you won't pad a stat sheet playing alongside Tatupu and Hawthorne.

Trufant has been hurt. Thurmond and Chancellor and Thomas and Roy Lewis are a nice young core.

 

We see the roster differently.

 

We need help at WR and offensive line, need a couple of guys to fill out the defensive line, and a QB to develop for the future. The other positions look OK for now.

Tatupu is clearly not the player he was and as you said, when Okung plays, the O Line is different/better. Thus, Okung has been a bright spot. Tatupu never had great skills to begin with and in 2011 he will be another year older and those skills will be another year depriciated. He is not on the rise as a player.

 

I guess we see Curry differently. IMO, the next impact play he makes, will be his first. Unfortunately athleticism does not always equate to being a good/great football player. IMO, when I hear someone say that a guy thinks too much and doesn't play instinctively, to me that means the guy is stupid and doesn't know where he should be. Not sure Curry will ever be instinctive. It just kills me to see a guy like Clay Matthews take over games for the Pack and know he was drafted at #26 while Curry runs around missing tackles and looking lost and was taken at #4.

 

The Seahawks have some nice role players on the roster (as you mentioned), depth type guys, but this roster, overall, is lacking impact talent. Now granted sometimes teams come togther and play well without having hall of fame talent across the board, and sometimes the greatest talent doesn't mesh into a winning team.

 

Are you ok, Philly? You are never this optimistic

 

Or

 

Maybe

 

I am turning into Phillybear and there's nothing I can do

[FlaHawker 24]

I have to disagree with this premise. You don't have to be a scout to know obvious truths, like Ruskell's drafts were doomed for failure.

 

I'd like to think I can pick better NFL prospects than a certain number of scouts. I do my work, watch a lot of games, follow every college team. And I have a tremendously large ego.

That's my point. Scouting is not a science. There are hits and misses. Thus for Gepetto to claim Locker a bust now is foolish.

[Walter34 3]

Isn't it too soon to writeoff Whitehead? He has only played a part of 4 games. Shouldn't they give him an off season of practicing with the 1st team and getting prepared before throwing him away and calling it a bad acquisition? Should they get a Kyle orton type or ask hasselback to stay one more year as a backup and focus the top pick on best player available? There are alot of needs on the team - why the rush to keep investing in qb? They traded for him for a reason. We don't see why yet, but you have to assume that the coaches saw something.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Isn't it too soon to writeoff Whitehead? He has only played a part of 4 games. Shouldn't they give him an off season of practicing with the 1st team and getting prepared before throwing him away and calling it a bad acquisition? Should they get a Kyle orton type or ask hasselback to stay one more year as a backup and focus the top pick on best player available? There are alot of needs on the team - why the rush to keep investing in qb? They traded for him for a reason. We don't see why yet, but you have to assume that the coaches saw something.

 

We'll see what a full week of practice and preparation does for him but I'm not holding my breath. Despite his surrounding cast and lack of playing time you would think he could flash occasional competence out there, this is his 4th season in the league. He hasn't done anything since the first preseason game of the year! The fact that the only time he's seen the field is when Hasselbeck gets hurt tells me something about what the coaches are seeing from him in practice. Unless he shows something this week it's doubtful he'll be in the league next year.

 

I want all new faces at QB next year. Draft a rookie and sign a veteran stopgap. Orton would be nice, but probably too expensive for what we need him for. I was thinking more along the lines of a Bruce Gradowski or a Matt Moore.

[FlaHawker 24]

Isn't it too soon to writeoff Whitehead? He has only played a part of 4 games. Shouldn't they give him an off season of practicing with the 1st team and getting prepared before throwing him away and calling it a bad acquisition? Should they get a Kyle orton type or ask hasselback to stay one more year as a backup and focus the top pick on best player available? There are alot of needs on the team - why the rush to keep investing in qb? They traded for him for a reason. We don't see why yet, but you have to assume that the coaches saw something.

What did the coaches see? The guy never played a snap in a regular season game in SD. They took a shot on him based on Schnieder's infatuation with from his days at Clemson. Aaron Rodgers sat for how many years behind Fasvre and learned how to play QB. Whitehurst has sat behind both Rivers and Hass and it looks like he has not learned one thing about QB play. Whitehurst, who is going to 29 next year, will never be a starting caliber QB in the NFL. Time to draft a QB that can play. I would keep Hass for another year to mentor a rookie and let Charlie go, especially for the type of money they owe him.

 

here is an interesting take as well:

 

 

-43

 

by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2010 12:26 PM PST

 

That is how many Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement passes, sacks and runs by Charlie Whitehurst were worth on Sunday. I think the really damning thing about Whitehurst's performance wasn't just how costly it was, but how incompetent he looked. It might be confirmation bias, I am sure I fall into that from time to time, but watching Charlie struggle to execute reminded me of my impressions of Whitehurst after scouting his 2009 preseason performance against the 49ers:

 

Whitehurst studied Turner's offense over three seasons, without pressure, but also without game experience. He looks completely and utterly unaccustomed to game speed, even preseason game speed. He seems to have enough trouble simply reading a vanilla zone, and while attempting to decipher it, shows no pocket awareness at all. Whitehurst keeps his eyes up field, but can not walk and chew bubble gum. If he showed better ability to read routes or find open receivers, maybe developing pocket presence could be a realistic goal. But seemingly flummoxed by simple zones, it's a stretch to think he will significantly improve his read and pocket awareness.

 

I do not see evidence of a cannon arm, a trait that might ease his impending decline, and I also do not see great accuracy. Even his calmest, least harassed, and simplest throws are around the target rather than to it. His tools seem decent. He has good arm strength, a good frame and doesn't embarrass himself on the run. Whitehurst embodies the middle round, prototypical quarterback that has never achieved great success nor tantalized with his tools, but because he looks the part, is handed a clipboard and calls it a career.

 

Whitehurst turns 28 August 6. He studied the same basic playbook for three years, but when asked to execute it, showed little ability, confidence, competence or promise. He now faces a new playbook and real expectations. The Chargers announcers had a healthy humor about Whitehurst. They did not ridicule him, but instead dismissed him for what he is: A third string quarterback.

 

Whitehurst is 28 and will be 29 before the start of the 2011 season. Many assume Whitehurst will stick around, because Seattle paid so much for him and because Seattle has no other obvious candidate for starting quarterback. Given how he looks and how little confidence we can infer the coaching staff has in him, it seems very unlikely that if Whitehurst does come back, that he will be the presumed starter. That puts Seattle in a bit of a bind.

 

What do you think the most likely solution is?

 

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2010/12/28/1900646/43

 

[FlaHawker 24]

The fact that the only time he's seen the field is when Hasselbeck gets hurt tells me something about what the coaches are seeing from him in practice.

Exactly! The coaches are hiding him, which makes the trade even more horrendous ( I mean we lose pick 40 and now have a donut eating WR that has shown nothing as well).

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Way to early for this kind of thing, but this guy has been doing mocks pretty frequently. I do respect his player analysis.

 

Hawks taking Locker at #11