why wont obama show his birth certificate

[Recliner Pilot 61]

If you look at the two forms one thing comes to mind. Obama's looks unusually modern. The other is obviously done on a typewriter. Letters are at different heights, different ink densities, etc...........

 

Obama's looks like it came off an inkjet printer. Do we have another Dan Rather forgery here?

 

Also, look at the first form. It was redacted by hand with a marker.

 

The second form has the certificate number redacted. That looks computer generated, not even close to a marker.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

Count me in the very small % of people who believe that the long form shows cack size. And since he's half white....

[NewbieJr 541]

Do you know that the Republican Governor of hawaii said the short form was legit. This is the same woman who was stumping for McCain. If you lived in hawaii and needed a copy of your birth certificate for a driver's license or a passport, you would be issued what Obama has already shown as proof of birth. So, during the original birther controversy, the campaign finally released the "short form", to shut the nut jobs up. What happened? It stirred a hornets nest of whackos who said it was a forgery. why would he release anything else?

 

There was also his birth announcement in the Honululu newspaper. I guess they just figured he would be President so they called the newspaper from kenya so that they could one day say he was an American citizen.

ROFL. This conspiracy runs deep! And has been planned for decades!

[NewbieJr 541]

Also, look at the first form. It was redacted by hand with a marker.

 

The second form has the certificate number redacted. That looks computer generated, not even close to a marker.

Imagine the details you'd discovered if you gave a rat's ass about this subject. Bwahahaha. Another lie. Par for the course.

[IMMensaMind 462]

Do you know that the Republican Governor of hawaii said the short form was legit. This is the same woman who was stumping for McCain. If you lived in hawaii and needed a copy of your birth certificate for a driver's license or a passport, you would be issued what Obama has already shown as proof of birth. So, during the original birther controversy, the campaign finally released the "short form", to shut the nut jobs up. What happened? It stirred a hornets nest of whackos who said it was a forgery. why would he release anything else?

 

There was also his birth announcement in the Honululu newspaper. I guess they just figured he would be President so they called the newspaper from kenya so that they could one day say he was an American citizen.

 

You keep regurgitating the same tired and misleading snippets. The Republican Governor of Hawaii has said that short forms are legit, because Hawaii does use short forms. That does not mean that they contain all the necessary information to establish candidacy eligibility, nor do they contain all the information that this supposed "most transparent administration in US history" is supposed to provide its interested public - or do you think that their 'transparency' is reserved only for those people and groups with whom they agree?

 

The "original birther controversy" was catalyzed due to the the lack of information on the Hawaiian short form, and the undestanding that Hawaii played fast and loose with its certificate issuance policy (giving certificates to children not born on the islands). Hawaii is and was an odd duck when it came to their issuance policies.

 

Lastly: a birth announcement in a Honululu paper doesn't address a single thing about where the baby was born. It just announces that a certificate was issued for a new child that is considered Hawaiian under their fast and loose issuance policies at the time.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Imagine the details you'd discovered if you gave a rat's ass about this subject. Bwahahaha. Another lie. Par for the course.

 

Hooked you.

 

I'm entertained, how 'bout you Bubbles? :overhead: :overhead:

[NewbieJr 541]

Hooked you.

 

I'm entertained, how 'bout you Bubbles? :overhead: :overhead:

Oh for sure!! The birthers have entertained me since the first time I ever heard the theory. It's like watching the Special Olymics. Except funnier.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Oh for sure!! The birthers have entertained me since the first time I ever heard the theory. It's like watching the Special Olymics. Except funnier.

 

Only thing funnier is when you try to convince us how awesome your life is. :banana:

[NewbieJr 541]

Only thing funnier is when you try to convince us how awesome your life is. :banana:

I've been totally honest about my life and how I feel about things.

 

How about you?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I've been totally honest about my life

:shocking:

 

 

I guess all the lies in my sig you foisted upon us don't count.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

If you look at the two forms one thing comes to mind. Obama's looks unusually modern. The other is obviously done on a typewriter. Letters are at different heights, different ink densities, etc...........

 

Obama's looks like it came off an inkjet printer. Do we have another Dan Rather forgery here?

 

 

Just from my memory of the story, the Obama camp requested a birth certificate in 2007-08 due to this story coming up. Hawaiin records then print a new one and notorize it, send it to Obama camp.

 

So it should look like it came from an inkjet printer.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Just from my memory of the story, the Obama camp requested a birth certificate in 2007-08 due to this story coming up. Hawaiin records then print a new one and notorize it, send it to Obama camp.

 

So it should look like it came from an inkjet printer.

 

So all the original info was entered into a computer and stored there since 1961.

 

Makes sense.

[NewbieJr 541]

:shocking:

 

 

I guess all the lies in my sig you foisted upon us don't count.

Please read Medstudent's sig. MKaythanks

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Please read Medstudent's sig. MKaythanks

 

What does that have to do with your lie here today that you have been totally honest about your life? We can throw that one on top of the mounting heap of Newbie lies you have been busted on.

 

Nice try at deflection.

[DankNuggs 305]

I didn't see Obama's long form but I have seen other Hawaiian long forms.

Here is an actual Hawaiian birth certificate from 1963 (the same era as Obama's birth), which while redacted includes detailed information documenting a birth, including the name of the birth hospital and the attending physician. Beneath it is the short-form "Certification of Live Birth" offered by President Obama as proof of his Hawaiian birth. It is possible to have been born outside of Hawaii and still obtain the latter form, but not the former:

Read more: What's the difference? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=101483#ixzz1I0V4hOdN

[surferskin 31]

So all the original info was entered into a computer and stored there since 1961.

 

Makes sense.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

What does that have to do with your lie here today that you have been totally honest about your life? We can throw that one on top of the mounting heap of Newbie lies you have been busted on.

 

Nice try at deflection.

Bwahahaha. Says the tool who shares absolutely NOTHING about his life. You're a focking clown. All anyone knows about you is that you worship Fox News and the Cowboys. That's it. Everyone here knows everything there is about me. I'm an open book. You're an ugly failure who's afraid to reveal anything. Oh, and a lying scumbag welching ###### to boot. You lose.

 

Winning!

[DankNuggs 305]

You keep regurgitating the same tired and misleading snippets. The Republican Governor of Hawaii has said that short forms are legit, because Hawaii does use short forms. That does not mean that they contain all the necessary information to establish candidacy eligibility, nor do they contain all the information that this supposed "most transparent administration in US history" is supposed to provide its interested public - or do you think that their 'transparency' is reserved only for those people and groups with whom they agree?

 

The "original birther controversy" was catalyzed due to the the lack of information on the Hawaiian short form, and the undestanding that Hawaii played fast and loose with its certificate issuance policy (giving certificates to children not born on the islands). Hawaii is and was an odd duck when it came to their issuance policies.

 

Lastly: a birth announcement in a Honululu paper doesn't address a single thing about where the baby was born. It just announces that a certificate was issued for a new child that is considered Hawaiian under their fast and loose issuance policies at the time.

Nicely said... Liberals are taught that logic based questioning makes you a retard... The smart liberals just blob into little thug factions and demand stuff.

[DankNuggs 305]

Do you know that the Republican Governor of hawaii said the short form was legit. This is the same woman who was stumping for McCain. If you lived in hawaii and needed a copy of your birth certificate for a driver's license or a passport, you would be issued what Obama has already shown as proof of birth. So, during the original birther controversy, the campaign finally released the "short form", to shut the nut jobs up. What happened? It stirred a hornets nest of whackos who said it was a forgery. why would he release anything else?

 

There was also his birth announcement in the Honululu newspaper. I guess they just figured he would be President so they called the newspaper from kenya so that they could one day say he was an American citizen.

All that money spend on a med degree and you missed 5th grade civic...

 

 

Requirements of POTUS are more stringent that requirements to get a licence or passport.. Thats the whole strawman... We know the avg schmuck gets a shortform for passports...etc... and while thats good enough for the scmuck, that doesn't mean they are qualified to be POTUS

[NewbieJr 541]

All that money spend on a med degree and you missed 5th grade civic...

 

 

Requirements of POTUS are more stringent that requirements to get a licence or passport.. Thats the whole strawman... We know the avg schmuck gets a shortform for passports...etc... and while thats good enough for the scmuck, that doesn't mean they are qualified to be POTUS

I thought he already became President. Who enforces these rules when you decide you want to run?

[DankNuggs 305]

I thought he already became President. Who enforces these rules when you decide you want to run?

Who's on first? Agreed that this issue should have been meted out LONG before an election...

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Bwahahaha. Says the tool who shares absolutely NOTHING about his life. You're a focking clown. All anyone knows about you is that you worship Fox News and the Cowboys. That's it. Everyone here knows everything there is about me. I'm an open book. You're an ugly failure who's afraid to reveal anything. Oh, and a lying scumbag welching ###### to boot. You lose.

 

Winning!

 

Deflection, Round 2!

 

Problem with you is that "everything there is to know" about you changes from one week to the next, Bubbles.

[parrot 789]

So all the original info was entered into a computer and stored there since 1961.

 

Makes sense.

 

What makes you think it was entered into a computer in 1961?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

What makes you think it was entered into a computer in 1961?

 

 

Nothing.

[parrot 789]

Here is an actual Hawaiian birth certificate from 1963 (the same era as Obama's birth), which while redacted includes detailed information documenting a birth, including the name of the birth hospital and the attending physician. Beneath it is the short-form "Certification of Live Birth" offered by President Obama as proof of his Hawaiian birth. It is possible to have been born outside of Hawaii and still obtain the latter form, but not the former:

Read more: What's the difference? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=101483#ixzz1I0V4hOdN

 

You can obtain it, but it wouldn't give the place of birth as 'Honolulu'.

[NewbieJr 541]

You can obtain it, but it wouldn't give the place of birth as 'Honolulu'.

Don't try to reason with the birthers. They are retarded. They refuse to hear anything unless it supports their conspiracy theory. Total whack jobs.

[parrot 789]

Don't try to reason with the birthers. They are retarded. They refuse to hear anything unless it supports their conspiracy theory. Total whack jobs.

 

I know. I'm bored out of my skull. I'm even challenging RP when he's flat out admitted he's just trolling.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

I know. I'm bored out of my skull. I'm even challenging RP when he's flat out admitted he's just trolling.

 

http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/coldwater-fly-fishing/43764-brown-trout-pics-11.html

 

Check out that 25", 7lb brown that my coworker landed on the lower gallatin last weekend. It was on a side channel in a beaver pond. I managed to catch a 3lb rainbow, but I didnt even want my picture with it after he landed that.

 

The picture does not do it justice, but he is getting it mounted, second biggest trout I have ever seen.

[parrot 789]

http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/coldwater-fly-fishing/43764-brown-trout-pics-11.html

 

Check out that 25", 7lb brown that my coworker landed on the lower gallatin last weekend. It was on a side channel in a beaver pond. I managed to catch a 3lb rainbow, but I didnt even want my picture with it after he landed that.

 

The picture does not do it justice, but he is getting it mounted, second biggest trout I have ever seen.

 

Nice. Never have fished the Gallatin. Nymphs I assume?

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

Nice. Never have fished the Gallatin. Nymphs I assume?

We were stripping streamers. There were midges hatching like crazy, but I didn't see a fish rise all day.

 

The very lower gallatin by manhattan has some giant fish, but a good day is catching 2-3. It is not like the clarks fork where you can catch double digit fish.

[drobeski 3,061]

We were stripping streamers. There were midges hatching like crazy, but I didn't see a fish rise all day.

 

The very lower gallatin by manhattan has some giant fish, but a good day is catching 2-3. It is not like the clarks fork where you can catch double digit fish.

Do you have the long form birth certificate of that fish ?

[parrot 789]

We were stripping streamers. There were midges hatching like crazy, but I didn't see a fish rise all day.

 

The very lower gallatin by manhattan has some giant fish, but a good day is catching 2-3. It is not like the clarks fork where you can catch double digit fish.

 

I probably won't throw out a line until May or June. I'm too big a puss to go out this time of year.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Whats up with all that whiteout on the short form anyway?

[NewbieJr 541]

Whats up with all that whiteout on the short form anyway?

That's the part that lists Osama Bin Laden as his father, duh.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

I probably won't throw out a line until May or June. I'm too big a puss to go out this time of year.

Next weekend I am either going to head to hauser reservoir in helena, or I am going to float either the lower madison or the missouri headwaters.

 

Depends whether the people I go with want to catch pike, walleye, or trout.

 

This is one of the better times of year for fishing. The warming water triggers the fish to feed.

[parrot 789]

This is one of the better times of year for fishing. The warming water triggers the fish to feed.

 

I know, that's what makes my pussiness so sad. I hit Rock Creek this time of year with a buddy a couple years ago and killed them with a Prince/San Juan worm setup. One of the best days I've ever had. Haven't been back.

 

Good luck on your outing. I would you might be squeezing a few more days at Bridger.

[IMMensaMind 462]

You can obtain it, but it wouldn't give the place of birth as 'Honolulu'.

 

Can you quantify whether that was true in Hawaii in the 1960's? My understanding is that that is not true.

[parrot 789]

Can you quantify whether that was true in Hawaii in the 1960's? My understanding is that that is not true.

 

No, I'm sorry, this is a fly fishing thread now.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know that I can 'quantify' it, I'm just taking this lady's word for it...

 

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

 

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

 

It sounds to me like she is referring to past tense.

[Voltaire 5,491]

This is all so frustrating.

 

As it stands now, I vote in alliance with welfare leaches, unproductive turds, and people that encourage discrimitation against white people. This sucks and I want to switch.

 

The thing is, if ever I do switch back over, the thought that I'll be alliance with these humanoid birthers/and other assorted fringe right fruits and nuts (evilgelicals, chickenhawks) makes my stomach turn just as much.

 

With the Dems, the stoopid liberals let the smart liberals run the show and defer to them because the smart liberals care take care of the stoopid liberals. And that's a huge plus even though they are delusional, at least they are rational. In the GOP, the stoopid conservatives are a powerful force. They don't listen to/trust to the smart conservatives because deep down, they have been able to figure out that the smart conservatives are only in it for themselves and really don't give a fock about the useful idiot stoopid conservatives. I like the smart conservatives but I don't know how many there are left.

 

Then there's the next layer... the mouthbreathers conservatives make asses of themselves much worse and are more embarrassing than the mouthbreather liberals but at least they are productive members of society. The mouthbreather liberals are just totally beyond useless.

 

So -because I hate everyone- the voting decision ultimately becomes which group disgusts me least. And I'm having a hard time deciding which one that is at present.

[drobeski 3,061]

This is all so frustrating.

 

As it stands now, I vote in alliance with welfare leaches, unproductive turds, and people that encourage discrimitation against white people. This sucks and I want to switch.

 

The thing is, if ever I do switch back over, the thought that I'll be alliance with these humanoid birthers/and other assorted fringe right fruits and nuts (evilgelicals, chickenhawks) makes my stomach turn just as much.

 

With the Dems, the stoopid liberals let the smart liberals run the show and defer to them because the smart liberals care take care of the stoopid liberals. And that's a huge plus even though they are delusional, at least they are rational. In the GOP, the stoopid conservatives are a powerful force. They don't listen to/trust to the smart conservatives because deep down, they have been able to figure out that the smart conservatives are only in it for themselves and really don't give a fock about the useful idiot stoopid conservatives. I like the smart conservatives but I don't know how many there are left.

 

Then there's the next layer... the mouthbreathers conservatives make asses of themselves much worse and are more embarrassing than the mouthbreather liberals but at least they are productive members of society. The mouthbreather liberals are just totally beyond useless.

 

So -because I hate everyone- the voting decision ultimately becomes which group disgusts me least. And I'm having a hard time deciding which one that is at present.

do you have a liberal or conservative running your country of china ?