Is Benghazi Obama's Waterloo?

[jerryskids 6,813]

It'll be hard to prove he directly knew and ordered them to stand down, at least without a full investigation. It is clear however that the WH and State knew. If the inaction was contrary to Obama's policies, heads should be rolling. Instead they are hunkered down and hoping to ride it out through the election.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

It'll be hard to prove he directly knew and ordered them to stand down, at least without a full investigation. It is clear however that the WH and State knew. If the inaction was contrary to Obama's policies, heads should be rolling. Instead they are hunkered down and hoping to ride it out through the election.

 

 

Exactly.

 

There is no plausible explanation for what America has been told by the Administration. Obama didn't think the facts would come out as fast as they have.

 

I think he has underestimated how much he is disliked among the military, intel community, and career people at State.

 

As more of what really happened is exposed by those in the know, Obama will continue to try to throw more and more people under the bus. He will again underestimate the pushback from this strategy.

[Phurfur 70]

It'll be hard to prove he directly knew and ordered them to stand down, at least without a full investigation. It is clear however that the WH and State knew. If the inaction was contrary to Obama's policies, heads should be rolling. Instead they are hunkered down and hoping to ride it out through the election.

 

 

This went on for over 7 hours. If nobody told him the entire administration needs to be replaced anyway. It just confirms how inept they are.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I would link to other statements by people who have served in the inner circle of White House's and the intelligence community who say there is absolutely no way Obama wasn't watching the real time feed from Libya. And if he wasn't he is derelict in his duties.

 

I would link to those, but there is no point.

 

You bought the youtube story for weeks, Rube. Time to wake up to reality.

 

1. Link to believing the youtube story?

 

2. I read your link, so you read mine.

 

Can Conservatives Swiftboat Obama over Benghazi?

 

This whole story just really drives home the utter failure of the media as a whole more than anything. Now there are two completely distinct sets of media saying completely distinct things, and people believe what they want to believe.

 

I find the part that "Obama's foreign policy numbers have gone up since mid October" interesting. It shows what worms said... this story has little traction... and the Romney campaign seems to know it, as they have dropped it.

We will probably never know what truly happened.

[MDC 7,461]

1. Link to believing the youtube story?

 

2. I read your link, so you read mine.

 

Can Conservatives Swiftboat Obama over Benghazi?

 

This whole story just really drives home the utter failure of the media as a whole more than anything. Now there are two completely distinct sets of media saying completely distinct things, and people believe what they want to believe.

 

I find the part that "Obama's foreign policy numbers have gone up since mid October" interesting. It shows what worms said... this story has little traction... and the Romney campaign seems to know it, as they have dropped it.

We will probably never know what truly happened.

 

The last guy presides over the worst terrorist attack in history and a botched war based on lies and the GOP gave Bush the world's biggest mulligan.

 

4 Americans get killed overseas on the anniversary of Bush's biggest failure and the GOP acts like it's Watergate x10.

 

I'm really embarrassed by my party sometimes.

[Reality 3,121]

The last guy presides over the worst terrorist attack in history and a botched war based on lies and the GOP gave Bush the world's biggest mulligan.

 

4 Americans get killed overseas on the anniversary of Bush's biggest failure and the GOP acts like it's Watergate x10.

 

I'm really embarrassed by my party sometimes.

 

To steal a line from your "actual" party.. It's the cover up, stupid.

[Vikings4ever 550]

This whole story just really drives home the utter failure of the media as a whole more than anything. Now there are two completely distinct sets of media saying completely distinct things, and people believe what they want to believe.

It's not just the media.

 

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. An ambassador (and other Americans) were killed in a terrorist attack. The evidence says those deaths may have been prevented by sending in the military. Every single American should be demanding that heads roll, regardless of if it was Obama himself who made the decision, or someone else in the chain of command. Although Obama obviously tried to bury the issue by blaming the attack on the anti-Islam video.

 

But 35-40% of people simply don't care, just because it's their guy in office.

[TheBlade 3]

It's not just the media.

 

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. An ambassador (and other Americans) were killed in a terrorist attack. The evidence says those deaths may have been prevented by sending in the military. Every single American should be demanding that heads roll, regardless of if it was Obama himself who made the decision, or someone else in the chain of command. Although Obama obviously tried to bury the issue by blaming the attack on the anti-Islam video.

 

But 35-40% of people simply don't care, just because it's their guy in office.

 

Bingo!!!

[drobeski 3,061]

It's not just the media.

 

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. An ambassador (and other Americans) were killed in a terrorist attack. The evidence says those deaths may have been prevented by sending in the militarily. Every single American should be demanding that heads roll, regardless of if it was Obama himself who made the decision, or someone else in the chain of command. Although Obama obviously tried to bury the issue by blaming the attack on the anti-Islam video.

 

But 35-40% of people simply don't care, just because it's their guy in office.

The more accurate # is 47%

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Imagine that. FTDC whining about Bush to try to cover for his Hero.

[TheBlade 3]

The last guy presides over the worst terrorist attack in history and a botched war based on lies and the GOP gave Bush the world's biggest mulligan.

 

4 Americans get killed overseas on the anniversary of Bush's biggest failure and the GOP acts like it's Watergate x10.

 

I'm really embarrassed by my party sometimes.

 

The big difference is, there was never any lies or attempts to hide the administration's failings for 9-11. Mistakes were made, but appropriate political steps were taken to identify and address those shortcomings. Some may not agree with those steps, but the point is action was taken. All we've had in the current incident is lies and a "if we ignore this, we won't have to deal with it before the election, or ever" mentality. Huge difference. As KSB pointed out earlier, people can get past incompetence to a degree, but they don't like being lied or felt like they were played for stupid with a cover-up.

 

As for the wars, there were a bunch of people on both sides of the fence who believed there were WMDs. I still think there were, but we just did a p!ss poor job of finding them. Saddam had the shell game, move them around gig down to a science.

[Cruzer 1,995]

The last guy presides over the worst terrorist attack in history and a botched war based on lies and the GOP gave Bush the world's biggest mulligan.

 

4 Americans get killed overseas on the anniversary of Bush's biggest failure and the GOP acts like it's Watergate x10.

 

I'm really embarrassed by my party sometimes.

I think part of Bush's mulligan came as a result of timing. The 9/11 attacks (which billy also shares his mulligan) occurred at the beginning of his first term. Right or wrong people desensitized a bit over the course of 4 years and emotions calmed. This Benghazi thing is new, it's fresh, and it has fallen at the doorstep of election time. This paticular tragedy also unfoled during real time - that carries a lot of punch with people's emotions. Watergate x 10? I don't know about that. But if it is then Watergate 8 & 9 were waterboarding and Plamegate..... When the left and their controled media outlets refuse to go after and persue this story with the same vigor as they did those two it does raise suspicions and maked it look political - whether it is or not.

 

 

Tell you another thing, somebody in the Obama camp had better figure out a way to deal with Charles Woods. He is angry, he is upset, and he is getting his message out all over the airways.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

 

Tell you another thing, somebody in the Obama camp had better figure out a way to deal with Charles Woods. He is angry, he is upset, and he is getting his message out all over the airways.

 

Mebbe they can throw him in jail until after the election like they did the guy who made that youtube video.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

It's not just the media.

 

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. An ambassador (and other Americans) were killed in a terrorist attack. The evidence says those deaths may have been prevented by sending in the military. Every single American should be demanding that heads roll, regardless of if it was Obama himself who made the decision, or someone else in the chain of command. Although Obama obviously tried to bury the issue by blaming the attack on the anti-Islam video.

 

But 35-40% of people simply don't care, just because it's their guy in office.

 

I agree. If that happened, heads should roll.

 

But evidence? I have seen exactly zero. I'm not burying with my head in the sand because of my political affiliation... if there is evidence, where is it? All I see are theories coming from right leaning media.

[drobeski 3,061]

I agree. If that happened, heads should roll.

 

But evidence? I have seen exactly zero. I'm not burying with my head in the sand because of my political affillation... if there is evidence, where is it? All I see are theories coming from right leaning media.

4 dead americans one an ambassador, who asked for and didnt receive help. A fabricated video story, its director arrested and held indefinitely over a probation violation.

The list goes on, what kind of evidence are you missing here ?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

4 dead americans one an ambassador, who asked for and didnt receive help. A fabricated video story, its director arrested and held indefinitely over a probation violation.

The list goes on, what kind of evidence are you missing here ?

 

The evidence that this "unfolded in real time" and that there was anything Obama could have, and failed to, do.

 

That evidence.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The evidence that this "unfolded in real time" and that there was anything Obama could have, and failed to, do.

 

That evidence.

Obalma, Clinton, Panetta et al are stonwalling the release of any info until after the election

 

But I'm sure it all points to a YouTube video.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Obalma, Clinton, Panetta et al are stonwalling the release of any info until after the election

 

But I'm sure it all points to a YouTube video.

 

So as usual, you guys are tarring and feathering the President for something that may or may not have happened, based on evidence that may or may not exist, based on the assumption that he is witholding said evidence for political gain.

 

Gotcha. So basically this is just another one of your idiotic witchunts. No wonder this is the only place on the internet that still seems to give a fock about this story.

 

Maybe if Donald Trump offered a bounty, someone could produce the evidence for you.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

People are leaking info left and right to get the truth out. Just because your Hero is refusing to give info to the Senate and House Intel committees doesn't mean the facts coming out are false

 

You should read something besides the Huffington Post and then come back to this thread.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

People are leaking info left and right to get the truth out. Just because your Hero is refusing to give info to the Senate and House Intel committees doesn't mean the facts coming out are false

 

You should read something besides the Huffington Post and then come back to this thread.

 

I'll ask again, for at least the fourth time in 24 hours...

 

WHAT FOCKING FACTS? SHOW ME SOME MOTHERFOCKING FACTS!

 

If you can, I'll be right behind you calling for Obama's impeachment and disgrace.

 

If you can't, then you are, again, a pathetic troll.

 

If the Senate and the House want information, all they have to do is cut a focking subpoena. Boom, done. The fact that there hasn't even been one rumble of doing so leads me to believe that, you are, again, full of sh!t.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Haha.

You keep believing they didn't watch it real time.

 

You keep believing they didn't ask for help.

 

You keep believing that help was not denied.

 

Chant after me: It was an Evil YouTube video. It was an Evil YouTube video..........

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Haha.

You keep believing they didn't watch it real time.

 

You keep believing they didn't ask for help.

 

You keep believing that help was not denied.

 

Chant after me: It was an Evil YouTube video. It was an Evil YouTube video..........

 

Never said sh!t about a youtube video.

 

But see, here's the thing. I like to rely on a little thing called "common sense." Like, if something makes absolutely no focking sense, it probably didn't happen.

 

So you're expecting me to believe that Obama sat back, kicked up his heesl, and watched some Americans get killed live, all the while, fielding phone calls begging for help, and denying them.

 

So I ask myself... what rational sense does that make? Why would Obama, or anyone, do that? Its evil. And more to the point, its focking stupid. You are the ones who always say Obama does everything for political expediency, and you expect me to believe that he indulged himself in some evil, America hating, Muslim loving killing watching a month before the election?

 

It just don't pass the smell test. FWIW, I said the same thing to the equally idiotic notion that 9/11 was planned and executed by the Bush administration.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I don't expect YOU to believe anything that would paint Obama in a bad light.

 

Hth

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I don't expect YOU to believe anything that would paint Obama in a bad light.

 

Hth

 

I hated George W. Bush like poison. But I didn't believe he planned 9/11. Why? Because that is a stupid focking wackjob thing to believe, and it made no focking sense.

 

The same would apply to you here if you had any internal consistency whatsoever. But that would require more than 15 brain cells.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I hated George W. Bush like poison. But I didn't believe he planned 9/11. Why? Because that is a stupid focking wackjob thing to believe, and it made no focking sense.

 

The same would apply to you here if you had any internal consistency whatsoever. But that would require more than 15 brain cells.

Nice straw man.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Nice straw man.

 

Just trying to demonstrate how the whole "deductive reasoning/thinking for yourself" thing works for ya. Of course, it is probably a lot easier to just make sh!t up, or better yet, let Fox do it for you.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Yep.

 

This whole Libya thing is all "made up" by Fox.

[jerryskids 6,813]

It'll be hard to prove he directly knew and ordered them to stand down, at least without a full investigation. It is clear however that the WH and State knew. If the inaction was contrary to Obama's policies, heads should be rolling. Instead they are hunkered down and hoping to ride it out through the election.

 

 

I'll ask again, for at least the fourth time in 24 hours...

 

WHAT FOCKING FACTS? SHOW ME SOME MOTHERFOCKING FACTS!

 

If you can, I'll be right behind you calling for Obama's impeachment and disgrace.

 

If you can't, then you are, again, a pathetic troll.

 

If the Senate and the House want information, all they have to do is cut a focking subpoena. Boom, done. The fact that there hasn't even been one rumble of doing so leads me to believe that, you are, again, full of sh!t.

My quote above is in a nutshell what we know and don't know. HTH.

[Phurfur 70]

 

So you're expecting me to believe that Obama sat back, kicked up his heesl, and watched some Americans get killed live, all the while, fielding phone calls begging for help, and denying them.

 

What do you think he was doing during the 7 hours the murders were being feed live to the WH? What makes sense to you?

[Phurfur 70]

You gotta love those lefties. MK-Ultra at its best!

 

John 20:25

The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.

[MDC 7,461]

The worst part was when they were showing Obummer live footage of Americans being murdered in real time and asking him "Sir, should we save them???" and Obummer just said "No ... Let them die!!!! Muaaaahahahaha!"

[KSB2424 3,148]

Never said sh!t about a youtube video.

 

But see, here's the thing. I like to rely on a little thing called "common sense." Like, if something makes absolutely no focking sense, it probably didn't happen.

 

So you're expecting me to believe that Obama sat back, kicked up his heesl, and watched some Americans get killed live, all the while, fielding phone calls begging for help, and denying them.

 

So I ask myself... what rational sense does that make? Why would Obama, or anyone, do that? Its evil. And more to the point, its focking stupid. You are the ones who always say Obama does everything for political expediency, and you expect me to believe that he indulged himself in some evil, America hating, Muslim loving killing watching a month before the election?

 

It just don't pass the smell test. FWIW, I said the same thing to the equally idiotic notion that 9/11 was planned and executed by the Bush administration.

My take?

 

All the questions NOT being answered is drawing the weird suspicions. First off the whole things smelled fishy with this movie excuse. I remember thinking, "Really? That doesn't make sense." (maybe we can dig up the original Lybia thread).

 

Then reports are coming out that the White House knew what was going on almost real time. That the security guys were asking for help.

 

But we hear no answers. Silence. Or even worse dancing around the questions. That's why alot of people are doing this and then this which finally leads to this

 

I don't think anyone really thinks our President was sitting back kicking his heels up laughing while Americans were being sodomized and killed.

 

I do think that for whatever reason, we chose not to act. All most of us want to know is....Why didn't we? I surely know the father of that SEAL would like to know.

[Phurfur 70]

The worst part was when they were showing Obummer live footage of Americans being murdered in real time and asking him "Sir, should we save them???" and Obummer just said "No ... Let them die!!!! Muaaaahahahaha!"

 

What do you think he was doing during the 7 hours the murders were being feed live to the WH? What makes sense to you?

[MDC 7,461]

What do you think he was doing during the 7 hours the murders were being feed live to the WH? What makes sense to you?

 

I just told you. He was cackling maniacally while denying any help, because he hates America and loves seeing our citizens die.

 

It's the only thing that makes sense.

[Phurfur 70]

I just told you. He was cackling maniacally while denying any help, because he hates America and loves seeing our citizens die.

 

It's the only thing that makes sense.

 

Talk about FULL TILT!

[nikki2200 4]

What do you think he was doing during the 7 hours the murders were being feed live to the WH? What makes sense to you?

 

What evidence is there that anyone in the White House was watching these live feeds? Everything I've read, even the Fox News stuff, says they could have been viewed by the White House. Meaning they could have opened up the feeds and watched if they wanted to... like the technology exists. But who says they actually were watching them? And why?

 

I have to admit this whole thing is really really confusing. The video cover up was dumb and didn't make a whole lot of sense. But what doesn't make even more sense, was why would Obama specifically refuse to send help to the people? For what purpose would that decision be made? Especially right before an election....

 

Or maybe it doesn't make sense because we as the public do not know every intimate detail of what went down that night and why certain military decisions were made and by whom.

[jerryskids 6,813]

What evidence is there that anyone in the White House was watching these live feeds? Everything I've read, even the Fox News stuff, says they could have been viewed by the White House. Meaning they could have opened up the feeds and watched if they wanted to... like the technology exists. But who says they actually were watching them? And why?

 

I have to admit this whole thing is really really confusing. The video cover up was dumb and didn't make a whole lot of sense. But what doesn't make even more sense, was why would Obama specifically refuse to send help to the people? For what purpose would that decision be made? Especially right before an election....

 

This is why I said that at a minimum, there is a significant process problem if our people could be attacked for 7 hours and either nobody saw it or nobody had the authority to do something about it.

 

Or maybe it doesn't make sense because we as the public do not know every intimate detail of what went down that night and why certain military decisions were made and by whom.

 

Oh I agree. I often felt that way when Bush was persecuted. I'm sure it was different though.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

You lefty sheep are a funny breed.

 

It was a political calculation that has blown up in Obama's face.

[MDC 7,461]

Talk about FULL TILT!

 

What does your favorite tweener clothing line have to do with it, old man Winters?

[DankNuggs 305]

1. Link to believing the youtube story?

 

2. I read your link, so you read mine.

 

Can Conservatives Swiftboat Obama over Benghazi?

 

This whole story just really drives home the utter failure of the media as a whole more than anything. Now there are two completely distinct sets of media saying completely distinct things, and people believe what they want to believe.

 

I find the part that "Obama's foreign policy numbers have gone up since mid October" interesting. It shows what worms said... this story has little traction... and the Romney campaign seems to know it, as they have dropped it.

We will probably never know what truly happened.

How did the media fail beyond not actually investigating a weeks worth of claims by the state department? This was pure propaganda out of the WH. This is something the Chinese would do to control the masses