Woman Punched in Front of Her Kids by Husband

[cyclone24 1,914]

Then stop posting.

 

I don't disagree that the dude is a lunatic and entirely wrong for what he did. I just hold everyone accountable for their poor behavior, including the woman, in that scenario - while you just ignore it.

 

It's what gives them the stones to punch and shove someone twice their size, moron. A woman should never hit a man, ever, either. A woman should never hit a man for any reason.

 

Apparently you disagree with that mindset and are calling me asinine? Laughable.

 

 

Holding someone accountable is not the same as justifying.

 

I pretty clearly said i didnt excuse her behavior....but short of throwing knives or putting him in life danger......you dont hit.

 

She hit him or a woman hits you? Give me a break. Any man with any actual size isnt really worried about a woman trying to beat him up or punching him. THATS laughable. And yes...thats part of the deal of being a man....you walk away.

 

But by all means...go ahead and strike them back...see which one gets arrested more often than not.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

If you've been paying attention, the same can't be said of the woman... and from my perspective, some have been bending over backwards to make claims that the man initiated it here, which is patently false by simple virtue of her coming into the room from elsewhere and starting sh!t.

 

 

So by coming into the room, and saying anything at all means that she started it?

[jerryskids 6,838]

My wife is pretty small (5'2, 120, 30D). She's all muscle though, except the boobs. Also a black belt. If she starts to hit you, you might want to think about hitting her back. Just sayin'.

[cyclone24 1,914]

My wife is pretty small (5'2, 120, 30D). She's all muscle though, except the boobs. Also a black belt. If she starts to hit you, you might want to think about hitting her back. Just sayin'.

 

 

Hah i hear ya....im a purple belt and just havent gone back to get my black. But yeah....you should run in that case.

[southcarolina 166]

"Im not saying that women never deserve to be punched in the face, or that sometimes it isnt a necessary level of response" --Soutcarolina

 

 

Wow......how the fock did this even get to two pages? The ONLY consensus on here should be....You dont hit wimmen folk....ever.

 

I wish the dbags who hit women had to wear a certain colored hat at all times....and it gave society free reign to light you up for it if they wanted to. There is nothing more poosay than a guy who hits a girl, actually kinda p!sses me off thinking about it.

 

I guess im getting dragged back in.....

 

 

Does "ever" include if the woman is pointing a gun or knife at you?Or your family? Or just out in a crowd of innocent bystanders? What if she was running away with your baby? What if she was a professional bodybuilder and had you cornered? What if you got mugged by a group of 10 women, and they were beating you into unconsciousness ? Thats all i was saying. 99% of the time a man should be able to extract himself from a confrontation with a woman without resorting to violence, but situations arise that warrant a different response than retreat. Life isnt about absolutes. So saying you should NEVER hit a woman in ANY situation is just living in a fairy tale.

 

 

Oh and F*ck off for just assuming im some sort of redneck wifebeater. Ive raised my voice to my wife twice since i met her almost 20 years ago. Im about as pacifist as they come. But if a woman had a knife and was threatening my kids, i wouldnt hesitate to punch her right in the mouth. And again if i felt it necessary.

[cyclone24 1,914]

I guess im getting dragged back in.....

 

 

Does "ever" include if the woman is pointing a gun or knife at you?Or your family? Or just out in a crowd of innocent bystanders? What if she was running away with your baby? What if she was a professional bodybuilder and had you cornered? What if you got mugged by a group of 10 women, and they were beating you into unconsciousness ? Thats all i was saying. 99% of the time a man should be able to extract himself from a confrontation with a woman without resorting to violence, but situations arise that warrant a different response than retreat. Life isnt about absolutes. So saying you should NEVER hit a woman in ANY situation is just living in a fairy tale.

 

 

Oh and F*ck off for just assuming im some sort of redneck wifebeater. Ive raised my voice to my wife twice since i met her almost 20 years ago. Im about as pacifist as they come. But if a woman had a knife and was threatening my kids, i wouldnt hesitate to punch her right in the mouth. And again if i felt it necessary.

 

 

 

And thats fine. I apologize if thats not what you meant....just didnt read that way. Of course if you were actually in life danger that would make sense.....but cmon....how often does THAT actually happen?

 

We're kinda basing it off the video which is a somewhat "normal" in a fight with a couple.......not armed gun wielding, child stealing crazed woman or a roving gang of women. Thats a little extreme.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Wow, I can't believe someone is actually having to defend the position that it's not OK to hit women. I thought this point was generally accepted throughout most of society?

[parrot 789]

Has it been discussed just what kind of "Playstation" was being referred to? I mean if it's a Playstation or a PS2, the guy is out of line, but you don't fock with a man's PS3.

[Phurfur 70]

Wow, I can't believe someone is actually having to defend the position that it's not OK to hit women. I thought this point was generally accepted throughout most of society?

 

 

We are arguing that it is not right to hit ANYBODY, that includes women. HTH

 

But if you hit someone expect to be hit back.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

Wow, I can't believe someone is actually having to defend the position that it's not OK to hit women. I thought this point was generally accepted throughout most of society?

 

 

People seem to think that if women want to be treated equally, it shouldn't be just paychecks and jobs and stuff...it should also be that when a woman hits a guy, he should hit her back. 'Cause that's what guys do, an eye for an eye, or whatever.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Yes... this is a common accusation that is ALMOST ALWAYS directed at someone who would dare suggest that a woman be held accountable for her actions.

 

:highfive:

 

Way to step up, penult. I'm frankly shocked that it took as long as it did for someone to pull the misogynist card.

 

Here's another rule I live by... if you're going to take a swing at somebody, expect to be punched back.

I called you that because of your penchant for negative posts targeting women - mainly this thread and the divorce thread. I disagree with your interpretation of the scene, as do a few others.

 

As far as the "expect to be punched back" schtick, you might have general issues with violence as well. I do not think it is justifiable to hit anyone, man or woman, unless your wellbeing or that of your loved ones is threatened. Anger alone doesn't cut it. Conversely, if a woman poses a true threat and you have no other option, I think violence is justifiable in self-defense. Her feeble slaps do not pose any danger IMO.

[penultimatestraw 473]

It's just never ok to hit anybody unless you are defending yourself.

Yes. Against a credible threat.

[penultimatestraw 473]

My wife is pretty small (5'2, 120, 30D). She's all muscle though, except the boobs. Also a black belt. If she starts to hit you, you might want to think about hitting her back. Just sayin'.

Blackbelts are poosays. I beat up anybody that crosses me, because that is what tough guys do. Tell your wife.

[jerryskids 6,838]

Blackbelts are poosays. I beat up anybody that crosses me, because that is what tough guys do. Tell your wife.

I just told her; she is on her way to the airport and heading to Hawaii. When she gets there... she'll probably just hang on the beach.

[nikki2200 4]

I'm glad my boyfriend doesn't punch me in the face every time I punch him in the arm, usually hurting my hand more than anything on him.

[cyclone24 1,914]

I'm glad my boyfriend doesn't punch me in the face every time I punch him in the arm, usually hurting my hand more than anything on him.

 

 

Agreed. Sorry but if you are really worried about damage a woman is going to do to you physically.....yes....you are a poosay.

[Mephisto 15]

So by coming into the room, and saying anything at all means that she started it?

 

 

If I come storming into a room and start a verbal confrontation with you, isn't that starting something? Or did I fock up the definition of starting something?

[Mephisto 15]

Holding someone accountable is not the same as justifying.

 

I pretty clearly said i didnt excuse her behavior....but short of throwing knives or putting him in life danger......you dont hit.

 

I agree. So where is your outrage over her assaulting him? That's my question. Or do you excuse her assault because she's "half his size"???

 

She hit him or a woman hits you? Give me a break. Any man with any actual size isnt really worried about a woman trying to beat him up or punching him. THATS laughable. And yes...thats part of the deal of being a man....you walk away.

 

Yes, it's wiser not to worry until she's plunging a knife in your chest or shotgunning you in the back while you're sleeping.

 

But by all means...go ahead and strike them back...see which one gets arrested more often than not.

 

That's the larger point here. Two grown alleged adults. With children in the room. And neither of them did the right thing from the get-go.

[Mephisto 15]

Wow, I can't believe someone is actually having to defend the position that it's not OK to hit women. I thought this point was generally accepted throughout most of society?

 

 

Who is doing that? (Watch as IGotWorms starts creating his own version of events out of thin air...)

[Mephisto 15]

And thats fine. I apologize if thats not what you meant....just didnt read that way. Of course if you were actually in life danger that would make sense.....but cmon....how often does THAT actually happen?

 

Men (who actually) report being victims of domestic violence do so nearly a million times annually involving injuries requiring medical treatment.

 

This is another greater point that the chivalrous among us and those of the mindset regarding what a 'real man' would/should/could do largely ignore. It could be one of your family members, friends, sons, etc.

[Mephisto 15]

People seem to think that if women want to be treated equally, it shouldn't be just paychecks and jobs and stuff...it should also be that when a woman hits a guy, he should hit her back. 'Cause that's what guys do, an eye for an eye, or whatever.

 

Wrong. It's if a woman decides she's going to be brave enough to lash out and assault somebody, there may be some unexpected consequences for doing so. No one in this thread has ever said nor intimated that he "should" hit her back.

 

What "should" happen is that the attacker SHOULD expect that there is a chance that he or she might get his/her ass kicked in.

 

There should also be an expectation that they will be treated equally under the law, which almost NEVER happens in situations such as these.

[Mephisto 15]

I called you that because of your penchant for negative posts targeting women - mainly this thread and the divorce thread. I disagree with your interpretation of the scene, as do a few others.

 

No, you call me out because of my penchant for holding women accountable for their actions and pointing out how the system is far easier on women than on men with all things being equal... whether it's in family court or in criminal court.

 

"Targeting" woman? You're funny. Now, I'm not only a misogynist for the expectation that women be treated equally and have equal responsibility and equal accountability... but I'm "targeting" them by having these expectations.

 

You're an idiot.

 

As far as the "expect to be punched back" schtick, you might have general issues with violence as well.

 

I have a problem with violence by commenting that if someone physically assaults someone that they need to do so with the expectation of retaliation? I would ask if you're serious, but I already know you are.

 

You're an idiot.

 

I do not think it is justifiable to hit anyone, man or woman, unless your wellbeing or that of your loved ones is threatened. Anger alone doesn't cut it. Conversely, if a woman poses a true threat and you have no other option, I think violence is justifiable in self-defense. Her feeble slaps do not pose any danger IMO.

 

I agree with you. How does that fit in your misogyny, targeter-of-women, probably with violence mindset? I mean, my position has been very clear throughout this thread, but like so many others like you, you're in such a hurry to excuse/ignore the woman's behavior in that video segment.

 

At least I have justification for considering calling you misandrist... and an idiot.

[nikki2200 4]

Is Mephisto a phillybear alias?

[Mephisto 15]

Is Mephisto a phillybear alias?

 

[BunnysBastatrds 2,459]

Whe I was in the Smokey Mountains a few years ago on vacation I saw at least five women riding in pick up trucks or eating breakfast with their husbands who gave them big black eyes. When I saw the first one I was like "holy sh!t. By the fifth, I was laughing. I don't know why. Maybe because of where I was or maybe because they were still with what looked to be the person that caused their injury.

 

Also, she needs to give him the Willy Nelson.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

If I come storming into a room and start a verbal confrontation with you, isn't that starting something? Or did I fock up the definition of starting something?

 

 

But she didn't really do that.

 

She said, "How did all this stuf get on the floor?" and walks over towards the TV, saying, "You need to just leave." She doesn't say it mean, at least in my opinion. She's not screaming or cussing at him and he's gathering stuff and the kid is helping him out.

 

It's not until she pulls out the controller for the PS that he gets pissed and kicks the TV.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

Wrong. It's if a woman decides she's going to be brave enough to lash out and assault somebody, there may be some unexpected consequences for doing so. No one in this thread has ever said nor intimated that he "should" hit her back.

 

What "should" happen is that the attacker SHOULD expect that there is a chance that he or she might get his/her ass kicked in.

 

There should also be an expectation that they will be treated equally under the law, which almost NEVER happens in situations such as these.

 

 

Do you ever think that's because biologically most men are stronger than women and can seriously hurt them? This guy is what a foot and a half taller than her? Probably a good 70 pounds or more heavier? And she should just accept the consequences that her little slap to his face resulted in a full fist punch to her face, then him grabber her wrists and dragging her around the room in front of the kids?

 

You are absolutely saying that he should have hit her back. She hit him right? So, if she wants that 'equality' that women are always b!tching about then he should have the right to hit her back, because that's what two guys fighting would do, right?

 

This couple is likely not treated equally under the law because he's bigger than her. I know it sucks, but that's just how it is right now. Doesn't he kind of have "hand" in this situation because he's bigger?

[TD Ryan2 316]

interesting... when I first watched the video, it was sickening - I have a family of my own and can't imagine a scenario like that in my house or in front of my kids.

 

I immediately thought that guy was a complete ass and wanted him locked up and beaten.

 

Then I read some of Meph's comments and Phurfur's too and they make some good points:

1. it's not OK for anyone to hit anyone, man or woman, big or small. CHECK

 

2. it' OK to defend yourself against physical attack or danger. CHECK

 

the question here really is about WHEN that ASSAULT or DANGER is at a level justifying a physical response - that's the Grey area here.

I get it, a woman threatening you gets hit - but what level does that threat have to be at? Is "I'll take your TV an Playstation" enough? or is it "I'll stab you"? or Somewhere in between?

 

 

IMO, her slaps weren't worthy of him full-on punching her - he wasn't "in danger", he wasn't "threatened" - he wanted his TV and Playstation (and that's pathetic too - 2 parents fighting over a playstation).

 

So while they're both jackasses and it's horrible for those kids - his response was way over the top - she was no threat to him, he could have easily just walked away and had he done that *maybe* he'd have a better case/claim against her:

 

- she has seized my belongings.

- she is physically and verbally confrontational

- I am concerned for myself and my children with her behavior, etc, etc

[nikki2200 4]

But she didn't really do that.

 

She said, "How did all this stuf get on the floor?" and walks over towards the TV, saying, "You need to just leave." She doesn't say it mean, at least in my opinion. She's not screaming or cussing at him and he's gathering stuff and the kid is helping him out.

 

It's not until she pulls out the controller for the PS that he gets pissed and kicks the TV.

 

That and the part where he had her backed up against the TV after he kicked it a few inches away from her and if he was really that "scared" of her, he could have just moved away.

 

He had her pinned against the TV and then punched her in the face. Only a wife beater trying to justify his actions (the good ole "she deserved it" routine) could see it any differently.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

interesting... when I first watched the video, it was sickening - I have a family of my own and can't imagine a scenario like that in my house or in front of my kids.

 

I immediately thought that guy was a complete ass and wanted him locked up and beaten.

 

Then I read some of Meph's comments and Phurfur's too and they make some good points:

1. it's not OK for anyone to hit anyone, man or woman, big or small. CHECK

 

2. it' OK to defend yourself against physical attack or danger. CHECK

 

the question here really is about WHEN that ASSAULT or DANGER is at a level justifying a physical response - that's the Grey area here.

I get it, a woman threatening you gets hit - but what level does that threat have to be at? Is "I'll take your TV an Playstation" enough? or is it "I'll stab you"? or Somewhere in between?

 

 

IMO, her slaps weren't worthy of him full-on punching her - he wasn't "in danger", he wasn't "threatened" - he wanted his TV and Playstation (and that's pathetic too - 2 parents fighting over a playstation).

 

So while they're both jackasses and it's horrible for those kids - his response was way over the top - she was no threat to him, he could have easily just walked away and had he done that *maybe* he'd have a better case/claim against her.

 

 

Playing devil's advocate here, but why isn't she a threat to him? She got physical and "started something" by entering the room and asking questions. How is she not threatening towards him?

[TD Ryan2 316]

Playing devil's advocate here, but why isn't she a threat to him? She got physical and "started something" by entering the room and asking questions. How is she not threatening towards him?

I edited my post, but...

 

define, "threat" - that's the gray area.

do you think he was "in danger", was he really going to get hurt?

 

I understand that we can all have a different interpretation here, but I don't think he was in danger- - he could have walked away and had her in a bad position (legally) for her behavior.

 

That's the question - when is the threat or danger enough to warrant such violent retalitation.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

That and the part where he had her backed up against the TV after he kicked it a few inches away from her and if he was really that "scared" of her, he could have just moved away.

 

He had her pinned against the TV and then punched her in the face. Only a wife beater trying to justify his actions (the good ole "she deserved it" routine) could see it any differently.

 

 

Exactly.

 

Aside from him punching her, he literally looms over her, puffs his chest out. He knows she's smaller and he's trying to intimidate her with his size.

 

I bet, if she tried to walk away and get out from that corner by the TV, he wouldn't have let her and would have continued to puff out and get in her face.

 

SHE felt threatened. I would to if I had a big guy looming over me like that and kicking objects next to me. I'd be scared as sh!t.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

I edited my post, but...

 

define, "threat" - that's the gray area.

do you think he was "in danger", was he really going to get hurt?

 

I understand that we can all have a different interpretation here, but I don't think he was in danger- - he could have walked away and had her in a bad position (legally) for her behavior.

 

That's the question - when is the threat or danger enough to warrant such violent retalitation.

 

 

So with your interpretation, that he wasn't in danger, do you think she was? With him kicking the TV, his body language and all of that, do you think that she felt like she was in danger when he had her backed up against the TV?

[jerryskids 6,838]

So with your interpretation, that he wasn't in danger, do you think she was? With him kicking the TV, his body language and all of that, do you think that she felt like she was in danger when he had her backed up against the TV?

 

I know you are asking TD Ryan, but my answer is: absolutely. I stated earlier that he is assaulting her by my understanding of the legal definition.

[TD Ryan2 316]

So with your interpretation, that he wasn't in danger, do you think she was? With him kicking the TV, his body language and all of that, do you think that she felt like she was in danger when he had her backed up against the TV?

again, probably not because SHE could have walked away too.

 

IMO, the physical response is acceptable only if it's the last/only resort. If you can walk away, you shouldn't be punching anyone.

 

Could she have walked away? I believe she could have. His only concern was his TV and Playstation - she chose to put herself at/near those things with him... let him take his TV and Playstation.

[TD Ryan2 316]

I know you are asking TD Ryan, but my answer is: absolutely. I stated earlier that he is assaulting her by my understanding of the legal definition.

maybe jerry - I only watched the video once and I don't really care to watch it again.

you're right, he was physically looming over her and the items - so mabe by legal definition he was threatening her.

 

But she could have diffused the situation too instead of escalating it.

 

Is it her house? Is it her TV? I don't know either and maybe that plays a role in the "legal" definitions here.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

again, probably not because SHE could have walked away too.

 

IMO, the physical response is acceptable only if it's the last/only resort. If you can walk away, you shouldn't be punching anyone.

 

Could she have walked away? I believe she could have. His only concern was his TV and Playstation - she chose to put herself at/near those things with him... let him take his TV and Playstation.

 

 

I don't know.

 

I think she might have been able to walk away from him, but I think he would have tried to block her in there, further getting in her face. I think she might have had to even push at him a little just to get him out of the way so she can move. He probably would have taken that as hostile and punched her again, too.

[OldMaid 2,130]

That and the part where he had her backed up against the TV after he kicked it a few inches away from her and if he was really that "scared" of her, he could have just moved away.

 

He had her pinned against the TV and then punched her in the face. Only a wife beater trying to justify his actions (the good ole "she deserved it" routine) could see it any differently.

IDK about that Nikki. Don't you think if this guy had a history of hitting her that maybe she would be a little bit more scared of him?

 

Before I go any further, let me state that I think violence against either side is not a good idea, but..

 

We've moved from a place where it was acceptable to "correct" your wife with violence because we made men accountable for their actions. Now we've swung so far over to the other side, that I think there is a certain type of woman, that will use this to their advantage. There are no repercussions to dissuade her from getting physical because either A. the man won't hit her back or B. she can send him to jail and/or ruin his reputation if he does.

 

I personally think it's time to quit letting women off easy and make them more accountable for their actions as well. Here in L.A. if there are signs of physical violence on both sides, they arrest both parties and I think that is a great start.

[nikki2200 4]

IDK about that Nikki. Don't you think if this guy had a history of hitting her that maybe she would be a little bit more scared of him?

 

Before I go any further, let me state that I think violence against either side is not a good idea, but..

 

We've moved from a place where it was acceptable to "correct" your wife with violence because we made men accountable for their actions. Now we've swung so far over to the other side, that I think there is a certain type of woman, that will use this to their advantage. There are no repercussions to dissuade her from getting physical because either A. the man won't hit her back or B. she can send him to jail and/or ruin his reputation if he does.

 

I personally think it's time to quit letting women off easy and make them more accountable for their actions as well. Here in L.A. if there are signs of physical violence on both sides, they arrest both parties and I think that is a great start.

 

That would be great if she came after him and then he hauled off and hit her. That didn't happen. He came at her, had her backed into a corner, had already ripped something out of her hands, and kicked the TV a few inches away from her. She thought she was defending herself because he was in her face and had already turned the situation violent. I probably would have taken a swing at him to to try to get him away from me. But I guess according to your thoughts it would be justifiable for me to end up with a broken jaw because of that.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

OldMaid is sounding like those women who defend their abuser because really, she was at fault for mouthing off and anyway you don't understand what a sweet guy he can be sometimes!!!