Jamaal Charles Owners?

[Boston Three Party 6]

CJ2.0 needs to show up tomorrow.

 

And Haley, go FOCK YOURSELF.

 

Only a matter of time boys. Just a matter of which week.

[RLLD 4,145]

[Dan 62]

 

I'm not sure what your point is. Charles is still the better player, and despite getting fewer carries ranks 8th in the NFL. Think on that. You're defending backup quality in the starting position.

 

To make it worse, you're justifying Haley refusing to reverse the roles for a guy who is going to be in the NFL how much longer?? Still makes no sense. Pointing to a blowout of a team that you and I could get a group of guys from the board together and score some points on means nothing.

[stonewall 647]

Haley now officially joins the ranks of Belichick and Payton......coaches that I will neva again draft their RB's.

 

Too unpredictable and sometimes just plain idiotic.

[Ambroc 0]

I'm not sure what your point is. Charles is still the better player, and despite getting fewer carries ranks 8th in the NFL. Think on that. You're defending backup quality in the starting position.

 

To make it worse, you're justifying Haley refusing to reverse the roles for a guy who is going to be in the NFL how much longer?? Still makes no sense. Pointing to a blowout of a team that you and I could get a group of guys from the board together and score some points on means nothing.

 

After Watching TJ make that long run through that GAPING HOLE, all I could think was...JC Superstar would have brought that to the HOUSE...and TJ did not.

[justforbeer 41]

I think this is all wishfull thinking.

 

T. Jones was a top 5 back last year and an accomplished runner in the NFL.

Maybe midyear you will see Charles getting a 50/50 split.

Toward the end of the season, he may take over, but I would not spend a 2nd/3rd round pick for someone that is comparable to a ww pickup toward the end of the year. (like he was last year) also see J. Harrison too.

 

If you were not paying attention, T. Jones was always considered the #1 RB the day he signed.

 

Love it when I am right.

 

Go TJ!

[RLLD 4,145]

I'm not sure what your point is. Charles is still the better player, and despite getting fewer carries ranks 8th in the NFL. Think on that. You're defending backup quality in the starting position.

 

To make it worse, you're justifying Haley refusing to reverse the roles for a guy who is going to be in the NFL how much longer?? Still makes no sense. Pointing to a blowout of a team that you and I could get a group of guys from the board together and score some points on means nothing.

 

I am simply noting that TJ is the better back (right now) and the proof is on display.

 

It would be one thing if TJ wasn't getting the touches or the production, but he is. At some point to simply have to accept reality

[Dan 62]

I am simply noting that TJ is the better back (right now) and the proof is on display.

 

It would be one thing if TJ wasn't getting the touches or the production, but he is. At some point to simply have to accept reality

 

You're right that he's getting the higher percentage of the carries . . . which I concede I thought would have shifted by now. Jones is also showing that he still has something left. But you are not right in saying that he is the better back. He simply is not. As a previous poster said, Charles takes Jones' long run to the house, and there isn't a guy within 10 yards. But I guess this proves your point of his being "better", because he had a great game boosted by that run.

 

Reality:

 

Touches - Advantage: Jones.

Production - Advantage: Charles (he still has outrushed him despite yesterday's game)

 

Better back - We're simply not going to agree. Proof on display? Which proof?

[RLLD 4,145]

You're right that he's getting the higher percentage of the carries . . . which I concede I thought would have shifted by now. Jones is also showing that he still has something left. But you are not right in saying that he is the better back. He simply is not. As a previous poster said, Charles takes Jones' long run to the house, and there isn't a guy within 10 yards. But I guess this proves your point of his being "better", because he had a great game boosted by that run.

 

Reality:

 

Touches - Advantage: Jones.

Production - Advantage: Charles (he still has outrushed him despite yesterday's game)

 

Better back - We're simply not going to agree. Proof on display? Which proof?

 

We can agree to disagree as to who is the "better back". The coaching staff and I appear to agree that it is TJ a the present time. Charles is clearly developing and will certainly be the workhorse next year. I suspect that at his current pace he will emerge as the predominant back during the final three or four games of this season, he is clearly figuring out the speed, tempo and design of the offensive schemes.

 

The only "proof" I need is what I am seeing, TJ is getting the work.

[Kent 228]

I am simply noting that TJ is the better back (right now) and the proof is on display.

 

It would be one thing if TJ wasn't getting the touches or the production, but he is. At some point to simply have to accept reality

 

If JC is in the game on the play TJ ran for 70 and got tackled, he gets in the end zone because nobody catches him. Then you're singing a different tune.

[kmbryant09 1]

We can agree to disagree as to who is the "better back". The coaching staff and I appear to agree that it is TJ a the present time. Charles is clearly developing and will certainly be the workhorse next year. I suspect that at his current pace he will emerge as the predominant back during the final three or four games of this season, he is clearly figuring out the speed, tempo and design of the offensive schemes.

 

The only "proof" I need is what I am seeing, TJ is getting the work.

RLLD - you are embarrassing yourself.

 

For 6 weeks, it's clear that Charles was out-producing T. Jones...and you are silent, nowhere to be found.

 

Fast forward to Week 7, and Thomas Jones runs for 70 yards through a 5-yard hole, and still gets run-down at the 5 yardline...and here you are back to arguing that T. Jones is the 'better' RB.

 

Thomas Jones: 99 carries, 461 yards, 4.7 ypc 3 TD's...3 catches/16 yards (5.3 ypc).

Jamaal Charles: 81 carries, 489 yards, 6.0 ypc 2 TDs...12 catches/130 yards (10.8 ypc).

 

But yeah - keep arguing that Jones is the better back

[cavern 70]

this is an odd argument to me.

 

yes, i think it could be frustrating to watch from a FFball perspective (although i am a charles owner and doing quite well) - but the recipe being used by the chiefs is WORKING. so i'm not sure why it matters who the better back is perceived to be. the chiefs are winning and they're keeping their 2 backs fresh by sharing the load. frankly, my guess is they are just trying to get to the post season with them both healthy (but especially charles). and so far, the chiefs have achieved an A+ in their progress toward that goal

[travis_henrys_baby_momma 10]

Maybe we should look at the big picture:

 

Chiefs record when Charles gets more work.... 0-1 (of note, Charles costly fumble as the chiefs were driving right before halftime-- Charles got hit and the ball popped out, yikes!)

 

Chiefs record when Jones gets more work...... 4-1

 

 

More big picture:

 

Charles career....417 touches and 5 lost fumbles

Jones (2007-2010 seasons).....1107 touches and 1 lost fumble

 

You guys seems pretty good at math, as far as yards per touch.....could someone help me with the "Fumbles per Touch"? I did the math and it came out that Charles was 1333 percent more likely to cough it up. Wow, that can't be right. Oh, but it is.

 

Looks to me like giving Charles the rock is risky.

 

Which begs the question, when is the most convenient time to fumble it away? I would dare say, only when losing by a lot. So ya'll better get used to the current situation because the Chiefs are better than you thought.

[cbfalcon 825]

this is an odd argument to me.

 

yes, i think it could be frustrating to watch from a FFball perspective (although i am a charles owner and doing quite well) - but the recipe being used by the chiefs is WORKING. so i'm not sure why it matters who the better back is perceived to be. the chiefs are winning and they're keeping their 2 backs fresh by sharing the load. frankly, my guess is they are just trying to get to the post season with them both healthy (but especially charles). and so far, the chiefs have achieved an A+ in their progress toward that goal

 

Dude...this is an FF board. Nobody here gives a fock if the Chiefs make the playoffs or go 3-13.

 

Thus, Haley is an idiot.

[Kent 228]

this is an odd argument to me.

 

yes, i think it could be frustrating to watch from a FFball perspective (although i am a charles owner and doing quite well) - but the recipe being used by the chiefs is WORKING. so i'm not sure why it matters who the better back is perceived to be. the chiefs are winning and they're keeping their 2 backs fresh by sharing the load. frankly, my guess is they are just trying to get to the post season with them both healthy (but especially charles). and so far, the chiefs have achieved an A+ in their progress toward that goal

 

The Chiefs beat the Jags. The JAGS, with a 3rd string QB. Any recipe works against them.

 

I'm wondering what good team the Chiefs beat this year. Do they have a good victory? I would say the Chargers, but the Chargers suck this year. Total meltdown from the San Diego organization.

 

EDIT: They beat the Chargers, Browns, 49ers and Jags. They lost to Houston and Indy.

 

And I just looked at the rest of the schedule, and oh my lord is it a joke. The Rams I think are the toughest team left on the schedule.

[Dan 62]

Maybe we should look at the big picture:

 

Chiefs record when Charles gets more work.... 0-1 (of note, Charles costly fumble as the chiefs were driving right before halftime-- Charles got hit and the ball popped out, yikes!)

 

Chiefs record when Jones gets more work...... 4-1

 

 

More big picture:

 

Charles career....417 touches and 5 lost fumbles

Jones (2007-2010 seasons).....1107 touches and 1 lost fumble

 

You guys seems pretty good at math, as far as yards per touch.....could someone help me with the "Fumbles per Touch"? I did the math and it came out that Charles was 1333 percent more likely to cough it up. Wow, that can't be right. Oh, but it is.

 

Looks to me like giving Charles the rock is risky.

 

Which begs the question, when is the most convenient time to fumble it away? I would dare say, only when losing by a lot. So ya'll better get used to the current situation because the Chiefs are better than you thought.

 

 

I'm going to make a simple suggestion. Go back and look at Jones whole career. Especially look at the early fumble numbers that you like so much. Then perhaps we can fast forward and ask the coach to . . . um . . . coach.

[travis_henrys_baby_momma 10]

I'm going to make a simple suggestion. Go back and look at Jones whole career. Especially look at the early fumble numbers that you like so much. Then perhaps we can fast forward and ask the coach to . . . um . . . coach.

 

You are basically proving my point....young, inexperienced players fumble more.

 

And of course, Thomas Jones early career has nothing to do with how often he fumbles now. He is a rock solid veteran leader who knows the NFL game inside-out.....and he doesn't fumble. It's that simple.

 

But if you must compare their entire careers, then Charles is still 248% more likely to fumble. There, feel better?

[cavern 70]

Dude...this is an FF board. Nobody here gives a fock if the Chiefs make the playoffs or go 3-13.

 

Thus, Haley is an idiot.

 

yeah, i guess. it's just strange that people seem to think haley's doing something wrong. that's a hard argument to make at 4-2

[Puddleglum 0]

All I know is I happen to own both and I am starting them both until further notice.

[Dan 62]

You are basically proving my point....young, inexperienced players fumble more.

 

And of course, Thomas Jones early career has nothing to do with how often he fumbles now. He is a rock solid veteran leader who knows the NFL game inside-out.....and he doesn't fumble. It's that simple.

 

But if you must compare their entire careers, then Charles is still 248% more likely to fumble. There, feel better?

 

Your reasoning is faulty. Part of me thinks you deliberately want to sidestep, because you know that the number is still not going to compare because Jones has admittedly gotten better as his career has gone on.

 

But . . . Haley clearly has not embraced Charles as "his guy," and has not done the things that make players better. Tom Coughlin went to New York and many thought that Tiki Barber would suffer because Coughlin wouldn't put up with that. But Coughlin recognized the talent that he had and taught him to carry the ball in a way that lent itself to lesser risk of fumbling. The rest was history. Haley just wants to make excuses for why his way works better.

 

I understand the "win-now" mentality, and I get the "it's working" justifications. We knew this would happen before the season began. In this very thread, you'll find that predicted. It doesn't make it a great decision. I'm a Steelers' fan, still trying to figure out how Bruce Arians has a job. But they win, so it must be good.

[RLLD 4,145]

 

But . . . Haley clearly has not embraced Charles as "his guy," and has not done the things that make players better.

 

 

But he WILL....you just have to be a little more patient....a few more weeks, and next year for sure....

[Redstone 0]

yeah, i guess. it's just strange that people seem to think haley's doing something wrong. that's a hard argument to make at 4-2

They are in the same boat as clowns bitching at a 5-2 Jeff Fisher for not giving CJ enough carries. If I was coaching KC, I'd feel much more confident with TJ as my main back. The team record proves it

[cbfalcon 825]

They are in the same boat as clowns bitching at a 5-2 Jeff Fisher for not giving CJ enough carries. If I was coaching KC, I'd feel much more confident with TJ as my main back. The team record proves it

 

If I were coach, I'd put in Charles when I am interested in scoring, and Jones when I am interested in other things like running out the clock.

[ColtsFan2011 0]

Charles will not be in kansas city next year cheifs fans. He will be a restricted free agent after the season which means he will go to a team that will make him a FEATURE back. not a backup to a 32 year old veteran. God i hate Todd Haley! btw (he never played football on any level) So how he ever became a head coach is beyond me.

[psychotical 0]

Anyone notice that McCluster had a huge week? Get ready to spilt some more

[mambokings 0]

I'm a Charles owner and feeling a little better now than I did to start the year. Haley is still an idiot, a total ass, but he does seem to be getting Charles more involved. Hell, didn't Charles even get the start here or there recently? And yesterday he was given a goal-line TD. Charles is damn talented, and Weiss might have something to do with Haley easing up. The guy to worry about is McCluster, since he provides something similar to Charles. He's my bigger fear, not Thomas Jones.

[ColtsFan2011 0]

Even if something happend to Thomas Jones. I can guarantee Haley would put McCluster back there. I just dont understand that idiot Haley. Didnt he see what Charles did for him last year? Everytime i think Charles will have a huge week Haley pulls the rug out from under him.

[The Bag-O-Bones 5]

If JC is in the game on the play TJ ran for 70 and got tackled, he gets in the end zone because nobody catches him. Then you're singing a different tune.

 

Hmmm, I think he actually stepped out of bounds when diving into the corner of the endzone.

[Kent 228]

I'm a Charles owner and feeling a little better now than I did to start the year. Haley is still an idiot, a total ass, but he does seem to be getting Charles more involved. Hell, didn't Charles even get the start here or there recently? And yesterday he was given a goal-line TD. Charles is damn talented, and Weiss might have something to do with Haley easing up. The guy to worry about is McCluster, since he provides something similar to Charles. He's my bigger fear, not Thomas Jones.

 

They can't give McCluster the ball too much though. They did this game, and he got hurt. I think he weighs 165 pounds or something crazy. He's a WR or 3rd down back at best. They start giving him real carries and he'll get killed.

[The Bag-O-Bones 5]

I'm a Charles owner and feeling a little better now than I did to start the year. Haley is still an idiot, a total ass, but he does seem to be getting Charles more involved. Hell, didn't Charles even get the start here or there recently? And yesterday he was given a goal-line TD. Charles is damn talented, and Weiss might have something to do with Haley easing up. The guy to worry about is McCluster, since he provides something similar to Charles. He's my bigger fear, not Thomas Jones.

 

That TD came after Jones' 70 yard run and he needed a breather...

[Stewburtx8 67]

Take away the 70 yard run that a majority of NFL RB's would of scored on, and Thomas Jones averaged less than 3 yards per carry.

[Giants Fan 85]

Going forward BOTH are startable. I have both, started both this week, and will be starting them both next week.

[Dan 62]

Take away the 70 yard run that a majority of NFL RB's would of scored on, and Thomas Jones averaged less than 3 yards per carry.

 

That's okay. The Chiefs won. The offense doesn't have to be good.

[Boston Three Party 6]

I have no idea what to do with the guy anymore - sell or hold?

 

I'm quite sure I could target MJD/Big Ben in a package with Charles/Brady, but I don't know.

[travis_henrys_baby_momma 10]

Take away the 70 yard run that a majority of NFL RB's would of scored on, and Thomas Jones averaged less than 3 yards per carry.

 

Since you only want to look at Jones crappy low yardage totes...perhaps we should do the same for Jamaal.

 

8 carries ------ 4 yds ---- wow...1/2 yd per carry!

 

J. Charles rushed to the right for 1 yard gain

J. Charles rushed to the right for 3 yard LOSS

J. Charles rushed up the middle for no gain

J. Charles rushed to the left for 2 yard gain

J. Charles rushed to the right for 1 yard gain

J. Charles rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

J. Charles rushed to the right for 1 yard LOSS

J. Charles rushed to the left for 2 yard gain

 

Haley = Genius

 

Obviously I jest, but your argument is silly.

[cbfalcon 825]

 

Charles: 25 touches for 238 yards

Jones: 20 touches for 82 yards.

 

[jocstrap 8]

 

Charles: 25 touches for 238 yards

Jones: 20 touches for 82 yards.

 

 

 

so you're saying Charles is greater than Jones

[cbfalcon 825]

so you're saying Charles is greater than Jones

 

Nope. I'm just updating the stats. You decide whose better.

 

Per game averages now:

Charles: 16 touches, 122 yards per game

Jones: 17 touches, 79 yards per game.

[jocstrap 8]

Nope. I'm just updating the stats. You decide whose better.

 

Per game averages now:

Charles: 16 touches, 122 yards per game

Jones: 17 touches, 79 yards per game.

 

 

Oh, I know who's better. Maybe coach dumbazzs is trying to keep Charles fresh for the playoff run. He would be on pace for 2k yards this season if he was given a freakin' chance.

[thePRO 78]

I started MJD and Gore over Charles and Charles finally has another breakout game. But next week I'm forced to start Charles and Haley will probably give him 10 touches to TJs 20 or something stupid. (My luck!)

 

But coach is smart. He's saving Charles for the end season run. We all know Charles is the more talented back and a better runner. But TJ does everything else better, blocking, getting the tough yard, not making any boneheaded mistakes.....

 

Here's to another 20 touches 150 yds and a TD next week!