Jamaal Charles Owners?

[Giants Fan 85]

I have started both of them the past 2 weeks, and will be doing so again this week against the Raiduhs.

[bigmark3333 11]

The three stories on my Yahoo feed.

 

Tue, Nov 2

RB Jamaal Charles continues to lead the NFL in average yards per carry, going 6.47 yards every time he gets the ball. He's run for 666 yards on 103 carries through the first seven games. That's also pushed his career average to 5.95 yards per carry, the best in NFL history for runners with more than 300 attempts.

(Yahoo! Sports)

 

Mon, Nov 1

RB Jamaal Charles touched the ball eight times in overtime, producing 65 yards and helping set up the winning field goal in Kansas City's 13-10 victory. It was a fitting end to what was one of the best games of Charles' three-year NFL career. He had 22 carries for 177 yards (8.0-yard average) and four receptions for 61 yards (15.3-yard average). He had the two longest offensive plays of the day for the Chiefs, a 32-yard run in the first quarter and a 31-yard catch-and-run in the second period. Charles is on pace to run for over 1,500 yards and to register nearly 2,000 yards in total offense. Charles has 666 rushing yards and 191 receiving yards. That pace over 16 games would produce 1,522 yards on the ground and 437 receiving yards. So far, he's averaging 7.2 yards every time he touches the ball.

(Yahoo! Sports)

 

Mon, Nov 1

Charles rushed for a season-best 177 yards on 22 attempts and had a team-high 61 receiving yards in Sunday's 13-10 overtime win over the Bills.

Advice: Charles, fifth in the NFL in scimmage yards with 857, will face a Raiders defense Sunday that ranks 26th against the run at 127.4 yards per game.

(STATS, Inc.)

[casterhald 0]

oh come on, everyone knows Statistics are nothing but damn lies. Thomas Jones is the man.

 

[Kent 228]

Those stats can't read blocks as perfectly as Thomas Jones, so they mean nothing. Thomas Jones is the better back. He should get into the hall of fame based on the block reading alone.

[crowes 1]

Those stats can't read blocks as perfectly as Thomas Jones, so they mean nothing. Thomas Jones is the better back. He should get into the hall of fame based on the block reading alone.

TRU DAT !! Next year Block Reading will be a stat line on FF chat boards and within 3 years becomes the standard measure of what RBs are really all about... much as YAC and targets are to the WR position. Also, cant wait til JC learns to read blocks so that his YPC can hover around 11- 11.5

[cbfalcon 825]

Those stats can't read blocks as perfectly as Thomas Jones, so they mean nothing. Thomas Jones is the better back. He should get into the hall of fame based on the block reading alone.

 

 

Also, Charles has fumbled once this year. Jones hasn't fumbled at all.

 

So would you rather have a guy that moves the ball up and down the field but fumbled once? or a guy that reads blocks well even though he doesn't get as many yards, but didn't fumble once?

 

Pretty clear Jones is better.

[crowes 1]

 

Also, Charles has fumbled once this year. Jones hasn't fumbled at all.

 

So would you rather have a guy that moves the ball up and down the field but fumbled once? or a guy that reads blocks well even though he doesn't get as many yards, but didn't fumble once?

 

Pretty clear Jones is better.

Dont understate this- one fumble makes it a bit more than 'pretty clear'. You've won me over.

[kmbryant09 1]

Where is that Ray Lewis guy???

[Squintz82 45]

Don't forget, Charles' style makes him "more prone to injury". Don't start this guy because he could get hurt any game now.

[bigmark3333 11]

Bill Simmons' take on Charles:

 

"By the way, if you created a differential for "how exciting a football player actually is on a scale of 1 to 100" and "how much buzz that player gets for being exciting on a scale of 1 to 100," Jamaal Charles would be an 84/9 for a differential of plus-75. I can't think of a more exciting football player who's gotten people less excited."

[mambokings 0]

So far, vs. the Raiders:

 

Thomas Jones: 10 carries, 8 yards (with a long of 7 yards)

 

- that means he's had 9 carries for a total of 1 focking yard

 

P.S. he just had another carry for zero gain, but it was called off due to a Raiders defensive penalty...that would have made it 11 carries for 8 yards

[mambokings 0]

Thomas Jones gets the rock again for his 12th carry - and still no gain (what a shocker!)

 

Officially, he's now got 11 carries for a massive 8 yards...that's called riding the hot hand

[stonewall 647]

Truly, it is absolutely inconceivable to me how a coach can black-ball the most prolific RB in the NFL (on a ypc basis), while having a team in position to make a playoff run for the 1st time in years.

 

 

 

 

Inconceivable

[Kent 228]

Thomas Jones gets the rock again for his 12th carry - and still no gain (what a shocker!)

 

Officially, he's now got 11 carries for a massive 8 yards...that's called riding the hot hand

 

Yeah but he's read every block perfectly.

[cbfalcon 825]

Yeah but he's read every block perfectly.

 

Don't forget that Jones isn't fumbling.

 

The ability to read blocks and not fumble is easy justification for giving him 3x the carries of Charles.

[cbfalcon 825]

What you all fail to realize...Charles may be getting 6 ypc to Jones 2 ypc.

 

But Jones reads blocks so well that had Charles gotten Jones carries, he'd only average 1 ypc and have several fumbles. Whereas if Jones had gotten Charles carries, he'd average 8 ypc and have less than Charles zero fumbles.

 

So the guy averaging 2 ypc is actually doing better than the guy averaging 6 ypc. You fools just can't see it like Haley.

[jrbdmb 28]

So why is all of this so painfully obvious to everybody except the one person who matters?

 

Heck, I thought that Jerome Harrison was mishandled in Cleveland, but this reaches an entirely new level of cluelessness.

 

BTW, Jones 16 carries for 28 yards, Charles 5 for 29 yards plus 47 yards receiving. Thank God Jones is reading his blocks.

[Kent 228]

So why is all of this so painfully obvious to everybody except the one person who matters?

 

Heck, I thought that Jerome Harrison was mishandled in Cleveland, but this reaches an entirely new level of cluelessness.

 

BTW, Jones 16 carries for 28 yards, Charles 5 for 29 yards plus 47 yards receiving. Thank God Jones is reading his blocks.

 

The thing is, Charles hasn't properly read a block this year. So you can't really give him the ball too much because he's killing the team.

[cbfalcon 825]

The thing is, Charles hasn't properly read a block this year. So you can't really give him the ball too much because he's killing the team.

 

This.

 

And just imagine the number of misread blocks the Chiefs would be dealing with if JC was the feature back. They wouldn't know what to do.

[Kent 228]

This.

 

And just imagine the number of misread blocks the Chiefs would be dealing with if JC was the feature back. They wouldn't know what to do.

 

KC should get Jerome Bettis out of retirement because that man can read a block.

[Signature_Athletes 0]

This.

 

And just imagine the number of misread blocks the Chiefs would be dealing with if JC was the feature back. They wouldn't know what to do.

As I stated in the Haley thread....

 

I am not sure if you are repeating this in all the threads, but what do you mean by this? As a blocker, he reads better, or he reads them better when he has the ball? If he reads them better as a ball carrier, why are his yards per carry significantly lower? If this is the angle you are taking, I guess I would rather have the guy that can't read blocks and gets 6 ypc any day.

 

Now, if you are talking about his pass protections, I could give a rats @ss!!!

[Kent 228]

As I stated in the Haley thread....

 

I am not sure if you are repeating this in all the threads, but what do you mean by this? As a blocker, he reads better, or he reads them better when he has the ball? If he reads them better as a ball carrier, why are his yards per carry significantly lower? If this is the angle you are taking, I guess I would rather have the guy that can't read blocks and gets 6 ypc any day.

 

Now, if you are talking about his pass protections, I could give a rats @ss!!!

 

Start reading this thread at post number 1. Then, enjoy the laughs.

 

EDIT: TJ had 19 carries for 32 yards. After the 18th carry, maybe an assistant coach would say to Haley, "No, Jones is done today. He's had his 18 chances.". But no, Haley just isn't convinced.

 

Where is the KC sports media? Are they too fooled by the wins versus the lack of JC? At some point, you'd think the KC media would create a stink.

[Dan 66]

As I stated in the Haley thread....

 

I am not sure if you are repeating this in all the threads, but what do you mean by this? As a blocker, he reads better, or he reads them better when he has the ball? If he reads them better as a ball carrier, why are his yards per carry significantly lower? If this is the angle you are taking, I guess I would rather have the guy that can't read blocks and gets 6 ypc any day.

 

Now, if you are talking about his pass protections, I could give a rats @ss!!!

 

Welcome to the string of sarcasm.

 

As you've probably ascertained by now, the folks talking right now are those of us who knew - FROM THE START - that Charles is the better running back in Kansas City, and not by a little bit. The arguments that the anti-Charles crowd have tried to spew have focused on Jones' "other qualities" that make him a more reliable back. I have argued from the start that Haley is simply a rock-headed idiot that won't play Charles more because he isn't "his" guy.

 

Fast forward to week 9 . . .

 

Where are those were trying to sell the game plan of Haley? Or are we actually going to suggest that but for Jones and his 19-for-32 performance, giving Charles more of those carries, would have resulted in getting beaten worse? Charles had his worst statistical day rushing the ball this year, and yet he still outperformed Jones.

 

There is NO reason - zero, nada, zilch - that Charles is taking a back seat to Jones. Even in the game(s) where Jones finished with a better total number, it was not due to an ability that he possessed that Charles did not. I will argue that the Chiefs ridiculous rushing numbers - at least before today - would be MORE ridiculous had the percentage been even flip-flopped. That's a concession for the Thomas Jones crowd. Charles should be getting a much higher split.

 

There is a significant part of me that is happy that the Chiefs lost. MAYBE . . . just MAYBE . . . Haley will visit his proctologist and take care of the biggest problem that offense has.

[Dan 66]

If I were a Chiefs' fan, I would be calling for his job.

[RLLD 4,230]

As I stated from the start, Jones was the better back but Charles would eventually emerge, and is nearly there.

 

Certainly if one has drafted Charles then this horrible injustice is simple unpalatable.

 

Unfortunately, the real world does not always unfold in support of our "fantasy". Charles is nearly the better RB, as I said he would eventually be. In the coming weeks you will see the carries and touches favor him as he is finally doing all of the things an NFL running back should do.

 

If talent and explosiveness alone were all it took, Lawrence Phillips would have had a nice long career....hell, if Lawrence Phillips could do more than churn out yards, Steve Young may have had a few more years.

 

It's the difference between knowing what you are talking about and wanting what you believe to be true.

[Kent 228]

As I stated from the start, Jones was the better back but Charles would eventually emerge, and is nearly there.

 

Certainly if one has drafted Charles then this horrible injustice is simple unpalatable.

 

Unfortunately, the real world does not always unfold in support of our "fantasy". Charles is nearly the better RB, as I said he would eventually be. In the coming weeks you will see the carries and touches favor him as he is finally doing all of the things an NFL running back should do.

 

If talent and explosiveness alone were all it took, Lawrence Phillips would have had a nice long career....hell, if Lawrence Phillips could do more than churn out yards, Steve Young may have had a few more years.

 

It's the difference between knowing what you are talking about and wanting what you believe to be true.

 

I think we're all dumber for having read that post. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

[Dan 66]

As I stated from the start, Jones was the better back but Charles would eventually emerge, and is nearly there.

 

Certainly if one has drafted Charles then this horrible injustice is simple unpalatable.

 

Unfortunately, the real world does not always unfold in support of our "fantasy". Charles is nearly the better RB, as I said he would eventually be. In the coming weeks you will see the carries and touches favor him as he is finally doing all of the things an NFL running back should do.

 

If talent and explosiveness alone were all it took, Lawrence Phillips would have had a nice long career....hell, if Lawrence Phillips could do more than churn out yards, Steve Young may have had a few more years.

 

It's the difference between knowing what you are talking about and wanting what you believe to be true.

 

I don't even know what to say . . . normally, you sound like a rational human being who's rather intelligent and knows what he's talking about. But any defense of Haley after this game is incomprehensible. No spin of any kind, in any measure, can justify it.

 

I'm remarkably disappointed.

[RLLD 4,230]

I think we're all dumber for having read that post. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

 

 

No, you are still as stupid as before, but its just more evident for all to see.

 

Hard to tell whether people are mad that what I predicted came true or if they are just sad for being stupid enough to make Charles a #1 RB on their fantasy team

 

Yet here we are, Jones still getting the bulk of the work, as I predicted.....but here is the best part. Watch how the touches change over the next two weeks now that Charles is doing all of the things an NFL running back should do.

 

Being right is fun, now go cry summore....

[Dan 66]

Ray - you're right . . . on the breakdown of carries.

 

You're wrong . . . on your evaluation of the two backs. There is no evidence to support Jones as the better back. NONE.

 

There is Haley, and after today, he was proven a stubborn idiot . . . choosing a loss to admitting that he's underplaying the best player on his team.

[Kent 228]

No, you are still as stupid as before, but its just more evident for all to see.

 

Hard to tell whether people are mad that what I predicted came true or if they are just sad for being stupid enough to make Charles a #1 RB on their fantasy team

 

Yet here we are, Jones still getting the bulk of the work, as I predicted.....but here is the best part. Watch how the touches change over the next two weeks now that Charles is doing all of the things an NFL running back should do.

 

Being right is fun, now go cry summore....

 

Its true, you were right all along. I haven't seen so many poor block reads from JC tonight than in all my years watching football. You pegged him, from day one. He's horribly unsound and deserves to take a back seat.

[RLLD 4,230]

I don't even know what to say . . . normally, you sound like a rational human being who's rather intelligent and knows what he's talking about. But any defense of Haley after this game is incomprehensible. No spin of any kind, in any measure, can justify it.

 

I'm remarkably disappointed.

 

No worries I am used to it..... happens every year....

 

Last year it was Eddie Royal, and this year its Charles. Every year I hear the same excrement, and every year I am right and have to listen to people whine and complain....its rather common,......unfortunately.

 

Here is the thing. If you are in a league in which you can get your hands on Charles, now is the time. He is about to take over.... I saw exactly what I was waiting for in this past weeks game, he has put it all together.....if you know what you are looking at....of course.....

[braylonjetwards 0]

As I stated from the start, Jones was the better back but Charles would eventually emerge, and is nearly there.

 

Certainly if one has drafted Charles then this horrible injustice is simple unpalatable.

 

Unfortunately, the real world does not always unfold in support of our "fantasy". Charles is nearly the better RB, as I said he would eventually be. In the coming weeks you will see the carries and touches favor him as he is finally doing all of the things an NFL running back should do.

 

If talent and explosiveness alone were all it took, Lawrence Phillips would have had a nice long career....hell, if Lawrence Phillips could do more than churn out yards, Steve Young may have had a few more years.

 

It's the difference between knowing what you are talking about and wanting what you believe to be true.

Dude, it's time to give it up. Anybody who carries 19 times for 30 yards against the Raiders deserves no credit for anything. You are clearly not watching the same players as everybody else on this board. Charles is averaging 6 ypc, and just came off a 230 yard performance. You can keep the block reading/ blitz pickup argument. Charles' explosiveness/speed/elusiveness outweigh any advantage Jones has in other areas. Your just gonna sit here and spew that Charles is nearly there. Thats got to end, Charles has surpassed Jones and it has been this way for a while. I respect your bravery, and you have made sound arguments in the past. I'm sure you know football, but it's time to remove yourself from denial and admit you were wrong on this one.

[RLLD 4,230]

Ray - you're right . . . on the breakdown of carries.

 

You're wrong . . . on your evaluation of the two backs. There is no evidence to support Jones as the better back. NONE.

 

There is Haley, and after today, he was proven a stubborn idiot . . . choosing a loss to admitting that he's underplaying the best player on his team.

 

We can agree to disagree.....

 

Maybe if Charles had some how taken over previously I would accept, but I cannot since I see the reality and the reason. After today, Charles is finally showing other pieces he was missing. During the next Chiefs game I predict a swing in the workload in favor of Charles.

[bigmark3333 11]

No worries I am used to it..... happens every year....

 

Last year it was Eddie Royal, and this year its Charles. Every year I hear the same excrement, and every year I am right and have to listen to people whine and complain....its rather common,......unfortunately.

 

Here is the thing. If you are in a league in which you can get your hands on Charles, now is the time. He is about to take over.... I saw exactly what I was waiting for in this past weeks game, he has put it all together.....if you know what you are looking at....of course.....

 

Can you please enlighten us what Charles is doing now that he wasn't doing earlier in the year?

[Dan 66]

No worries I am used to it..... happens every year....

 

Last year it was Eddie Royal, and this year its Charles. Every year I hear the same excrement, and every year I am right and have to listen to people whine and complain....its rather common,......unfortunately.

 

Here is the thing. If you are in a league in which you can get your hands on Charles, now is the time. He is about to take over.... I saw exactly what I was waiting for in this past weeks game, he has put it all together.....if you know what you are looking at....of course.....

 

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

 

Last year, you aptly called out McDaniels for being foolish enough to ignore Royal's talent.

 

This year, you've actually defended, justified, and rationalized Haley and his decisions, implying that he actually has a clue, and saying yourself that Charles is not as good as Jones.

 

I would contend that the year to this point proves you wrong on those counts entirely.

[RLLD 4,230]

Dude, it's time to give it up. Anybody who carries 19 times for 30 yards against the Raiders deserves no credit for anything. You are clearly not watching the same players as everybody else on this board. Charles is averaging 6 ypc, and just came off a 230 yard performance. You can keep the block reading/ blitz pickup argument. Charles' explosiveness/speed/elusiveness outweigh any advantage Jones has in other areas. Your just gonna sit here and spew that Charles is nearly there. Thats got to end, Charles has surpassed Jones and it has been this way for a while. I respect your bravery, and you have made sound arguments in the past. I'm sure you know football, but it's time to remove yourself from denial and admit you were wrong on this one.

 

I am gonna call it like I see it and,,,,,,how crap.....its actually coming true...

 

The jealousy is really fun and what not, but the sour grapes of people who stupidly drafted him too high is just humorous Boo hoo....

 

But as i stated, Charles is now coming around, and will be the man for the rest of the season.

 

You can hate it, or embrace it, up to you.....

[Kent 228]

No worries I am used to it..... happens every year....

 

Last year it was Eddie Royal, and this year its Charles. Every year I hear the same excrement, and every year I am right and have to listen to people whine and complain....its rather common,......unfortunately.

 

Here is the thing. If you are in a league in which you can get your hands on Charles, now is the time. He is about to take over.... I saw exactly what I was waiting for in this past weeks game, he has put it all together.....if you know what you are looking at....of course.....

 

I don't know about that. I'm watching the the game again with my DVR, and if anything its time to get Thomas Jones. He got far more carries and read every block perfectly. JC still tries to make something out of nothing, and will bail on his blocks often. Its disgraceful. He's not as good with his technique at TJ. Its not close. TJ is the RB you want.

[RLLD 4,230]

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

 

Last year, you aptly called out McDaniels for being foolish enough to ignore Royal's talent.

 

This year, you've actually defended, justified, and rationalized Haley and his decisions, implying that he actually has a clue, and saying yourself that Charles is not as good as Jones.

 

I would contend that the year to this point proves you wrong on those counts entirely.

 

Not at all....

 

I tried to warn people about Royal, got crap for it, was right in my assessment.

 

Same about Charles. Same exact thing. Except of course I maintained that Royal was doomed for the entire season, and Charles only until he figured a few things out. I never once claimed that either Royal OR Charles was not a fantastic talent. I did not that McDaniels was begin an idiot, but in this case I can clearly see the reasons for limiting Charles.

 

We can simply agree to disagree.

 

I cannot wait to see which players this happens on next year.

[Kent 228]

I am gonna call it like I see it and,,,,,,how crap.....its actually coming true...

 

The jealousy is really fun and what not, but the sour grapes of people who stupidly drafted him too high is just humorous Boo hoo....

 

But as i stated, Charles is now coming around, and will be the man for the rest of the season.

 

You can hate it, or embrace it, up to you.....

 

Charles is just now coming around? He had a terrible week by his standards! HAHA. His numbers actually support your prior argument this week, but now he's coming around??? HAHAHAHA!

 

You've lost it. But I love watching the car wreck. Never stop. Never admit defeat.

[RLLD 4,230]

I don't know about that. I'm watching the the game again with my DVR, and if anything its time to get Thomas Jones. He got far more carries and read every block perfectly. JC still tries to make something out of nothing, and will bail on his blocks often. Its disgraceful. He's not as good with his technique at TJ. Its not close. TJ is the RB you want.

 

You seem to be stuck on the "read blocks" thing. If you were perhaps a little less stupid you would see more, but....well, here you are.....whats next, you gonna suggest that Jacoby Ford is fast....omigosh...so insightful....