Woman Punched in Front of Her Kids by Husband

[JerkStore 13]

She must have vetoed a trade of his that wasn't collusion.

[mobb_deep 920]

This is what happens when you stay together for the kids. Just ask listen2me23

[IGotWorms 4,058]

She must have vetoed a trade of his that wasn't collusion.

 

[tikigods 76]

Did they find the other playstation?

 

The real audio was like this:

 

"McNair?"

 

"Pennington."

 

"McNair!"

 

"PENNINGTON!"

 

"MCNAIR!!!!"

 

"PENNNINGTON!!!!"

 

*PUNCH*

[southcarolina 166]

 

And another best way for that to happen was for the woman not to initiate a confrontation and let the man pack up his sh!t and go. She could have be the woman to step up and be a woman and walk away. She wasn't in imminent danger, he held no gun or knife. She could have just left and let him collect his things at that time. The man isn't blameless, she should have been woman enough to not make a calm situation into a nuclear explosion. Unfortunately, her playstation was important than her children's well being. So, she deserves getting roasted. Every bit.

 

I see what you did there. Clever.

 

 

Anyway,,,,,im not going to keep arguing the point because its obvious you are just in this for the argument, so i will leave with this thought. I am a big guy, Think NFL offensive lineman big. Ive been in plenty of situations where i had the following choice: 1) Give some obnoxiously drunk idot the beating he so richly deserved or 2) Understand that he was no match for me, and beating him wouldnt prove or solve anything. Its a choice i made because in every situation i was the guy who was soberer (i drank sparingly even in my younger days) and the guy who was bigger and stronger, usually by a wide margin. Its a choice not based on what someone deserved, but on appropriate levels of reaction. Beating up a stone drunk guy isnt awesome, its pathetic. Im not saying that women never deserve to be punched in the face, or that sometimes it isnt a necessary level of response. Just that in this particular instance, the guy way overreacted, and let his emotions rule his intellect. In this case, he punched a person (it doesnt even matter that it was a woman) who obviously wasnt physically capable of defending him/herself. There is plenty of blame to go around, and youre right the woman had just as many chances to diffuse the situation by just giving the guy some space to do his thing. But she didnt and the situation escalated to the point it did. At which point he should have manned up and left.

 

By your logic if one of the 5 year old kids had witnessed him punching their mom, and run over to him and yelled "Dont hit my mommy" and punched him in the thigh, that action would have warranted a punch in the five year olds face, right? I mean he did start it after all.

[SUXBNME 1,503]

She must have vetoed a trade of his that wasn't collusion.

Either that or she had the audacity to question the QB WR cancel out theory

[cbfalcon 825]

Just a Playstation or a PS3?

[jerryskids 6,799]

The guy gets up in the woman's face and kicks the television to physically intimidate her. Then when she fights back he punches her out of anger. I don't know how you can defend that.

 

Agreed. I'm no lawyer but his behavior (before the hitting) seems like assault to me:

At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.

 

They disagreed on who owned the PS and both wanted to protect it. He clearly tried to physically intimidate her to resolve it; looming over her and kicking the TV behind her with an implicit "you could be next" message.

 

You could argue the double standard in the way we view hitting a man vs. a woman in the situation, but either way he was primarily at fault.

 

 

 

[tikigods 76]

either way he was primarily at fault.

 

Wrong. I blame Sony.

[Mephisto 15]

I see what you did there. Clever.

 

 

Anyway,,,,,im not going to keep arguing the point because its obvious you are just in this for the argument, so i will leave with this thought.

 

I didn't get much further past this.

 

I will leave you with this thought - I offered an analysis that was very narrow in scope, admittedly so. I didn't ask for any value judgments. I analyzed solely what transpired, the order of operations, and then applied shared blame.

 

Neither was blameless. I'm looking at this from a social/societal perspective. One that has some people pontificate about equality, while at the same time looking to be be absolved of personal responsibility. People who want rights, but without responsibility. People who want protection, chivalry, respect, while giving none or putting themselves in dangerous situations and then cry poor me when an outcome that they didn't expect (or maybe did and wanted based on a bigger agenda).

 

I've seen little guys, even little gals with appropriate skillz, knock the sh!t out of people much larger than them.

 

What's abundantly clear here are a few things:

 

- People will almost always blame the man, no matter what really happened, even when it's on film right before their eyes.

 

- People will call one thing intimidation (kicking the television) intimidation, but not the orders she was barking out attempting to yank a controller out of his hands... that's somehow not an intimidating move because HE'S "much bigger."

 

- Claim she was intimidated when she clearly was not, she was guarding the tv and the game system even after he kicked it. And then repeatedly physically assaulted him before he returned fire.

 

And you still blame the man... who was calmly packing up his gear before she barged into the room and started her sh!t.

 

I don't give a rat's @ss in here who claim what about size, what a "man" should do, or any of that. That snapshot shows a domestic violence situation initiated by a woman.

 

Talk about the rest of it and make your value judgments based on your personal opinions/biases/beliefs. But do so knowing that what I've written above is fact based upon the evidence provided.

 

If I was on a jury, I'd convict them both of domestic violence/assault and probably child endangerment.

 

He's not "more at fault" because he's bigger than her. Violence is violence. Period.

[Mephisto 15]

By your logic if one of the 5 year old kids had witnessed him punching their mom, and run over to him and yelled "Dont hit my mommy" and punched him in the thigh, that action would have warranted a punch in the five year olds face, right? I mean he did start it after all.

 

My logic nor commentary came close to suggesting what you did above.

 

My commentary says, "WOMAN initiated domestic violence incident."

 

My commentary says, "They're both morons."

 

My commentary says, "People will blame the man because a - he's a man and b - he's bigger."

 

My commentary says, "People will find a way to absolve the woman for ANY responsibility for her actions nor the consequences for her actions."

 

I never suggested that anyone deserved to be punched. In fact, I've said the contrary. Neither deserved the treatment that they dished out on one another.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Meph, I am beginning to think you have issues with women. Maybe you should get that checked out.

[MDC 7,428]

The woman told him to leave, he didn't. He physically threatened her by kicking the TV and standing over her - this is classic abuser behavior. She shouldn't have hit him, but she posed no threat. He hauled off and punched her in the face, not to defend himself but out of anger. They were both wrong but he was more wrong, because he was in no physical danger. Judging from his actions I doubt this is the first time he's hit her. Indefensible.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

why is something like this even on youtube?

 

sadly that is my biggest question

[MDC 7,428]

and actually for those saying she swings first, he makes the first physical move at her

 

With his back to the camera it was really hard to tell who swung first, but he was obviously threatening her first.

[shovelheadt 71]

I didn't get much further past this.

 

I will leave you with this thought - I offered an analysis that was very narrow in scope, admittedly so. I didn't ask for any value judgments. I analyzed solely what transpired, the order of operations, and then applied shared blame.

 

Neither was blameless. I'm looking at this from a social/societal perspective. One that has some people pontificate about equality, while at the same time looking to be be absolved of personal responsibility. People who want rights, but without responsibility. People who want protection, chivalry, respect, while giving none or putting themselves in dangerous situations and then cry poor me when an outcome that they didn't expect (or maybe did and wanted based on a bigger agenda).

 

I've seen little guys, even little gals with appropriate skillz, knock the sh!t out of people much larger than them.

 

What's abundantly clear here are a few things:

 

- People will almost always blame the man, no matter what really happened, even when it's on film right before their eyes.

 

- People will call one thing intimidation (kicking the television) intimidation, but not the orders she was barking out attempting to yank a controller out of his hands... that's somehow not an intimidating move because HE'S "much bigger."

 

- Claim she was intimidated when she clearly was not, she was guarding the tv and the game system even after he kicked it. And then repeatedly physically assaulted him before he returned fire.

 

And you still blame the man... who was calmly packing up his gear before she barged into the room and started her sh!t.

 

I don't give a rat's @ss in here who claim what about size, what a "man" should do, or any of that. That snapshot shows a domestic violence situation initiated by a woman.

 

Talk about the rest of it and make your value judgments based on your personal opinions/biases/beliefs. But do so knowing that what I've written above is fact based upon the evidence provided.

 

If I was on a jury, I'd convict them both of domestic violence/assault and probably child endangerment.

 

He's not "more at fault" because he's bigger than her. Violence is violence. Period.

 

While I normally agree with your point that most women are sh*t and the guy gets blamed inappropriately more times than not, what you're viewing as 'fact' looks more like what you want to see. I see the exact opposite. She walks in the room running her mouth and removes the controller from the TV. He responds by yanking it out of her hand and then drop kicking the TV. I've watched it multiple times, and it shows the same thing every time. He initiated the physical aspect of it.

[penultimatestraw 473]

This is an interesting conversation. If she called the police, he'd get arrested. If he called the police, they'd probably separate them for the night...she files for a DVO, gets it and forces him out of the house...child support..etc. It's a lose-lose for a man in that situation.

 

Either way, hitting each other in front of kids is a cardinal sin. No justification for it.

Looks like women sometimes get arrested, too.

BOSTON -- Defenders of battered women long struggled to persuade authorities to crack down on brutal men who reigned by the fist at home. But those crackdowns have produced an unexpected consequence: in some places, one-quarter or more of arrests for domestic assault are not of men but of women.

 

In Concord, N.H., this year nearly 35 percent of domestic assault arrests have been of women, up from 23 percent in 1993. In Vermont, 23 percent of domestic assault arrests this year were of women, compared with 16 percent in 1997.

 

And in Boulder County, Colo., one-quarter of defendants charged in domestic violence cases through September were women.

 

Those are simple statistics. But women's advocates, law enforcement officials and academic experts say that little else seems simple about numbers they find surprisingly high -- except that they seem to have emerged as an unintended result of mandatory arrest laws and tougher police rules meant to help women who were the victims of domestic violence.

 

Advocates for battered women and many social scientists say that most of the women arrested in these cases were acting in self-defense and that to punish them is unjust and even dangerous because the victims will be unlikely to call the police again.

 

Other social scientists and the police say that the arrest numbers reflect a real level of violence by women, even though women cause far fewer injuries than men do and that the finer nets set at women's urging to catch more domestic abuse naturally sweep up some women as well.

 

Nearly one million cases of "intimate partner violence" are reported in America each year, according to the Department of Justice, with female victims outnumbering males by more than five to one.

 

A different federal poll, the National Violence Against Women survey, which uses a smaller sample and different methodology, found the gender gap was less pronounced: it estimated last year that 1.5 million women and 835,000 men annually were raped or assaulted by an intimate partner, a ratio of just under two to one.

 

The issue of women's arrests sometimes takes on a gender-wars edge. Some women's advocates see a backlash among predominantly male police officers. Some men's advocates see a silent epidemic of domestic abuse of men by women, and call the arrest numbers further proof. But virtually no one claims to fully understand the phenomenon, which mystifies because it so diverges from the widely accepted estimate that 95 percent of batterers are men. Officials say efforts are under way both to study the phenomenon and improve training for the police, who must wade daily into "he said, she said" battles.

 

"I just wish I could tell you what the cause of it is," said Bonnie J. Campbell, director of the Violence Against Women Office, which oversees the $1.6 billion allotted by Congress for five years under the 1994 Violence Against Women Act. "My instincts tell me some of it is the need to fine-tune and do a lot of training. I suspect one piece of it is backlash, but that's just my instinct."

 

In addition, she noted, "We are seeing numbers that suggest that young women are getting more aggressive."

 

Scholars and advocates say that they are giving more attention to the arrests of women. The high numbers have been cropping up for years in spots, but lately, said Sue Osthoff, director of the National Clearinghouse for the Defense of Battered Women, "it's become a bigger problem."

 

She continued, "I just think it's happening to more women in more communities."

 

In Concord, the police joined women's advocates and others this summer to try to learn what was going on. But after examining 67 arrests of women for domestic assault, there was no single easy answer, said the city's police chief, Bill Halacy.

 

"We had all these hypotheses, most of which didn't turn out to be true," Halacy said. One theory was that the arrests might be "dual arrests" -- the arrest of both partners in a fight -- but that was true in only 22 percent of the cases, Chief Halacy said. Then, he said, "We started looking at: 'Is she a former victim and this is like catch-up time?' " They found that 21 percent of the defendants had earlier come to police attention as victims. And among the victims, 16 percent had previously been defendants.

 

Among the clear points that emerged, Halacy added, only three of 67 assault victims had to go to a hospital, where they were examined and released, illustrating that violence by women causes far less injury than violence by men. In 24 percent of cases, Halacy said, both parties in the assault were women, including six cases of mothers assaulted by their daughters.

 

Grace Mattern, executive director of the New Hampshire Coalition Against Domestic and Sexual Violence, said that some officers said they needed "better training on making that on-the-spot decision on who's the primary aggressor."

 

It also seemed, Ms. Mattern said, that many of the women arrested were involved in violent relationships that did not rise to the level of battering. In classic battering, one partner seeks to control and terrorize the other. In these cases, she said, "when the couple gets angry, they push each other, they shove each other, one slaps the other, but no one's a victim or a batterer." It's more a "you hit me, I'm calling the police" situation, she said. Throwing things, shoving and hitting, "in this day and age, can get you arrested," she said.

 

In the last two or three decades, there has been a growing movement to defend battered women that has fought for tougher laws concerning what many had long considered "family matters." A more recent wave of laws and policies has shifted the focus in some places to identifying and arresting the "primary aggressor," but the upshot has remained the same: a great surge in domestic violence arrests.

 

The trouble is that officers face a difficult task when they enter a house where both partners are disheveled, bruised and furious. Officials and experts emphasize that the police must have the time, training and willingness to investigate thoroughly enough to determine whether a woman is a victim or an abuser.

 

But in some cases, said Bob Moyer, executive director of the Family Violence Council of Lancaster County, Neb., an officer is wont to say: "I can't sort this out so I'm just going to arrest both parties."

 

One Vermont woman described the process that led to her arrest and conviction for assaulting her boyfriend this year. The man had been beating her on and off for five years, she said, including during her two pregnancies. After she got a restraining order, and the man was warned not to hit her, he would smash her head into a wall, or body-slam her, often in front of their small daughter, who would lie on the floor and cry with her.

 

One night as she was being beaten, she said, she grabbed a knife and cut an artery in the man's arm.

 

The police took her in, she said, but the man was not arrested.

 

"The police didn't look at him," she said, "didn't care about the violence he had done to me."

 

Vermont officials say they are trying to determine why 23 percent of their domestic assault arrests are of women. Jeri Martinez, an educator for the Vermont Network Against Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault, said that a look at a few cases indicated that women were largely being arrested for minor assaults like scratching and slapping.

 

"People want to look at this data and say women are beating men," she said, "but the data doesn't tell you that." There are too many other variables, she said, like a recent expansion of the law.

 

Ms. Martinez was referring to people like Bert H. Hoff.

 

Hoff, who runs MenWeb, a men's issues Web site that has an extensive collection of articles on battered men, said that the arrest numbers were not surprising, considering various studies that indicate widespread domestic violence by women against men.

 

"Men are finally coming forward and are finally being believed," Ms. Martinez said.

 

Murray A. Straus, a sociologist at the University of New Hampshire whose research has shown high levels of domestic assaults by women, said that to him, the arrest numbers show that "the pendulum is starting to swing back toward more equal treatment." It was terrible, he said, when men were getting away with beating their wives, but then the emphasis "swung to the other extreme" when new laws and policies made it sound like only men could commit domestic violence.

 

But some wonder whether the pendulum has swung back too far. Margaret Martin, an associate professor at Eastern Connecticut State University who has looked at the Connecticut arrest rates, blamed "a kind of over-routinized enforcement of the law" for the fact that one-third of the state's domestic assault arrests are dual arrests.

 

As study of the numbers proceeds, so do attempts to improve police training like a program recently begun in California, where the state Justice Department reported that almost 17 percent of domestic assault arrests in 1998 were of women.

 

Alana Bowman, deputy city attorney of Los Angeles and the point person on domestic violence, said, "I think training is the key component to allow law enforcement to see domestic violence in a context" -- a context, she said, that requires thorough investigation to look for things like power and fear that may not be immediately obvious.

 

State-level training, began this month, she said, but was introduced in Los Angeles at the start of this year and has reduced by one-third the arrests of women compared with last year. High arrest rates of women, she said, seem to reflect confusion among the police about new laws.

 

Eve Buzawa, a domestic violence expert at the University of Massachusetts in Lowell, said that her research suggested that it would also be wise to return more discretion to the police on whom to arrest.

 

"When you think about community policing," she said, "in every other area they're trying to teach the police to use discretion properly."

 

The high rate of arrests, particularly of women, raises a basic policy question: Has the bar been set too low on domestic violence? Should a couple that scuffles really be vulnerable to arrest?

 

Chief Halacy of Concord said he had asked himself that question and concluded that even if the violence was minor, "Our hope is that this takes on sort of the flavor that Driving While Intoxicated did in years past -- that it's no longer socially acceptable."

CDC stats say 1 in 4 women have been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner while 1 in 7 men experienced severe physical violence by an intimate partner. So if all other factors are equal, the arrest ratio should be be about 2:1.

[DankNuggs 305]

I didn't get much further past this.

 

I will leave you with this thought - I offered an analysis that was very narrow in scope, admittedly so. I didn't ask for any value judgments. I analyzed solely what transpired, the order of operations, and then applied shared blame.

 

Neither was blameless. I'm looking at this from a social/societal perspective. One that has some people pontificate about equality, while at the same time looking to be be absolved of personal responsibility. People who want rights, but without responsibility. People who want protection, chivalry, respect, while giving none or putting themselves in dangerous situations and then cry poor me when an outcome that they didn't expect (or maybe did and wanted based on a bigger agenda).

 

I've seen little guys, even little gals with appropriate skillz, knock the sh!t out of people much larger than them.

 

What's abundantly clear here are a few things:

 

- People will almost always blame the man, no matter what really happened, even when it's on film right before their eyes.

 

- People will call one thing intimidation (kicking the television) intimidation, but not the orders she was barking out attempting to yank a controller out of his hands... that's somehow not an intimidating move because HE'S "much bigger."

 

- Claim she was intimidated when she clearly was not, she was guarding the tv and the game system even after he kicked it. And then repeatedly physically assaulted him before he returned fire.

 

And you still blame the man... who was calmly packing up his gear before she barged into the room and started her sh!t.

 

I don't give a rat's @ss in here who claim what about size, what a "man" should do, or any of that. That snapshot shows a domestic violence situation initiated by a woman.

 

Talk about the rest of it and make your value judgments based on your personal opinions/biases/beliefs. But do so knowing that what I've written above is fact based upon the evidence provided.

 

If I was on a jury, I'd convict them both of domestic violence/assault and probably child endangerment.

 

He's not "more at fault" because he's bigger than her. Violence is violence. Period.

You are getting far too philosophical with this proof based logic. Size and threat have context here. Also the fact you don't hit women ever for any reason. She started it, and she sucks, and it seems like good reassurance for him packing up and leave.

 

Was he planning on stuffing his 50" tv into his duffle bag, thing looks like a CRT that probably weighs 300+ lbs. so the whole argument seems dramatic anyways, his lash out was emotional and dramatic, and wrong.

[DankNuggs 305]

Looks like women sometimes get arrested, too. CDC stats say 1 in 4 women have been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner while 1 in 7 men experienced severe physical violence by an intimate partner. So if all other factors are equal, the arrest ratio should be be about 2:1.

What constitutes a woman raping a man?

[penultimatestraw 473]

Meph, I am beginning to think you have issues with women. Maybe you should get that checked out.

You didn't reach that conclusion after his divorce tirade? I'm guessing he's a Playstation fan, too.

[penultimatestraw 473]

What constitutes a woman raping a man?

Ask Nikki. Or was it shotsup?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

You didn't reach that conclusion after his divorce tirade?

 

I was very suspicious at that point and this thread has only solidified it. Obviously the dude has anger issues generally and towards women in particular.

[Savage Beast 1]

Why is no one pointing out how weak that guy punches? The guy had 11 inch arms in diameter at best? He was a stickboy supreme. He couldn't hit hard enough to whip a woman if he tried.

 

He punches like a 90 pound woman himself. Looked like a fair fight to me? I think she was holding back whipping his ass, only to use the video against him.

[gocolts 300]

You are getting far too philosophical with this proof based logic. Size and threat have context here. Also the fact you don't hit women ever for any reason. She started it, and she sucks, and it seems like good reassurance for him packing up and leave.

 

Was he planning on stuffing his 50" tv into his duffle bag, thing looks like a CRT that probably weighs 300+ lbs. so the whole argument seems dramatic anyways, his lash out was emotional and dramatic, and wrong.

I pretty much agree that you never hit a woman. Hell, I was in a similar situation to this once. My girlfriend called me at work and told me she was in the process of throwing my sh1t out the door. I left work and went to get my stuff. She was tossing my electronics onto the sidewalk breaking them in pieces. I was collecting my things and she came at me with a screw driver and stabbed me in the shoulder. I was bleeding. I wanted to turn around and drop her. But she was a woman and I was bigger than her. I got in my truck and left.

[naomi 356]

I'm gonna go out on a limb with a response that probably won't be too popular with the girls here-and maybe some of the guys as well.

 

Personally, I'm sick of women who think they can get away with this kinda sh!t. They think it's fine to slap, push and even punch their male partners because society has taught them that's it's not ok to hit a woman-under ANY circumstances. So women do whatever the fock they want, without fear of any repercussions. Then on the off chance that the guy DOES fight back, he's still tarred and feathered because he hit her.

 

Ladies, we wanted equal rights... well, here they are!

I get this sentiment.

 

But I don't get Meph's breakdown. I don't see how he can see some of what he's making a definitive call on...unless my inability to see it is due to my crappy pc.

 

Some of the stuff he was yanking around before the actual physical part of the confronation she claims was hers. It also sounds like we're assuming the TV and playstation is solely his.

 

I see her standing in front of the TV. He comes around to do something with it and by nature of that has to make physical contact with her because she's blocking what he wants to do with it. She's on the defensive as he continues his action with it (granted it was her choice to make herself one with the TV) so she attempts to swat him away....and that's what we're interpreting as hitting him. Swatting him away.

 

It's interesting. I'm probably bias to finding her less culpable, but I'm open to an objective challenge to that. I just don't think we have enough to go off of for that. We'd need more angles.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Why is no one pointing out how weak that guy punches? The guy had 11 inch arms in diameter at best? He was a stickboy supreme. He couldn't hit hard enough to whip a woman if he tried.

 

He punches like a 90 pound woman himself. Looked like a fair fight to me? I think she was holding back whipping his ass, only to use the video against him.

Because we aren't in fifth grade anymore?

[penultimatestraw 473]

I get this sentiment.

 

But I don't get Meph's breakdown. I don't see how he can see some of what he's making a definitive call on...unless my inability to see it is due to my crappy pc.

 

Some of the stuff he was yanking around before the actual physical part of the confronation she claims was hers. It also sounds like we're assuming the TV and playstation is solely his.

 

I see her standing in front of the TV. He comes around to do something with it and by nature of that has to make physical contact with her because she's blocking what he wants to do with it. She's on the defensive as he continues his action with it (granted it was her choice to make herself one with the TV) so she attempts to swat him away....and that's what we're interpreting as hitting him. Swatting him away.

 

It's interesting. I'm probably bias to finding her less culpable, but I'm open to an objective challenge to that. I just don't think we have enough to go off of for that. We'd need more angles.

Meph is a misogynist, so he sees/hears what he wants.

[cyclone24 1,913]

"Im not saying that women never deserve to be punched in the face, or that sometimes it isnt a necessary level of response" --Soutcarolina

 

 

Wow......how the fock did this even get to two pages? The ONLY consensus on here should be....You dont hit wimmen folk....ever.

 

I wish the dbags who hit women had to wear a certain colored hat at all times....and it gave society free reign to light you up for it if they wanted to. There is nothing more poosay than a guy who hits a girl, actually kinda p!sses me off thinking about it.

[Mephisto 15]

It's interesting. I'm probably bias to finding her less culpable, but I'm open to an objective challenge to that. I just don't think we have enough to go off of for that. We'd need more angles.

 

And this is a great point... I reiterate - it's simply a "snapshot" - we don't know what transpired beforehand nor do we have any idea what occurred afterwards.

 

Ultimately, the bottom line is this, they both had ample opportunity to handle it the "right way" based upon the snapshot. The bias that exists has people immediately jump to offer the man more blame and more responsibility, often simply due to his "size." This is flat-out wrong and it's what allows women to get away with the abusive sh!t they get away with as often as they do. (And it's a LOT.)

 

I used to be of the mindset, too, that you never hit a woman ever. This also gives women the "balls" to provoke, attack, assault, and expect the neanderthals who still subscribe to that old school mindset to get freight-trained in greater situations. But my mindset changed a long time ago that no one is to hit anyone ever, unless in self-defense, and even then, use only enough force to extract yourself from any given situation.

 

Once you lose the belief that you're going to get your ass kicked for starting a physical confrontation... bad things happen...

 

Maybe when the world starts accepting that mindset that a women "never, ever hits a man ever" - the BS we see like in the video happen with far less frequency.

[Mephisto 15]

Meph is a misogynist, so he sees/hears what he wants.

 

Yes... this is a common accusation that is ALMOST ALWAYS directed at someone who would dare suggest that a woman be held accountable for her actions.

 

:highfive:

 

Way to step up, penult. I'm frankly shocked that it took as long as it did for someone to pull the misogynist card.

 

Here's another rule I live by... if you're going to take a swing at somebody, expect to be punched back.

[jerryskids 6,799]

"Im not saying that women never deserve to be punched in the face, or that sometimes it isnt a necessary level of response" --Soutcarolina

 

 

Wow......how the fock did this even get to two pages? The ONLY consensus on here should be....You dont hit wimmen folk....ever.

 

I wish the dbags who hit women had to wear a certain colored hat at all times....and it gave society free reign to light you up for it if they wanted to. There is nothing more poosay than a guy who hits a girl, actually kinda p!sses me off thinking about it.

It got to two pages in part because of attitudes like yours. You are a big guy so it is hard for you to imagine a scenario where a woman can abuse a man.

 

This happens to NOT be such a case however. The guy initiated the assault, then finished it with a punch to the face, clearly in anger.

[cyclone24 1,913]

It got to two pages in part because of attitudes like yours. You are a big guy so it is hard for you to imagine a scenario where a woman can abuse a man.

 

This happens to NOT be such a case however. The guy initiated the assault, then finished it with a punch to the face, clearly in anger.

 

 

Attitudes like mine? Should that BE the attitude?

 

 

And yeah...but there are not that many situations where the man is not bigger and stronger than the woman. I dunno....i just dont have that trigger that says THIS is an ok response to her behavior. Im sure some people do i guess....i dunno.

[jerryskids 6,799]

Attitudes like mine? Should that BE the attitude?

 

 

And yeah...but there are not that many situations where the man is not bigger and stronger than the woman. I dunno....i just dont have that trigger that says THIS is an ok response to her behavior. Im sure some people do i guess....i dunno.

Again, this specific case does not seem like a justifiable one. Sure, there could be some back story where she has been abusing him for years and he finally snapped... but I doubt it.

 

Part of my issue with him is the face shot. If he had given her a body shot to double her over and stop things, it might be different. We teach young kids in the martial arts that if an adult ever grabs you and tries to take you away in a crowded place, go for the face. If they hit the arms or body, they just look like disobedient kids. If a stranger sees a kid hitting an adult in the face, he notices and thinks something is wrong.

[Mephisto 15]

Attitudes like mine? Should that BE the attitude?

 

 

And yeah...but there are not that many situations where the man is not bigger and stronger than the woman. I dunno....i just dont have that trigger that says THIS is an ok response to her behavior. Im sure some people do i guess....i dunno.

 

Size doesn't equal "victory" in the case of a confrontation, either. Particularly when laws, legislation, the police, and the court system are taught the exact same BS as is espoused in this very thread.

 

Blame the man first, ask questions later (if ever).

 

As long as the argument continues to be about the presence of a ###### and physical size, women will continue to get away with their own physical, verbal, emotional abuse... provocative behaviors, initiating domestic violence and physical confrontations... because when it backfires on them, they win anyway.

 

It's funny, in the absence of any real arguments (that a scant few have made), no one has defended the man's behavior. No one has justified the man's behavior. No one has excused the man's behavior. More or less, his behavior has simply been explained.

 

If you've been paying attention, the same can't be said of the woman... and from my perspective, some have been bending over backwards to make claims that the man initiated it here, which is patently false by simple virtue of her coming into the room from elsewhere and starting sh!t.

[cyclone24 1,913]

Size doesn't equal "victory" in the case of a confrontation, either. Particularly when laws, legislation, the police, and the court system are taught the exact same BS as is espoused in this very thread.

 

Blame the man first, ask questions later (if ever).

 

As long as the argument continues to be about the presence of a ###### and physical size, women will continue to get away with their own physical, verbal, emotional abuse... provocative behaviors, initiating domestic violence and physical confrontations... because when it backfires on them, they win anyway.

 

It's funny, in the absence of any real arguments (that a scant few have made), no one has defended the man's behavior. No one has justified the man's behavior. No one has excused the man's behavior. More or less, his behavior has simply been explained.

 

If you've been paying attention, the same can't be said of the woman... and from my perspective, some have been bending over backwards to make claims that the man initiated it here, which is patently false by simple virtue of her coming into the room from elsewhere and starting sh!t.

 

Oh yes im not saying she isnt being a little ###### in all this......its just never ok to hit a girl. And my god in front of the kids? I didnt see the sex of the kids....but if its a boy, what do you think they will learn is ok to do? Hit wimmen.

 

If its a girl....whats going to happen when she gets older? She'll think its normal if she gets into a relationship where hes violent....which could lead to her getting really hurt.

 

Both are ridiculous.....you just dont hit though. Thats part of the deal of being a man....you gotta walk away from that crap.

[Phurfur 70]

Oh yes im not saying she isnt being a little ###### in all this......its just never ok to hit a girl. And my god in front of the kids? I didnt see the sex of the kids....but if its a boy, what do you think they will learn is ok to do? Hit wimmen.

 

If its a girl....whats going to happen when she gets older? She'll think its normal if she gets into a relationship where hes violent....which could lead to her getting really hurt.

 

Both are ridiculous.....you just dont hit though. Thats part of the deal of being a man....you gotta walk away from that crap.

 

 

It's just never ok to hit anybody unless you are defending yourself.

[Mephisto 15]

Oh yes im not saying she isnt being a little ###### in all this......its just never ok to hit a girl. And my god in front of the kids? I didnt see the sex of the kids....but if its a boy, what do you think they will learn is ok to do? Hit wimmen.

 

If its a girl....whats going to happen when she gets older? She'll think its normal if she gets into a relationship where hes violent....which could lead to her getting really hurt.

 

Both are ridiculous.....you just dont hit though. Thats part of the deal of being a man....you gotta walk away from that crap.

 

And the blind eyes continue to post...

 

If it's a girl, maybe they'll see that it's okay to hit boys/men because there is a societal expectation that, no matter what, even if under attack, you "never ever hit a girl ever"? Maybe they'll see the resolution to a problem is to punch a man in the face or shove him in the chest?

 

It's not part of "BEING A MAN" and that mindset is precisely what's wrong with our society (among other things). It's part of being A PERSON not to hit another person as a means of conflict resolution. It's part of being a man. It's part of being a WOMAN, too.

 

Stop excusing/ignoring poor behavior based upon gender.

[cyclone24 1,913]

And the blind eyes continue to post...

 

If it's a girl, maybe they'll see that it's okay to hit boys/men because there is a societal expectation that, no matter what, even if under attack, you "never ever hit a girl ever"? Maybe they'll see the resolution to a problem is to punch a man in the face or shove him in the chest?

 

It's not part of "BEING A MAN" and that mindset is precisely what's wrong with our society (among other things). It's part of being A PERSON not to hit another person as a means of conflict resolution. It's part of being a man. It's part of being a WOMAN, too.

 

Stop excusing/ignoring poor behavior based upon gender.

 

 

That could be the most asinine post in the history of the bored....and thats saying a lot.

 

Im done playing with the trolls. If you hit a girl for any reason....youre a dbag, and a poosay.

[Mephisto 15]

That could be the most asinine post in the history of the bored....and thats saying a lot.

 

Im done playing with the trolls. If you hit a girl for any reason....youre a dbag, and a poosay.

 

Then stop posting.

 

I don't disagree that the dude is a lunatic and entirely wrong for what he did. I just hold everyone accountable for their poor behavior, including the woman, in that scenario - while you just ignore it.

 

It's what gives them the stones to punch and shove someone twice their size, moron. A woman should never hit a man, ever, either. A woman should never hit a man for any reason.

 

Apparently you disagree with that mindset and are calling me asinine? Laughable.

[Phurfur 70]

That could be the most asinine post in the history of the bored....and thats saying a lot.

 

Im done playing with the trolls. If you hit a girl for any reason....youre a dbag, and a poosay.

 

 

Wow, you just made his case and you don't even know it. Why don't you go out and beat up a bunch of guys who are smaller than you.

 

 

BTW: The name calling was a nice touch.