North Korea sunk SK ship

[GettnHuge 1]

No rink yet. South Korea, which had a ship of theirs sunk a couple months ago, now is showing evordence that a

NK sub attacked their ship.

 

Let's get it on!

[Saint Elistan 106]

Oh god...

[ZeroTolerance 582]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_...orea_ship_sinks

 

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea warns that it will wage "all-out war" if punished for the sinking of a South Korean warship.

[GettnHuge 1]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/19/south.kor...dex.html?hpt=T1

 

Washington (CNN) -- The president of South Korea has vowed "resolute" measures against North Korea for its alleged attack on a South Korean warship, South Korea's Yonhap News Agency reported Thursday.

 

A five-country committee announced Thursday morning in Seoul that they had concluded a North Korean submarine fired a torpedo that sunk the South Korea warship in March.

 

"(We) will take resolute countermeasures against North Korea and make it admit its wrongdoings through strong international cooperation and return to the international community as a responsible member,"

 

 

 

edit: Let's get it fail!

[Vikings4ever 496]

I've said it before:

 

Kim Jong Il wants to see the world burn before he does.

[gocolts 300]

I've said it before:

 

Kim Jong Il wants to see the world burn before he does.

yep. Nuke could go off soon. This fockbag has been just dying to do it.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Tis' what the world needs to get out of a recession. And just in time for 2012!

[gocolts 300]

Tis' what the world needs to get out of a recession. And just in time for 2012!

Were all focked.

[BLS 313]

Militarily, North Korea is NO slouch.

 

They cannot be messed with lightly.

 

The LAST thing the US wants, or can afford, is to get into a tussle with them.

 

If this is true, this could be very, very bad news.

 

PS - I hope you're not under 35.

[GettnHuge 1]

Militarily, North Korea is NO slouch.

 

They cannot be messed with lightly.

 

The LAST thing the US wants, or can afford, is to get into a tussle with them.

 

If this is true, this could be very, very bad news.

 

PS - I hope you're not under 35.

 

bad news, I'm only at 33,750

[Mungwater 588]

Don't forget that NK has their buddy China right behind them, this can't be good

[Voltaire 4,564]

Don't forget that NK has their buddy China right behind them, this can't be good

 

The Chinese treat Kim Jong Il like the smelly ranting idiot uncle that nobody wants to invite over for Thanksgiving. And they treat Koreans crossing the border illegally like Arizona on steroids.

[jocstrap 8]

The Chinese treat Kim Jong Il like the smelly ranting idiot uncle that nobody wants to invite over for Thanksgiving. And they treat Koreans crossing the border illegally like Arizona on steroids.

 

 

Then why did the Chinese just invite Kim Jong for a visit?

 

Seoul is already irritated with Beijing for hosting North Korean leader Kim Jong-il on a rare trip abroad before the outcome of the investigation was announced.

 

 

and then this is the best the Chinese have to offer...

 

Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Cui Tiankai called the sinking of the South Korean ship "unfortunate," on Thursday, but did not comment on the report.

 

 

unfortunate? Are you kidding me? The North Koreans launched a torpedo b/c they were embarrassed earlier in a previous engagement. They killed 46 South Korean Soldiers in an unprovoked attack. What would the USA do if one of our military ships was sunk by a torpedo attack that killed 46 servicemen/women on board?

 

A senior government official said previously that the attack appeared to have been in revenge for a firefight near their disputed border late last year in which the North's navy was humiliated.

 

 

The focking Chinese have been backing the North for how many decades now? Kim is on his last leg, for some reason I feel like he wants to go out with a bang.

 

The sh!t has been boiling for a long time over there - one of these days a real battle is going to occur again. This is just fueling the fire.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37244411/ns/wo...ews-asiapacific

[Saint Elistan 106]

I don't care if it takes me with it...the world needs another real, large conventional war. Another World War. We need some population control before food shortages do it for us. Starving sucks.

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

The Chinese treat Kim Jong Il like the smelly ranting idiot uncle that nobody wants to invite over for Thanksgiving. And they treat Koreans crossing the border illegally like Arizona on steroids.

 

The Chinese hate Kim Jon ILL SuperCuts.

 

You are USERISS, ARIC BARDWIN!!!

 

http://twitter.com/kim_jong_illy_o

[GettnHuge 1]

I don't care if it takes me with it...the world needs another real, large conventional war. Another World War. We need some population control before food shortages do it for us. Starving sucks.

 

rink

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

Militarily, North Korea is NO slouch.

 

They cannot be messed with lightly.

 

The LAST thing the US wants, or can afford, is to get into a tussle with them.

 

If this is true, this could be very, very bad news.

 

PS - I hope you're not under 35.

 

 

time to drop the exemption for the wimmins.

 

 

[jocstrap 8]

I don't care if it takes me with it...the world needs another real, large conventional war. Another World War. We need some population control before food shortages do it for us. Starving sucks.

 

 

There will never be such a thing again if the US is involved. Our guided missle technology will obliterate any column of forces anywhere in the world at any given time, in the blink of an eye. Look what happened in Iraq to their tank and infantry divisions. They were like the 5th largest army in the world at that time and didn't even get shots off.

 

we now have the M.O.A.B and Cluster Bombs that will kill thousands of armoured and infantry troops in one foul swoop if troops are massed along any lines. There won't be trenches, there won't be front lines, and there surely will never be tens of thousands of infantry men lined up rows.

 

Al Qaeda has the right idea

[Chronic Husker 85]

one foul swoop

This is what wiffle's female coworkers call it when he uses their restroom.

[Me_2006 14]

Al Qaeda has the right idea

This couldn't be taken out of context at all.

[RLLD 3,455]

The Chinese are hating the fact that they are stuck with North Korea, is a festering sore that they pour resources in to, and the benefit is losing its luster. The North Korean power structure seems keenly aware of this, and by behaving in the manner they have been they actually force China to support them further.

 

The Chinese won't let this go on forever, but the real question is just where it ends?

 

I suspect China eventually "trades" North Korea for Taiwan......JMHO.....the Chinese and Americans make a back door deal, and one day we wake up to a unified Korea and Taiwan is suddenly a protectorate......its a win for both the US and the Chinese on many levels.....

[DanXIII 8]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_...orea_ship_sinks

 

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea warns that it will wage "all-out war" if punished for the sinking of a South Korean warship.

 

This always makes me laugh. NK can't do squat without China and Russia. China isn't going to war with it's largest trading partner/debtor.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

The Chinese are hating the fact that they are stuck with North Korea, is a festering sore that they pour resources in to, and the benefit is losing its luster. The North Korean power structure seems keenly aware of this, and by behaving in the manner they have been they actually force China to support them further.

 

The Chinese won't let this go on forever, but the real question is just where it ends?

 

I suspect China eventually "trades" North Korea for Taiwan......JMHO.....the Chinese and Americans make a back door deal, and one day we wake up to a unified Korea and Taiwan is suddenly a protectorate......its a win for both the US and the Chinese on many levels.....

 

 

To make this trade even remotely fair they are going to have to throw in North Korea's backup RB as a hand cuff. HTH

[Mrsteak21 0]

There will never be such a thing again if the US is involved. Our guided missle technology will obliterate any column of forces anywhere in the world at any given time, in the blink of an eye. Look what happened in Iraq to their tank and infantry divisions. They were like the 5th largest army in the world at that time and didn't even get shots off.

 

we now have the M.O.A.B and Cluster Bombs that will kill thousands of armoured and infantry troops in one foul swoop if troops are massed along any lines. There won't be trenches, there won't be front lines, and there surely will never be tens of thousands of infantry men lined up rows.

 

Al Qaeda has the right idea

 

you are missing a couple things:

 

1) an EMP attack (nuke explosion in the lower atmosphere) cripples all electronics, power grids and GPS systems. Our land based laser or GPS guided missles are now useless.

2) dont rule out the possibility of a technologically advanced country Russia, China, etc. and their ability to shoot down satellites. If that happens we are back fighting using WWII tactics which doesnt turn out well if we are fighting huge armys (aka CHina/NKorea).

[jocstrap 8]

you are missing a couple things:

 

1) an EMP attack (nuke explosion in the lower atmosphere) cripples all electronics, power grids and GPS systems. Our land based laser or GPS guided missles are now useless.

2) dont rule out the possibility of a technologically advanced country Russia, China, etc. and their ability to shoot down satellites. If that happens we are back fighting using WWII tactics which doesnt turn out well if we are fighting huge armys (aka CHina/NKorea).

 

 

You make some very good points.

 

1) Is a country going to explode a couple of nukes over their own country to prevent us from attacking them?

 

2) If I were China or Russia, ways to immobilize our GPS systems would be defensive priority #1. I'm sure they both are working on ways to make our satellites useless right now. Then again, we do have how many hundreds of satelites in orbit now? It's not like they're stationary either. Those suckers are zipping around at thousands of miles an hour - a tough task indeed to shoot one down. This could be the next military frontier and challenge - space control.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

You make some very good points.

 

1) Is a country going to explode a couple of nukes over their own country to prevent us from attacking them?

 

2) If I were China or Russia, ways to immobilize our GPS systems would be defensive priority #1. I'm sure they both are working on ways to make our satellites useless right now. Then again, we do have how many hundreds of satelites in orbit now? It's not like they're stationary either. Those suckers are zipping around at thousands of miles an hour - a tough task indeed to shoot one down. This could be the next military frontier and challenge - space control.

 

 

I'll take our technological abilities over theirs any day.

[Sho Nuff 719]

you are missing a couple things:

 

1) an EMP attack (nuke explosion in the lower atmosphere) cripples all electronics, power grids and GPS systems. Our land based laser or GPS guided missles are now useless.

2) dont rule out the possibility of a technologically advanced country Russia, China, etc. and their ability to shoot down satellites. If that happens we are back fighting using WWII tactics which doesnt turn out well if we are fighting huge armys (aka CHina/NKorea).

 

Im surprised you did not blame the attack on the US somehow...or some other nutjob conspiracy.

Instead you went the EMP attack route...problem is...you think NK has the ability to render all electronics on this planet useless? I don't.

[FlaHawker 24]

you are missing a couple things:

 

1) an EMP attack (nuke explosion in the lower atmosphere) cripples all electronics, power grids and GPS systems. Our land based laser or GPS guided missles are now useless.

2) dont rule out the possibility of a technologically advanced country Russia, China, etc. and their ability to shoot down satellites. If that happens we are back fighting using WWII tactics which doesnt turn out well if we are fighting huge armys (aka CHina/NKorea).

And the chinese have alreadry written how they would do it

 

Cascade-based attack vulnerability on the US power grid

 

[jocstrap 8]

And the chinese have alreadry written how they would do it

 

Cascade-based attack vulnerability on the US power grid

 

 

 

well that was about as foreign language as it gets FlaHawker - - didn't help an illeterate like me at all

[FlaHawker 24]

well that was about as foreign language as it gets FlaHawker - - didn't help an illeterate like me at all

All you need to know is that they are studying how to best destroy our power grid.

[Saint Elistan 106]

All you need to know is that they are studying how to best destroy our power grid.

Would destroy our hearts and minds in addition to being a major pain in the ass.

[FlaHawker 24]

And the chinese have alreadry written how they would do it

 

Cascade-based attack vulnerability on the US power grid

 

Academic Paper in China Sets Off Alarms in U.S.By JOHN MARKOFF and DAVID BARBOZA

It came as a surprise this month to Wang Jianwei, a graduate engineering student in Liaoning, China, that he had been described as a potential cyberwarrior before the United States Congress.

 

Larry M. Wortzel, a military strategist and China specialist, told the House Foreign Affairs Committee on March 10 that it should be concerned because “Chinese researchers at the Institute of Systems Engineering of Dalian University of Technology published a paper on how to attack a small U.S. power grid sub-network in a way that would cause a cascading failure of the entire U.S.”

 

When reached by telephone, Mr. Wang said he and his professor had indeed published “Cascade-Based Attack Vulnerability on the U.S. Power Grid” in an international journal called Safety Science last spring. But Mr. Wang said he had simply been trying to find ways to enhance the stability of power grids by exploring potential vulnerabilities.

 

“We usually say ‘attack’ so you can see what would happen,” he said. “My emphasis is on how you can protect this. My goal is to find a solution to make the network safer and better protected.” And independent American scientists who read his paper said it was true: Mr. Wang’s work was a conventional technical exercise that in no way could be used to take down a power grid.

 

The difference between Mr. Wang’s explanation and Mr. Wortzel’s conclusion is of more than academic interest. It shows that in an atmosphere already charged with hostility between the United States and China over cybersecurity issues, including large-scale attacks on computer networks, even a misunderstanding has the potential to escalate tension and set off an overreaction.

 

“Already people are interpreting this as demonstrating some kind of interest that China would have in disrupting the U.S. power grid,” said Nart Villeneuve, a researcher with the SecDev Group, an Ottawa-based cybersecurity research and consulting group. “Once you start interpreting every move that a country makes as hostile, it builds paranoia into the system.”

 

Mr. Wortzel’s presentation at the House hearing got a particularly strong reaction from Representative Ed Royce, Republican of California, who called the flagging of the Wang paper “one thing I think jumps out to all of these Californians here today, or should.”

 

He was alluding to concerns that arose in 2001 when The Los Angeles Times reported that intrusions into the network that controlled the electrical grid were traced to someone in Guangdong Province, China. Later reports of other attacks often included allegations that the break-ins were orchestrated by the Chinese, although no proof has been produced.

 

In an interview last week about the Wang paper and his testimony, Mr. Wortzel said that the intention of these particular researchers almost did not matter.

 

“My point is that now that vulnerability is out there all over China for anybody to take advantage of,” he said.

 

But specialists in the field of network science, which explores the stability of networks like power grids and the Internet, said that was not the case.

 

“Neither the authors of this article, nor any other prior article, has had information on the identity of the power grid components represented as nodes of the network,” Reka Albert, a University of Pennsylvania physicist who has conducted similar studies, said in an e-mail interview. “Thus no practical scenarios of an attack on the real power grid can be derived from such work.”

 

The issue of Mr. Wang’s paper aside, experts in computer security say there are genuine reasons for American officials to be wary of China, and they generally tend to dismiss disclaimers by China that it has neither the expertise nor the intention to carry out the kind of attacks that bombard American government and computer systems by the thousands every week.

 

The trouble is that it is so easy to mask the true source of a computer network attack that any retaliation is fraught with uncertainty. This is why a war of words, like the high-pitched one going on these past months between the United States and China, holds special peril, said John Arquilla, director of the Information Operations Center at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif.

 

“What we know from network science is that dense communications across many different links and many different kinds of links can have effects that are highly unpredictable,” Mr. Arquilla said. Cyberwarfare is in some ways “analogous to the way people think about biological weapons — that once you set loose such a weapon it may be very hard to control where it goes,” he added.

 

Tension between China and the United States intensified earlier this year after Google threatened to withdraw from doing business in China, saying that it had evidence of Chinese involvement in a sophisticated Internet intrusion. A number of reports, including one last October by the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, of which Mr. Wortzel is vice chairman, have used strong language about the worsening threat of computer attacks, particularly from China.

 

“A large body of both circumstantial and forensic evidence strongly indicates Chinese state involvement in such activities, whether through the direct actions of state entities or through the actions of third-party groups sponsored by the state,” that report stated.

 

Mr. Wang’s research subject was particularly unfortunate because of the widespread perception, particularly among American military contractors and high-technology firms, that adversaries are likely to attack critical infrastructure like the United States electric grid.

 

Mr. Wang said in the interview that he chose the United States grid for his study basically because it was the easiest way to go. China does not publish data on power grids, he said. The United States does and had had several major blackouts; and, as he reads English, it was the only country he could find with accessible, useful data. He said that he was an “emergency events management” expert and that he was “mainly studying when a point in a network becomes ineffective.”

 

“I chose the electricity system because the grid can best represent how power currents flow through a network,” he said. “I just wanted to do theoretical research.”

 

The paper notes the vulnerability of different types of computer networks to “intentional” attacks. The authors suggest that certain types of attacks may generate a domino-style cascading collapse of an entire network. “It is expected that our findings will be helpful for real-life networks to protect the key nodes selected effectively and avoid cascading-failure-induced disasters,” the authors wrote.

 

Mr. Wang’s paper cites the network science research of Albert-Laszlo Barabasi, a physicist at Northeastern University. Dr. Barabasi has written widely on the potential vulnerability of networks to so-called engineered attacks.

 

“I am not well vested in conspiracy theories,” Dr. Barabasi said in an interview, “but this is a rather mainstream topic that is done for a wide range of networks, and, even in the area of power transmission, is not limited to the U.S. system — there are similar studies for power grids all over the world.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/world/as...agewanted=print

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

All you need to know is that they are studying how to best destroy our power grid.

 

Detroit would be one area that wouldn't have to worry about it.

[DanXIII 8]

NK says it wasn't them.

 

I guess it's settled

[Sho Nuff 719]

NK says it wasn't them.

 

I guess it's settled

 

Using the Eddie Murphy defense "wasn't me".

[Saint Elistan 106]

I prefer the Shaggy version!

 

But she caught me on the counter (It wasn't me)

Saw me bangin' on the sofa (It wasn't me)

I even had her in the shower (It wasn't me)

She even caught me on camera (It wasn't me)

[Sho Nuff 719]

I prefer the Shaggy version!

 

But she caught me on the counter (It wasn't me)

Saw me bangin' on the sofa (It wasn't me)

I even had her in the shower (It wasn't me)

She even caught me on camera (It wasn't me)

Shaggy ripped it though.

Ooooooooh!!!

 

obviously some language in that one.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Shaggy ripped it though.

Ooooooooh!!!

 

obviously some language in that one.

I've seen RAW a couple of times...and for the life of me I don't remember that bit. Well then, I stand corrected, good sir! Praise be to Murphy!

[shovelheadt 62]

Militarily, North Korea is NO slouch.

 

They cannot be messed with lightly.

 

The LAST thing the US wants, or can afford, is to get into a tussle with them.

 

If this is true, this could be very, very bad news.

 

PS - I hope you're not under 35.

 

While no slouch, I see a something similar to what happened in Iraq with the 'Elite Republican Guard', or whatever the hell they were called. That's all we heard about in the month prior to the war, then when all hell broke loose, they fought for a couple of days then decided they didn't have the stomach for it. Combine that with the fact that most of these North Korean troops are starving and related to their enemy.

[MedStudent 56]

Militarily, North Korea is NO slouch.

 

They cannot be messed with lightly.

 

The LAST thing the US wants, or can afford, is to get into a tussle with them.

 

If this is true, this could be very, very bad news.

 

PS - I hope you're not under 35.

 

Have you always been a Scaredy Cat?