LeBron just hit back to back 3 pointers

[gocolts 300]

I doubt it. But James looks to be taking over with those back to back three's. Anyone watching this??

[Strike 6,023]

Yes I'm watching. I'll be very surprised if they come back. All Boston has to do is give it to KG in the post and watch him work. Cleveland has had no answer for him tonight.

[Saint Elistan 106]

So much for that.

[gocolts 300]

Yes I'm watching. I'll be very surprised if they come back. All Boston has to do is give it to KG in the post and watch him work. Cleveland has had no answer for him tonight.

Cleveland is blowing it bad since I posted this, which I figured they would. That last 3 for Boston was a killer.

[gocolts 300]

So much for that.

Yep, they are done.

[Saint Elistan 106]

[gocolts 300]

WOW. This got embarrassing.

[gocolts 300]

Hope they can beat the Magic. Course it wont matter, because we already know the Lakers and Kobe are winning it all.

[surferskin 31]

Looks like Queen James might have a chance at a quadruple double...8 turnovers.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Looks like Queen James might have a chance at a quadruple double...8 turnovers.

 

We can only hope!

 

...not looking forward to all the stress of a Lakers and Celtics / Magic Finals though. That's assuming they get past the Suns which is probably dangerous for me to be doing right now.

[Gepetto 1,454]

At least if the Cavs lose we won't have to watch Sideshow Bob and the rest of the bubbling players they think is a team in Cleveland and that bum of a coach they've got will be out of the playoffs which he deserves.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Looks like Queen James might have a chance at a quadruple double...8 turnovers.

 

9!

[gocolts 300]

Looks like Queen James might have a chance at a quadruple double...8 9 turnovers.

[MedStudent 56]

The crowd was chanting New York Knicks for LeBron but I think he is headed to the Nets. The Nets are moving to Brooklyn in a couple of years and Jay Zee has a piece of the team. The Knicks are kind of a mess and New Jersey seems to be in a better position to get good quicker.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Lebron to Cleveland:

[WhiteWonder 2,927]

The crowd was chanting New York Knicks for LeBron but I think he is headed to the Nets. The Nets are moving to Brooklyn in a couple of years and Jay Zee has a piece of the team. The Knicks are kind of a mess and New Jersey seems to be in a better position to get good quicker.

 

Im a Nets fan and as cool as that would be i'm not sure the better young talent the Nets have is enough to keep Lebron out of the Garden, Brooklyn or not.

 

I don't think the Nets have enough to sign two max level free agents which is comical considering how Ratner dismantled a good team (Martin, Kidd, Jefferson and eventually Carter), so their sales pitch is a move to Brooklyn in 2012, Jay-Z, a franchise center in Brook Lopez, and a shoot first PG in Devin Harris.

 

I think Lebron will opt for the historic venue

[KSB2424 3,173]

LeBron's jumper was off PLUS absolutely no help from anybody else Equals what we saw in game 5 and 6. It was so apparant that it was pretty much 4 on 1 last night. LeBron needs to go elsewhere.

 

KG had to go to Boston to win a title, he couldn't get out of the first round. Same with Ray Allen. Paul Peirce couldn't do it alone either.

 

LeBron needs a robin to his batman and a 40 year old Shaq and a 35 year old Jamison is not it.

[Strike 6,023]

LeBron's jumper was off PLUS absolutely no help from anybody else Equals what we saw in game 5 and 6. It was so apparant that it was pretty much 4 on 1 last night. LeBron needs to go elsewhere.

 

KG had to go to Boston to win a title, he couldn't get out of the first round. Same with Ray Allen. Paul Peirce couldn't do it alone either.

 

LeBron needs a robin to his batman and a 40 year old Shaq and a 35 year old Jamison is not it.

 

Wat? Mo Williams single handedly kept them in the game in the first half when Lebron wasn't doing much. He shot better than Lebron for the game. Shaq actually had a good game in game 5. Had Lebron showed up for that game they might have had a chance. Look, I'm not saying his "supporting cast" was great, but the team won 61 games in the regular season. Funny how the "team" was so great when they were winning 61 games but suddenly no one else is worth a sh!t when they lose. Can't have it both ways.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Wat? Mo Williams single handedly kept them in the game in the first half when Lebron wasn't doing much. He shot better than Lebron for the game. Shaq actually had a good game in game 5. Had Lebron showed up for that game they might have had a chance. Look, I'm not saying his "supporting cast" was great, but the team won 61 games in the regular season. Funny how the "team" was so great when they were winning 61 games but suddenly no one else is worth a sh!t when they lose. Can't have it both ways.

Mo Williams had a good first half and sucked donkey balls in the second half. Shaq was average at best (he's damn neear 40years old). Jamison? Non existent and shot the ball awful. Anthony Parker shouldn't be on a NBA roster. Delonte West was atrocious. I love Vaejeo but the damn coach doesn't play him enough.

 

Lebron played bad (shot the ball bad). I'm not trying to say otherwise. However the supporting cast was even worse. He doesn't have a Vince Carter/Jameer Nelson or a Pau Gasol/Artest/Odom/Bynum or a KG/Rhondo/Allen on his team. He just doesn't.

 

LeBron needs to take this time to get on a better team. This is fairly obvious at this point. The answer is that Lebron had a bad series AND/BUT his supporting cast was even worse.

[Frank M 181]

Wat? Mo Williams single handedly kept them in the game in the first half when Lebron wasn't doing much. He shot better than Lebron for the game. Shaq actually had a good game in game 5. Had Lebron showed up for that game they might have had a chance. Look, I'm not saying his "supporting cast" was great, but the team won 61 games in the regular season. Funny how the "team" was so great when they were winning 61 games but suddenly no one else is worth a sh!t when they lose. Can't have it both ways.

 

It is apparent to me after the playoffs this year that the Cavs look like the Dallas Mavericks in that they're built for the regular season and not the playoffs. As well as Mo played in the first half of last night's game, he disappeared for the most part for the second year in a row in the playoffs.

 

If Lebron stays in Cleveland, they need someone else other than who they have there now. Mo Williams and Jamison are not good defenders, Varejao and the rest of the bench are good defenders but not offensive threats. He needs someone who is both.

[TD Ryan2 316]

somebody posted this in another thread, but I liked it:

 

MJ > Bird/Magic > Kobe > LeBron

 

 

regardless of who's laundry you're rooting for, it's nice to see that the "team" concept can still trump the "single best player".

[edjr 6,898]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no

[remote controller 143]

somebody posted this in another thread, but I liked it:

 

MJ > Bird/Magic > Kobe > LeBron

regardless of who's laundry you're rooting for, it's nice to see that the "team" concept can still trump the "single best player".

....and in those eastern final clashes MJ was much more driven and determined all of the time. Even in those games he threw down 50+ and lost. He left it all on the court until the buzzer.

[KSB2424 3,173]

somebody posted this in another thread, but I liked it:

 

MJ > Bird/Magic > Kobe > LeBron

regardless of who's laundry you're rooting for, it's nice to see that the "team" concept can still trump the "single best player".

Is this based on when they were all 25 years old? Because if not, we should prolly wait until LeBron's career is over (Kobe too.).

[edjr 6,898]

somebody posted this in another thread, but I liked it:

 

MJ > Bird/Magic > Kobe > LeBron

regardless of who's laundry you're rooting for, it's nice to see that the "team" concept can still trump the "single best player".

 

MJ was a team player? really?

 

MJ career assists 5.3 pg

Lebron career assists 7.0 pg

 

You give Lebron a Coach and Scottie Pippen for the next 10 years, he'll win 5 titles minimum

[WhiteWonder 2,927]

Mo Williams had a good first half and sucked donkey balls in the second half. Shaq was average at best (he's damn neear 40years old). Jamison? Non existent and shot the ball awful. Anthony Parker shouldn't be on a NBA roster. Delonte West was atrocious. I love Vaejeo but the damn coach doesn't play him enough.

 

Lebron played bad (shot the ball bad). I'm not trying to say otherwise. However the supporting cast was even worse. He doesn't have a Vince Carter/Jameer Nelson or a Pau Gasol/Artest/Odom/Bynum or a KG/Rhondo/Allen on his team. He just doesn't.

 

LeBron needs to take this time to get on a better team. This is fairly obvious at this point. The answer is that Lebron had a bad series AND/BUT his supporting cast was even worse.

 

I am the biggest KG fan you will find on these boards and I can tell you KG's situation in Minn was different from Lebrons in Cleveland.

 

Danny Ferry has done a fairly good job trying to put pieces in place to keep Lebron happy and in Cleveland. Mo Williams was a pretty good add. Everyone loved the Jamison deal when it happened. Most were skeptical of adding Shaq but you can't blame the effort. Obviously, these guys stunk it up (Williams actually played pretty well) but Jamison is the kind of talent who should have been able to get that team over the top.

 

In Minnesota, KG endured years of the franchise letting players go or trading them away and not making moves to give him any help. Remember McHale's illegal deal to Joe Smith that cost them first round picks for a few years? That kind of inemptitude killed the franchise and forced KG to carry that team on his back for several seasons.

 

Finally, they brought in Cassell and Sprewell but that was kind of akin to bringin in Shaq. Applaud the effort but get some younger guys. And whats worse, when they finally brought some guys in for KG he was in his 9th season.

[CantTouchThis 23]

somebody posted this in another thread, but I liked it:

 

MJ > Bird/Magic > Kobe > LeBron

 

I believe i did Thanks for agreeing

 

Yes, this was when they were 25. You know why? All but MJ had a ring, and all but Kobe come into the league when they were 20-22, instead of 18. Kobe had 3, Magic had 3, LB had 1(but it was just his 3rd year). And MJ is MJ; his first 5 years, which is when he was 25 his stats were:

 

32.7ppg

1.2bpg

2.8spg

6apg

5.7rbpg

85%ft

52%fg

 

Stats were just one part, MJs impact on the game was already significant, and he had some of the best teams to ever play to contend with. Won an MVP and DPOY in the same season. Obviously we all know what MJ went on to do, but he stayed with Chicago and he built a dynasty that won his first ring in his 7th year, which is what year LeBron was in this year. Even if he stays with Cleveland, he is far from building a dynasty.

 

If you are comparing who was better at the age of 25, it goes.... Magic<>LB>MJ<>Kobe>>LeBron. Kobe had 3 rings, but the fact he had Shaq in his absolute prime obviously helps out. People forget though, that team was ALL Kobe and Shaq, neither player would've touched a championship without the other. Then you could argue Magic had a handful of HOFers on his team. However, Magic is what made that team run. LB and Magic changed the game the moment they stepped onto the court, their impact was much more significant that early in their careers than any other player. MJ took it to the next level. Even though Kobe had 3 rings, his impact on the game wasn't as significant as LB or Magic, or really MJ but he had 3 rings. I think Kobe's ring last year really put him on the top level. He MADE that ring, without Shaq, he stuck with his team and has create this secondary current semi-dynasty with the Lakers. I don't think any player has done that.

 

If you want to compare who was better after their 7th year:

 

MJ/LB/Magic>Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LeBron

 

There are more players over Bron too in this case, many more.

[KSB2424 3,173]

I believe i did Thanks for agreeing

 

Yes, this was when they were 25. You know why? All but MJ had a ring, and all but Kobe come into the league when they were 20-22, instead of 18. Kobe had 3, Magic had 3, LB had 1(but it was just his 3rd year). And MJ is MJ; his first 5 years, which is when he was 25 his stats were:

 

32.7ppg

1.2bpg

2.8spg

6apg

5.7rbpg

85%ft

52%fg

 

Stats were just one part, MJs impact on the game was already significant, and he had some of the best teams to ever play to contend with. Won an MVP and DPOY in the same season. Obviously we all know what MJ went on to do, but he stayed with Chicago and he built a dynasty that won his first ring in his 7th year, which is what year LeBron was in this year. Even if he stays with Cleveland, he is far from building a dynasty.

 

If you are comparing who was better at the age of 25, it goes.... Magic<>LB>MJ<>Kobe>>LeBron. Kobe had 3 rings, but the fact he had Shaq in his absolute prime obviously helps out. People forget though, that team was ALL Kobe and Shaq, neither player would've touched a championship without the other. Then you could argue Magic had a handful of HOFers on his team. However, Magic is what made that team run. LB and Magic changed the game the moment they stepped onto the court, their impact was much more significant that early in their careers than any other player. MJ took it to the next level. Even though Kobe had 3 rings, his impact on the game wasn't as significant as LB or Magic, or really MJ but he had 3 rings. I think Kobe's ring last year really put him on the top level. He MADE that ring, without Shaq, he stuck with his team and has create this secondary current semi-dynasty with the Lakers. I don't think any player has done that.

 

If you want to compare who was better after their 7th year:

 

MJ/LB/Magic>Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LeBron

 

There are more players over Bron too in this case, many more.

Look, you won't find a bigger fan of Michael Jordan than me. I loved Magic too. Bird was cool. Kobe is meh. HOWEVER you glossed over:

 

When Kobe was 25 he had Phil Jackson and Shaq in his prime.

When Jordan was 25 he was in much the same situation as LeBron and a young Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson coming in.

Magic had freaking Kareem Abul Jabaar and James Worthy (two all 50 guys). Not to mention Pat Riley.

Bird had McHales and Parrish.

 

I will reserve my judgement on LeBron until a little later thank you very much. Maybe he never wins anything. Maybe he wins 6 rings when he gets in a better situation. Right now his best supporting cast player has been Mo Freaking Williams. His coach is a lame duck suckfest. Serioulsy, have some perspective for crying out loud.

 

In other words you just wasted 15 minutes typing that mumbo jumbo.

[surferskin 31]

Interesting stat I heard about MJ today. His teams were 23-0 in playoff series when they had home court advantage. Queen James has now lost 2 years in a row with home court throughout the playoffs.

[Frank M 181]

The worst part of it for me, as a Cavs fan, is that he doesn't seem that broken up about being ousted for the second year in a row. I was much happier last year when he stalked off the court without shaking hands after the Magic eliminated them. At least at that point you had an idea that it bothered him a little. And yeah, I understand that he may be going someplace else and that's what his mind is on, blah, blah, blah, but show a little disappointment, at least.

[surferskin 31]

The worst part of it for me, as a Cavs fan, is that he doesn't seem that broken up about being ousted for the second year in a row. I was much happier last year when he stalked off the court without shaking hands after the Magic eliminated them. At least at that point you had an idea that it bothered him a little. And yeah, I understand that he may be going someplace else and that's what his mind is on, blah, blah, blah, but show a little disappointment, at least.

Yeah, the weirdest part about the end of the game last night was the fact that the Cavs just looked like they were totally ready for the game to be over. They let the final 1 & 1/2 minutes just run off the clock without fouling...they didn't press...they didn't show ANY urgency in a close out game. And Lebron just looked like he was relieved that the season was over. Very odd.

[Frank M 181]

Yeah, the weirdest part about the end of the game last night was the fact that the Cavs just looked like they were totally ready for the game to be over. They let the final 1 & 1/2 minutes just run off the clock without fouling...they didn't press...they didn't show ANY urgency in a close out game. And Lebron just looked like he was relieved that the season was over. Very odd.

 

I know. 7 points down, a minute and a half left, and they're walking the ball up the court. They gave up.

 

And Lebron is getting hammered in the local media. People are pissed.

[FeelingMN 273]

Look, you won't find a bigger fan of Michael Jordan than me. I loved Magic too. Bird was cool. Kobe is meh. HOWEVER you glossed over:

 

When Kobe was 25 he had Phil Jackson and Shaq in his prime.

When Jordan was 25 he was in much the same situation as LeBron and a young Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson coming in.

Magic had freaking Kareem Abul Jabaar and James Worthy (two all 50 guys). Not to mention Pat Riley.

Bird had McHales and Parrish.

 

I will reserve my judgement on LeBron until a little later thank you very much. Maybe he never wins anything. Maybe he wins 6 rings when he gets in a better situation. Right now his best supporting cast player has been Mo Freaking Williams. His coach is a lame duck suckfest. Serioulsy, have some perspective for crying out loud.

 

In other words you just wasted 15 minutes typing that mumbo jumbo.

 

Sure MJ had Pippen....but who else was on those teams? Ron Harper...Stacey King.....John Paxson.....Bill Wenington.....you get the point. Jordan and Pippen are arguably the best one-two punch in NBA history, but the overall talent on those teams wasn't that great. And how many MVPs did MJ/Bird/Magic have by 25? How many times were their teams the best in the league?

 

Obviously LeBron needs a better #2 than Mo Williams....I agree with that. And as a whole, Cleveland probably has the least amount of talent of any of the top seeds in either conference...both on the floor and on the bench (Brown is in over his head). But you can't exactly turn the other cheek when you look at LeBron's effort the last two games. Who cares about the stats....it's the manner in which he played. The guy just didn't look like he cared....and for that reason alone, he should be criticized.

 

You're right, he's got plenty of time to correct himself....he'll have a few rings when it's all said and done. But RIGHT NOW, he seems like a businessman who happens to be really, really good at b-ball....and isn't in the same gym as the other greats mentally.

 

I think it's fair to ding him based on what we saw the last two games.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Look, you won't find a bigger fan of Michael Jordan than me. I loved Magic too. Bird was cool. Kobe is meh. HOWEVER you glossed over:

 

When Kobe was 25 he had Phil Jackson and Shaq in his prime.

When Jordan was 25 he was in much the same situation as LeBron and a young Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson coming in.

Magic had freaking Kareem Abul Jabaar and James Worthy (two all 50 guys). Not to mention Pat Riley.

Bird had McHales and Parrish.

 

I will reserve my judgement on LeBron until a little later thank you very much. Maybe he never wins anything. Maybe he wins 6 rings when he gets in a better situation. Right now his best supporting cast player has been Mo Freaking Williams. His coach is a lame duck suckfest. Serioulsy, have some perspective for crying out loud.

 

In other words you just wasted 15 minutes typing that mumbo jumbo.

 

More than that, i actually calculated those stats via calculator and basketball-reference.com This is what happens when you have no school or work.

 

I recognize that Kobe had arguably the most dominant center ever, and one of the best coaches ever. That is why i wouldn't rank him as high as Larry, Magic, or even MJ-despite the fact that MJ didn't win his first until he turn 27/7th season. Shaq was the dominant force on that team, Kobe was second fiddle. However, they needed Kobe to come through in the clutch, and he did that perhaps better than anyone in the history of the game. There is no way, even if you replaced Kobe with say Vince Carter, Shaq wins even one without Kobe. Shaq dominated the first 45 minutes of the game, and Kobe finished it.

 

I use to be a major Kobe hater, if you were to look at old threads i would trash Kobe. He is still NOT MJ, but he is closer than anyone, and certainly closer than LeBron. Kobe was a douche his first 8 or 9 seasons, but the man was a competitor and a stone cold killer in the clutch. That is why he had 3 rings. Whenever he lost a playoff series, you can see how pissed and upset he got. LeBron had such a content look on his face after he lost yesterday, it was like he just lost a pick-up game against some buddies. That is what seperates the Kobes and MJs from the LeBrons and Dominques.

 

AI was the only guy who had that killer instinct and didn't win one. That was because of his horrid personality off the court and the 6ers inability to put any championship personal around him once so ever. He still single handedly took them to the finals, and had one of the best games in a finals we will ever see. Not comparing AI to LeBron, but with Brons overall talent, dominance, and he is a great teammate on and off the court, he should already have a ring or two. I am now convinced LeBron is less about winning, more about recognition.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Look, I really don't get what is so surprising about Lebron's performance this post-season. He played like a short-timer, a man on his way out. Which he is. Do you think he really gives fock about pushing Cleveland to the next level when he is intending to leave anyway? As soon as he realized they weren't winning the championship this year it all became borrowed time.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Look, I really don't get what is so surprising about Lebron's performance this post-season. He played like a short-timer, a man on his way out. Which he is. Do you think he really gives fock about pushing Cleveland to the next level when he is intending to leave anyway? As soon as he realized they weren't winning the championship this year it all became borrowed time.

 

If he were a champion, he would've left "his" city with their first championship in 5 decades. Now he leaves everyone with a sour taste in their mouth.

 

I mean, last season he lost to Orlando, but he went down swinging at least. I think he averaged 36/8/8 a game vs. the Magic. Bron has the talent to score 40-50+ points vs. anyone if he NEEDS to. The difference between Kobe and Bron is Bron doesn't know when to say "Fock this, i'm taking over" he is always in "game" mode, and doesn't know how to switch to "killer" mode when he needs to. He can and i have seen him do this, and it's crazy to watch. However, he needs to do it more often, and especially in the playoffs. He just doesn't have the mental game of a guy like MJ or Kobe, and that is why i can only see him winning one or two rings at the most.

 

Like i said, i am now convinced LeBron is now about recognition and not about winning. He wants to fill the stat-lines and highlight reels, rather than win rings.

 

It wasn't even the very fact that he lost vs. Boston. Boston had almost every match-up won, Rondo couldn't be stopped, KG couldn't be stopped, if Ray was on he couldn't be stopped. They were over-matched. It's Bron's "Eh, oh well, better luck next year" attitude that he has, not just this year but in previous years as well. Even if he was looking ahead, i mean c'mon, don't just say "fock it", no true champion ever does that.

[MedStudent 56]

If he were a champion, he would've left "his" city with their first championship in 5 decades. Now he leaves everyone with a sour taste in their mouth.

 

I mean, last season he lost to Orlando, but he went down swinging at least. I think he averaged 36/8/8 a game vs. the Magic. Bron has the talent to score 40-50+ points vs. anyone if he NEEDS to. The difference between Kobe and Bron is Bron doesn't know when to say "Fock this, i'm taking over" he is always in "game" mode, and doesn't know how to switch to "killer" mode when he needs to. He can and i have seen him do this, and it's crazy to watch. However, he needs to do it more often, and especially in the playoffs. He just doesn't have the mental game of a guy like MJ or Kobe, and that is why i can only see him winning one or two rings at the most.

 

Like i said, i am now convinced LeBron is now about recognition and not about winning. He wants to fill the stat-lines and highlight reels, rather than win rings.

 

It wasn't even the very fact that he lost vs. Boston. Boston had almost every match-up won, Rondo couldn't be stopped, KG couldn't be stopped, if Ray was on he couldn't be stopped. They were over-matched. It's Bron's "Eh, oh well, better luck next year" attitude that he has, not just this year but in previous years as well. Even if he was looking ahead, i mean c'mon, don't just say "fock it", no true champion ever does that.

 

I've said the same thing in other threads. He doesn't appear to be that driven. But I also agree with ksb that he isn't done yet and he still has plenty of time to win championships. A smart coach will be able to get some championships out of LeBron.

 

I thought it was just kind of strange how he acted after the game. Last year he didn't show much class by stalking off but this year he had a hand shake and a conversation with every memeber of the celtic organization. It was like he was making up for last year. If you want to see how the handshake should be done, look at films at the end of the Patriots-Colts game when Manning and Brady shake hands. The loser always looks miserable and the winner says something to console the other guy. You know the loser just wants to get in the locker room but he shakes hands out of respect for the opponent.

[WhiteWonder 2,927]

Look, I really don't get what is so surprising about Lebron's performance this post-season. He played like a short-timer, a man on his way out. Which he is. Do you think he really gives fock about pushing Cleveland to the next level when he is intending to leave anyway? As soon as he realized they weren't winning the championship this year it all became borrowed time.

 

When did he realize they were not winning a championship? was it when they were winning a league best 61 games? was it the in season move for Jamison, a guy who was 20/8 in Washington and slipped to 15/7 in Cleveland? was it after they beat the Bulls? Maybe after humiliating the Celtics, in Boston, for a 2-1 series lead?

 

im not saying Lebron didn't pack it in. he clearly played without a sense of urgency, especially in game 5. but if he truely felt they were not going to win a Championship this year, he is a moron.