edjr 6,898 Posted January 3, 2012 http://news.yahoo.com/world-first-hybrid-shark-found-off-australia-070347608.html Scientists said on Tuesday that they had discovered the world's first hybrid sharks in Australian waters, a potential sign the predators were adapting to cope with climate change. The mating of the local Australian black-tip shark with its global counterpart, the common black-tip, was an unprecedented discovery with implications for the entire shark world, said lead researcher Jess Morgan. "It's very surprising because no one's ever seen shark hybrids before, this is not a common occurrence by any stretch of the imagination," Morgan, from the University of Queensland, told AFP. "This is evolution in action." Colin Simpfendorfer, a partner in Morgan's research from James Cook University, said initial studies suggested the hybrid species was relatively robust, with a number of generations discovered across 57 specimens. The find was made during cataloguing work off Australia's east coast when Morgan said genetic testing showed certain sharks to be one species when physically they looked to be another. The Australian black-tip is slightly smaller than its common cousin and can only live in tropical waters, but its hybrid offspring have been found 2,000 kilometres down the coast, in cooler seas. It means the Australian black-tip could be adapting to ensure its survival as sea temperatures change because of global warming. "If it hybridises with the common species it can effectively shift its range further south into cooler waters, so the effect of this hybridising is a range expansion," Morgan said. "It's enabled a species restricted to the tropics to move into temperate waters." Climate change and human fishing are some of the potential triggers being investigated by the team, with further genetic mapping also planned to examine whether it was an ancient process just discovered or a more recent phenomenon. If the hybrid was found to be stronger than its parent species -- a literal survival of the fittest -- Simpfendorfer said it may eventually outlast its so-called pure-bred predecessors. "We don't know whether that's the case here, but certainly we know that they are viable, they reproduce and that there are multiple generations of hybrids now that we can see from the genetic roadmap that we've generated from these animals," he said. "Certainly it appears that they are fairly fit individuals." The hybrids were extraorindarily abundant, accounting for up to 20 percent of black-tip populations in some areas, but Morgan said that didn't appear to be at the expense of their single-breed parents, adding to the mystery. Simpfendorfer said the study, published late last month in Conservation Genetics, could challenge traditional ideas of how sharks had and were continuing to evolve. "We thought we understood how species of sharks have separated, but what this is telling us is that in reality we probably don't fully understand the mechanisms that keep species of shark separate," he said. "And in fact, this may be happening in more species than these two." If you do not believe in evolution. Sharks really have come a long way in 2012 years, haven't they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted January 3, 2012 The cool thing about evolution is that even if people don't believe it, it's still true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted January 3, 2012 There aren't really people who still don't believe in evolution, are there? Hasn't there been scientific proof since, like..forever? God/Jesus people, here's a tip to make you seem brighter..Say you believe in evolution but God is responsible for it. Win/win. You can stay true to your beliefs, yet not seem like you're blind to something that is obviously fact. You're welcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted January 3, 2012 There aren't really people who still don't believe in evolution, are there? Hasn't there been scientific proof since, like..forever? God/Jesus people, here's a tip to make you seem brighter..Say you believe in evolution but God is responsible for it. Win/win. You can stay true to your beliefs, yet not seem like you're blind to something that is obviously fact. You're welcome. it's sad how many people there really are that do not believe in Evolution. it starts with their hero George W Bush and just rolls on down to the dumber. http://www.gallup.com/poll/114544/Darwin-Birthday-Believe-Evolution.aspx From 2009 On Darwin’s Birthday, Only 4 in 10 Believe in Evolution PRINCETON, NJ -- On the eve of the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, a new Gallup Poll shows that only 39% of Americans say they "believe in the theory of evolution," while a quarter say they do not believe in the theory, and another 36% don't have an opinion either way. These attitudes are strongly related to education and, to an even greater degree, religiosity. There is a strong relationship between education and belief in Darwin's theory, as might be expected, ranging from 21% of those with high-school educations or less to 74% of those with postgraduate degrees. Those with high-school educations or less are much more likely to have no opinion than are those who have more formal education. Still, among those with high-school educations or less who have an opinion on Darwin's theory, more say they do not believe in evolution than say they believe in it. For all other groups, and in particular those who have at least a college degree, belief is significantly higher than nonbelief. Darwin's theory has been at the forefront of religious debate since he published On the Origin of Species 150 years ago. Even to this day, highly religious individuals claim that the theory of evolution contradicts the story of creation as outlined in the book of Genesis in the Bible. Thus, it comes as no surprise to find that there is a strong relationship between church attendance and belief in evolution in the current data. Those who attend church most often are the least likely to say they believe in evolution. Previous Gallup research shows that the rate of church attendance is fairly constant across educational groups, suggesting that this relationship is not owing to an underlying educational difference but instead reflects a direct influence of religious beliefs on belief in evolution. Younger Americans, who are less likely to be religious than those who are older, are also more likely to believe in evolution. Still, just about half of those aged 18 to 34 say they believe in evolution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 3, 2012 it's sad how many people there really are that do not believe in Evolution. it starts with their hero George W Bush and just rolls on down to the dumber. Who doesn't believe in evolution? Where do you live? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,952 Posted January 3, 2012 if you don't believe in God, you are in fear. or at least I heard that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 3, 2012 if you don't believe in God, you are in fear. or at least I heard that. God created evolution. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 3, 2012 Patrick Ewing was enough proof for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted January 3, 2012 Patrick Ewing was enough proof for me. And Michelle Obama just dotted the i's and crossed the t's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,952 Posted January 3, 2012 God created evolution. HTH already got that heads up from noob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,491 Posted January 3, 2012 Baaa! Baaa! The sheeple will just throw it on top of the mountain of ignored, disregarded evidence. They only listen to things their pastor pulls out of his ass. Facts don't interest them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 3, 2012 And Michelle Obama just dotted the i's and crossed the t's Racist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted January 3, 2012 Racist It's not like Ewing could pass for a Van Patten kid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,435 Posted January 3, 2012 it's sad how many people there really are that do not believe in Evolution. it starts with their hero George W Bush and just rolls on down to the dumber. http://www.gallup.co...-Evolution.aspx From 2009 I spent 5 hours trying to catch a sailfish over the holidays and got nothing...I should of used you to bait the lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 3, 2012 Baaa! Baaa! The sheeple will just throw it on top of the mountain of ignored, disregarded evidence. They only listen to things their pastor pulls out of his ass. Facts don't interest them. What do Obama supporters have to do with it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted January 3, 2012 Baaa! Baaa! The sheeple will just throw it on top of the mountain of ignored, disregarded evidence. They only listen to things their pastor pulls out of his ass. Facts don't interest them. Evidence? What is that you speak of? The same people who get selected to be on a jury and they "know" if the person was guilty or not. They don't need no stinkin' evidence! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 3, 2012 Baaa! Baaa! The sheeple will just throw it on top of the mountain of ignored, disregarded evidence. They only listen to things their pastor pulls out of his ass. Facts don't interest them. Ignorance is bliss! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted January 3, 2012 Science lies, people dies. Science is rarely right about anything, and it warms my cockles to know that the God particle has disproven all theories of physics. Back to the drawing board, you dopes. Evolution? Well, it can't be proven, since it takes billions of years or careful observation to chronicle it. So, we find a three eyed fish in Lake Springfield right near the nuclear power plant, and all of the sudden it's evolution? Bullfockingsh!t. Repent, ye little of brian matter. It's just another publicity stunt by SyFy network's Saturday programming of Sharktopuss and Giant Snake vs Rock Monster starring Debbie Gibson and Lou Diamond Phillips. Or some such nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,096 Posted January 3, 2012 Evidence? What is that you speak of? The same people who get selected to be on a jury and they "know" if the person was guilty or not. They don't need no stinkin' evidence! If he's black or messican. No, you don't need any stinkin' evidence. Guilty! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted January 3, 2012 Science lies, people dies. Science is rarely right about anything, and it warms my cockles to know that the God particle has disproven all theories of physics. Back to the drawing board, you dopes. Evolution? Well, it can't be proven, since it takes billions of years or careful observation to chronicle it. So, we find a three eyed fish in Lake Springfield right near the nuclear power plant, and all of the sudden it's evolution? Bullfockingsh!t. Repent, ye little of brian matter. It's just another publicity stunt by SyFy network's Saturday programming of Sharktopuss and Giant Snake vs Rock Monster starring Debbie Gibson and Lou Diamond Phillips. Or some such nonsense. How did I know that you'd fall on the dumb side of this argument, too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,174 Posted January 3, 2012 Science lies, people dies. Science is rarely right about anything, and it warms my cockles to know that the God particle has disproven all theories of physics. Back to the drawing board, you dopes. Evolution? Well, it can't be proven, since it takes billions of years or careful observation to chronicle it. So, we find a three eyed fish in Lake Springfield right near the nuclear power plant, and all of the sudden it's evolution? Bullfockingsh!t. Repent, ye little of brian matter. It's just another publicity stunt by SyFy network's Saturday programming of Sharktopuss and Giant Snake vs Rock Monster starring Debbie Gibson and Lou Diamond Phillips. Or some such nonsense. In Phillybears own little way he nails it again. I haven't ruled anything out. Evolution, Religion, Science, Voodoo. Our small time as a people, on this planet, that is ecompassed in a Universe of which there might be other Universes. I mean, our (human race) little pee brains probably can't even comprehend what all has been and will be entailed in so called "Life". Maybe evolution is the byproduct or happenstance of some divine being (a God) that we as humans can't even begin to understand. A million years might be a minute drop in the bucket of the overall time clock. What is time really btw? Maybe it's all happenstance of some cosmic big bang. Science changes course within our own lifetimes, imagine how it may backtrack over a hundred generations. Or maybe it's all something that we haven't thought about or discovered yet (or never will as we don't have the capacity too). I haven't ruled anything out. So since I don't have a focking clue, I don't sit back and tell others what are the correct answers. I'm simply not that conceited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Rusty 19 Posted January 3, 2012 If evolution does exist,...then that too is GOD's creation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 3, 2012 So since I don't have a focking clue, I don't sit back and tell others what are the correct answers. I'm simply not that conceited. You're not seriously doubting the knowledge of edjr and newbie are you ? You do know they are djs right ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted January 3, 2012 This thread is funny. They found a new fish and say it has evolved because of global warming. Considering "global warming" has only been going on for decades, that's some fast evolving that there fish is doing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted January 3, 2012 You're not seriously doubting the knowledge of edjr and newbie are you ? You do know they are djs right ? Yes. Because Edjr and I are the ones who have done all the research and proved evolution exists a million times already. Not all the scientists who have more intelligence in their ball sack then you have in your entire wire-nut twisting body. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Rusty 19 Posted January 3, 2012 If Global Warming does exist,....then that too is Al Gores Creation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted January 3, 2012 I have never had any problem with evolution. I've watched dogs evolve in the 14 years I owned them from thick haired dogs that stayed outside,to much thinner hair after they moved inside for a few years. It all makes perfect sense. I don't seethe problem. God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth evolves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 3, 2012 Yes. Because Edjr and I are the ones who have done all the research and proved evolution exists a million times already. Not all the scientists who have more intelligence in their ball sack then you have in your entire wire-nut twisting body. They didn't teach English at dj school ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted January 3, 2012 Yes. Because Edjr and I are the ones who have done all the research and proved evolution exists a million times already. Not all the scientists who have more intelligence in their ball sack then you have in your entire wire-nut twisting body. Even though scientists can not provide solid evidence in a theory, you blindly believe ever word that they say; you put faith into a shaman scam artist trying to grab more funding for his/her cockamamie schemes. You are a scientologist. Well, you've had a busy morning of finger painting and eating buttons, haven't you sweetie? Go suck face with John Traballta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted January 3, 2012 Even though scientists can not provide solid evidence in a theory, you blindly believe ever word that they say; you put faith into a shaman scam artist trying to grab more funding for his/her cockamamie schemes. You are a scientologist. Well, you've had a busy morning of finger painting and eating buttons, haven't you sweetie? Go suck face with John Traballta. Hey genius, your gout medication? Science. Your Diabetes medication? Science. Nice to see you only disapprove of science when it doesn't fit your antiquated agendas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted January 3, 2012 Hey genius, your gout medication? Science. Your Diabetes medication? Science. Nice to see you only disapprove of science when it doesn't fit your antiquated agendas. I thought random people walked through the rain forest and rubbed whatever they found on their ailments and when they felt better, a medication was found? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted January 3, 2012 Hey genius, your gout medication? Science. Your Diabetes medication? Science. Nice to see you only disapprove of science when it doesn't fit your antiquated agendas. My medication is not science. It's just a magic potion, you dolt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted January 3, 2012 I thought random people walked through the rain forest and rubbed whatever they found on their ailments and when they felt better, a medication was found? Nope. Just a classic case of an idiot like phillybear talking out of his ass again. He's anti-science and probably benefits from it more than anyone else on this board. What a focking jackass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted January 3, 2012 Nope. Just a classic case of an idiot like phillybear talking out of his ass again. He's anti-science and probably benefits from it more than anyone else on this board. What a focking jackass. Science is a crutch for many weak people; many embrace science for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength to feed their feeble, primative, underdeveloped minds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted January 3, 2012 Hey Ed and Newbie, what scientific method is this: "Hey, Scientists found a new fish....ergo, God doesn't exist" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted January 3, 2012 If science is so great, why are there SEVEN movies showing how apes take over the planet? For fock's sake. Monkeys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted January 3, 2012 Hey Ed and Newbie, what scientific method is this: "Hey, Scientists found a new fish....ergo, God doesn't exist" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted January 3, 2012 Gotta love arrogant scientists/enviro-activists that obviously believe that shark 'evolution' is caused by human c02 pollution... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted January 3, 2012 Oh......that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted January 3, 2012 Hey genius, your gout medication? Science. Your Diabetes medication? Science. Nice to see you only disapprove of science when it doesn't fit your antiquated agendas. Science will always be limited to the fact its observations have to be arms length away... The void left behind is your amalgam of scientific theory/spirituality... They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive notions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites