Supreme Court rules Obama has raised taxes on every American

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Another broken promise confirmed.

 

Another lie exposed.

 

Another flip-flop.

 

Gonna be harder for Obama to peddle his "I have not raised taxes on anyone making less than $250,000" yaksqueeze.

[parrot 789]

Link?

[DankNuggs 305]

Link?

It was passed under the commerce clause's ability to regulate taxation...

[parrot 789]

It was passed under the commerce clause's ability to regulate taxation...

Understood. I'm just curious to see the part where the court proclaimed that it raises taxes on every American.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Understood. I'm just curious to see the part where the court proclaimed that it raises taxes on every American.

Every American is mandated to buy insurance.

[parrot 789]

Every American is mandated to buy insurance.

 

Many people already have insurance.

[DankNuggs 305]

Understood. I'm just curious to see the part where the court proclaimed that it raises taxes on every American.

Premiums in every state but MA are going to rise 25% to 60% depending on who you ask... MA already has this, so in theory it is passing along the freebie costs to the other states as well..MA will rise as well but comparatively it will be less as the playing field evens out..

 

MA has 25% higher premiums than NY, NH for example...

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Many people already have insurance.

For now.

[shovelheadt 71]

You lost this thread the moment you posted it. If you're interested, head on back to the main Obamacare thread for productive discussion.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

 

Your insurance premium is now a defacto tax.

 

Congrats!

[IGotWorms 4,062]

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

 

Your insurance premium is now a defacto tax.

 

Congrats!

 

What if I already had insurance, like most Americans?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

What if I already had insurance, like most Americans?

You chose to pay for insurance. You now don't have a choice, which means Obama is not pro-choice.

 

You can either pay your Obamacare Tax in the form of an insurance premium, or you can pay your Obamacare Tax in the firm of punitive penalties. That's the only choice you have. Either way, Obama is gonna get his tax outta ya.

[IGotWorms 4,062]

You chose to pay for insurance. You now don't have a choice, which means Obama is not pro-choice.

 

You can either pay your Obamacare Tax in the form of an insurance premium, or you can pay your Obamacare Tax in the firm of punitive penalties. That's the only choice you have. Either way, Obama is gonna get his tax outta ya.

 

But I already had health insurance and intended to keep it as long as I had access to it. So, like most Americans, this ruling has very little effect on me personally, while at the same time insuring that something like 40 million Americans will now have access to healthcare. How is that bad?

[hoytdwow 202]

Focking liberal conservative activist judges

[Recliner Pilot 61]

But I already had health insurance and intended to keep it as long as I had access to it. So, like most Americans, this ruling has very little effect on me personally, while at the same time insuring that something like 40 million Americans will now have access to healthcare. How is that bad?

Yesterday it was your choice to spend money on insurance. Today you don't have a choice. You MUST pay the Obama Tax in one of two forms.

 

 

That's no me talking, it's John Bader Roberts talking. Take it up with him.

 

I intend to pay my income taxes every year. That doesn't change the fact it's a tax. Great argument, Mr. Pretend Attorney.

[Bert 1,128]

But I already had health insurance and intended to keep it as long as I had access to it. So, like most Americans, this ruling has very little effect on me personally, while at the same time insuring that something like 40 million Americans will now have access to healthcare. How is that bad?

 

Do you really believe this tax bill and what it requires companies to do to comply is not going to raise your premiums?

[BudBro 183]

Understood. I'm just curious to see the part where the court proclaimed that it raises taxes on every American.

it was explained thoroughly in post #3.

[MDC 7,824]

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

 

Your insurance premium is now a defacto tax.

 

Congrats!

 

And that makes you feel better about failing at everything?

[JackARoot 2]

Another broken promise confirmed.

 

Another lie exposed.

 

Another flip-flop.

 

Gonna be harder for Obama to peddle his "I have not raised taxes on anyone making less than $250,000" yaksqueeze.

Man, that is some sweet ReclinerWhine

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Whining?

 

Nope. LMFAO that tha SC just confirmed Obama enacted the biggest tax increase in history. And rubes like you still believe he hasn't raised ANY taxes on ANYONE making less than $250,000.

[Savage Beast 1]

while at the same time insuring that something like 40 million Americans will now have access to healthcare. How is that bad?

 

Name one American(or illegal immigrant for that matter) who was denied healthcare before this bill? There aren't any and never have been any. Welfare recipients and the uninsured walking into a clinic or the emergency room aren't refused medical care. It's not called called the Hippocratic Oath for nothing after all.

 

Hippocratic Oath

 

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not", nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, be respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

[parrot 789]

it was explained thoroughly in post #3.

 

No, it wasn't even vaguely explained, much less thoroughly, but thanks for your input.

[IGotWorms 4,062]

Name one American(or illegal immigrant for that matter) who was denied healthcare before this bill? There aren't any and never have been any. Welfare recipients and the uninsured walking into a clinic or the emergency room aren't refused medical care. It's not called called the Hippocratic Oath for nothing after all.

 

Hippocratic Oath

 

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not", nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, be respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

 

Who paid for that?

[Mike Honcho 5,412]

Another broken promise confirmed.

 

Another lie exposed.

 

Another flip-flop.

 

Gonna be harder for Obama to peddle his "I have not raised taxes on anyone making less than $250,000" yaksqueeze.

 

It met enough of the criteria to be fast tracked. When it gets ruled unconstitutional the left will cry politics no matter when it happens. They should have shot it down before the states waste billions implementing the first part of this turd.

 

Hmmm. 0-2. Wrong on the whether it would be constitutional and who would be producing the tears.

[MDC 7,824]

Hmmm. 0-2. Wrong on the whether it would be constitutional and who would be producing the tears.

 

Most embarrassing RP fail since Harry Reid won re-election and he welched on his bet?

[Frank M 181]

Most embarrassing RP fail since Harry Reid won re-election and he welched on his bet?

 

Yeah, he wasn't quite as confident on this one, was he?

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Hmmm. 0-2. Wrong on the whether it would be constitutional and who would be producing the tears.

Link to me claiming this ruling was "politics"?

 

Oops! Another Honcho-sized fayle.

 

I'm too busy LMFAO at The Obama Universal Tax.

[Herbivore 1,193]

Link to me claiming this ruling was "politics"?

 

Oops! Another Honcho-sized fayle.

 

I'm too busy LMFAO at The Obama Universal Tax.

 

You fail every time you add an emoticon.

 

See how the emoticon there makes no sense.

[gocolts 300]

You fail every time you add an emoticon.

 

See how the emoticon there makes no sense.

Seems like it makes perfect sense, you put yourself on the bench after making a foolish statement.

[Savage Beast 1]

Who paid for that?

 

Medicade, supported by the tax payers of the USA.

 

Medicade is only getting bigger with Obama care. So the medicade monster is growing, not shrinking.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

How many times does Obama lie in this clip?

 

[penultimatestraw 473]

Medicade, supported by the tax payers of the USA.

 

Medicade is only getting bigger with Obama care. So the medicade monster is growing, not shrinking.

Incorrect. All the un/underinsured do not qualify for medicaid. Even those who do don't necessarily have it.

 

What do you do for a living? What percentage of the time do you work for free?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

See how the emoticon there makes no sense.

 

I have yet to see any post by you that made any sense.

 

HTH

[WhiteWonder 2,905]

wow, 3 Obama posts in one day. I won't count the romney obama one.

 

this guy is on a roll! must be done looking at Newbies profile page

[mayhem39 3]

Yesterday it was your choice to spend money on insurance. Today you don't have a choice. You MUST pay the Obama Tax in one of two forms.

That's no me talking, it's John Bader Roberts talking. Take it up with him.

 

I intend to pay my income taxes every year. That doesn't change the fact it's a tax. Great argument, Mr. Pretend Attorney.

 

Not true. Do you think Medicaid is going away? There will still be millions of people who will receive health care that wont have to pay for insurance or a tax.

[Phurfur 70]

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

- Ben Franklin

[NewbieJr 541]

wow, 3 Obama posts in one day. I won't count the romney obama one.

 

this guy is on a roll! must be done looking at Newbies profile page

A fella can only blow his load so many times. lol

[MDC 7,824]

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

- Ben Franklin

 

I remember saying this sort of thing over and over when the Patriot Act was passed and the president asserted his right to kidnap and torture even US citizens without charging them with a crime in the name of "safety."

 

Where were you?

[IGotWorms 4,062]

Where were you?

 

I think the Patriot Act was passed before Phurfur decided to quit his job, live off his wife's government pension while b!tching about government largesse, and devoting his life to posting asinine quotes on a lightly trafficked internet message board.

[NewbieJr 541]

I remember saying this sort of thing over and over when the Patriot Act was passed and the president asserted his right to kidnap and torture even US citizens without charging them with a crime in the name of "safety."

 

Where were you?

Murder, She Wrote marathon was on TV Land that day.