Kent 228 Posted November 8, 2010 You seem to be stuck on the "read blocks" thing. If you were perhaps a little less stupid you would see more, but....well, here you are.....whats next, you gonna suggest that Jacoby Ford is fast....omigosh...so insightful.... Your argument about this entire debacle is nicely positioned. You're right about TJ, until you're wrong and Charles takes over, and then you're right about it since you called that too. So, you've created an argument you can't lose. Well done. Only one problem, you're an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmark3333 11 Posted November 8, 2010 Can you please enlighten us what Charles is doing now that he wasn't doing earlier in the year? Or for that fact, what did Charles show this week with his ten carries that he didn't with his 230 total yards last week? So you're saying what he showed with his playing this week will get him more carries next week when 230 total yards couldn't accomplish that? Honestly, Charles has been pretty damn consistent every game so far this year, averaging at least 5 yards/touch every game. You are probably now changing your tune due to the fact that Thomas Jones rushed for under 2 ypc this week and its starting to get PAINFULLY obvious Charles is the better back and its now even obvious to you that Charles deserves the carries. You are only trying to hide the fact that you're wrong by saying "oh Charles is now a complete back compared to 3 weeks ago when he wasn't" just so when he finally does get the work he deserves you won't look like the idiot that you are. This will all probably be moot though, because Haley is a bigger idiot than you are and still won't give Charles the carries. Also before you come back with "hes reading holes better, blocking better" or whatever bullshit you're going to say, you can't honestly tell me hes doing that so much better than he was three weeks ago so that he just now deserves more carries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 66 Posted November 8, 2010 Not at all.... I tried to warn people about Royal, got crap for it, was right in my assessment. Same about Charles. Same exact thing. Except of course I maintained that Royal was doomed for the entire season, and Charles only until he figured a few things out. I never once claimed that either Royal OR Charles was not a fantastic talent. I did not that McDaniels was begin an idiot, but in this case I can clearly see the reasons for limiting Charles. We can simply agree to disagree. I cannot wait to see which players this happens on next year. So exactly what is the reason to keep running a guy going nowhere in a tight game, and giving the guy consistently producing limited touches, and ultimately costing your team a game because of it? I recognize that Weis is culpable in this, as well, but really, enlighten me. When the Chiefs were winning in spite of this formula, you at least had a leg to stand on. But this is beyond my fantasy team. The Chiefs just lost to an inferior team - and the glaring contrast between the two backs has to be considered one of the reasons why. I would really like to know how you rationalize that. You won't receive any credibility from your pronouncement, here, and you know it. At least last year, you were proven right. Your "prediction" of Charles getting more carries coincides only with Thomas Jones stinking up the stadium. WOW! Charles will increase his carries NOW????? How did that happen???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
braylonjetwards 0 Posted November 8, 2010 I am gonna call it like I see it and,,,,,,how crap.....its actually coming true... The jealousy is really fun and what not, but the sour grapes of people who stupidly drafted him too high is just humorous Boo hoo.... But as i stated, Charles is now coming around, and will be the man for the rest of the season. You can hate it, or embrace it, up to you..... No jealousy at all, I drafted Charles 3rd round and have CJ2K as my RB1. No sour grapes, I find the people complaining about Charles's production to be ignorant. I have been more than pleased with his production as my RB2. He's scored double digits all but twice, no complaints there from me, it's exactly the consistency I'm looking for with my teams explosive ability. You were correct in that Jones would receive more work than Charles. Other than that you have been way off. You state time and time again that Charles is still learning and is just about there. What exactly is he still learning that makes him worse than Jones. Anyone can make that claim, but it's an empty argument without specific examples. Care to elaborate? It is painfully obvious to the rest of the football community that Charles is a better back than Jones. Again the statistics more than support this. He also passes the eye test to anyone who has watched any Chiefs games. Now, I don't study NFL film, but I find it hard to believe he has such a substantial weakness that it offsets the statistical superiority. You also claimed that Charles will soon take over the workload, but what do you have to support this. What did he fail to do last week against the Bills that didn't earn him significant work this week. Again, I don't study the film so please enlighten me. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that supports Haley increasing Charles workload other than Jones' ineptitudes. Charles has been the bell cow a couple times this year. It seems Haley is just flipping a coin to decide who will be featured. Unless there is something that your seeing that the rest of us are missing, you are really grasping for straws. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 550 Posted November 8, 2010 So who's the bigger retard, Haley or Childress? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ColtsFan2011 0 Posted November 8, 2010 HALEY is. KC fans are pissed right now I mean fuming mad. He has no logic for letting Thomas Jones even touch the ball. The fantasy experts were right that at some point in the season TJones would wear down and it started last week and the game against Oakland made it even more obvious. 19 carries for 32 yards?! Haley is a ######! Charles goes for 6 yards everytime he touches the ball. And Thomas Jones fumbled 2day also! I thought last week was the icebreaker but it clearly hasnt gotten into Haleys thick skull that Charles is the better back. And to be honest with everyone I dont think it ever will. I am not happy at all getting 13 points from Charles when I know I could have gotten at least 18-20. SMDH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmbryant09 1 Posted November 8, 2010 So who's the bigger retard, Haley or Childress? Ray Lewis' Limo Driver Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MicktheGreat 1 Posted November 8, 2010 Your argument about this entire debacle is nicely positioned. You're right about TJ, until you're wrong and Charles takes over, and then you're right about it since you called that too. So, you've created an argument you can't lose. As I'm someone who is actually OK with Charles's FF production thus far (he's my #2 RB), I don't really have too much invested in this bickering. But, I also had the same interpretation of his argument when I read it -- that, basically, regardless of what happens, his argument has been framed in such a manner that anything that happens results in the "right" conclusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Puddleglum 0 Posted November 8, 2010 I always look forward to this thread getting dredged back up every Sunday after the games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmark3333 11 Posted November 8, 2010 No jealousy at all, I drafted Charles 3rd round and have CJ2K as my RB1. No sour grapes, I find the people complaining about Charles's production to be ignorant. I have been more than pleased with his production as my RB2. He's scored double digits all but twice, no complaints there from me, it's exactly the consistency I'm looking for with my teams explosive ability. You were correct in that Jones would receive more work than Charles. Other than that you have been way off. You state time and time again that Charles is still learning and is just about there. What exactly is he still learning that makes him worse than Jones. Anyone can make that claim, but it's an empty argument without specific examples. Care to elaborate? It is painfully obvious to the rest of the football community that Charles is a better back than Jones. Again the statistics more than support this. He also passes the eye test to anyone who has watched any Chiefs games. Now, I don't study NFL film, but I find it hard to believe he has such a substantial weakness that it offsets the statistical superiority. You also claimed that Charles will soon take over the workload, but what do you have to support this. What did he fail to do last week against the Bills that didn't earn him significant work this week. Again, I don't study the film so please enlighten me. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that supports Haley increasing Charles workload other than Jones' ineptitudes. Charles has been the bell cow a couple times this year. It seems Haley is just flipping a coin to decide who will be featured. Unless there is something that your seeing that the rest of us are missing, you are really grasping for straws. You're argument is essentially the same as mine. Looks like we're going to be waiting for the answers for awhile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavern 70 Posted November 8, 2010 the only thing i can think of is that haley is trying to get through the regular season by grinding jones down and he plans to use charles in the playoffs. he'd better get there first, however. yesterday this possible strategy might have blown up in his face Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted November 8, 2010 the only thing i can think of is that haley is trying to get through the regular season by grinding jones down and he plans to use charles in the playoffs. he'd better get there first, however. yesterday this possible strategy might have blown up in his face Why play Charles at all then? He could get hurt at any time. If he got 1 carry a game that could be the one where Charles goes down. I don't buy it. Qualify for the playoffs first, then save your players. In that order. Haley is simply a moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavern 70 Posted November 8, 2010 Why play Charles at all then? He could get hurt at any time. If he got 1 carry a game that could be the one where Charles goes down. I don't buy it. Qualify for the playoffs first, then save your players. In that order. Haley is simply a moron. don't get me wrong - i'm not advocating this plan, i'm just trying to make sense out of this seeming madness. however, to answer your question about why use him at all - to keep him sharp and into what's going on. if this IS indeed the plan - it's not so much as keeping him from getting hurt - it would be to keep him from wearing down over the course of the season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 66 Posted November 8, 2010 don't get me wrong - i'm not advocating this plan, i'm just trying to make sense out of this seeming madness. however, to answer your question about why use him at all - to keep him sharp and into what's going on. if this IS indeed the plan - it's not so much as keeping him from getting hurt - it would be to keep him from wearing down over the course of the season The rub, of course, is that Kansas City is not a lock for the playoffs. They are playing on that measure of winning the games that they have to win. You can't "throw one away" and expect to win anyway. San Diego is historically a good second half team, and they just lost to Oakland, bringing them into the picture. Oakland was one of the games that they should have won. To give it away on hard-headed stubbornness is foolhardy, and has the potential for ramifications beyond a single game. This is the NFL . . . 16 game season . . . not 162, not 82, not 80. 16!!! And they threw away a division game against an inferior opponent. If what you say is truly the plan . . . it just backfired. And it backfired while they watched it happen. 9 carries for 8 yards - okay, we goofed; maybe we should change course. But to continue to feed that putrescence is cutting off the nose to spite the face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted November 8, 2010 Week #9 Jamaal Charles 10/53 with a 5.3 average Thomas Jones 19/32 with a 1.7 average I'm still baffled every week on why TJ is getting more touches? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mambokings 0 Posted November 8, 2010 Week #9 Jamaal Charles 10/53 with a 5.3 average Thomas Jones 19/32 with a 1.7 average I'm still baffled every week on why TJ is getting more touches? It's all part of Haley's master plan for a "balanced rushing attack"...in this case, that means giving Jones twice as many carries in the hope he can balance his rushing total with what Charles gets in half the touches. Insane? Yes, but welcome to the twisted mind of one of the NFL's most intense control freaks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavern 70 Posted November 8, 2010 The rub, of course, is that Kansas City is not a lock for the playoffs. They are playing on that measure of winning the games that they have to win. You can't "throw one away" and expect to win anyway. San Diego is historically a good second half team, and they just lost to Oakland, bringing them into the picture. Oakland was one of the games that they should have won. To give it away on hard-headed stubbornness is foolhardy, and has the potential for ramifications beyond a single game. This is the NFL . . . 16 game season . . . not 162, not 82, not 80. 16!!! And they threw away a division game against an inferior opponent. If what you say is truly the plan . . . it just backfired. And it backfired while they watched it happen. 9 carries for 8 yards - okay, we goofed; maybe we should change course. But to continue to feed that putrescence is cutting off the nose to spite the face. like i said in an earlier post - yesterday backfired. you gotta get there first. but who knows what's really going on, it's bizarre Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted November 9, 2010 KC lost that game because of some of those running calls. In a game where TJ is struggling, just go with Charles and stick it out. I understand what Haley has been doing all season, but yesterday was the perfect example of needing to just stick to one back in a close game. The guy who's averaging more than 4 and has a homerun threat against a fast defense. TJ had no chance against them yesterday. So I say HA Now you're 5-3! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrbdmb 28 Posted November 9, 2010 Listened to a bit of Kansas City sports radio this morning. Here is basically what I heard: 1. Chiefs are doing so much better than last year, Haley is a genius. Leave him alone. 2. NFL coaches are so far beyond fans, we fans are incapable of understanding why TJ still gets more carries. Just trust the coaches. 3. Charles is getting limited touches due to injury, nevermind the fact that he's never been listed on the injury report. 4. Charles is incapable of handling a full workload. Refer to points #2 and #3 above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavern 70 Posted November 9, 2010 Listened to a bit of Kansas City sports radio this morning. Here is basically what I heard: 1. Chiefs are doing so much better than last year, Haley is a genius. Leave him alone. 2. NFL coaches are so far beyond fans, we fans are incapable of understanding why TJ still gets more carries. Just trust the coaches. 3. Charles is getting limited touches due to injury, nevermind the fact that he's never been listed on the injury report. 4. Charles is incapable of handling a full workload. Refer to points #2 and #3 above. ok, if he's hurt, he's hurt.... but, yeah, i think they'd want him on the injury report - if not only to comply with league rules then to CYA with the angry mob that wants him to get touches. incapable of handling a full workload? ok, fine, just half the workload and they probably beat oakland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheesesteaks 0 Posted November 9, 2010 Listened to a bit of Kansas City sports radio this morning. Here is basically what I heard: 1. Chiefs are doing so much better than last year, Haley is a genius. Leave him alone. 2. NFL coaches are so far beyond fans, we fans are incapable of understanding why TJ still gets more carries. Just trust the coaches. 3. Charles is getting limited touches due to injury, nevermind the fact that he's never been listed on the injury report. 4. Charles is incapable of handling a full workload. Refer to points #2 and #3 above. However, the Oakland game undermines many of these points. Ok you have saved Charles most fo the game, however when the game is on the line if you give Charles 5 more carries will not kill him and it will help the team. If KC had won this game the would have a huge lead on Oakland and SD. Charles had 18 touches (10 rushing and 8 catching) so the injury premise does not hold water. The first two is obviously incorrect, just look at Kubiak having Schaub throw 38 times against Indy 2 weeks ago instead of running Foster all day like week 1; or look at Shanahan benching McNabb for the 2-min drive for Grossman who fumbled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted November 9, 2010 Listened to a bit of Kansas City sports radio this morning. Here is basically what I heard: 1. Chiefs are doing so much better than last year, Haley is a genius. Leave him alone. 2. NFL coaches are so far beyond fans, we fans are incapable of understanding why TJ still gets more carries. Just trust the coaches. 3. Charles is getting limited touches due to injury, nevermind the fact that he's never been listed on the injury report. 4. Charles is incapable of handling a full workload. Refer to points #2 and #3 above. That a really sad reflection on the KC fan base. What games are they watching? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mambokings 0 Posted November 9, 2010 That a really sad reflection on the KC fan base Hey, it's Kansas Sh!tty we're talking about; those bums haven't sniffed a Super Bowl in 40 focking years. It's no surprise; they deserve Todd Haley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrbdmb 28 Posted November 9, 2010 I agree ... it blew my mind when I read some K.C. message boards and one of the overriding opinions was that coaches like Haley are professionals who have spent years in football - therefore fans have no right to question them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Puddleglum 0 Posted November 9, 2010 Football Outsiders chimed in on this debat today since TJ's performance was the "least valuable" of all running backs last week. I bolded my favorite part. Let's make this very clear: Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones are not an equal pairing. They should not be billed as partners. In their relationship, Charles is Simon and Jones is Garfunkel. Charles is Lou Barlow and Jones is Eric Gaffney. Charles is Will Smith and Jones is DJ Jazzy Jeff. (Fill in your favorite lopsided songwriting partnership here.) The case for Jones is that he's a stable veteran that everyone likes who doesn't make mistakes. Although he fumbled against the Raiders, he doesn't cough up the ball very frequently. Fair enough. On the other hand, Jones had 19 carries, and nine -- nearly half -- went for no gain or a loss. That includes both his carries on third-and-1; so much for being a good short yardage back. He averaged just over two yards a pop on first down, and as was the case in New York, he doesn't contribute very much as a receiver. On the other hand, Jamaal Charles touched the ball 15 times. Only once did his play result in negative yardage. 16.7 percent of Jones' carries on the year have resulted in no gain or a loss; Charles is at just 11.5 percent. Jones has a 39 percent Success Rate for his carries this year, while Charles is at a robust 53 percent. The team has eight carries of 20 yards or more, and five are of Charles' authoring. There is something to be said for keeping Charles fresh, but the Chiefs are costing themselves points by giving Thomas Jones a 55 percent split of the Jones-Charles carries. It may very well have cost them their game against the Raiders on Sunday. Whether by hook, crook, injury, industrial accident, spite, or whatever other method the Chiefs organization might wish to use to justify switching the workload, the Chiefs need to free Jamaal Charles. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2010/week-9-quick-reads Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrbdmb 28 Posted November 9, 2010 Football Outsiders is tragically misinformed as they never mentioned the importance of reading your blocks correctly, which Jones excels at. Perhaps someday Charles will master this skill, at which point he can begin to be given a few more carries per game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmbryant09 1 Posted November 11, 2010 We can agree to disagree.....and just see what unfolds......and I will be right.....once again....because Jones IS the better RB. What has unfolded this season, is that Jamaal Charles has far outplayed Thomas Jones. Jamaal Charles IS the better RB. This is purely my own individual assessment of what I see in them each on the field. Their running style, how they recognize the blocks forming and unforming in front of them, their "pace" as the play unfolds and how well they judge the play in terms of exploiting holes, or not. Jones is clearly the back with better vision and understanding of reading the blocks and play pace, a fact apparently the coaches have recognized as well. Again. Wrong. Not at all. I can easily be incorrect, it happened once back in 2002. If I am wrong I will certainly admit as such. And I certainly won't call people names if I disagree either. I haven't read your comments of late that have apparently hedged your position a little, but I think it's pretty clear that you were as close to 100% wrong as one could be. And since you said you'd admit if you were wrong.....I think we are all waiting. Oh, and this is a little excerpt from Football Outsiders: "Let's make this very clear: Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones are not an equal pairing. They should not be billed as partners. In their relationship, Charles is Simon and Jones is Garfunkel. The case for Jones is that he's a stable veteran who everyone likes and who doesn't make mistakes. Although he fumbled against the Oakland Raiders, he doesn't cough up the ball very frequently. Fair enough. But Jones had 19 carries, and nine -- nearly half -- went for no gain or a loss. That includes both his carries on third-and-1. He averaged just over two yards a pop on first down and, as was the case in New York, he doesn't contribute very much as a receiver. Conversely, Charles touched the ball 15 times Sunday and only one carry resulted in negative yardage. Jones has had 16.7 percent of his carries on the year result in no gain or a loss, while Charles is at just 11.5 percent. Jones has a 39 percent success rate for his carries this year, while Charles is at a robust 53 percent. The team has eight carries of 20 yards or more this season, and five belong to Charles. There is something to be said for keeping Charles fresh, but the Chiefs are costing themselves points by giving Jones a 55 percent share of the carries. It may very well have cost them their game on Sunday." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westlak 1 Posted November 11, 2010 Football Outsiders is tragically misinformed as they never mentioned the importance of reading your blocks correctly, which Jones excels at. Perhaps someday Charles will master this skill, at which point he can begin to be given a few more carries per game. Jamal Charles told me to tell ya "Someday I'll start reading my blocks too and average 3.00 per carry. In the meantime I guess I'll have to remain stupid and average 6 yards per carry. Oh well. " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,735 Posted November 11, 2010 No, you are still as stupid as before, but its just more evident for all to see. Hard to tell whether people are mad that what I predicted came true or if they are just sad for being stupid enough to make Charles a #1 RB on their fantasy team Yet here we are, Jones still getting the bulk of the work, as I predicted.....but here is the best part. Watch how the touches change over the next two weeks now that Charles is doing all of the things an NFL running back should do. Ray Ray, again i always respect your opinion and what you predicted, has indeed come true. however, much like last year with Eddie Royal, your reasoning behind said prediction was offbase. Haley has given the larger workload to Thomas Jones, but watching the two run, there is no visual evidence that Jones should have such a large workload. There just isn't. And as others have pointed out, you were very careful in the wording of your arguement so that by the time Charles assumes the larger workload you can rattle off a line like "Charles is now showing what I wanted to see from him as more of a complete NFL back".... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,735 Posted November 11, 2010 I saw exactly what I was waiting for in this past weeks game, he has put it all together.....if you know what you are looking at....of course..... sorry man but this deserves a rather large helping of Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,735 Posted November 11, 2010 I tried to warn people about Royal, got crap for it, was right in my assessment. sorry, im not trying to pile on but i vividly remember your rationale behind avoiding Royal last year and it did not mesh with what actually happened. Royal was a waste because he was never played in the slot as fantasy owners believed he would be. you never said he would be underutilized as a decoy on the outside. In fact, you said very little in terms of actual reasoning behind your assessment that he would disappoint fantasy owners other than to say he no longer had Cutler throwing to him. Guess my point is while you seem to get these predictions right, your assessments don't hold water. But you leave them vague enough so they appear to be less of a hunch and more of an analysis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Signature_Athletes 0 Posted November 12, 2010 Just cut ties with him, so he is going to BLOW UP!!! Traded him and Washington for Jennings, Dez, and F. Jackson. Was thin at WR with underachievers S. Smith (Car) and Ochocinco). Now, a guy wants to trade me T. Jones for V. Davis and S. Smith. So, in one week, I could go from a Haley hater to a Haley lover. But like I said, now that I cut ties, Haley will pull his head out of his @ss, give the rock to Charles and T. Jones will be a blast from the past.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted November 12, 2010 Again .... I drafted both of them. I have been starting both of them. I am starting both of them again this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted November 12, 2010 Again .... I drafted both of them. I have been starting both of them. I am starting both of them again this week. After last week, why? Your other RB options must be ugly of you can't replace Jones at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted November 12, 2010 After last week, why? Your other RB options must be ugly of you can't replace Jones at this point. Well really, playing Jones is like insurance if you are starting Charles. They pull one and put in the other and it's a good thing, not a bad thing. Jones has only really had one better game, but really he's in my flex spot. Starting Charles and Best, with Jones in the Flex. Recently traded Sproles for D-Will and will likely start him over Jones at some point. For now, happy with my Charles insurance, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,735 Posted November 12, 2010 Well really, playing Jones is like insurance if you are starting Charles. They pull one and put in the other and it's a good thing, not a bad thing. Jones has only really had one better game, but really he's in my flex spot. Starting Charles and Best, with Jones in the Flex. Recently traded Sproles for D-Will and will likely start him over Jones at some point. For now, happy with my Charles insurance, it also assures you will never have a big week from your RB position. sure, both could go off for 100+ and a TD but thats not the norm. More likely you are getting the production of 1 fantasy player or maybe 1.5 players from 2 spots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted November 12, 2010 it also assures you will never have a big week from your RB position. sure, both could go off for 100+ and a TD but thats not the norm. More likely you are getting the production of 1 fantasy player or maybe 1.5 players from 2 spots. I've considered that. It's a more conservative approach at RB. It wasn't my plan going in. I went WR/QB/RB so Charles was my first RB drafted. I simply don't have a better option in the flex right now than Jones. But combined they are the #1 running game in the NFL, so it's a little better than 1.5 players. Right? It's not Barber and Jones ... it's Charles and Jones. With the 11th pick I was never able to get a top RB. In a sh!tty league where people only trade with you if they know you ... so had to make the best of it. Had Hillis. Traded him pre week 1 for Best and thought I had a steal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Puddleglum 0 Posted November 12, 2010 I've been starting Charles and Jones together for several weeks now and it's worked out fine. Basically you're accepting a lower ceiling for a higher floor in scoring. Which is fine for me at RB, as I've got Rodgers and Gates (or Tamme) giving me solid points at QB and TE every week. So I know I don't need a home run at RB, just consistent production. Together they are averaging 23 points a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted November 12, 2010 Exactly. I drafted Charles and Jones thinking one of them would become a clear starter. So really I spent 2 draft picks to try and get 1 starter .... and I have 2 starters. I'm happy starting both of them for now. The only people complaining are the ones that don't have BOTH. That's the key to this thing. You gotta have both. Halley doesn't care what your fantasy league score is, he wants Charles healthy for the playoffs. And Jones is a capable, veteran back. You got a truck and a Ferrari ... you might actually drive the truck half the time. But if I was forced to start one it would be Charles. Charles is the better back in FF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 66 Posted November 12, 2010 Exactly. I drafted Charles and Jones thinking one of them would become a clear starter. So really I spent 2 draft picks to try and get 1 starter .... and I have 2 starters. I'm happy starting both of them for now. The only people complaining are the ones that don't have BOTH. That's the key to this thing. You gotta have both. Halley doesn't care what your fantasy league score is, he wants Charles healthy for the playoffs. And Jones is a capable, veteran back. You got a truck and a Ferrari ... you might actually drive the truck half the time. But if I was forced to start one it would be Charles. Charles is the better back in FF. See, I agree with this. But here's the crux . . . don't they have to make the playoffs first? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites