Woman Punched in Front of Her Kids by Husband

[Mephisto 15]

I acknowledged that I would "hit that" on page one.

 

So, IGW is advocating hitting women and people had issues with MY comments? Good grief.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

So, IGW is advocating hitting women and people had issues with MY comments? Good grief.

 

You are not this dense.

[Mookz 1,349]

I acknowledged that I would "hit that" on page one.

True, but in my defense, you have been known to go for some downright skanks.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

True, but in my defense, you have been known to go for some downright skanks.

 

Not since my college years

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

You are not this dense.

 

Hmmmm. I am not sure that I agree with this.

[mmmmm...beer 807]

From my perspective, he didn't back her into that corner, she put herself there trying to keep him from taking a t.v. that he clearly stated that was his. She doesn't seem afraid of him in the least. We see her reach out (and it's not entirely clear from the angle) and either punch or slap him. But we do here him say "You wanna punch me in the face?" then he hits her.

 

I'm not condoning what he did, but I won't condemn him either. I firmly stand on the belief if you want to hit a man, then you should be ready for any and all of the consequences.

 

And then there is the matter of who was taping this little incident? Of course we will never know, but my money is that she was the one to set up the recorder and this is exactly what she had in mind when she did.

 

Wrong... wrong... wrong.

 

I watched the video.

 

In my professional opinion. When he backed her against the tv... got in her grill... kicked the TV... all intimidation... all signs of eminent violence that he was about to commit. She got scared and reacted by trying to defend herself.

 

You DO NOT HAVE TO WAIT TO BE HIT... if you see all the precursors to being hit you can defend yourself. When someone gets in your face like that you can lay hands on them to get them to back off. That guy was ALL OVER HER before she swung at him to get him off of her. She just has to articulate how he was acting... how close he was.. how he was looming over her... her feelings that he was about to hit her.

 

I will tell you this... there has been MANY times when a man has come up to me... got in my grill... stood like that guy stood... fists clenched like he had them clenched... I would have planted that motherfocker BEFORE he kicked that TV.

 

I have choked focking slammed countless people for less.

 

Everything he did was after he when he got up off the floor was telegraphing him getting ready to assault her.

 

As soon as he hit her... he grabs her and belines DIRECTLY to the camera to shut it off. It was his focking taping.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Wrong... wrong... wrong.

 

I watched the video.

 

In my professional opinion. When he backed her against the tv... got in her grill... kicked the TV... all intimidation... all signs of eminent violence that he was about to commit. She got scared and reacted by trying to defend herself.

 

You DO NOT HAVE TO WAIT TO BE HIT... if you see all the precursors to being hit you can defend yourself. When someone gets in your face like that you can lay hands on them to get them to back off. That guy was ALL OVER HER before she sung at him to get him off of her.

 

I will tell you this... there has been MANY times when a man has come up to me... got in my grill... stood like that guy stood... fists clenched like he had them clenched... I would have planted that motherfocker BEFORE he kicked that TV.

 

I have choked focking slammed countless people for less.

 

Everything he did was after he when he got up off the floor was telegraphing him getting ready to assault her.

 

As soon as he hit her... he grabs her and belines DIRECTLY to the camera to shut it off. It was his focking taping.

Some people don't believe intimidation counts - that the definition of assault is faulty. They are all wrong, of course.

[mmmmm...beer 807]

Some people don't believe intimidation counts - that the definition of assault is faulty. They are all wrong, of course.

 

The acts precluding physical violence as seen in this case are easy to articulate. When someone is about to be assaulted the assaulter a lot of the time does X... Y... Z.

 

Prosecutor: "Did Mr. Dumbass's actions show that he was about to assault you Ofc./Agent Good guy?"

 

Ofc./Agent Goodguy: "Absolutely sir. He X'd... then he Y'd.. and also Z'd."

 

Prosecutor: "And Ofc/Agent Goodguy from your training and experience what is someone who does X, Y, and Z about to do following that behavior?"

 

Ofc./Agent Goodguy: "In my training and experience Mr. Dumbass was about to try to open a full can of whoop ass on me sir. That's why I "directed him to the ground"."

[Savage Beast 1]

You mess with the bull, you get the horn. You kick the hornets nest, you get stung.

 

If a a woman is hanging around a known violent man, and they mess with the violent man in any way to provoke him, then they will probably be assaulted because of it. And any little thing provokes violent men, including kindness and love, so it won't take long for the monster to show himself.

 

The moral of the story is ladies, please quit getting in relationships with violent men. It's hard to feel sorry for a woman who gets beaten by a man who is known to be violent at the drop of a playstation. And please don't give me the "I didn't know he was violent" speech. A violent man will reveal his true colors the first few times you are around him in private. If you get in a relationship with a violent man, expect to be verbally and physically abused. Is it right for anybody to be treated violently, not at all. it's horrible and criminal. But it's retarded to expect a violent man not to hurt you because you love him. Like he is violent towards everybody else, but you are somehow special, and immune to his violent outbursts. Get real ladies. And to breed with a violent man and produce children is even more retarded ladies. Way to ruin the lives of innocent children as well.

[rholio 339]

*chick swings*

guy "What are you doing?"

chick "I'm defending myself."

*chick swings*

guy "Don't start that ###### again."

*Chick punches guy in face*

*Guy punches chick in face*

 

IF you have to explain you're defending yourself, to the person you're supposedly defending yourself from, here's a hint sunshine... you're not defending yourself, you're assaulting another person.

 

She started the confrontation. He escalated the confrontation. She escalated the confrontation. He escalated the confrontation. Either one could have stopped at any time, both were too stupid to do so.

[Giants Fan 85]

And to breed with a violent man and produce children is even more retarded ladies. Way to ruin the lives of innocent children as well.

 

We are all descended from rapists and whoas. Every single one of us.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

*chick swings*

guy "What are you doing?"

chick "I'm defending myself."

*chick swings*

guy "Don't start that ###### again."

*Chick punches guy in face*

*Guy punches chick in face*

 

IF you have to explain you're defending yourself, to the person you're supposedly defending yourself from, here's a hint sunshine... you're not defending yourself, you're assaulting another person.

 

She started the confrontation. He escalated the confrontation. She escalated the confrontation. He escalated the confrontation. Either one could have stopped at any time, both were too stupid to do so.

 

Let me put it this way: let's say the whole thing ended right after he kicked the TV behind her. Say she got around him and left the room (and assume that he let her).

 

Guess who has committed an assault up to that point? It ain't her, it's him.

 

That's why he "started" it.

[Giants Fan 85]

Let me put it this way: let's say the whole thing ended right after he kicked the TV behind her. Say she got around him and left the room (and assume that he let her).

 

Guess who has committed an assault up to that point? It ain't her, it's him.

 

That's why he "started" it.

 

He was just playing with his kids before she chimed in with "You have to leave."

 

So ... if the whole thing is one conflict .... she started it.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

He was just playing with his kids before she chimed in with "You have to leave."

 

That's not assault.

[Giants Fan 85]

That's not assault.

 

Still, if she has some idea that he might be volatile, she could have worded that better.

 

I'm not excusing him at all, but she didn't handle it well either.

[rholio 339]

Let me put it this way: let's say the whole thing ended right after he kicked the TV behind her. Say she got around him and left the room (and assume that he let her).

 

Guess who has committed an assault up to that point? It ain't her, it's him.

 

That's why he "started" it.

 

Ah, I get it... he started it by reacting to her when she started it! Makes perfect sense....

[nikki2200 4]

You people are all idiots. It's clear she should have expected it.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,457]

You people are all idiots. It's clear she should have expected it.

 

 

Glad I'm not the only one to see that huge camel toe. No wonder he was worried about the well bing of his PS3. You could fit a Wii up in there too.

[Giants Fan 85]

Ah, I get it... he started it by reacting to her when she started it! Makes perfect sense....

 

No ... you are missing his point.

 

If you take away the part where she started it ... he started it.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Holy crap there are some ignorant apologists here.

[Giants Fan 85]

apologists

 

Hey ... Moon landing is a different thread.

[nikki2200 4]

Holy crap there are some ignorant apologists here.

 

This thread makes a Little Rusty thread seem sane.

[shotsup 832]

I can't believe this argument is still being debated.

 

 

MMMmmmmmmBEEER already won this here thread.

[nikki2200 4]

Glad I'm not the only one to see that huge camel toe. No wonder he was worried about the well bing of his PS3. You could fit a Wii up in there too.

 

Her camel toe was asking for it and should have expected it.

[shotsup 832]

see that huge camel toe.

 

 

I have to go re-watch .... be right back

[nikki2200 4]

OK. I'm finally going to type some stuff about this because I am drunk and can't sleep.

 

Pages and pages ago I said something about being glad my BF doesn't punch me in the face every time I punch him in the arm. There was a reason for that.

 

If my BF says something to intentionally piss me off, I will punch him in the arm. His usual response is, "Don't hurt yourself."

 

Why is this acceptable? Why is it acceptable for me to "assault" my BF after he makes a light-hearted joke? Because he is two focking times bigger than I am and I know, and he knows, that there is absolutely nothing I could do to cause physical harm to him, unless I had a weapon.

 

You know that thing guys do? That thing where they make a muscle and ask a girl to hit them as hard as they can? And the girl does and they don't even flinch? You know why that happens? Because a normal sized woman could never do anything to harm a normal sized man with her hands, unless it involves the nut region.

 

The woman in the video was smaller than I am. And as tough as I like to think I am, I know I could never ever in a million years ever harm a man by punching him, unless he was a 90 pound AIDS patient.

 

And the woman in that video didn't even get a good punch off. She was haplessly waving her arms and taking half-assed shots at him. And that was all AFTER he backed her up into a corner and was the first one to exhibit aggressive behavior. So while she may have been the first one to strike him.... First of all, she didn't really give it a good effort, and Second of all, even if she did, the likelihood of her actually harming him in any way was nil.

 

However him full on punching her in the face????? He could have broken her jaw. At a minimum she got a bloody lip and a huge bruise on her face out of it.

 

Men are biologically bigger, faster, and stronger than the average woman, and certainly the small woman in this video. It's a biological fact. The use of force was not justified. The man was in no imminent danger from a 90 pound woman swatting at him. He wasn't defending himself. He was not scared. He thought it was OK to hit her, which he probably wanted to do in the first place because he was pissed off, because she "hit" him first.

 

And for all those people that are saying she obviously wasn't scared that he would hit her because it didn't seem like he had done it before. I agree. It didn't seem like he had done it before. Does that mean you get a free pass the first time you punch a woman in the face because you never did it before??? What kind of nonsense is that?

 

What if it was a child (which this woman was barely bigger than)? What if a child was throwing a temper tantrum and hit their 200 lb 25 year old father? Would it be OK for him to wind up and punch the kid in the head?

 

What if it was an 80 year old grumpy old man that got pissed off and swatted a 200 lb 25 year old guy with his cane? Would it be OK for him to wind up and punch the guy in the head?

 

The issue here is whether or not the response was appropriate for the situation. And I don't see how anyone in their right mind could possibly think the response was appropriate or necessary or not excessive. It's like stabbing someone because they stepped on your toe. Oh and they stepped on your toe because you were being a total jackass in the first place.

[Giants Fan 85]

I'm pretty much agreeing. What he did is totally unacceptable. But they both instigated it. Neither one behaved well.

 

Like I have said I had a gf once that would attack me and I would have to run away ... I NEVER, EVER ... would have full on punched her like that. Not saying the thought never crossed my mind ... but I never woulda done that. But, I loved her. You don't do that to someone you love.

 

But she did not handle the situation well. It's clear she wants to piss him off. Keeping the Playstation? Oh ... tantrum coming. It's clearly his Playstation.

[shotsup 832]

 

Because he is two focking times bigger than I am and I know, and he knows, that there is absolutely nothing I could do to cause physical harm to him, unless I had a weapon.

 

I've seen your hands - if he is 2 times bigger then you he must be HUGE......

 

And you drink to much kid.

[nikki2200 4]

But she did not handle the situation well. It's clear she wants to piss him off. Keeping the Playstation? Oh ... tantrum coming. It's clearly his Playstation.

 

Yea well break ups are pretty awful and don't bring out the best in people. I guess I've been lucky that I haven't been punched in the face over arguments about who owns/gets to keep what in a break up.

[nikki2200 4]

I've seen your hands - if he is 2 times bigger then you he must be HUGE......

 

And you drink to much kid.

 

YOU are telling ME I drink too much? Now this thread has gone from the realm of absurd to the realm of downright lunacy.

[shotsup 832]

YOU are telling ME I drink too much? Now this thread has gone from the realm of absurd to the realm of downright lunacy.

 

Go to SLEEP

[naomi 356]

The issue here is whether or not the response was appropriate for the situation. And I don't see how anyone in their right mind could possibly think the response was appropriate or necessary or not excessive. It's like stabbing someone because they stepped on your toe. Oh and they stepped on your toe because you were being a total jackass in the first place.

 

Meph doesn't think the guy's response was appropriate, necessary or not excessive. It's not defensible to him. He's concerned with the double standard of people condemning the guy for his violence yet not the woman for hers.

 

If her hits were self-defense motivated (and none of us can 100% know that), only condemning him for his violence wouldn't be applying a double standard though. The aggressor alone displays violence that befits 'assault'...in those situations.

 

One thing I never responded to is that if your main argument is simply that the woman should also be condemned for her violence...you don't really need to bring up how 'if you punch someone, you should expect to get punched back.' But maybe the point with that was asserting both are accountable for the sum total of the violence, not just their own. That thinking teeters on the 'asking for it' line, and I don't think Meph would disagree that it does, but the thing about 'asking for it' arguments is that they usually get employed to reduce perception of the accountability of the 'giver'.

[Giants Fan 85]

I've seen your hands - if he is 2 times bigger then you he must be HUGE......

 

And you drink to much kid.

 

too

 

(and I'm on my 10th beer)

 

Unless ... there is some guy named Much who died or something and that is a toast.

 

WE DRINK TO MUCH! I'll drink to Much.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

I'm pretty much agreeing. What he did is totally unacceptable. But they both instigated it. Neither one behaved well.

 

What's your point? Let's say she could have handled the situation better (I'm not really sure how, short of never coming in to the room at all, but that's beside the point). That in no way, shape, or form justifies what he did. So it's completely beside the point. It doesn't matter. The only thing that would justify what he did is if she came at him with a knife or something. She definitely did no such thing.

 

So it's focking stupid to say "oh she started the argument." Like by starting an argument with a man who is twice her size, a woman should expect that she will get punched in the face?

 

I'm done with this thread. You are all either trolling or the biggest focking dumbass misogynists in the world. Either way there is no further need to respond to anything you post.

[shotsup 832]

What's your point? Let's say she could have handled the situation better (I'm not really sure how, short of never coming in to the room at all, but that's beside the point). That in no way, shape, or form justifies what he did. So it's completely beside the point. It doesn't matter. The only thing that would justify what he did is if she came at him with a knife or something. She definitely did no such thing.

 

So it's focking stupid to say "oh she started the argument." Like by starting an argument with a man who is twice her size, a woman should expect that she will get punched in the face?

 

I'm done with this thread. You are all either trolling or the biggest focking dumbass misogynists in the world. Either way there is no further need to respond to anything you post.

 

 

Wormy what is your point - don't go away mad ....

[Giants Fan 85]

What's your point? Let's say she could have handled the situation better (I'm not really sure how, short of never coming in to the room at all, but that's beside the point). That in no way, shape, or form justifies what he did. So it's completely beside the point. It doesn't matter. The only thing that would justify what he did is if she came at him with a knife or something. She definitely did no such thing.

 

So it's focking stupid to say "oh she started the argument." Like by starting an argument with a man who is twice her size, a woman should expect that she will get punched in the face?

 

I'm done with this thread. You are all either trolling or the biggest focking dumbass misogynists in the world. Either way there is no further need to respond to anything you post.

 

Uh, really? I agree with you and you throw me under the bus?

 

My point is ... she should have an idea by now that he's an a-hole. My parents got divorced when I was a kid and we had joint custody and it wasn't a big deal. My parents were civil with each other. She is not being very smart about it. "You gotta go!" instead of, "Listen, times up ... I got stuff to do", my read is that she knows how to push his buttons, and she's pushing them.

 

What he did was unacceptable ... but ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... biach was askin for it.

 

[nikki2200 4]

Meph doesn't think the guy's response was appropriate, necessary or not excessive. It's not defensible to him. He's concerned with the double standard of people condemning the guy for his violence yet not the woman for hers.

 

If her hits were self-defense motivated (and none of us can 100% know that), only condemning him for his violence wouldn't be applying a double standard though. The aggressor alone displays violence that befits 'assault'...in those situations.

 

One thing I never responded to is that if your main argument is simply that the woman should also be condemned for her violence...you don't really need to bring up how 'if you punch someone, you should expect to get punched back.' But maybe the point with that was asserting both are accountable for the sum total of the violence, not just their own. That thinking teeters on the 'asking for it' line, and I don't think Meph would disagree that it does, but the thing about 'asking for it' arguments is that they usually serve to reduce accountability of the giver.

 

Honestly Naomi, I didn't read all of Mephisto's posts and I wasn't responding to him specifically. I was responding to a general sentiment by some posters that she "should have expected it" which apparently has become an FFT meme

 

It was the whole if you punch someone expect to be punched back thing and the teetering on "asking for it" that you are talking about. And the reducing the accountability of the guy in this situation. The "asking for it" excuse is one that is used by abusive men. The b1tch deserved what she got because she did XY&Z. And in this particular situation I saw absolutely no reason why the force this guy used was necessary or justifiable under any circumstances. She probably didn't leave so much as a red mark on his entire body and unfortunately I doubt she could say the same.

[Giants Fan 85]

According to him, she "punched him in the focking face" ... but it didn't really look like a punch to me.

 

She could have handled it in a DIFFERENT WAY ... and that's my point. IF YOU ARE DATING SOMEONE THAT IS CAPABLE OF VIOLENCE, GET OUT OF THE WAY! LET THEM TAKE THE PLAYSTATION!

 

But apparently now I'm a sexist because I was a little obtuse.

[naomi 356]

Honestly Naomi, I didn't read all of Mephisto's posts and I wasn't responding to him specifically. I was responding to a general sentiment by some posters that she "should have expected it" which apparently has become an FFT meme

 

It was the whole if you punch someone expect to be punched back thing and the teetering on "asking for it" that you are talking about. And the reducing the accountability of the guy in this situation. The "asking for it" excuse is one that is used by abusive men. The b1tch deserved what she got because she did XY&Z. And in this particular situation I saw absolutely no reason why the force this guy used was necessary or justifiable under any circumstances. She probably didn't leave so much as a red mark on his entire body and unfortunately I doubt she could say the same.

The rest of those guys are basically deferring to Meph's logic (not that it doesn't check out to them), so I was referring to the source with that more than assuming you had him in mind.

[shotsup 832]

My old man GOD rest his soul taught me to NEVER hit a woman and holds doors open for wimmens.

 

You gonna tell me now he was a wrong? It was how I was raised.

 

Rest of you that don't feel the same way ? Animals.